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The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Charles Drago - 17-10-2008
Resolved: The sponsors of the JFK assassination never intended to permit a post-Dallas retaliatory invasion of Cuba; rather, they planted false evidence to support a plausible connection between Lee Harvey Oswald and Fidel Castro's government solely in order to promote fears of an American-Soviet nuclear exchange should an honest investigation of the muder be conducted.
Resolved: The capture of a living, talking LHO -- as opposed to the display of a shot-while-trying-to-escape assassin's corpse or the presentation of "evidence" for LHO's successful flight to Cuba -- was insufficient to derail plans for a Cuban invasion, which in fact never existed except as the central element of the cover-up and in the fevered imaginations of certain anti-Castro, Right Wing, military, and intel false sponsors/facilitators.
Resolved: Cuba was in 1963 -- and remains today -- most valuable to the sponsors of JFK's murder as a hemispheric Communist bogeyman.
Have at it.
The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Paul Rigby - 18-10-2008
Charles Drago Wrote:Resolved: Cuba was in 1963 -- and remains today -- most valuable to the sponsors of JFK's murder as a hemispheric Communist bogeyman.
Have at it.
All change - Cuba has oil!
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/oil-discovery-could-put-cuba/story.aspx?guid=%7BCEFFF0B7-7F17-4005-B1D9-1F9A958950F7%7D&dist=msr_1
Now we really will see some serious thought given to invasion.
Paul
The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Magda Hassan - 18-10-2008
Poor bastards. Iraq wouldn't be on the pointy end of US Freedom and Democracy' if they just grew dates.
The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Gil Jesus - 19-10-2008
Bravo Charles, and how right you are.
Johnson knew as early as November 24th, from a CIA report, that neither Castro nor Khrushchev was involved in the murder. Yet he implied the exact OPPOSITE to the would-be members of the commission in order to get them to serve together.
"The Second Invasion of Cuba" or the "Second Bay of Pigs" was a codename used for the assassination of President Kennedy. In the first "Bay of Pigs Invasion", Castro was supposed to die. In the second, the target was JFK.
You hit the proverbial nail on the head.
The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Paul Rigby - 20-10-2008
Gil Jesus Wrote:In the first "Bay of Pigs Invasion", Castro was supposed to die.
Gil,
I'd be obliged if you could expand on the proposition. I can't remember seeing a sustained argument for it, and would be intrigued to read one.
Paul
The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Gil Jesus - 22-10-2008
Prior to the invasion of Cuba, Castro was supposed to be murdered by the introduction of a poisoned pill into his drink. I read that the guy who was supposed to drop it in the drink got cold feet.
IMO, the envelopes that Judith Campbell carried back and forth between the President and Sam Giancana in the summer and fall of 1961 were questions and their responses in regard to the CIA/Mafia plot to kill Castro. I believe that the President found out about the plot from Campbell, who was the girlfriend of Giancana, a man who had first-hand knowledge of the plot. I also believe that it was the information that Sam Giancana provided that convinced Kennedy that he had been deceived and resulted in the firings of Dulles & Cabell and the re-assignment of Bissell.
Giancana, for his part, may have believed that by helping the President, he was earning a "get out of jail free" card, but such was not the case. The Kennedys were not about working with Organized Crime, they were about destroying it. Giancana's frustration that the Kennedys wouldn't cut him some slack was evident in the several times he appeared before a TV camera and complained about them.
If the CIA was arranging assassination attempts on foreign leaders, without the President's knowledge or approval, then Giancana was the only man outside the government who knew that for certain.
Again, this scenario is only my opinion based on what I've read on the subject, but it's not too difficult to understand why it was that Roselli and Giancana couldn't be allowed to tell their stories to the HSCA.
The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Charles Drago - 22-10-2008
Gil, et al,
I suggest that the communications between JFK and Momo -- if in fact the president ever really participated in the correspondence -- descend to the deepest of deep political levels.
Through our studies we have learned that cover story callouses are multi-layered and often boast colorful, dramatic contours intentionally created to titillate and otherwise capture the imaginations of intended observers.
Meanwhile, the wound beneath festers.
