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Dubai seeks '11 Europeans' for Hamas killing - Peter Presland - 22-02-2010 Don't think this has been mentioned here before. Andrew Gilligan in The Telegraph Quote: The Foreign Office denied claims that it had been tipped off about the use of British passports before the hit, insisting: “We only received details of the British passports a few hours before the [February 15] press conference held by the police in Dubai.”Note the usual wriggle-room - as 'details' of the British passports - slippery duplicitous sods! The earliest mention I saw of Irish passports was 5th February on the "Irish4palestine" site so it was certainly public knowledge by then. Its as plain as could be though that the UK government - as usual - is in thrall to Israel. Faux-outrage and a ridiculous, "pouting, foot-stamping" (aka Magda) Pinicchio-puppet Milliband notwithstanding. Dubai seeks '11 Europeans' for Hamas killing - Peter Presland - 22-02-2010 I really am lost for words about the following from The Jerusalem Post. Unbelievable! :puke: They just have to find outlets for all that pent up victim outrage I suppose. Quote:The New York-based American Jewish Committee blasted the BBC on Sunday for airing an accusation that Jews around the world assist in supposed Mossad assassinations. Dubai seeks '11 Europeans' for Hamas killing - David Guyatt - 22-02-2010 It is an extremely odd statement, and one aided at further de-balling the Beeb, I suspect. To my knowledge Thomas's book Gideon's Spies has been rubbished before this. I've read it and found it highly informative and credible. And he is regarded as a highly credible researcher and writer and his book on Dr. Ewen Cameron, "A Journey Into Madness", is required reading for anyone who has an interest in mind control. I cannot imagine there is a shred of doubt about his claims about the extensive network of Jewish helpers around the world who are called upon to aid particular Mossad projects. One must hope that the BBC shrug this off and that the UK government do not feel the need to rush to the aid of the AJC under the suspect rubric of "fair and balanced reporting". If a report is factually accurate, fairness and balance are irrelevant. That is, unless we are going to reach the point where facts no longer matter, and are to be replaced by some perverse philosophy. If the APC have a problem with Thomas then sue him. I'd love to see that. But mightily do I doubt they ever will be so stupid. Dubai seeks '11 Europeans' for Hamas killing - Austin Kelley - 22-02-2010 David Guyatt Wrote:It is an extremely odd statement, and one aided at further de-balling the Beeb, I suspect. I read Gideon's Spies several years ago and also found it useful. I've also read A Journey Into Madness and Enslaved, as well as various articles on the Internet. I don't have a particular problem with the content I recall reading. That said, I have a lingering concern about his ties to spooky circles and how he might have been able to do things that covert agencies wouldn't like, while simultaneously enjoying close ties to operatives. Here's an excerpt from his biography, as given on his web page: [Emphasis added] Quote:In 1933 in Wales, Gordon Thomas was born in a cemetery keeper’s cottage where his grandmother lived. He wrote and had his first story published at nine years old in a Boys Own Paper competition on why he wanted to grow older and listen to adult conversations. With his father in the RAF, he travelled widely and was educated at the Cairo High School, the Maritz Brothers in Port Elizabeth and, finally, at Bedford Modern from where he was expected to go on to university. His first book was completed at the age of seventeen. It was the story of a British spy in Russia during World War Two, titled Descent Into Danger. This was his initial encounter with spying. He turned down the offer of a place at university in order to accompany a travelling fair for a year. Those experiences became Bed of Nails. Since then, Gordon has written forty-one books published worldwide. He has been a foreign correspondent beginning with the Suez Crisis and ending with the First Gulf War. He was a BBC writer/producer for three flagship BBC programmes: Man Alive, Tomorrow’s World and Horizon. He is a regular contributor to Facta, the respected monthly Japanese news magazine, and he lectures widely on the secret world of Intelligence. He also provides expert analysis on Intelligence for US and European television and radio shows. Gordon’s awards include a Monte-Carlo International Television Award; an Edgar Allen Poe Award; and a Lifetime Achievement Award for Investigative Journalism from the Citizens Commission for Human Rights. He divides his time between his homes in Ireland and England. So, I don't at all want to impugn Gordon Thomas based on vague or unsubstantiated allegations, but I do want to say I sometimes wonder what's up in regards to him, and to invite further comment on this subject. Dubai seeks '11 Europeans' for Hamas killing - Peter Presland - 22-02-2010 I concur with pretty much all of David and Austin's comments in the last two posts, with the following caveats: 1. On the BBC I am less sanguine than David's post makes him appear (though erroneously I suspect). The Beeb really are quintessentially Establishment and as such will ALWAYS promote and defend the Establishment 'for public consumption' consensus, no matter how absurd it is. It is the increasingly vast absurdity of that consensus that led to this little peccadillo slipping through I suspect. After all, their editors positions are somewhat analogous to that of King Canute addressing the tide. There is just Sooooo much for them to be on guard for that the odd leakage is just bound to happen occasionally. 