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The driver Greer did not do it. - Magda Hassan - 05-09-2011
Dear all, given the disruption of the last couple of days due to the delusional insistence of one ill informed former member who pushed the 'Greer did it' line :bike: I thought it a worthwhile exercise to lay out in one thread how the evidence does not support such a conclusion.
This will also serve to educate new comers who may be seduced by the theory at first glance. Over to you JFK guys and gals......post away :cheer:
The driver Greer did not do it. - Charles Drago - 05-09-2011
Magda Hassan Wrote:Dear all, given the disruption of the last couple of days due to the delusional insistence of one ill informed former member who pushed the 'Greer did it' line I thought it a worthwhile exercise to lay out in one thread how the evidence does not support such a conclusion.
Over to you JFK guys......post away :cheer:
Magda,
It is almost certain that the Greer-did-it "theory" in fact originated as a disinformation operation. There is no imaginable innocent explanation for it other than psychosis.
Enemy action, pure and simple.
My friend and partner, please permit me to take strong issue with you on the description of "Prichard" as "delusional" and "ill-informed." In so doing, you are letting a disinformation entity off the hook.
As I pointed out on another DPF thread -- https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5185-ROBERT-HANSON-Anatomy-of-a-Disinformationalist/page4 -- I have very good reason to argue that "Edward Prichard" is an identity used by the entity that also presents itself as "Robert Hanson" and that once before infiltrated DPF (below in bold).
This same entity carried on its disinformation mission by fabricating on another forum quotes attributed to me (again, see below in bold) and relating to the Greer-did-it disinformation.
Thanks for creating this thread. Let's use what happened here over the past couple of days as a basis for discussion not just of the absurdity of the Greer business, but also of how disinformation operations can be mounted.
My compliments to all who, with me, saw through "Prichard" and stood for the truth.
Here is my earlier post:
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"Prichard" is "Hanson" -- an entity assigned to disrupt and mislead.
Its previous attempts to do so here under the "Hanson" identity were rebuffed. It was sent packing. It surfaced on another Internet site and fabricated quotes over my signature.
Visit http://www.disclose.tv/forum/jackie-...0.html#p429358
There you will see the following post from me:
To Whom It May Concern:
On page 13 of the DRIVER KILLED KENNEDY thread, the message posted on Sun, December 5, 2010 12:31 am by 7forever over my signature is a FORGERY.
In my capacity as owner and founder of Deep Politics Forum, I previously had exposed a not-so-cleverly written fabrication by one Robert Hanson in which he falsified the historical record to attempt to defend his indefensible "driver did it" position.
My original expose has been altered -- by Hanson and/or parties unknown -- to make it appear that I endorse his lies and distortions.
To the moderators and owners of this website: Please make note of the IP address from which this post originates. It is the ONLY address from which I will post on this forum. You will discover that it is not the address from which the forgery originated.
Be advised that I shall seek all available remedies should additional forgeries over my signature appear here or anywhere else.
Charles R. Drago
Co-founder, co-owner
Deep Politics Forum
Then go to the sixth post down on page 13 of that site to see how "Hanson" doctored my DPF words offered as the initial post on the thread found here:
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums...formationalist
Compare the two and witness the lies and disinformation tactics of "Pritchard/Hanson".
The driver Greer did not do it. - Bernice Moore - 05-09-2011
I THINK WE SHOULD USE THE SS OWN WORDS....''WE DIDN'T DO ANY OF THE SHOOTING..FROM NEWCOMB AND ADAMS, KELLERMAN DID STATE THESE WORDS, BUT IN DESCRIBING, THAT AFTER THE THIRD SHOT, A FLURRY OF SHOTS CAME INTO THE LIMO......Mr. SPECTER. As you are positioning yourself in the witness chair, your =
right hand is up with the finger at the ear level as if clutching from =
the right of the head; would that be an accurate description of the =
position you pictured there?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. Good. There was enough for me to verify that the man =
was hit. So, in the same motion I come right back and grabbed the =
speaker and said to the driver, "Let's get out of here; we are hit," and =
grabbed the mike and I said, "Lawson, this is Kellerman,"--this is =
Lawson, who is in the front car. "We are hit; get us to the hospital =
immediately." Now, in the seconds that I talked just now, a flurry of =
shells come into the car. I then looked back and this time Mr. Hill, who =
was riding on the left front bumper of our followup car, was on the back =
trunk of that car; the President was sideways down into. the back seat.
The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link =
attachments:
Shortcut to: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/beliefs.htm
ASAIC (#3) of WHD Roy H. Kellerman and SA William R. Greer:
"there have got to be more than three shots, gentleman." [among other provocative things said to the Warren Commission on 3/9/64: 2 H 78] "Well [laughs] we didn't do any of the shooting. I think they'll be talking about this assassination 100 years from now [regarding the Warren Report] That's the way I'd keep it." [Kellerman interviewed on Canada's CFTR radio in 1976, responding to the allegations---from Newcomb & Adams--- that one of the agents from the front seat fired the fatal shot!]
The driver Greer did not do it. - Bernice Moore - 05-09-2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0&feature=related
here is the zappy explained and slowly showing what greer and kellerman did and did not do, during frames 312...313...by Bob harris.....thank you sir..
