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Don't Worry, The US Prisons Are In Good Hands....ha, ha, ha, ha! - Peter Lemkin - 08-06-2011 Private Prison Giant Hires Former Top Federal Official The nation's largest private prison company has hired the former head of the Federal Bureau of Prisons to a top executive position. Harley Lappin retired as the director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons last month. On Friday, the Corrections Corporation of America named Lappin its executive vice president and chief corrections officer. Lappin had stepped down as federal prison chief following his arrest for driving under the influence. A $1.6 billion company, the CCA has faced widespread allegations of prisoner mistreatment and negligence in the deaths or injuries of prisoners in its prisons and immigrant jails. :rofl: Don't Worry, The US Prisons Are In Good Hands....ha, ha, ha, ha! - James Lewis - 09-06-2011 Peter, this is a subject I happen to know a bit about. As a former corrections officer who used to work for CCA, I can testify to the fact that the Peter Principle (sorry about that, Peter) is alive and well in the private prison system. It's not that the conditions are that bad, they're no better or worse than most other prisons. The problem is that the bigwigs who run CCA and other private prison companies intend to do everything on a shoestring if at all possible. And if that means screwing over good officers, prisoners or anyone else who gets in the way of that goal, such is life. Don't Worry, The US Prisons Are In Good Hands....ha, ha, ha, ha! - Jan Klimkowski - 09-06-2011 James Lewis Wrote:As a former corrections officer who used to work for CCA, I can testify to the fact that the Peter Principle (sorry about that, Peter) is alive and well in the private prison system. It's not that the conditions are that bad, they're no better or worse than most other prisons. The problem is that the bigwigs who run CCA and other private prison companies intend to do everything on a shoestring if at all possible. And if that means screwing over good officers, prisoners or anyone else who gets in the way of that goal, such is life. James - given your experience, I'd be very interested in your insider perspective on the US prison system. As a documentary maker, I watch programmes such as NatGeo's "America's Hardest Prisons" and know both how they are made and their likely impact on viewers. How true to your own work experiences is the prison life described in such documentaries? Don't Worry, The US Prisons Are In Good Hands....ha, ha, ha, ha! - Seamus Coogan - 09-06-2011 Jan Klimkowski Wrote:James Lewis Wrote:As a former corrections officer who used to work for CCA, I can testify to the fact that the Peter Principle (sorry about that, Peter) is alive and well in the private prison system. It's not that the conditions are that bad, they're no better or worse than most other prisons. The problem is that the bigwigs who run CCA and other private prison companies intend to do everything on a shoestring if at all possible. And if that means screwing over good officers, prisoners or anyone else who gets in the way of that goal, such is life. Id be damn interested as well Jan. Don't Worry, The US Prisons Are In Good Hands....ha, ha, ha, ha! - James Lewis - 10-06-2011 Well, Jan, I can say that on the surface, what you see on NatGeo is pretty much on the mark as far as how things go on a day-to-day basis in most maximum security prisons. Rather dramatized, yes, but I understand that they have to have a "sizzle" factor for prime-time TV. What they don't show is the staggering incompetence and corruption that takes place in most prisons. It doesn't show the: Drug smuggling Officers shacking up with inmates Rampant incompetence among most high rank running prisons What I mentioned happens in pretty much all prisons, the only thing that's different is the degree to which it happens from prison to prison. Trust me when I tell you that the only thing that's preventing another Texas Seven from happening is the fact that the great majority of offenders actually want to get out, if only to do more dirt on the outside. Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against prisons - goodness knows we need them. And most of the people that work in prisons are good, hardworking people who don't get paid nearly enough to deal with the daily stress in the average prison, much less a max security unit. The major problem I have with prisons, is that there are too many of them. For that, we have the War On Drugs (which should be called The War on Some Drugs and Certain Types of Users), which isn't going away anytime soon, unfortunately. As long as we keep locking up 17-, 18-, and 19 year old's up for piddly drug offenses, and turning them into hardened criminals by the time they get out, our problem with this situation is only going to get worse. Just my two cents Don't Worry, The US Prisons Are In Good Hands....ha, ha, ha, ha! - Jan Klimkowski - 11-06-2011 James - thank you. Your answer is worth way more than "two cents". :thumbsup: You are of course correct that documentaries condense and heighten action for the "sizzle" factor. Or in TV grammar terms, to heighten the tension and sense of conflict. There's one NatGeo "Hardest Prisons" programme where the prison SWAT team is stomping down corridors and the camera catches the lead prison officer in the corner of frame several times, sipping his huge mug of coffee despite the supposed emergency situation. I can almost see the documentary director shouting: "Guys guys - back to your starting positions, we need to do that one more time. Really STOMP YOUR BOOTS AND BANG YOUR SHIELDS when you storm down the corridor!" One clear consequence of the "America's Hardest Prisons" type programmes is that they scare the law-abiding population shitless. Particularly with respect to ethnic gangs - there are several films which focus almost entirely on hispanic gangs. Equally it is abundantly