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JFK's support for De Gaulle versus CIA-OAS - Paul Rigby - 23-05-2010 Quote:"As late as April 1961, at the time of the Challe putsch in Algeria, President Kennedy could commit what seems in retrospect the extraordinary blunder of offering the use of the American Sixth Fleet to oppose a rebel attempt to land in France…" Anthony Hartley, "Has Gaullism A Future ?", Encounter, August 1967, p. 56 Quote:"Pamphlet, being distributed in Oran, published by the National Committee of American Friends of the French Secret Army Organisation…" "U.S. Group Supports Algeria Terrorists," New York Times, 13 April 1962, p. 6 Does anyone know of a good book (better yet, books) which covers the subject of Kennedy's relations with De Gaulle? JFK's support for De Gaulle versus CIA-OAS - Mark Stapleton - 24-05-2010 Don't know of any books specifically devoted to that relationship Paul, but Arthur Schlesinger Jr's 'A Thousand Days' contains several references to their relationship. JFK was concerned that De Gaulle's late conversion to the cause of Algerian independence had made him unpopular with certain sections of the French military and the OAS. Even though De Gaulle refused the offer of military assistance and the coup fizzled out anyway, I don't agree with the author (Hartley's) categorisation of this as an 'extraordinary blunder'. JFK's support for De Gaulle versus CIA-OAS - Charles Drago - 24-05-2010 Two titles that at least are in your ballpark: Challenging De Gaulle: The O.A.S. and the Counterrevolution in Algeria, 1954-1962, by Alexander Harrison; Praeger, 1989. Warning: Introduction by William Colby. Target de Gaulle: The True Story of the 31 Attempts on the Life of the French President, by Pierre Demaret and Christian Plume; The Dial Press, 1973. In re the latter: For those of us who understand the first "terrible sound" in Dealey Plaza as a means to sow confusion and what I've termed "cognitive dissonance" within the perceptions of witnesses, the following passage is appreciated: Writing of the November, 1958 attack on de Gaulle in the Rue de Rome by elements of Jeune Nation, the authors note, "The idea was to create panic among the crowd by setting of thunderflashes and powerful smoke-bombs giving off vast quantities of smoke. In the confusion the party would rush the general's open car and assassinate him." In addition, there is at least one chapter's worth of de Gaulle/Kennedy analysis. JFK's support for De Gaulle versus CIA-OAS - Paul Rigby - 24-05-2010 Mark Stapleton Wrote:Don't know of any books specifically devoted to that relationship Paul, but Arthur Schlesinger Jr's 'A Thousand Days' contains several references to their relationship. Thanks for the reminder about Schlesinger. I'd either forgotten, or never noticed, that he'd had anything to say on the subject. Mark Stapleton Wrote:JFK was concerned that De Gaulle's late conversion to the cause of Algerian independence had made him unpopular with certain sections of the French military and the OAS. Even though De Gaulle refused the offer of military assistance and the coup fizzled out anyway, I don't agree with the author (Hartley's) categorisation of this as an 'extraordinary blunder'. I wish I could find a really good piece - by which I mean a real nuts and bolts job of who did what when - on the Challe putsch. I strongly suspect there's a fascinating story awaiting the telling, one much to Kennedy's credit. JFK's support for De Gaulle versus CIA-OAS - Paul Rigby - 24-05-2010 Charles Drago Wrote:Two titles that at least are in your ballpark: I got the first from the library years ago, CD, but I felt the dread hand of Praeger's sponsor at work: Colby practiced some of his legendary limited hang-out skills on the subject in the mid-1970s, with a spate of newspaper articles such as "Former CIA director William Colby confirmed that "foreigners" had sought the Agency's assisstance with such a plot, although he insisted the CIA declined to participate" (The Chicago Tribune, June 20, 1975). And so on and so forth. The second I own, but due to my sophisticated hi-tech storage and retrieval system, am presently unable to remember which unlabelled box it's in. Charles Drago Wrote:In re the latter: For those of us who understand the first "terrible sound" in Dealey Plaza as a means to sow confusion and what I've termed "cognitive dissonance" within the perceptions of witnesses, the following passage is appreciated: Parapolitical prestidigitation - now this I like. JFK's support for De Gaulle versus CIA-OAS - Phil Dragoo - 24-05-2010 [size=12]The next day, the leftist Italian newspaper,
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