2. I certainly hold no brief for Gordon Thomas either; and I agree that his output, though necessarily somewhat compromised by his position of trust with those who by definition trust nobody, is informative - and even uniquely so if one is practised at reading between the lines. The real point of my posting that Jerusalem Post piece was the demeanour - the faux outrage - of those eternal victims. Quote:The AJC said in a statement that it was “dismayed that a guest on BBC Radio 4 was allowed to state unchallenged” that the Mossad relies on Jews for assassination plots.The very idea that Mossad relies on scattered Zionists !!! - I wonder what the reaction would have been if he had alleged they relied on Christian, or Muslims? As is so often the case it would be farcically funny if it weren't so damned tragic. Dubai seeks '11 Europeans' for Hamas killing - Austin Kelley - 22-02-2010 Peter Presland Wrote:The real point of my posting that Jerusalem Post piece was the demeanour - the faux outrage - of those eternal victims. I understand your critique- and don't disagree, but I will point out that Gordon Thomas handed the Israeli propagandists a rationale for their faux indignation on a silver platter by asserting that there were half a million to a million sayanim in the exterior. This is based on what? I don't know of any substantiation for such assertions- and there's the rub... Dubai seeks '11 Europeans' for Hamas killing - Peter Presland - 22-02-2010 Austin Kelley Wrote:.... Gordon Thomas handed the Israeli propagandists a rationale for their faux indignation on a silver platter by asserting that there were half a million to a million sayanim in the exterior.Well on a strict interpretation of the word maybe; but really, does anyone seriously doubt that the Mossad will have information on substantially in EXCESS of 1/2 million non-Israeli residents throughout the world who, by whatever means (ranging between being made offers they can't refuse to being deeply embedded 'Manchurian Candidates') are potential 'assets' in Mossad operations - witting or unwitting? It is the modus operandi of all SIS's with their 'assets' as often as not believing (in their naivety) that they are involved in some sort of exciting hush-hush patriotic exercise before receiving a rude awakening - or silencing - as the case may be. In any event I can think of a whole raft of things thoroughly deserving of outrage, whereas this (IMHO) is deserving of nothing but contempt - The AJC statement that is. Dubai seeks '11 Europeans' for Hamas killing - Austin Kelley - 22-02-2010 I don't doubt that the Israeli Government can tap into a large network of unpaid helpers. That said, here's a quote that Gordon Thomas recently gave to the BBC host Eddie Mair: Quote:“They have a whole backup system called ‘asylum.’ These are people, local residents, Jewish people, who help the Mossad. It is estimated to be in the world about half a million; some people say a million; I tend to say it’s about half a million, all of them Mossad people.” I'd say that's a problematic statement based on the fact that I don't know of any way for Thomas to back up his claim. Dubai seeks '11 Europeans' for Hamas killing - Peter Presland - 22-02-2010 Austin Kelley Wrote:.....I'd say that's a problematic statement based on the fact that I don't know of any way for Thomas to back up his claim.OK Austin; agreed, it is problematic; as is pretty much any comment on the capabilities and activities of SIS's the world over. The point here - very well illustrated by the diversionary rucus caused - is that it is ESPECIALLY problematic where Israel's hyper-sensitive Hasbara is involved. Maybe GT did have that in mind, though on balance I think he was probably flattered at the invitation and did a barely rehearsed motor-mouth memory dump that slipped passed the censors ....or maybe he's just another Sayanim himself :elefant: Anyway, I think we're in danger of debating how many angels can dance on a pin-head on this so I'll say no more. Dubai seeks '11 Europeans' for Hamas killing - Austin Kelley - 22-02-2010 I think that the Israeli psy-ops people will twist anything and everything they can into fodder for their propaganda war. The most strategic thing to do is to anticipate your opponent's methodology in advance and be very, very thoughtful about what you do and do not say. So, essentially Peter, you and I are in agreement- I do not doubt that the Israeli State enjoys a great deal of help from without, and I do think this is a very important moral and political concern. I just think that, in retrospect, we can see that Gordon Thomas's statement gave them an opening, and this should be a lesson to us all. |