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Further proof that Harold Wilson was right about MI5 treason - Paul Rigby - 18-04-2010 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1266837/Revealed-How-MI5-bugged-10-Downing-Street-Cabinet-Prime-Ministers-15-YEARS.html Quote:Revealed: How MI5 bugged 10 Downing Street, the Cabinet and at least five Prime Ministers for 15 YEARS When Harold Macmillan called in MI5 in 1963 and asked it to bug his office, he thought the whole world was coming apart, writes Stephen Dorrill. He was trying to keep a lid on an unprecedented level of scandal that threatened to undermine his Tory Government and confidence in the British Establishment. Secrets he kept included the identity of the ‘headless man’ in sexually explicit photos produced in the Duchess of Argyll’s divorce. The man was alleged to be Colonies Secretary Duncan Sandys, who offered to resign. Actor Douglas Fairbanks Junior was also accused. At one stage, Macmillan feared half his Cabinet was tainted by scandal or plotting against him. He was also hearing gossip about the sexual exploits of senior judges and Royals. His own wife Dorothy had had a long affair with bisexual Tory peer Robert Boothby, conducted in full view of Westminster. Boothby was rumoured to be the father of Macmillan’s youngest daughter and the stress had brought on a nervous breakdown. Then came the Profumo Affair, which nearly felled the Government. War Minister John Profumo had an affair with ‘party girl’ Christine Keeler – who also had a relationship with a Soviet naval attaché. In March 1963, Profumo misled the Commons about the relationship. Behind the scenes, he had also misled Macmillan personally. He was finally forced to resign in June. We now know America believed there had been a serious leak of information to the Russians as a result of the scandal and MI5 was under pressure from the FBI and CIA to stem the flow of secrets. Macmillan felt he could not trust anybody – but turned for counsel to Dick White, director-general of foreign intelligence service MI6. It is possible that White suggested installing the listening devices in No10 as some kind of insurance policy. By bugging the Cabinet rooms, Macmillan would also have been able to eavesdrop on his Ministers, the Cabinet Secretary and his senior officials. After Macmillan’s resignation, his successor Alec Douglas-Home also faced a succession of scandals which now appear to have pushed him to turn to MI5 again. Lord Boothby, once close to Winston Churchill, had long kept his homosexual activity a secret. But in 1964 revelations about him threatened to engulf Douglas-Home’s Government. Boothby was a regular at London sex parties and began an affair with gangster Ronnie Kray. In July 1964, a Sunday newspaper published a front page exposé under the headline, Peer And A Gangster: Yard Probe. It said police were investigating a homosexual relationship between a ‘prominent peer and a leading thug in the London underworld’, who was alleged to be involved in a West End protection racket. Also in the background was the hunt for further KGB moles at the highest levels in Government following the defections of the Cambridge spy ring which included Kim Philby, Donald Maclean, Guy Burgess and the secret confession of Anthony Blunt. In September 1962 John Vassall, a civil servant at the Admiralty, had also been arrested and charged with spying. He gave a full confession and admitted passing the Soviets several thousand classified documents, including information on British radar, torpedoes and anti-submarine equipment. There was speculation that there was a second spy still operating in the Admiralty. Vassall was jailed for 18 years and an inquiry examined whether the inability to detect him earlier amounted to a failure of intelligence. The level of official paranoia at the time cannot be underestimated. But it is the revelation that the bugs were still in place in Downing Street during Harold Wilson’s two administrations, between 1964 and 1970 and 1974 to 1976, which is the most startling. Wilson believed that elements of the Establishment and members of MI5 and MI6 were plotting against him. He said they planned to install Lord Louis Mountbatten, Prince Charles’s uncle and mentor, as interim head of a national Government. Senior MI5 officer Peter Wright’s memoir Spycatcher claimed that he was involved in a plot with other disgruntled MI5 and MI6 officers to undermine Wilson. Now, despite countless official denials, it appears that Wilson – whose claims that he was under surveillance are often dismissed as the ramblings of an ill and paranoid man – was right. Quote:Stephen Dorril is author of MI6 – Fifty Years of Special Operations; Smear: Wilson And The Secret State; and Honeytrap, on the Profumo Affair. Further proof that Harold Wilson was right about MI5 treason - David Guyatt - 18-04-2010 I, for one, never doubted Wilson's claims -- not least because of the revelations of Colin Wallace and "Clockwork Orange", then the Spycatcher affair. What is strange is that Gordo still seeks to keep this secret. Why? Might it be because it is still going on? Further proof that Harold Wilson was right about MI5 treason - David Guyatt - 18-04-2010 Quote:Boothby was a regular at London sex parties and began an affair with gangster Ronnie Kray. What a delightful couple they were: Amongst Boothby's battle honours were: Quote:He was PPS to Winston Churchill circa 1926-9, the Vice-Chairman of the Committee on Economic Affairs, 1952–56; Honorary President of the Scottish Chamber of Agriculture, 1934, Rector of the University of St Andrews, 1958–61; Chairman of the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, 1961–63, and President, Anglo-Israel Association, 1962–75. He was awarded an Honorary LLD by St Andrews, 1959 and was made an Honorary Burgess of the Burghs of Peterhead, Fraserburgh, Turriff and Rosehearty. He was appointed an Officer of the Legion of Honour in 1950, a KBE in 1953. Amongst Ronnie Kray's battle honours were: Quote:East London gang chief, armed robber, arsonist, protection racketeer, torturer and murderer, certified paranoid schizophrenic, photographed by David Bailey during the height of his career (sic!) convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment and died after a further certification of insanity in Broadmoor high security psychiatric hospital An earlier attempt to implicate the Kray twins (by Inspector "Nipper" Read) in their reign of fear was destroyed by an FBI officer named Cooper. Further proof that Harold Wilson was right about MI5 treason - Peter Presland - 18-04-2010 The Daily Mail has learned; The Daily Mail can reveal etc etc. It's formulations like that that turn me right off. Frankly, apart from the bits about Brown trying to keep a lid on it, there's really nothing new in that article at all. And the source of those bits is not without an agenda that we should all look long and hard at; viz that of Professor Christopher Andrew who has a book to promote Like most ambitious academics, he is keen to remain on the right side of The Establishment; a bit of jousting here, a bit of risqué rebellion there; and suchlike - are all grist to the mill; but on the sanctity of the the core official narratives, why, his purpose is most assuredly to bolster them. Robin Ramsay in the latest on-line edition of Lobster (58) is interesting on the matter. After conceding the importance of the book in terms of its vastness (over 1,000 pages) with 'privileged' access to official sources with: Quote:the book .... will be of major interest to academic students of British intelligence and political history for years toHe writes: Quote:Colin Wallace and Fred Holroyd get a sentence each. Wallace is described as a former information officer; his psy-ops role, admitted by HMG, is omitted. Their claims are not stated and Andrew merely quotes the then Director General of MI5, Sir Anthony Duff, who ‘assured staff in 1987 that Wallace’s and Holroyd’s allegations of dirty tricks were “equally baseless” ’. Andrew tells us that Duff conducted a ‘stringent inquiry’ into the allegations about operations against the Labour governments of Harold Wilson. Said inquiry: ‘examined all relevant files and interviewed all relevant Security Service officers, both serving and retired’, and it ‘concluded unequivocally that no member of the Service had been involved in the surveillance of Wilson, still less in any attempt to destabilise the government.’ (p. 642When it comes to insightful commentary on our SIS's, give me Ramsey and Dorril over Gordon Thomas, Professor Andrew and all the other academics combined. And the Daily Mail - or any other MSM outlet for that matter; any and all articles concerning alleged SIS activities are of interest more for their ostensible subject matter and timing than for any claimed revelations in their content. It's who is pulling their strings (feeding material etc) and why that interests me. As for why GB is still trying to cover things up. Frankly, the more I see of GB, the more I judge him to be a brainless nincompoop tool. Whatever he does, he does at the behest of others so it is their motives (in this case the SIS's) for giving the appearance of trying to keep a lid on it (ie the bugging etc) that we should probably be considering. Further proof that Harold Wilson was right about MI5 