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Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jim Hargrove - 01-07-2015 Drew Phipps Wrote:If Fowler was a CIA plant to discredit Garrison or just keep tabs on his investigation, and the double story originates with him, don't you at least have to consider the possibility that the "doubles" story was CIA-designed to be a straw man for Garrison to take a swing at and then be discredited? Considering the trainload of evidence that has emerged over the years for two Oswalds, that would seem to be a dangerous play, even for an outfit with full knowledge of what Garrison was up against. Boxley/Wood, at least ostensibly, was let go by the Agency a decade before the Garrison investigation. Edit: Also, Garrison was at the same round-table discussion where Boxley talked about the two Oswalds, and there is no indication in the transcript that he made any objection. Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Drew Phipps - 01-07-2015 Quote: It was Garrison who had the information, not Fowler. I might have to re-read Destiny Betrayed, but who do you suppose was feeding this information to Garrison? Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Peter Lemkin - 01-07-2015 Jim, I hope you don't mind my reposting what you recently posted on the EF [among many, many others]. This is the testimony of Marita Lorenz, someone I've had the opportunity to meet and interview in person. I found her credible about most subjects and rather than lying would simply respond with a 'no-comment' or 'I'm not going there' on a few things. It is very damning to the idea there were not two 'Oswalds'. Rorke is also interesting, as he was well known to Tosh Plumlee [as were Marita and Fiorini]. Plumlee knew a lot of these people who knew one or both 'Oswalds'. Tosh even claims to have been in the same ONI training facility with one Oswald who he later met in Dallas. I've never gotten Plumlee to say yea or nay on the notion of two Oswalds....he may well know personally if there were two. Quote:Marita Lorenz also told the HSCA that American-born Lee Oswald was involved with anti-Castro mercenaries in the U.S. while Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald was in the Soviet Union, but, of course, the HSCA was more interested in discrediting her than in following up on her leads: Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jim Hargrove - 01-07-2015 Thanks, Peter. Since we've been discussing Garrison and his views on the two Oswalds, I wanted to post a one-page excerpt of the transcript now at the National Archives of a New Orleans conference, held on Sept. 21, 1968, which featured a very long round table discussion with Garrison, Turner, Fensterwald, Sprague, and, apparently, Bill Boxley. In the page that follows, F is Fensterwald, Box is Boxley, and G. is Garrison. The discussion about two Oswalds occurs in several places in the transcript and literally goes on for pages and pages. Anyone interested in reading the full document can download the Garrison 1 and Garrison 2 files at John's Baylor University collection. Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Peter Lemkin - 01-07-2015 That's quite fascinating.....Garrison was on to so very many essential things....that is why they 'shut him down' - along with his Shaw Trial [and much of the way that was done is now exposed in documents]. Truth is perhaps the MOST dangerous commodity around - and many have died or had their lives ruined for trying to get it out on important subjects. Hard Truths also attract a lot of trolls on internet forums - from the denier types that just can't go 'there' [where there is their own country doing evil things], to those who work with/for those who keep the evil untruths promulgated by challenging those who'd dare to question 'received history' of political events - more specifically Deep Political events, especially false-flag Deep Political events! I think that is why JA and his basic premise get so much flack. If he really were 'off the deep end' and in 'looney-tunes land' he'd not even be noticed, much less attacked as he is, and his well-documented and researched theory is. Even if one doesn't subscribe to the basic premise, one really has a lot of head scratching and thinking outside the 'propaganda box' to explain away all the anomalies and impossibilities. For me, his theory best explains the observed events and documentation now available. For the provocateurs any doubt will do - and they throw it with wild abandon hoping to make others doubt too. I only suggest any honest explorer of the case will read JA's book or look at his website [or this thread] and judge for yourself....were you told the truth about 'Oswald' by the 'authorities'...or were you lied to and misled every step of the way?! :: Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Albert Doyle - 01-07-2015 Just like Armstrong Garrison obviously had many sources. The deniers have quieted down while the evidence for Oswald doubles continues to flow like an unending spring. Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jim DiEugenio - 01-07-2015 Its important to remember that Boxley was a plant. But, he was a very good plant. So much so, that Garrison did not suspect him until Salandria exposed him. Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jim Hargrove - 01-07-2015 Yes, his disappearing act after Garrison and Salandria called him, and that unused apartment are telling. But my point was to show that Garrison felt quite at home discussing false Oswalds in public. And, of course, there is that famous quote from his memo to Lou Ivon:
If you really want to know what I think, it is that Robert Oswald knew this returning defector was not really Lee, and this is what Robert's problem was the night of the assassination when he found it necessary to take such a long drive to think things out. He knew things were far more complicated than they appeared on the surface.
Of course, if JA is right about the length of the double dealing, Robert may not have been as surprised as Mr. Garrison thought. Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Albert Doyle - 02-07-2015 The main witnesses acting under national security stand down orders or non-disclosure fits the evidence, as does the investigating bodies also covering-up under a similar premise. Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE? - Jim Hargrove - 02-07-2015 |