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Process against KSM, what to expect - Carsten Wiethoff - 03-02-2010
From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35168785/ns/us_news-security:
"Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is going to meet justice and he's going to meet his maker," said President Barack Obama's press secretary, Robert Gibbs. "He will be brought to justice and he's likely to be executed for the heinous crimes that he committed in killing and masterminding the killing of 3,000 Americans. That you can be sure of."
Sounds exactly like it's going to be a fair trial.
But, of course, if the confession is achieved by the most relentless waterboarding, then the verdict can be spoken by the press secretary ahead of the trial as well.
Just as a reminder for our american friends:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Process against KSM, what to expect - Jan Klimkowski - 03-02-2010
Carsten - indeed.
It's hard to imagine a more blatant case of prejudicing a defendant's right to a fair trial.
Oh silly me, I forgot that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was "waterboarded" an alleged 183 times, and his young (6 years old and 8 years old) children were subjected to abusive interrogation, before KSM "confessed".....
Process against KSM, what to expect - David Guyatt - 03-02-2010
Agreed. And thanks for posting this legal abomination Carsten.
I thought such blatant prejudice went out of vogue with Bush.
Shows how wrong one can be when it comes to the political blame game.
Process against KSM, what to expect - Dawn Meredith - 05-02-2010
And now we know that he will not be tried in civilian courts. In fact none of the detainees will be. I heard just a snippet of a news story in the car yesterday and the Dems have banded together with the Republicans to ensure that these trials not take place in our civilian legal system. The reason is obvious to me: such trials would be monitered by media and the public and the appaling lack of evidence would be made public, not to mention "confessions" obtained by torture ar illegal per se in our legal system. But I guess all that is changing. I don't know military law and what standards are applied. But I have an attorney friend who used to be a military prosecutor so I can ask her.
This country has become a place of total shame.
Dawn
Process against KSM, what to expect - Peter Lemkin - 05-02-2010
Dawn Meredith Wrote:This country has become a place of total shame.
Dawn
You can say that again, and for me, as well! I had some areas of American political/judicial/congressional/corporate/oligarchy/banking/finance/military/media/propaganda/mythology life that I felt 'uncomfortable' with as a child and early teen; today I have to search for things other than the beauty of the land, jeans, jazz, Casablanca....and a few good people to find things that don't make me feel totally ashamed of my Nation. Time to turn it around!
They hate us for our 'freedoms', 'justice' and especially the 'presumption of innocence until proven guilty'...yeah, right!
Process against KSM, what to expect - Ed Jewett - 05-02-2010
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:... the verdict can be spoken by the press secretary ahead of the trial as well....
A meme in time saves nine.
The propagandists are heavily occupied and needed in other arenas at this time, so scads of manpower, time, and energy will be saved in the interim... but they will bring it out again when and if needed. It's part of the Just-in-Time approach used in herd management of sheep.
The basic herding commands: come to me (or come bye), away to me, lie down, and that'll do. Come to me/ come bye means for your dog to go clockwise around the herd. Away to me means for your dog to go counterclockwise around the herd.