treason - Magda Hassan - 18-04-2010 Quote:An earlier attempt to implicate the Kray twins (by Inspector "Nipper" Read) in their reign of fear was destroyed by an FBI officer named Cooper.Care to tell more David? Further proof that Harold Wilson was right about MI5 treason - Magda Hassan - 18-04-2010 David Guyatt Wrote:God, what a mental picture that makes these two playing trains and tunnels! Where is my gin and tonic?Quote:Boothby was a regular at London sex parties and began an affair with gangster Ronnie Kray.What a delightful couple they were: Further proof that Harold Wilson was right about MI5 treason - Magda Hassan - 18-04-2010 Peter Presland Wrote:The Daily Mail has learned; The Daily Mail can reveal etc etc.Too true Peter. All the above. I'd take Dorill and Ramsey any day over some tame paid academic. And to know why GB is wanting to keep the lid on it, it is odd and who is behind this all? And why? And why now? Further proof that Harold Wilson was right about MI5 treason - David Guyatt - 18-04-2010 Magda Hassan Wrote:Quote:An earlier attempt to implicate the Kray twins (by Inspector "Nipper" Read) in their reign of fear was destroyed by an FBI officer named Cooper.Care to tell more David? Can't really Magda. I just noted it from the Wiki entry and it jumped out at me. However, in relation to other matters - I'm actually thinking about the background and surround-ground of Lockerbie - similar things have happened - i.e., that the British and American underworld would appear to be politically protected at certain levels. Here, I am remembering a specific secret police investigation and report that got swept under the carpet, the report and all the evidence collected destroyed and the senior police officer who conducted the investigation deciding to take early retirement because, I understand, he couldn't stomach what happened. Involved were a UK based CIA arms outfit, PIRA, Angelo Dundee, Pan-Am Lockerbie, drug running, a rather well known British comedian who made his name in a TV series "The Comedians" who was also a night-club owner plus members of the Manchester based "Quality Street Gang" who apparently possessed sufficiently powerful information that their detention in a police cell was (as I remember it anyway) rescinded and they were allowed to go scott free. In other words, crime and politics always go hand in hand. Further proof that Harold Wilson was right about MI5 treason - David Guyatt - 18-04-2010 Peter quoted: Quote:olin Wallace and Fred Holroyd get a sentence each. Wallace is described as a former information officer; his psy-ops role, admitted by HMG, is omitted. Their claims are not stated and Andrew merely quotes the then Director General of MI5, Sir Anthony Duff, who ‘assured staff in 1987 that Wallace’s and Holroyd’s allegations of dirty tricks were “equally baseless” ’. Which is complete tripe in fact. I know Fred Holroyd and have visited him at his house a few times (he lives near me) taking bottles of wine to while away the evening as we talk. Fred is a lovely bloke. Since being drummed out of the Army for his revelations, he has been made virtually destitute by the secret state. Every time he gets a job, a man in a suit from the Ministry arrives, has a quiet word in the shell-like of the boss, and Fred is "let go" to use that awful American description. When I last saw him, he had just secured another job as a night-watch-man on a local building site and he and his wife lived in near poverty. Quite a step down from Army Captain. Are we supposed to believe that being hounded like this for well over 20 years happens for no reason at all? Duff is a complete lying wanker obviously. Further proof that Harold Wilson was right about MI5 treason - Jan Klimkowski - 18-04-2010 Prof Andrew is more than "well-connected". I also note the ongoing attempt to describe known, extant, plots as "conspiracy theories" believed by those with psychological or medical disorders: Quote:Prof Andrew believes Wilson’s apparent obsession was evidence of his ‘mental and physical decline’. The Prime Minister was later diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease. If a Prime Minister believes members of his own security services and the British royal family are conspiring against him, then Prof Andrew is there to reassure the public that the PM was in "mental and physical decline". The message is clear: you needn't worry about treachery, or the claims of "unsound" intelligence officers like Wallace or Holroyd about assassination squads, right-wing military coups and the like. It was all a minor blip. Oh - and here's some juicy gossip about a Tory peer and a gangster's sexual cavortings to distract you. |