clear - both from incidents in the documentaries such as prison officers and prisoners being slashed with home made shanks, and from your comments - that prisons are violent and dangerous places. Also that there are some individuals whose behaviour is so inherently violent - both to men and women - that they should not be walking the streets. James Lewis Wrote:What they don't show is the staggering incompetence and corruption that takes place in most prisons. It doesn't show the: I'm sure this is true. In England, many prison officers live in neighbourhoods near the prisons that they work in. They may even have gone to school with some of the inmates or their family. So it's relatively easy either to bribe or scare some officers to smuggle contrabrand in and messages out. Plus, as you say, "most of the people that work in prisons are good, hardworking people who don't get paid nearly enough to deal with the daily stress in the average prison, much less a max security unit." I can only imagine the stress involved in hearing those doors slam locked behind you as you enter the limbo, the purgatory, of a maximum security prison, knowing that many of the inmates will injure or even kill you given a chance, and prison economics mean that there may be half a dozen officers guarding a hundred or more potentially violent prisoners. Poor pay for an incredibly stressful job. Equally, talking to a couple of friends who've filmed in English prisons, the management appeared to both incompetent and shambolic - reinforcing your comments above. James Lewis Wrote:The major problem I have with prisons, is that there are too many of them. For that, we have the War On Drugs (which should be called The War on Some Drugs and Certain Types of Users), which isn't going away anytime soon, unfortunately. As long as we keep locking up 17-, 18-, and 19 year old's up for piddly drug offenses, and turning them into hardened criminals by the time they get out, our problem with this situation is only going to get worse. Just my two cents Absolutely. My strong sense is that young minor offenders ("scallywags") learn their place in the criminal food chain in their first visit to prison. The weakest are broken. The next weakest become footsoldiers - doing the bidding of stronger criminals. These "footsoldiers" spend their lives in and out of prison because they're continually rearrested for street level criminality and, unless they become career police informers (in which case they usually avoid jail time), they won't give up the names of their bosses because they're physically scared of the consequences. The stronger-minded young scallies are identified early in their prison time by the criminal fraternity and become hardened inside and groomed for progression in criminal organisations. So, yes, I agree that the consequences of jailing young men (primarily) for relatively minor drug offences are catastrophic - both for their lives and for the wider community. Don't Worry, The US Prisons Are In Good Hands....ha, ha, ha, ha! - Magda Hassan - 11-06-2011 Then there is the Finnish prison sytem http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/02/international/europe/02FINL.html Quote: Finnish Prisons: No Gates or Armed Guards Don't Worry, The US Prisons Are In Good Hands....ha, ha, ha, ha! - James Lewis - 11-06-2011 Ah, Magda...if only. Our prison system is so deeply based on a certain Puritan ethic of punishment, that only a miracle from God would change it. Plus, that ethic combined with some of our ridiculous drug laws serves another purpose. It cleanses the voting rolls of a large group of people (mainly young Black and Hispanic males) who otherwise wouldn't wouldn't vote for the conservative ruling class that we have in power now. It's not Jim Crow, but it's damn close, and a whole lot more insidious. Don't Worry, The US Prisons Are In Good Hands....ha, ha, ha, ha! - James Lewis - 11-06-2011 Jan, a big part of the problem that I forgot to mention is what I refer to as the dreaded "uniform disease". It happens when people who aren't used to having power over other people are suddenly granted a uniform and turn into God...or something like that. I partially attribute the spread of this disease to the TV show "Oz", wherby many new officers come into the system thinking that that's what prisons are really like. And then when it isn't, they tend to try to make it that way, usually resulting in unnecessary uses of force and the eventual loss of their jobs. And lest I forget, the disease tends to make some of the weaker-minded people who get it show a total lack of respect for anyone, especially an offender, who doesn't wear that exact same uniform, and even some who do. What they tend to forget is: There but for the grace of God go I, especially in this society. Don't Worry, The US Prisons Are In Good Hands....ha, ha, ha, ha! - Magda Hassan - 11-06-2011 James Lewis Wrote:Ah, Magda...if only. Our prison system is so deeply based on a certain Puritan ethic of punishment, that only a miracle from God would change it. Plus, that ethic combined with some of our ridiculous drug laws serves another purpose. It cleanses the voting rolls of a large group of people (mainly young Black and Hispanic males) who otherwise wouldn't wouldn't vote for the conservative ruling class that we have in power now. It's not Jim Crow, but it's damn close, and a whole lot more insidious.Yes, insidious. Odd but the Scandanavian states have also had a very austere Lutheran history not unlike Puritan England/US. Such different outcomes though. I think the key section is this: Quote:Finland, a relatively classless culture with a Scandinavian belief in the benevolence of the state and a trust in its civic institutions, is something of a laboratory for gentle justice. The kinds of economic and social disparities that can produce violence don't exist in Finland's welfare state society, street crime is low, and law enforcement officials can count on support from an uncynical public. |