I repeat: These are mini-dramas, replete with exotic characters and plots, that seem to hyptonize us over generations.
Is it not just as likely that forces opposed to a JFK/Khrushchev-led effort to end the Cold War were waging a campaign to support the belief that the president was trying to double-cross his Soviet partner?
If so, would not a written record of discussions between a powerful LCN leader and "JFK" invovling plans to kill Castro even as the president simultaneously was attempting to bring hostilities to an end serve the dual purposes of scuttling the peace initiative AND setting up "the mob" as a false sponsor in the assassination that, should these efforts fail and peace loom, become a necessity?
Or perhaps JFK was playing a dangerous double game -- but not of the sort we're led to believe he played by maintaining the so-called two-track approach to Cuba.
In order to insulate his peace efforts, JFK may have been encouraging his enemies -- political, military, and overtly criminal -- to believe that he was going to kill Castro.
And he had to make it look very, very good.
The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Dawn Meredith - 23-10-2008
Charles Drago Wrote:Gil, et al,
I suggest that the communications between JFK and Momo -- if in fact the president ever really participated in the correspondence -- descend to the deepest of deep political levels.
Through our studies we have learned that cover story callouses are multi-layered and often boast colorful, dramatic contours intentionally created to titillate and otherwise capture the imaginations of intended observers.
Meanwhile, the wound beneath festers.
I repeat: These are mini-dramas, replete with exotic characters and plots, that seem to hyptonize us over generations.
Is it not just as likely that forces opposed to a JFK/Khrushchev-led effort to end the Cold War were waging a campaign to support the belief that the president was trying to double-cross his Soviet partner?
If so, would not a written record of discussions between a powerful LCN leader and "JFK" invovling plans to kill Castro even as the president simultaneously was attempting to bring hostilities to an end serve the dual purposes of scuttling the peace initiative AND setting up "the mob" as a false sponsor in the assassination that, should these efforts fail and peace loom, become a necessity?
Or perhaps JFK was playing a dangerous double game -- but not of the sort we're led to believe he played by maintaining the so-called two-track approach to Cuba.
In order to insulate his peace efforts, JFK may have been encouraging his enemies -- political, military, and overtly criminal -- to believe that he was going to kill Castro.
And he had to make it look very, very good.
CD:
Brilliant, as always. This explains why so many good researchers find "evidence" that JFK and RFK were involved in any plots against Castro. But when the back -channeling was learned and JFK's true intent became known this sealed the deal.
And to this day Casto is both alive and "the enemy", knowing full well what powers killed JFK, and why. He spelled it out in a long speech 11/23/63, entitled: "Concerning the Facts and Consequences of the Tragic Death of President John F. Kennedy". This speech first came to my attention in 1974, a book called The Kennedy Conspiracy by Paris Flammonde. It is reprinted in full in Dr. Marty Schotz' History Will Not Absolve Us".
Dawn
The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Peter Lemkin - 24-10-2008
Much merit to all of the above. I think you are on the right track with this line of thought, Charles. Those who constructed the script for the play we witnessed (and witness still) were not stupid, and knew how to put many devilish twists and turns into the dramatic piece to decieve the general audience and even some of the players.
The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Charles Drago - 24-10-2008
I've worked on a local (for me) Rhode Island angle to the "Hit The Beard" sweepstakes. A major setback occurred recently when my extremely highly placed source -- one who was intimately involved in these in-state events -- passed on.
In brief: There is good reason to believe that, pre-JFK assassination, Johnny Rosselli met with Raymond L.S. Patriarca, LCN boss in New England and number one go-to guy for hitters for the most sensitive of contracts, in order to recruit two of the latter's best buttons for the Castro whack-a-thon.
I'm referencing a two-man partnership which included a time-motion savant and a world-class hitter -- "The Planner and the Pro," as I've labeled them in a copyright-protected literary project.
The story I have, which is less then satisfactorily sourced for now (and I am nothing if not an obsessive sourcier, if M. Pepin will forgive the pun), is that Patriarca declined because he knew the game was rigged to fail.
The forces that were burning assassination teams hunting Castro benefited from Castro's survival in power.
These forces killed JFK.