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Grassy knoll=diversion - Seamus Coogan - 31-05-2011 Bernice Moore Wrote:fwiw I did the best i could with trying to blow up and crop the back window of the lead car, i think it is the top, perhaps fringe of the flag on the left front fender of the xp 100...imo.. Cool and thanks for explanation vis a vis the flag. I'd suggest to anyone looking at it to take it down a frame size or two. It's pretty clear theres no gunman but there's likely a head possibly the back. Lets not get 'badgeman' on all this though lol! Grassy knoll=diversion - Betty Chruscielski - 01-06-2011 Albert Doyle Wrote:Seamus Coogan Wrote:I'm open to it in some ways but why am I not cool about putting a cardboard role up against a camera imitating a scope to me and using the Altgens photo as evidence (when it was on a totally lower elevation) is just plain stoopid. As for 180 degrees shooting archs and sniper angles where did you get that? Are you also saying the fatal head shot came from the Southside as well Al? What CIA hitman (often free lance or hired ie they're not quite as in-house as people think) would wanna take shot through a wind sheild with a low cal rifle? Nope I'm sticking with more or less to the Elm side of the Plaza. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vClwuJ0yuWM This is the video of the doctor who stated she put her finger through the hole in the windshield. Doug Weldon gave the taped interview of the autoworker who witnessed the windshield being worked on. How much evidence does one need? Grassy knoll=diversion - Bernice Moore - 05-04-2013 I came to post the link to the Dallas Underground Tunnels Site, but alas it appears to be gone again, it does have a history of such...you can do a search on a google and see for yourself, it was there, here is a link to a video concerning the same...fwiw...Jack Brazil and his men, as well as Penn Jones and some others were very correct...for now take care best b.. http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2011/mar/01/downtown-dallas-tunnels-crippled-city-center/ Grassy knoll=diversion - Bernice Moore - 05-04-2013 Here is a copied snaggled web post from times back, re information on the Dallas underground tunnels...for now..thanks b.. Dallas History Message Board "Small Army Mans Vast Underground of Dallas"(1947) Posted By: Jim Wheat
Date: Friday, 19 November 2004, at 3:27 p.m. In Response To: Dallas Underground Tunnels (Tait Lifto - http://www.dallastunnels.com)
. Small Army Mans Vast Underground of Dallas By Ben Bradford Dallas has a vast underground. ItÕs a little known world, made up of tunnels, basements, sub-basements, manhole vaults and sewers that catacomb the city. And, itÕs manned by a small army of men and women who make all or most of their living beneath the earthÕs surface. Few laymen know the enormity of the cityÕs underground. DallasÕ storm sewer system -- with some lines as much as sixteen feet in diameter -- would permit a man familiar with the system to travel beneath the surface to nearly any point in the downtown section and to many suburban areas. A steam locomotive operates daily under Young and Wood Streets, with its northern terminal directly under the second section of the Santa Fe Building on Jackson. Two large tunnels pass under Main and Akard Streets connecting the Hotel Adolphus and the Kirby and Magnolia Buildings. Most of the downtown streets and sidewalks are mere shells over these underground installations. Trackage Totals Two Miles. DallasÕ underground railroad, operated by Santa Fe, keeps six railroad men and around fifty dockhands under the ground most of each day. The locomotive dips under the earthÕs surface 300 yards south of Young Street and pushes along the main underground line to Jackson Street. A labyrinth of tunneled sidings boosts the lineÕs total trackage to around two miles. Each day, the little engine, in operation since 1924, when the tunnel was completed, chugs in and out of the tunnel -- unmindful of the heavy traffic above it -- with tons of merchandise for approximately a dozen Dallas firms with underground docks. Largest of Santa FeÕs underground customers is the Dallas Transfer & Terminal Warehouse Company. The engine operates with live steam, which is pumped into its tanks at intervals of from three to four hours. It can not produce its own steam because smoke would make the tunnel untenable. Cool in Summer, Says Worker. W. B. Nail, 49, who has played nursemaid to the little locomotive for the last five years, likes his underground job. ÒItÕs cool in the summer, and it never freezes in the winter,Ó he explained. The Dallas