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Two contrived histories combine to insulate America from the truth about Obama - Albert Doyle - 16-08-2011

That would be something if Obama really was born overseas but was given a special dispensation as the son of an active CIA operative that couldn't be admitted.


Two contrived histories combine to insulate America from the truth about Obama - Gary Severson - 17-08-2011

Geez Ed, I'm sure surprised you care so much about Indonesian communists and like to smear Obama so much. So much for the integrity/credibility of your famous bibliography.


Two contrived histories combine to insulate America from the truth about Obama - Magda Hassan - 17-08-2011

Ed and others posts do not necessarily reflect any thing about themselves other than a desire to offer information of interests to others. Obviously Obama was a child when the mass assassinations of the PKI cadres happened, even if his mother and step father were complicit in such an event. As if the event were not bad enough there is an historical white wash of it. If you have an issue with the research as presented I'd take that up with Wayne Madsen not Ed.


Two contrived histories combine to insulate America from the truth about Obama - Ed Jewett - 17-08-2011

Gary Severson Wrote:Geez Ed, I'm sure surprised you care so much about Indonesian communists and like to smear Obama so much. So much for the integrity/credibility of your famous bibliography.

The bibliography is a list of books; as such, it has its own integrity and credibility. [Has it been posted here in its entirety? Have you seen it in its entirety?] You (and anyone else) are free to judge that in its totality when you have read them in their totality. Your attempt, however, to smear my integrity and credibility is evident and noted. Whatever my integrity and credibility may be will also be evident when you have read everything I've written or posted in the last little while, when you have some sense of what I went through about three to six years ago, and what I have dealt with since then. From your distance, to be casting aspersions seems to mark your integrity and credibility more than mine.

Would it help if I cede the position of "most knowledgeable about Marx, Marxism, socialism"? I stand ready to do that (especially if it doesn't mean I haven't read a thing or two, or intend not to continue reading).

Otherwise, I would continue to inquire openly as to your intent.


Two contrived histories combine to insulate America from the truth about Obama - Gary Severson - 17-08-2011

Ed, your #9 & 10 posts seem to indicate you are on board with attempts to paint the POTUS as a Muslim & a non-citizen of the US. My comment about your biblio. is that if you are engaged in the smear campaign against Obama your biblio. didn't prevent your hopping on such a 1/2 baked bandwagon. You yourself said 2 days ago you don't engage in violent discussion. I don't know what your # 9 & 10 posts are if not violent discussion.


Two contrived histories combine to insulate America from the truth about Obama - Magda Hassan - 17-08-2011

Gary, these are not Ed's words any more than things I have posted by Anders Breivik are mine. As I said, take it up with Wayne Madsen.


Two contrived histories combine to insulate America from the truth about Obama - Gary Severson - 17-08-2011

Hmm, let's see when I use that defense about posts I make quoting AGW scientists it is allowed that "their logic is my logic". "Logic doesn't have an owner" as was stated as a rebuttal to my contention that it wasn't my logic that was bad since I was just providing certain info. about AGW. If the logic was bad it had to be established climatologists whose logic was bad not mine. Why doesn't admin. come to the defense of everyone, instead of those only who hold like beliefs, when this posting dynamic surfaces? As a result I had to assume that this site agrees that a post is a post is a post & there are no qualifications. I was wrong.


Two contrived histories combine to insulate America from the truth about Obama - Ed Jewett - 17-08-2011

Gary Severson Wrote:Ed, your #9 & 10 posts seem to indicate you are on board with attempts to paint the POTUS as a Muslim & a non-citizen of the US. My comment about your biblio. is that if you are engaged in the smear campaign against Obama your biblio. didn't prevent your hopping on such a 1/2 baked bandwagon. You yourself said 2 days ago you don't engage in violent discussion. I don't know what your # 9 & 10 posts are if not violent discussion.

You have conflated my words; I think you need to go back and re-construct your line of bread crumb-y thinking and find the exact phrasing and quotation where I said I did not engage in "violent discussion". I turned away from physical violence as it was taught to me by the United States Army officers from within the Green Berets. I turned away from opting to stay in ROTC to become a second lieutenant in the United States Army (and whatever that might have entailed)(likely either being on point in the jungle, or getting fragged, or otherwise coming home in a box). I was lated classified 1-Y due to the presence of a post-trauma arthritic knee that also helped end a job as a firefighter, but I stayed in the ambulance business. Sue me for choosing life and a career in saving lives. There was noting in there about turning away from discussion nor in deciding not to use some violence in discussion as necessary to defend myself. There was nothing in the posts or the bibliography or its books that prevent me from calling attention to issues I think need attention. If you have any sense of what those books are about or what they convey (instead of talking out the lower end of your tube), they are about learning to pay attention.

