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Climate Change proponents emails and files hacked - Helen Reyes - 09-12-2009 Yes, it's quite the spectacle. The Danish stuff mentions IMF by name too. The Monck and Jones are describing it as an end-run around the UN to have carbon taxes paid directly to the banksters. I think their NWO fears are well founded, with Rompuy and the rest calling this the first step in global governance. Jan Wrote:However, the "Danish text" is genuine documented policy, albeit leaked presumably for political purposes. Actually, Monckton popularized all the draft versions we know. The first one was a PDF I think Willie Soon found on an obscure IPCC UN website, masquerading as a note from the secretary general, and he sent it to Monckton who sent it on to Alex Jones et al. Monckton is the only one to pry the new draft loose at COP15 as well. The Danish initiative is the intergovernmental "secret annex" to salvage face and "get something done" at Copenhagen despite the debacle. Speaking of spectacles, did anyone happen to catch any of the opening ceremony? It was odious. Sort of a cross between a Satanic Black Mass and infotainment better left unwatched at the midnight hour. Just so we get this in the right perspective, and correct me if I mistate it, climategate casts apsersions on one of the 2 centers supplying all the science for IPCC. The other being NOAA, which is also implicated in falsifying data. COP15 is either about instituting a UN overgovernment to conduct tax collection, enforcement and as the first draft Monckton leaked stated, controlling all foreign trade of every member state in order to implement the carbon dioxide reductions undertaken, or it is about a consortium of US-controlled fake banks, i.e., World Bank and IMF, doing the same. Did I miss something? Climate Change proponents emails and files hacked - Peter Lemkin - 09-12-2009 Read the book Climate Cover-Up and it will explain who is behind the hacking and today's 'Denmark Document'.... "Canadian environmental activists Hoggan and Littlemore pull no punches in this spirited indictment of global warming deniers. Their well-sourced research spotlights premeditated prevarications about the threat of greenhouse gas emissions by the oil and coal industry, in league with junk scientists, compliant conservative politicians and unsavory public relations practitioners. Persistent obfuscation of science by these anti-environment players is further abetted, say the authors, by a manipulated media that, in a misguided effort toward journalistic balance, pairs scientific certainty about an encroaching climate crisis with quotations from people who make a living denying it. Readers predisposed to believe the worst about the oil, coal and electric industries will find their fears buttressed by the book's detailed overview of an orchestrated climate coverup by Astroturf (fake grassroots) organizations, right-wing think tank echo chambers, the tens of millions of industry dollars poured into primarily Republican campaign coffers and the PR profession's Orwellian use of language. But global warming skeptics might also be swayed by the detailed dissection of an ongoing campaign to convince the public that climate change is still unproven." ...its the game the tobacco industry invented all over again... Climate Change proponents emails and files hacked - Helen Reyes - 10-12-2009 Peter Lemkin Wrote:Read the book Climate Cover-Up and it will explain who is behind the hacking and today's 'Denmark Document'.... Except the tobacco lobby didn't fund the anti-smoking movements. Look, if Big Oil is behind the hacking and leaking of the Danish paper, it means they are funding and propagating both sides of the issue, which is possible, but I doubt it. And I automatically distrust any author who uses the term astroturf with a straight face to refer to fake grass-roots, Pelosi the extreme right-wing republican in the extreme right-wing republican Obama camp ruined any charm astroturf once held by, again, implying that opponents to the Obama health care package were paid mobs. The health care plan that ended up being: get private health insurance or we'll fine you AND put you in jail. See a pattern here? Pretend to represent the people, generate momentum and societal peer pressure, deliver what your financial ologiarchs expect. It's called fascism. Climate Change proponents emails and files hacked - Peter Lemkin - 10-12-2009 Helen Reyes Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Read the book Climate Cover-Up and it will explain who is behind the hacking and today's 'Denmark Document'.... The tobacco industry invented [or perfected] the promotion [along with PR firms] of projecting doubt, when there was NONE in the scientific community; further in leading Americans to believe that science was just one of many voices on a subject. There was NO debate [doubt] that cigarettes caused cancer. There was [is] NO doubt that climate change now is anthropogenic! I could go on about GM foods, and many other things..... That the corporate fascist control network works [in part] 'both' sides is as they do in funding both 'sides' of the political [non] spectrum in the USA - to have total control. Obama, the USG, Corporate and Financial Powers, Deep Political Powers do NOT want any meaningful changes on climate change [and the profits they make producing it] etc. In my field [and as documented in the book mentioned [astroturf not withstanding!], one has to search for years to find more than two Environmental Scientists that are not owned by the coal, oil, corporate, financial, deep-political, military interests to find ANY who think there is any doubt about the dangers and anthropogenic cause of current global climate changes [and other environmental horrors!]. Of course, they want to control the debate, the spin and the outcome.......was it ever otherwise?...don't be fooled! :ciao: Climate Change proponents emails and files hacked - Helen Reyes - 10-12-2009 Thank you Peter. As you know, science isn't driven by consensus. I happen to find the arguments and data of people who are working in various scientific fields and who oppose the theory of man-made global warming much more compelling than any of the arguments or data I've seen from the proponents. There might be a consensus within a narrowly-defined new field called Climate Science, but there is a heterogenaity of views among scientists in a variety of fields that study the same things--astrophysics, meteorology, thermodynamics/physics etc. Just so we're on the same page, so to speak, I do expect rapid climate changes within our lifetime, I just don't think CO2 will have much to do with them. I think CO2 as a generator of global warming is a sort of canard so the vested interests can continue with other types of real pollution that is probably causing the dead zones in the oceans, the North Pacific Garbage Continent, species extinctions in some cases (although the majority of that has to do with land use, as I understand it, not point sources of pollutants). Astroturf was clever but Pelosi ruined it for me Climate Change proponents emails and files hacked - David Guyatt - 10-12-2009 Helen Reyes Wrote:Look, if Big Oil is behind the hacking and leaking of the Danish paper, it means they are funding and propagating both sides of the issue, which is possible, but I doubt it. On the other hand it is a well tried technique of certain powerful and influential groups to do just that. By claiming both sides of the argument they are able to limit the boundaries and, at the same time, progress their agenda forward. This technique is discussed in some detail by Prof. Antony Sutton in his four slim volumes on the Order of the Skull and Bones. The US Bones (many an oil man there btw) has a sister Order in the UK, namely the Oxford "Group" of Rhodes and Milner - and current inheritors. The UK Group absolutely dominated global mining and precious metals during the last century and I am fairly sure it still does. This to me seems a perfect fit for the oil and gas industry. After all the nexus we have seen of the US-UK-Vatican right wing network propagating this topic is, to put it loosely, the controlling elite of the ConPublican (or should it be PubliConservative?) political parties. Climate Change proponents emails and files hacked - David Guyatt - 01-02-2010 It's what many of us suspected at the outset; an intelligence agency is thought to have been responsible for the hacking of the emails. I'm curious why Sir David King beievesit was a "foreign" agency rather than a home grown one. But eaving that aside I think he may well have hit the nail on the head when he places the blame on Americans being responsible for financing the hacking. It's right up their street to upload to a Russian server and leave those on the right to claim it was a Russian operation... http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/climate-emails-hacked-by-spies-1885147.html Quote:'Climate emails hacked by spies' Climate Change proponents emails and files hacked - David Guyatt - 17-02-2010 http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/15/global-warming-insignificant-years-admits-uks-climate-scientist/ Quote:Global Warming in Last 15 Years Insignificant, U.K.'s Top Climate Scientist Admits |