The driver Greer did not do it. - Peter Lemkin - 05-09-2011
Personally, I don't even like to waste my time and energy on things like this....it would be like spending time refuting a 'theory' claimed as 'valid' that two marshmallow dirigibles hit the WTC towers. It simply did not happen. NO one in the car saw or heard it. No one on the streets watching [some just yards/meters away] saw or heard it. There is no photo evidence of it [except dodgy altered photo 'evidence']. To the best of my memory this knowing disinformation/confusion/muddy the waters campaign began about the same time as the lead up to the film JFK...as did many other such. Now that the 50th is approaching they are dragging out all the old dead horses and opening the stable door for new invented lies. :kraka: There is not one shred of valid evidence for this ever having happened and a multitude of evidence [photo / eye-witness / ear-witness / logical] that show it could NOT have happened. It is also not logical to attempt anything like that..and I think that is what the formulators of this lie want...people rallying around a 'theory' that on its face is absurd - to discredit those who don't believe the official [false lone-nut/ Oswald was not Intel/Oswald was not a patsy/magic bullet theory] and those who might believe the truth. Let this bullshit die an ignoble death....as it deserves :loco: It was put here [at least twice] on our Forum to discredit us and the valid evidence we have presented and believe in on the matter of Dallas. F*** 'em with their lies - knowing lies and disinformation. This theory does not attempt to approximate nor plumb the truth - quite the opposite! It is NOT a valid nor credible alternative. It is pure disinformation and disruption. Don't step in it!!!!!!
The driver Greer did not do it. - LR Trotter - 05-09-2011
Myself, not being a researcher but a student of the JFK assassination research, I believe helps me keep an open mind in considering what happened and didn't happen on 11/22/'63. I'm reminded of attending a book signing by Nellie Connally a few years back, and once again she told about her experience. I am convinced, if William Greer fired a gun she would have known it and would have shared that information. I was about 10 feet from her when she responded to questions, by others, about the shooting, and to me it sounded like she was repeating a many times told story as she remembered it. Whether or not the driver responded as he should have, it's very easy to overlook how short of a time span contained the assassination, and the fact that bullets have just struck the U S President and the Texas Governor. And, it appears that a bullet, or something struck the windshield that was surely noticed by Mr Greer and Mr Kellerman as well.
The driver Greer did not do it. - Greg Burnham - 05-09-2011
If one observes a good copy of the Zapruder frame in question it can be noticed that at the time of the head shot that not only is KELLERMAN's forehead the alleged "gun" in GREER's left hand, but one can also see Greer's real left hand still on the steering wheel at approximately the 8:00 o'clock position. Because most people tend to be visual, this should help clear up any honest misconceptions.
One signature of deliberate disinformation is found in its immediate purpose, which is manifest in an unexpected way, that being DISRUPTION for its own sake. Its purpose is to suck up energy and waste time going around in circles. Its driving force is not discovering the truth, but rather further obfuscation of it. It has no conscience. It is all quantitative; all volume and mass, without a vector. It cares not "where" it begins as it cares not where it ends up so long as it continues to disrupt.
The driver Greer did not do it. - Gary Severson - 05-09-2011
Greg Burnham Wrote:If one observes a good copy of the Zapruder frame in question it can be noticed that at the time of the head shot that not only is KELLERMAN's forehead the alleged "gun" in GREER's left hand, but one can also see Greer's real left hand still on the steering wheel at approximately the 8:00 o'clock position. Because most people tend to be visual, this should help clear up any honest misconceptions.
One signature of deliberate disinformation is found in its immediate purpose, which is manifest in an unexpected way, that being DISRUPTION for its own sake. Its purpose is to suck up energy and waste time going around in circles. Its driving force is not discovering the truth, but rather further obfuscation of it. It has no conscience. It is all quantitative; all volume and mass, without a vector. It cares not "where" it begins as it cares not where it ends up so long as it continues to disrupt.
Paranoia Greg, it is more complex than that. A major indictment of American public education is that it doesn't teach students to deal with ambiguity. Students are always taught to think in linear terms which leads to assuming there is a facile black & white answer to be arrived at. As a result we have an adult population that doesn't have the patience to deal with questions that they think have cut & dried answers. They then think others that are honestly searching to exhaust all possibilities about an issue are disinfo. agents. Yes, I'm sure there are purposeful disruptors but there aren't boogeymen under every bed.
The driver Greer did not do it. - Seamus Coogan - 05-09-2011
Greg Burnham Wrote:One signature of deliberate disinformation is found in its immediate purpose, which is manifest in an unexpected way, that being DISRUPTION for its own sake. Its purpose is to suck up energy and waste time going around in circles. Its driving force is not discovering the truth, but rather further obfuscation of it. It has no conscience. It is all quantitative; all volume and mass, without a vector. It cares not "where" it begins as it cares not where it ends up so long as it continues to disrupt.
Definitely. I also don't know if these schmucks know they are disinfo or not. Some do and some don't.
The driver Greer did not do it. - Gary Severson - 05-09-2011
Having said the above does anyone have access to video that I saw someplace this Spring that shows Greer turning another time only this time his left hand is shown starting by his left knee & moving to a position under is right elbow. There appeared to be an object in his left hand. It likely wouldn't have been visible to the Connellys. I'm thinking I saw this in association with D. Hornes research & may be why he goes out on a limb & says he is open to the possibility that Greer made a shot. Didn't Greer turn around at least 2 or 3 times?