Power & Light Company, Southwestern Bell Telephone Company and Western Union went underground with their installations in the last half of the 1920Õs in an effort to clear downtown streets of telephone and power poles and a criss-crossed network of power lines. Now, there are 2,530 underground manhole vaults beneath the cityÕs streets and sidewalks. These vaults range from small 4x5-foot cubby-holes, to spaces as large as a big living room. The three companies keep a total of approximately eighty-five workers underground each day on maintenance work. 25 Years Spent Underground. O. J. Jones, 55, of 1413 Peabody, went underground as a DP&L cable splicer twenty-six years ago and has been on below-the-surface work ever since. He likes it. The grizzled, underground veteran puts it like this: ÒSome guys like the poles. But, pole work freezes a man in winter and roasts him in the summer. ItÕs always just about right in the vaults. Besides, I know a few guys thatÕve fallen off poles -- but, I never heard of anyone falling out of one of these holes.Ó Hundreds of persons are employed in the basements and sub-basements of the cityÕs large downtown buildings. Basement job holders range from power plant engineers to bank vault guards, bargain basement clerks and pastry chefs. The Hotel Adolphus employs 550 workers, 400 of them in the hotelÕs mammoth five-level basement that drops two complete stories below street level. In the various basements are the laundry, power plant, engineering department, bakery, butcher shop, storerooms, ice plant, artesian well, carpenter shop, paint shop, upholstery shop and merchandise receiving room. Office One of CityÕs Lowest. W. A. Griffith, 49, took over his job as operating engineer for the Hotel Adolphus five years ago. His office is in the fifth sub-basement, one of the lowest in the city. Although Griffith has gone as long as a week at a time without a glimpse of the sun during winterÕs short days, he insists he had just as soon work underground as above it. P. A. Ingels, a native of Belgium, and pastry chef for Hotel Adolphus since 1921, says heÕs none the worse for the twenty-six years heÕs spent in the hotel basement. ÒI guess itÕs all in what you get used to,Ó he said, adding, Òbut I do wish theyÕd hurry up with the air conditioning they say theyÕre going to put down here.Ó Felix Dyer, a retired Dallas policeman, who guards the First National BankÕs underground vault, says flatly, that underground work is better than pounding a beat all day. Miss Margueritte Chamberlain, who has had a basement job at the bank for the last three years, says she sees no difference between her job and one upstairs. Experts Currently at Work. Approximately sixty expert underground workers, many with extensive mining experience, are at work on the two major tunneling projects currently under way in the city. The McKenzie Construction Company of San Antonio is tunneling a 4,200-foot underground storm sewer in connection with the Central Boulevard project and the P. C. Sorenson Company of Dallas is at work on three large sewer tunnels, totaling around 1,000 feet on the east bank interceptor sewer project. At present, the Sorenson company is midway through with its tunnel under West Commerce between the Triple Underpass and Industrial. Underground laborers on the tunneling project receive $1.25 an hour -- 45¢ more than above-ground common labor. Veteran Miner Likes Work. G. S. Cross, the Sorenson companyÕs tunneling superintendent and veteran coal miner, has survived three mine cave-ins, but still likes his underground work. Thirty-five feet under the center of West Commerce last week, he picked up a handful of damp earth from the bank of earth his men were tunneling through, and said: ÒI reckon itÕs the challenge that I like about the underground work. ItÕs always you and your men against the tricky earth youÕre punching through.Ó Walter C. Brown, his burly swing-shift foreman, nodded agreement, then hopped nimbly out of the path of the donkey cart of dirt, a winch and cable was hauling to the tunnelÕs entrance. - July 27, 1947, The Dallas Morning News, Sec. IV, p. 1. [The article includes two photographs, one bearing the caption: ÒTunnel workers push a section of the east bank interceptor sewer thirty-five feet beneath West Commerce, between Industrial and Triple Underpass. Left to right: Cap Larsen, co-contractor on the project; J. A. Smith, laborer; K. R. Baker, city engineer; Walter C. Brown, swing-shift foreman; G. S. Cross, tunnel superintendent on the project, and Lynn Barner, laborer." the other photo, bears the caption: "W. R. Nail, assistant Santa Fe roundhouse foreman, is