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Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jack White - 10-12-2010 Jack White Wrote:Brian Anderson Wrote:Hi Jack I should mention that the above is a definitive comment. Part of John's methodology was to order from the National Archives EVERY DOCUMENT which contained the word OSWALD. This dragnet included THOUSANDS of documents which filled 40+ 4" 4-ring notebooks. Included as containing "OSWALD" were Lee, Robert, Marina, Pic, Marguerite, or any other event or association referring to OSWALD. If the archive search had turned up Oswald having an affair with an unknown woman in New Orleans, John emphasizes to me it would have been among the papers. But it would not stop with "unknown woman"...she would be tracked down to a minute extent, and her Florida classmates would have been interviewed, her trips to Ferrie's apartment noted, her address found, her neighbors interviewed, her connections to Dutz Murret discovered, her cancer experiments with Oschner investigated, her employment at Reily questioned, her family traced, etc. etc. etc. Investigators who checked into Jack Ruby's sister's false teeth or Oswald's pubic hairs would leave no stone unturned if they found LHO had a mistress. On this basis alone, John never took seriously any claims by JVB. Jack Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jack White - 10-12-2010 Peter Lemkin Wrote:Jack, I guess [without knowing] that Assange/Wikileaks is not your gambit....no need to belabor that further, can fully understand. Jack, I guess [without knowing] that Assange/Wikileaks is not your gambit....no need to belabor that further, can fully understand. Peter...that is a side issue not related to JFK. But from the few facts which have emerged (very strange), it appears to be a STRAWMAN set up by the government to be knocked down, with the aim being censorship of the internet. Seems very transparent to me...a "limited hangout" of a few "not-very secrets" by an intelligence agency. What I do not understand is how an Australian can be prosecuted by the US for a "crime" not under American jurisdiction. Any country which extradites this man for prosecution is part of a criminal conspiracy. Jack Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Charles Drago - 10-12-2010 Jack White Wrote:That is easy. Absolutely NO DOCUMENTATION exists that the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, Naval Intelligence, Garrison, Jack, Please don't read this as a negative assessment of Armstrong's work (which I respect) or an endorsement of JVB. I simply seek clarification, so please correct me if I'm mis-reading you: The premise of your argument as made above is that all Oswald-related records either are accessible or have left faint images behind even after violent redaction. Charles Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Albert Doyle - 10-12-2010 Jack White Wrote:If the archive Maybe not. If JVB were part of a deep biowarfare project which violated international conventions she might be enough of an unknown figure that she could be made invisible. There are probably many such research persons who overlapped into such programs who never made it onto any files. JVB is probably one of many. She just happened to overlap into a government assassination. She's just like Rose Cheramie - right in the middle of it with all the prime evidence, but not being taken seriously. You seem to be assuming JVB had to have a file record if she were legitimate. Well, what if she was legitimate and just didn't have any paper trail? Hoaxter's don't get persecuted and chased from the country IMO. Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jack White - 10-12-2010 Charles Drago Wrote:Jack White Wrote:That is easy. Absolutely NO DOCUMENTATION exists that the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, Naval Intelligence, Garrison, Charles...thanks for your comment, but obviously redacted records where the name OSWALD was blacked out are not included. John collected all documents where OSWALD was not blacked out. If your comment suggests that all mentions of JVB were blacked out, that is unlikely without leaving other clues in the document concerning the content of the document. If you look at most redacted documents, the entire document is not redacted, only parts considered sensitive. Otherwise, I am not sure I understand your comment. Jack Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jack White - 10-12-2010 Albert Doyle Wrote:Jack White Wrote:If the archive This is an odd argument. Every tiny aspect of LHO's life was examined in fine detail. Every associate was questioned and investigated. It would have been IMPOSSIBLE for him to have an affair with JVB without it being discovered by investigators. Further, his CIA handlers would not have allowed such a diversion from his assigned work. Arguing that JVB's covert assignment was even more sensitive than LHO's is pure speculation. Jack Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - John Kowalski - 10-12-2010 [/QUOTE] This is an odd argument. Every tiny aspect of LHO's life was examined in fine detail. Every associate was questioned and investigated. It would have been IMPOSSIBLE for him to have an affair with JVB without it being discovered by investigators. Further, his CIA handlers would not have allowed such a diversion from his assigned work. Arguing that JVB's covert assignment was even more sensitive than LHO's is pure