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George Galloway Not An Honest Man - Peter Presland - 24-11-2010 In spite of the sterling stuff he's done on the Palestinian Issue and his very impressive performance before that Congressional Committee, I've always had a bit of a problem with 'Gorgeous George' as he's fondly/not so fondly known over here. Never quite put my finger on it and it's more than just his extreme 'prima dona' tendencies too. This from Kevin Boyle's Blog Quote:George Galloway was filmed in Montreal on 17th November 2010 saying, "9/11 conspiracy theories are insane.": George Galloway Not An Honest Man - Peter Lemkin - 24-11-2010 Well, I have to differ on my take. As you know I'm quite sure 9-11 was an inside job. That said, I like GG and most of the things I'm aware of he has said and done. He is head and shoulders over most others in his field - especially regarding the Middle East and how they have been treated by the UK and USA and others. Many were or still are deniers on 9-11 for a variety of reasons - mostly that it just seems too fantastic and far too LARGE an event to 'fake'. I disagree with that conclusion, but do notice that one by one many of those otherwise progressive persons, but 9-11 deniers, are coming over to the side of the painful Truth.....give him time. In a more general way, I'm against condemning a person for one or two bad ideas, if they have many other good ones to offer. This is why the Left never seems to get along and the Right does much better marching in lock-step toward fascism. If we are to fight them, we have to learn to get along despite some differences - we can't all think alike and agree on all. My tuppence. George Galloway Not An Honest Man - Peter Presland - 24-11-2010 Peter Lemkin Wrote:Well, I have to differ on my take. As you know I'm quite sure 9-11 was an inside job. That said, I like GG and most of the things I'm aware of he has said and done. He is head and shoulders over most others in his field - especially regarding the Middle East and how they have been treated by the UK and USA and others. Many were or still are deniers on 9-11 for a variety of reasons - mostly that it just seems too fantastic and far too LARGE an event to 'fake'. I disagree with that conclusion, but do notice that one by one many of those otherwise progressive persons, but 9-11 deniers, are coming over to the side of the painful Truth.....give him time. In a more general way, I'm against condemning a person for one or two bad ideas, if they have many other good ones to offer. This is why the Left never seems to get along and the Right does much better marching in lock-step toward fascism. If we are to fight them, we have to learn to get along despite some differences - we can't all think alike and agree on all. My tuppence.I agree with much of that Peter. I started the thread because what Kevin Boyle says rang a bell. The fact is that, for all his good works he has an almost unique ability to alienate his natural supporters and colleagues when it comes to who must be in the driving seat - guess what? it's always George and if he doesn't get his way he throws his rattle out of the pram. He did a sterling Job of splitting his "Respect" party down the middle and thus lost his Bethnal Green seat in the May general election. He's now looking for Scottish parliamentary constituency. I know a few of the people he's pissed off and believe me, he's done it big time. Same with that video. He clearly knows diddly squat about the detail of 9/11 and 7/7 but nonetheless he invests his response to leading questions with same kind of authority and withering contempt for the questioner that wins him plaudits on the Palestinian issue. It all illustrates to me the care we need to exercise in choosing ANY leader - and prima-dona egotism should probably be an automatic disqualification. I know what you mean about the so-called "Left" constantly fragmenting and indulging in fratricide. But so far as I am concerned the entire LEFT-RIGHT political paradigm is well past it's sell-by date. It is the language of a totally bankrupt political establishment orthodoxy and I reckon it's about time we found a better paradigm to frame the real issues facing us. The old left certainly does not have a monopoly of political - or any other virtue in my book. Aside from this kind of comment I personally decline to frame my politics in terms of RIGHT and LEFT. To do so is to work at breathing life into a rotting corpse - All IMHO of course. George Galloway Not An Honest Man - Malcolm Pryce - 24-11-2010 Yes I have heard GG being very contemptuous of troofers in the past. And yet this weekend he debated the issue for ten or fifteen minutes on Talksport Radio with Ian Henshall of reinvestigate911.org. I have to say he treated Ian Henshall very courteously. At the end he said that while he was not convinced by the 'inside-job' thesis he agreed the official narrative was unsound and supported the call for a new investigation. Make of that what you will. George Galloway Not An Honest Man - Peter Presland - 25-11-2010 Malcolm Pryce Wrote:Yes I have heard GG being very contemptuous of troofers in the past. And yet this weekend he debated the issue for ten or fifteen minutes on Talksport Radio with Ian Henshall of reinvestigate911.org. I have to say he treated Ian Henshall very courteously. At the end he said that while he was not convinced by the 'inside-job' thesis he agreed the official narrative was unsound and supported the call for a new investigation. Make of that what you will.I may have been a bit hard on the man above. I think he is undoubtedly aware of the extent to which he has alienated his close collaborators. He's no fool, but then neither are they and, as Peter says, interminable internecine squabbles are precisely what allow the real opposition to get away with -- well all the crap they DO get away with. The really awkward problem is that substantial elements of the broad LEFT (to use that useless categorisation again) are part and parcel of that opposition. It's just too easy to be seduced by that sydrome and thereby become the oppositions enablers. George Galloway Not An Honest Man - David Guyatt - 25-11-2010 My take is that George is so much in love with George that everything else is dims into a very distant second place. A Jesus complex is not, in my opinion, something that is healthy in any professional life be it religious or business. But it is particularly dangerous in political life. Like Peter P, I regard Left and Right as the true impostors they are. The former Crime Minister, Tony Blair actually was a Conservative "lite" whose hero was Herr Margaret Thatchler, and the current Deputy Crime Minister, Nick Clegg (LibDem) used to be a "Young Conservative" when at Uni - a period he now says he really can't remember very well at all, when asked about it. George Galloway Not An Honest Man - Magda Hassan - 25-11-2010 David Guyatt Wrote:....and the current Deputy Crime Minister, Nick Clegg (LibDem) used to be a "Young Conservative" when at Uni - a period he now says he really can't remember very well at all, when asked about it.Too bloody drunk from the Bullingdon Club initiations and piss ups. George Galloway Not An Honest Man - David Guyatt - 25-11-2010 Magda Hassan Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:....and the current Deputy Crime Minister, Nick Clegg (LibDem) used to be a "Young Conservative" when at Uni - a period he now says he really can't remember very well at all, when asked about it.Too bloody drunk from the Bullingdon Club initiations and piss ups. I've bee trying to wheedle an invite to one as a guest. I've always wanted to throw a bottle of Cheval Blanc against a pub wall. But I know no invite would be forthcoming. Co's I'd always drain the bottle beforehand. No breeding you see... |