nursemaid to this odd-shaped underground locomotive which chugs busily beneath Dallas streets and buildings. The picture was made in the tunnel under the Santa Fe BuildingÕs second section." . Related article: ÒDallas Subway Already ExistsÓ January 7, 1965, The Dallas Morning Dallas Underground Tunnels http://dallashistory.org/phorum/read.php?2,22604,22604#msg-22604 what photos there were are also gone...darn, i did copy but mine are now gone also...:jawdrop: :jawdrop:i haven't a clue, sorry...b Grassy knoll=diversion - Magda Hassan - 05-04-2013 IS this it Bernice? https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?6193-Saint-Fletcher-the-Obscure/page9 Grassy knoll=diversion - Bernice Moore - 05-04-2013 Thanks Magna and thanks for the help in relogging..take care..b Grassy knoll=diversion - Bernice Moore - 05-04-2013 If interested in photos, of which there are plenty now, what a difference a year makes...google dallas tunnels under images... here are a few links some may find interesting...b http://www.nbcdfw.com/weather/stories/Downtown-Dallas-Beats-the-Heat-Underground-126282813.html Downtown Dallas Beats the Heat Underground... llaty leaders will soon consider a plan to bring businesses inside downtown tunnels to the sur WATCHDallas Tunnels Come Up For Air http://www.nbcdfw.com/weather/stories/Downtown-Dallas-Beats-the-Heat-Underground-126282813.html Downtown Dallas Beats the Heat Underground | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth Aug. 2011;;Workers in downtown Dallas are beating the triple-digit heat by going to ground -- underground. The tunnels, which were built 50 years ago to create a city within a city, were expanded in the 1970s and 1980s with the construction of large downtown office towers Walking under Dallas Texas.. http://leroy64.hubpages.com/hub/Walking-Under-Dallas-Texas Panoramio photos.. http://www.panoramio.com/photo/33707972 Grassy knoll=diversion - Bernice Moore - 05-04-2013 Here s a sideshow showing the Dallas Tunnels......I can imagine how cool they must be on a hot July afternoon........one bit of information i am somewhat surprised by as i have visited the links, is how many Dallas citizens exclaim that they have not been aware of them......yet they do go back many years,thanks b.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dfwcre8tive/sets/72157622055346282/ Dallas Pedestrian Network - a set on Flickr click sideshow on the right...b Grassy knoll=diversion - Bernice Moore - 06-04-2013 If interested here is Penn Jones pdf re his information on his drain adventures......also Greg Burnham's site link...http://jfktruth.org/drain/index.htm....... Magda the uploading of the Penn Jones pdf failed...perhaps you could help...hock:thanks..b Grassy knoll=diversion - Bernice Moore - 06-04-2013 Here are a few more photos re this subject also a copy paste from a lancer thread information fron Jerry Dealey about a knoll drain collapse in the 70's will attach the photo, also it includes the link to Mike Parks anti, sewer research which i feel is only fair..but keep in mind earlier in this thread the information that differs with his dimensions of the size of the drains...your choice of course...and a couple of others thanks...best b.........if any doubles please delete from files...thank you...i think the man in the drain with the white shirt may be rex bradford, does anyone know...also here is Jerry Dealey's information...b ''Richard, Go back and watch TMWKK carefully. They show him in the drain, and then walking off ON THE SIDEWALK. Then they cut to a walkable storm drain over BY THE TRINITY RIVER as the place they would come out. (I recall it was Walt Brown, but I could be mistaken.) I have been in that storm drain, and at the bottom there is about a 14-16" pipe (I added 2 inches). A person would have to snake through that across Elm, presumably on their belly. Remember also that it rained that morning. Some then venture that on the south side of Main the storm drains converge, and that THERE is a pipe large enough to crawl through (and I have NOT been down there). At least that is how it is today. Some will contend that they have rebuilt Dealey Plaza. I do know of one 'collapse' on the Grassy Knoll by the street, in the mid-70's, and this is the steroscopic photo they made of it before the repair. It was just a few feet west (toward the Underpass) of the drain, and they slightly altered the street when they repaired it.(I will attempt to attach it.) In fact, right here: http://www.jfklancer.com/draintn.html on JFK Lancer is the photos taken by Mike Parks in 1996. You can see down into the storm drain, and its position to the "X", etc'' |