speculation. Jack[/QUOTE] I really doubt that every document, redacted or not, regarding Oswald has been released to the public; but this does not change my opinion about JVB's story, as she writes it. This is the problem with her story, her version of events cannot be corroborated in any substantive way by independent researchers. I read her first book in its entirety and if it was true that she spent so much time with Oswald, then someone, other than her, would have found evidence of their relationship. There have been so many books, articles and other investigations about about Oswald, yet nothing has been found to support her claims about her and Oswald's alleged relationship. There could be a document buried somewhere in the archives that may substantiate her claim that she went to New Orleans to work with Oschner on a project of some type, but that alone is not enough evidence to prove her claim regarding Oswald. There may even be another document or two that reports that they crossed-paths with each other while working on some clandestine project, but the exaggerated story as she writes it, the love affair, the bio-weapon, her loveless relationship with her husband, her contact with Mary Sherman and David Ferrie, has not been substantiated by independent research. I believe that her story is a mix of a few facts (her science background and her employment at Reilly's) and a lot of fiction. What is more likely is that they had very little or no contact in the summer of 1963 and this is why no one saw them together. If she loathed her husband and wanted to marry Oswald as she claims, then why did she stay married to him and have five kids with him? John Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - John Kowalski - 10-12-2010 I have read Armstrong's book and found it to be very compelling. Comparing the pictures of Oswald in the Soviet Union to the New Orleans Oswald reveals that the two are not the same man. Has any additional research been done on Harvey since the publication of the book? I wish there had been more evidence regarding Harvey and his parents, and what happened to Lee (Norton?) after 1963. John Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jack White - 11-12-2010 This is an odd argument. Every tiny aspect of LHO's life was examined in fine detail. Every associate was questioned and investigated. It would have been IMPOSSIBLE for him to have an affair with JVB without it being discovered by investigators. Further, his CIA handlers would not have allowed such a diversion from his assigned work. Arguing that JVB's covert assignment was even more sensitive than LHO's is pure speculation. Jack[/QUOTE] I really doubt that every document, redacted or not, regarding Oswald has been released to the public; but this does not change my opinion about JVB's story, as she writes it. This is the problem with her story, her version of events cannot be corroborated in any substantive way by independent researchers. I read her first book in its entirety and if it was true that she spent so much time with Oswald, then someone, other than her, would have found evidence of their relationship. There have been so many books, articles and other investigations about about Oswald, yet nothing has been found to support her claims about her and Oswald's alleged relationship. There could be a document buried somewhere in the archives that may substantiate her claim that she went to New Orleans to work with Oschner on a project of some type, but that alone is not enough evidence to prove her claim regarding Oswald. There may even be another document or two that reports that they crossed-paths with each other while working on some clandestine project, but the exaggerated story as she writes it, the love affair, the bio-weapon, her loveless relationship with her husband, her contact with Mary Sherman and David Ferrie, has not been substantiated by independent research. I believe that her story is a mix of a few facts (her science background and her employment at Reilly's) and a lot of fiction. What is more likely is that they had very little or no contact in the summer of 1963 and this is why no one saw them together. If she loathed her husband and wanted to marry Oswald as she claims, then why did she stay married to him and have five kids with him? John[/QUOTE] Thanks, John. I agree with what you say, which is why I find it difficult to believe anything she says. Jack Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jack White - 11-12-2010 John Kowalski Wrote:I have read Armstrong's book and found it to be very compelling. Comparing the pictures of Oswald in the Soviet Union to the New Orleans Oswald reveals that the two are not the same man. Has any additional research been done on Harvey since the publication of the book? I wish there had been more evidence regarding Harvey and his parents, and what happened to Lee (Norton?) after 1963. John...Armstrong spent 12 years on the LHO project, and used every important thing he discovered (though he had to omit lots that he had written (his first draft was twice as long) and he had to put all the visuals on a disk. He did not pursue Norton because he had no independent verification. However, he did prove to my satisfaction that Norton is the original Lee. After the book was published, Armstrong went back to "civilian life" as a builder of custom homes. He is still interested, but he no longer researches. Jack Attached: a photo of me with John at a hamburger place. |