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The JFK Plot: A Structural Model - Charles Drago - 10-12-2008
Nathaniel Heidenheimer Wrote:I'm like are Adolf Berle and J.C. King in 2A?
Why not?
Again, and for the record, I am NOT suggesting that all of the characters I list were part of the JFK conspiracy.
I'm simply making casting recommendations.
The JFK Plot: A Structural Model - Charles Drago - 10-12-2008
Cliff Varnell Wrote:Allow me to put this another way -- your failure to recognize W. Averell Harriman as the apex of your model is a serious mis-reading of history.
His retainer's son and grandson held the White House for 12 years.
His wife put Bill Clinton in the White House.
http://www.anusha.com/pamela-h.htm
And that was all after Harriman was well cold in his grave...
I await proof of your claim. And the burden of proof rests with you.
Until then, please broaden and deepen your focus.
The JFK Plot: A Structural Model - Charles Drago - 10-12-2008
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Then perhaps David?
Dawn
Who along the Hudson pines?
The JFK Plot: A Structural Model - Dawn Meredith - 11-12-2008
Charles Drago Wrote:Who along the Hudson pines?
David and the boys will be in control long after he's left his earthly home.
So CD you don't buy into Carl's analysis that it was Cowboy killing re JFK? They sure had means motive and opportunity. But then the Yanks have always been the ones really in control. It's just that living in TX and
really looking into LBJ and his people one can easily be swayed that it happened here because they could get it done. However I never put LBJ at the top of that pyramid either.
Dawn
The JFK Plot: A Structural Model - Charles Drago - 11-12-2008
Dawn, et al,
I've learned to be wary of distinctions -- especially when they're offered as choices to explain deep political phenomena.
"Or" is a warning sign.
Was it the Right Wing OR the Mob OR Texas oilmen OR the CIA OR Johnson OR Castro OR the Soviets OR ...
Are the Bushes Yankees OR Cowboys?
The JFK Plot: A Structural Model - Dawn Meredith - 11-12-2008
Charles Drago Wrote:Dawn, et al,
I've learned to be wary of distinctions -- especially when they're offered as choices to explain deep political phenomena.
"Or" is a warning sign.
Was it the Right Wing OR the Mob OR Texas oilmen OR the CIA OR Johnson OR Castro OR the Soviets OR ...
Are the Bushes Yankees OR Cowboys?
Bingo! They are both. I think you have solved the issue of who killed JFK.
The power shifts between Yankee and Cowboy becomes far less meaningful when dealing with entities who embody both mentalities. Very good points CD.
Dawn
The JFK Plot: A Structural Model - Nathaniel Heidenheimer - 11-12-2008
The Good Book-- Thy Will Be Done by Colby and Dennett-- has a major theme that traces the growing ties of Rockefeller interests with the US South.
These ties are myriad, but include Wachovia in Charlotte NC, which then became the host of JAARS, the evangelical airplane outfit that flew missionaries around South American regions were souls and oil were ripe for plunder. The book also details lots and lots of Dallas contacts with the Rockefellers, including the eventual headquarters of Wycliff Bible Translators.
False opposites r' Goebbels. This is the alternate name of the Pew Charitalble Trust for Media criticism.
The JFK Plot: A Structural Model - Mark Stapleton - 16-12-2008
Cliff Varnell Wrote:Allow me to put this another way -- your failure to recognize W. Averell Harriman as the apex of your model is a serious mis-reading of history.
His retainer's son and grandson held the White House for 12 years.
His wife put Bill Clinton in the White House.
http://www.anusha.com/pamela-h.htm
And that was all after Harriman was well cold in his grave...
Cliff, I'm intrigued by your conviction that Harriman was a prime mover behind the assassination.
http://www.answers.com/topic/w-averell-harriman
Seems like he was a rampant capitalist of the international variety so I can see how he might have viewed JFK as a commie loving peacenik. However, his term as NY Governor was stymied by a Republican controlled legislature so he wasn't a man who wielded enormous power, imo. He may have been a little cog in the wheel but hardly the mastermind of Dealey Plaza.
The JFK Plot: A Structural Model - Nathaniel Heidenheimer - 26-12-2008
Cliff Varnell Wrote:Allow me to put this another way -- your failure to recognize W. Averell Harriman as the apex of your model is a serious mis-reading of history.
His retainer's son and grandson held the White House for 12 years.
His wife put Bill Clinton in the White House.
http://www.anusha.com/pamela-h.htm
And that was all after Harriman was well cold in his grave...
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Cliff's emphasis on Harriman is really starting to resonate more, now that I am reading Family of Secrets by Russ Baker. AMAZING STUFF HERE!!!
The JFK Plot: A Structural Model - Cliff Varnell - 29-12-2008
Thank you, Nathaniel. Family of Secrets is on top of the stack of books I'm taking to the woodshed as I "broaden and deepen my focus" on Harriman, as per Charles' recommendation.
My research so far indicates W. Averell Harriman was the monster of the 20th century.