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Explosion Norway - Jan Klimkowski - 30-07-2011 In the midst of the analysis below, note the claim that Ruslan Berenis is "the decendant of Hitler's North Caucasian mountaineers". Quote:NB. So, in essence, post-Nazism is Nazism minus Antisemitism?Source. Explosion Norway - Magda Hassan - 30-07-2011 Also Valery Lunev wife who is the relative of Dzhokhar Dudayev. He (Dzhokhar) was born in the Autonymous Soviet Socialist Republic of Chechen-Ingush. The republic was abolished shortly after his birth there and the whole population was exiled to Kazakhstan because of their collaboration with the Nazis, at least amongst many, who assisted in showing them access to the oil fields of Azerbaijan. The former territory was divided between Georgia, Dagestan and North Ossetia. Hence the seeds of today's Georgian conflicts. The republic was restored by Kruschev in 1957 and the population allowed to return. Explosion Norway - Jan Klimkowski - 30-07-2011 Shades of Permindex and de Mohrenschildt..... Explosion Norway - Magda Hassan - 30-07-2011 And if I recall correctly De Morenschildt was, coincidentally, from Belorus as was Oswald's sojourn in the then USSR. I'm still trying to work out the lay of the land with regards to military style training camps there which certainly exist but who runs them? 400 people were arrested there yesterday. It is in the process of being destabilised. Has been for several years now bur there looks to be a more serious effort going on this time. Lukashenko is old school soviet and there is still collective farms and such operating there in much of the land. One reason for the destabilisation. Privitisation calls... Explosion Norway - Danny Jarman - 30-07-2011 All so confusing....but I suppose that's how it's meant to be Explosion Norway - Jan Klimkowski - 30-07-2011 Magda Hassan Wrote:And if I recall correctly De Morenschildt was, coincidentally, from Belorus as was Oswald's sojourn in the then USSR. Maybe coincidence, maybe not. Belarus or Belorussia is the area that White Russians ("White Ruthenia", 'White Rus') hail from. De Morenschildt was born in Mazyr (Mozyr), in what was then Tsarist Russia and is now Belarus, to a wealthy White Russian family. His father was arrested by the Bolsheviks shortly after the Russian Revolution and sent to Siberia, but escaped in the early 1920s. The Aufbau Vereinigung was a White Russian movement based in Berlin, active from around 1918, and, according to Michael Kellogg's The Russian Roots of Nazism White Émigrés and the Making of National Socialism, 19171945, had a significant impact on Nazi and Hitler's thinking. Many White Russians joined forces with the Nazis during WW2 to "fight Soviet communism". Post-WW2, many ended up in Gehlen's intelligence organisation or were resettled in America and parts of western Europe. The Russian Orthodox church is still dominant in Belarus, and some of its offshoot churches are, notoriously, the cover for those pesky wandering bishops that keep on making appearances during the JFK assassination. Magda Hassan Wrote:I'm still trying to work out the lay of the land with regards to military style training camps there which certainly exist but who runs them? 400 people were arrested there yesterday. It is in the process of being destabilised. Has been for several years now bur there looks to be a more serious effort going on this time. Lukashenko is old school soviet and there is still collective farms and such operating there in much of the land. One reason for the destabilisation. Privitisation calls... Magda - please carry on digging. The Far West material strongly suggests that developed and disciplined intelligence and military structures in former USSR republics such as Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states survive, but are now being used for fundamentally different agendas. Explosion Norway - Ed Jewett - 30-07-2011 Jan Klimkowski Wrote:[quote=Magda Hassan] And then teach a class on how it is done... Explosion Norway - Magda Hassan - 31-07-2011 Jan Klimkowski Wrote:The Far West material strongly suggests that developed and disciplined intelligence and military structures in former USSR republics such as Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states survive, but are now being used for fundamentally different agendas.For me it represents not so much a surviving intelligence structure of the former USSR as an outside one (stay behind network?) that was perhaps run parallel to it under cover of the USSR intel apparatus and was used to undermine and destroy the USSR at the right time of their making. Valery Lunev created and ran the separatist Tajikstan People's Liberation Front. Dzhokhar Dudayev, into whose family Lunev married, was stationed in Estonia in the 1980's to 90's and in charge of the air force there (and it's nuclear weapons) and refused to carry out orders basically deserting his post. All the Ukrainians in Far West are Banderites. Quote:However, Lunev is not only a specialist on Central Asia and "radical solutions." He is also a high-class military-political analyst and consummate organization man. From what we know, his activities in the FarWest Dubai office have the blessings of President Lukashenko, who apparently values Lunev and FarWest as his back channel for a dialog and deal-making with the right-wing Republicans and neocons in the United States, not to mention "gray" and "black" arms trafficking which is another of Lunev's specialties. Okay. Looks like Lukashenko has given Lunev the run of the place for his military training camps. So, Far West in the form of Lunev and the present Belorus government are okay with each other. For the time being at least. All the organised protest must be happening through other western channels. Explosion Norway - Peter Lemkin - 31-07-2011 Just some speculation [at this point]. Such structures out of Belarus and the 'stans' likely are remnants of the old intelligence structures AND their off-the-shelf operations from Soviet times. They may have had a parallel structure to 'Gladio' in the West; as a 'Sovieto' in the East. Whatever their origins or current formation, they are likely being used now by both 'sides' [always false sides anyway]. They could do operations for their own purposes [and the wishes of those that employ them/pay them/desire their structure to remain]. Or, they could do false flag or false flag false flag ops for the 'other sides' - either for pay, payment in kind, or return favors by the other side against their society. From my experience with the equivalent in the 'West' the players themselves rarely have committed political or social views - they are hired hands in a very dirty game and only in it for the money and the preservation of themselves - not of any political structures. The next layers up, who direct them, may well have political and financial objectives - but they may well not be in sync with the 'partyline' of the government they seem to be a part of. It is well known that many officers and mechanics of the former Soviet intelligence apparatus sold their services, or re-enlisted in the Western ones at the end of the Cold War. These apparent tangled structure[s] may be a mix of that plus holding fast to the former structures. More than anything it may be a structure tucked into some former Soviet states, now independent, but in actuality intelligence for hire.....each mission going to the highest financial or political bidder. angryfire Lastly we know that much of the 'White' Russian structures in the 'West' after and during WWII were pro-Nazi and may have well remained of that ilk in the 'East' through that period and to the present. [i.e. they may well have had a lot of common political and sociopolitical ground with their 'western' counterparts in intelligence]. Explosion Norway - Jan Klimkowski - 31-07-2011 Magda, Peter - this is why it is so complicated. This is also where the Evica-Drago both and model shines insightful light. In another thread, Charles wrote: Charles Drago Wrote:As I've previously referenced, the supra-national and supra-ideological forces that struck JFK also transcend time, place, and contemporary agenda. George Michael Evica referred to the individuals who embodied these forces as the "masters who were above Cold War differences." The Mechanic - Facilitator - Sponsor model is also crucial in understanding the Utoya atrocity. Here is my current judgement on available, but strictly limited, evidence: Breivik is a Mechanic. The leads implicating Johnny "Mad Dog" Adair in alleged association with Breivik are probably psyop disinformation, to throw the scent but give MSM some "red meat". Far West may be Facilitators. As may British SIS, or cells within SIS or military intelligence. False Sponsors and False Facilitators probably include the English Defence League and Mossad. The True Sponsors are most likely Evica's "masters who were above Cold War differences." |