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I often wonder... - Jack White - 06-06-2010
...what is taught at the US military service academies?
Do they have courses in assassination, how to take over the government?
Do they have courses in coverups and propaganda?
How do they transform patriotic young cadets and midshipmen to become
such right-wing extremists when they become career military men?
Jack
I often wonder... - Magda Hassan - 07-06-2010
Not at the level I was at Jack but maybe at the post grad level and officer levels. One thing that was made very clear in my military law lessons was that you were obligated to follow an order. If there was any doubt as to whether that order was legal or not that had to be followed up later, after following the order, or one would be charged for not follow an order.
I often wonder... - Myra Bronstein - 07-06-2010
I've been wondering where they dig up these creatures. And not just Israeli commandos willing to shoot people in the top of the head and in the eye. In the US too. Apparently TPTB have no trouble finding, or creating, sociopaths.
I often wonder... - Magda Hassan - 07-06-2010
The psychological testing in the military is quite thourough. This happens at enlistment and through out They know what they are looking for and how to use you.
I often wonder... - Ed Jewett - 07-06-2010
We have our own madrassas. They are found in the prep schools, the small military academies, some social clubs, small communities, living rooms, church basements, and more. A child is spotted, evaluated, given a hidden check on a form or a wink between people, and the child is slowly, gradually, culled from the herd, tested, given an assignment to see how respondent and obedient they will be. Sometimes more nefarious methods are used but sometimes they don't have to be at the early levels; identification of tendency and talent, eagerness and obedience, is all. The identified candidate is eased forward with recommendations, doors that have been opened by colleagues, scholarship assistance, special guidance and tutoring, etc. into the next-highest level of testing and observation. The faltering or conscience-stricken candidate is simply eased out of the narrowing stream; the whistle-blower is given a black mark and prevented from furtherance in career and employment and educational opportunity. It is simple, subtle, woven seamlessly into the system; some select for one set of attributes, and others for more human ones. One very simple and introductory example:
When started on an initiatory and screening exercise which was an overnight forced-march 20-mile hike as a candidate for the elite college ROTC group that eventually might have out me in 'nam under a Green Beret, I and my buddies were each issued a live, clucking chicken. We were told to tie its feet and hang it upside down from a pole we carried on our shoulders for the first ten miles. We'd been issued rusty, dull bayonets for our blanks-loaded M-1 rifles. When our lunch break was finally ordered (we'd d been issued no food and prevented from bringing anything other than the water in our canteen), we were told to build a fire. The instructors simply pointed to the chickens and said "If you want to eat, there is your lunch."
Another example later in the year featured one-on-one pugil stick combat in which we were pitted against the individual they had determined we were closest to in terms of friendship; the contest was to the end, with one flat on the ground.
There are always simple and hidden tests to determine what is inside a human being and how far they will go.
Another was the SERE-based training in survival swimming, the hand-to-hand combat classes, and the "maneuvers" in which some degree of ruthlessness is injected into the game play.
The more famous example is the Stanford psych experiments...
My examples were from light and lower level events for college students in a protected and observable environment. More harsh stories, I'm, sure, emerge from real military training and real combat experience.
I often wonder... - Jack White - 07-06-2010
i have heard of some of these tales, relating to the CIA...too repulsive
to mention...in finding material for assassins.
Jack
I often wonder... - Magda Hassan - 07-06-2010
And of course there is the prison system to recruit from also.
I often wonder... - Ed Jewett - 07-06-2010
Magda Hassan Wrote:And of course there is the prison system to recruit from also.
Ah, yes, of course,,, the great-grand-dad of training and acculturation .... perhaps that is why we have such high rates of incarceration and recidivism, and such low rates of rehabilitation.
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I often wonder... - Magda Hassan - 07-06-2010
We have that book here to download. Heavy reading though.
I often wonder... - Ed Jewett - 07-06-2010
Magda Hassan Wrote:We have that book here to download. Heavy reading though.
I thought I'd seen that somewhere (doh!). I remembered having it on my hard drive for a while.
And, yes, it is heavy reading, on multiple levels.