I am (and that's all in the bibliography as well) a student of the art and discipline of aikido. A slow detour into open heart surgery to repair a faulty aortic valve prevented me from continuing the physical practice; the stroke I experienced during that surgery probably prevented me from returning to it. However, that did not stop me from reading and understanding the philosophy of the art/discipline. The culmination of it is "The Art of Peace" by Morihei Ueshiba, and along the way are books by and about Terry Dobson, Richard Strozzi Heckler, Wendy Palmer and others. Palmer's "The Intuitive Body" and "The Practice of Freedom", and Heckler's "Holding the Center: Sanctuary in a Time of Confusion (Writings on Place, Community and Body)" are, IMHO, especially good. They have lead to further purchases of books on somatics. Like it or not, we are sacks of flesh and bone, with a brain and a hormonal system that drive emotion. One can learn to control, understand and harness emotion, but one cannot eliminate its presence and role in our lives; thus, the passion for reason and intellect as sole arbiters of judgment is misplaced, and the drive for "reason", "enlightment", etc. must necessarily hop about on one leg.

Your comment about "the half-baked wagon" demonstrates your judgment, but not your openness to an examination of what evidence there may be. You are certainly entitled to be an Obama fan.

Wayne Madsen was challenged previously, and I wrote to him, inviting him to respond and to look in on the thread in question; a copy of the invitation (and his response) were copied to the DPF administrator. He is a public entity with a public web site; you are free to write him there.

With regard to Obama's history (especially in Indonesia), John Pilger has also done some investigative work. The use of anthropology and sociology as weapons of war is also noted in several places. The use of death squads has occurred in many locations around the world in the last ten decades. The ability of the CIA to form, formulate, hide and create identities and get them across national borders is legendary and proven.

Once again, I ask openly for all to see: What is your intent here in pursuing me? Were you deputized in the thought and belief police squads? Or have I touched a nerve somewhere and discovered something you don't want others to know? You seem to have stepped in where someone else left off. Is this going to be an online randori? Will there be further personal intimidation, attacks on reputation, etc.? Am I or others personally at risk here?


Two contrived histories combine to insulate America from the truth about Obama - Gary Severson - 17-08-2011

I know you said someplace you weren't going to engage in violent sorts of discussion. It will take me a few days to wade through your voluminous posts to find it. Just because someone disagrees with your approach you insinuate they have an ulterior motive as in "agent provocateur". You're the one that makes a big deal about having some esoteric knowledge gleaned from your book list. I already said I am in psynch with the ideas espoused there. That isn't good enough as long as I contend there are other ways to look at the book's ideas. You're not the only one who has gone through a lot in life and has had to dig deep to survive and end up a better person. I agree it is commendable that you have put together a philosophy that is important in its insights.

Don't suggest that because I use the term 1/2 baked that it means I don't appreciate what intell. opps are capable of. My comment was that your posts, 9 & 10, whether they're your's or not, insinuate too much that Obama is a plant of some sort just like you insinuate I am.


Two contrived histories combine to insulate America from the truth about Obama - Ed Jewett - 18-08-2011

Let me simplify your wading, Gary. We have here a search mechanism into which you can put my name and the words violent discussion... I did that search with the words separated. I'll leave it to you to find the place where they are joined.

I looked up the definition of "esoteric": "Intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest."

Esoterisicm is 1. "the holding of secret doctrines; the practice of limiting knowledge to a small group. 2. an interest in items of a special, rare, novel, or unusual quality"


If I self-published the stuff and shared it widely, there is or was or can be no secrecy, even if there is limited interest among people in learning how to excel. I did share it; I remember carting the three-ring binders in a bag across the diamond to a baseball coach who said "This isn't about x's and o's, is it? i.e., You're not going to try to teach me about how to coach baseball, are you?"

If the bibliography has been published online, there is no attempt to hide it. If a lot of the books come from the rapidly-developing fields of the cognitive sciences (we had a decade of the brain recently), then it's not about spirituality, it's about synapses and hormones and practice and training.

If one can begin with 10th grade students, then it isn't intended for a small group of people with specialized interest or knowledge.

As for insinuating that you are a plant, I've done no such thing. I get that you are a mineral or some sort, perhaps a silicate, maybe an abrasive; I just don't know if you are going for grinding, or for finishing.

If you'd like to suggest an additional source through which the author puts forth a functional and applicable method to achieve personal excellence, I'm open to hearing it.

If you want to collect and publish your own approach, you probably already know how to do that.