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Yeah, sure, Milliband nominated for Transparency and Open Government award. - Magda Hassan - 05-02-2009 US Threats Mean Evidence of British Resident's Guantánamo Torture Must Stay Secret, Judges Rule Tory MP David Davis demands urgent Commons statement on MI5 role in Binyam Mohamed case by Richard Norton-Taylor Evidence of how a British resident held in the Guantánamo Bay detention camp was tortured, and what MI5 knew about it, must remain secret because of serious threats the US has made against the UK, the high court ruled today. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton® and British Foreign Secretary David Miliband shake hands after speaking to the press at the State Department in Washington. Clinton said Tuesday the US-British special relationship "really stands the test of time."(AFP/Nicholas Kamm) The judges made clear they were deeply unhappy with their decision, but said they had no alternative as a result of a statement by David Miliband, the foreign secretary, that if the evidence was disclosed the US would stop sharing intelligence with Britain. That would directly threaten the UK's national security, Miliband had told the court.This afternoon David Davis, the Conservative MP and former shadow home secretary, said ministers must urgently respond to the allegations that Britain was complicit in torture. He demanded a Commons statement from the government on the ruling, calling it "a matter of utmost national importance". Davis said: "The ruling implies that torture has taken place in the [Binyam] Mohamed case, that British agencies may have been complicit, and further, that the United States government has threatened our high court that if it releases this information the US government will withdraw its intelligence cooperation with the United Kingdom. "The judge rules that there is a strong public interest that this information is put in the public domain even though it is politically embarrassing." He told the BBC: "The government is going to have to do some pretty careful explaining about what's going on." The ruling, by Lord Justice Thomas and Mr Justice Lloyd Jones, was the latest from a long-running and unprecedented series of court hearings into the abduction of Binyam Mohamed, who was seized and held incommunicado in Pakistan in 2002 before being secretly rendered to Morocco, where he says he was tortured. He was subsequently flown to Afghanistan before being rendered to Guantánamo Bay. Today's ruling comes after the judges last year invited the Guardian and other media groups to question earlier claims by Miliband that the disclosure of evidence, originally contained in documents given to him by the US government, would threaten the UK's national security. ***************************************************************************** Does anything 'Intelligent' come out of the US government these days anyway and why would the UK want their putrid disinformation? Much more likely the UK is complicit and wants to keep that secret. Yeah, sure, Milliband nominated for Transparency and Open Government award. - Peter Lemkin - 05-02-2009 Just letting you know who is 'boss' and that you must do as we say and not as we do - and certainly not as you yourselves want [or are required by law or morality] to do! Yeah, sure, Milliband nominated for Transparency and Open Government award. - Simon Westly - 05-02-2009 I like David Wright Miliband. If you look carefully at the smile he is giving to Mr. Hilary Clinton, it is just possible to see Tony Blair rippling below the surface. Besides, as poodle's and other patting pets go Miliband "stands the test of time" that is required by the Special Relationship. Yeah, sure, Milliband nominated for Transparency and Open Government award. - Jan Klimkowski - 05-02-2009 Peter Lemkin Wrote:Just letting you know who is 'boss' and that you must do as we say and not as we do - and certainly not as you yourselves want [or are required by law or morality] to do! Whilst this is true, there are also provocative suggestions that this is all a cover story to disguise British Intelligence knowledge of, and perhaps complicity in, the American-sanctioned torture. Yeah, sure, Milliband nominated for Transparency and Open Government award. - Magda Hassan - 06-02-2009 Quote:Besides, as poodle's and other patting pets go Miliband "stands the test of time" that is required by the Special Relationship. Can't be that special though as both Britain and the US keeping telling us Australians they we also have a Special Relationship. Two timers. Yeah, sure, Milliband nominated for Transparency and Open Government award. - Simon Westly - 06-02-2009 [quote=Magda Hassan] Quote:Two timers. Two timers yes, but only in the sense that ladies who work in bordellos are two timers. Yeah, sure, Milliband nominated for Transparency and Open Government award. - Magda Hassan - 06-02-2009 Ladies in Bordellos? Never! However, the women that work in bordellos are saints for what they do and underpaid for the most. It's a workplace. There may be special arrangements but no special relationships. Yeah, sure, Milliband nominated for Transparency and Open Government award. - Magda Hassan - 07-02-2009 I think I am beginning to understand this Special Relationship. It means that the US can kidnap any UK citizen it likes and the UK get to just put up with it. I suppose that is special after all. On the other hand what also makes it special is that the UK can have a quiet word with the US and unofficially request that one or two or perhaps more of their citizens be 'kidnapped' by the US as long as the 'intelligence' delivered by those kidnapped is shared. That seems fair. :marchmellow: Yeah, sure, Milliband nominated for Transparency and Open Government award. - Magda Hassan - 08-02-2009 UK suppressed torture evidence to protect MI6
Material in a CIA dossier on Binyam Mohamed that was blacked out by High Court judges last week contained details of how MI6 supplied information to his captors and contributed questions as he was tortured. Intelligence sources said spy chiefs put pressure on Foreign Secretary David Miliband to do nothing that would leave serving MI6 officers open to prosecution. Nor do they want him to jeopardise relations with the CIA, which is passing on "top-notch" information about British terrorist suspects. Mr Mohamed, 30, an Ethiopian, was granted refugee status in Britain in 1994. He was arrested in Pakistan in 2002 on suspicion of involvement in terrorism, taken to Morocco and Afghanistan, tortured and then sent to Guantanamo Bay in 2004. All terrorism charges against him were dropped last year. Last week, two High Court judges said they wanted to release the contents of a CIA file on his treatment. However, they withheld seven paragraphs after Mr Miliband argued it could compromise the sharing of intelligence with the US. A British official, who is regularly briefed on intelligence operations, said: "The concern was that the document revealed that intelligence from the British agencies was used by the Americans and that there were British questions asked while Binyam Mohamed was being tortured. Miliband is being pushed hard by the intelligence agencies to protect the identity of those involved." The 25 lines edited out of the court papers contained details of how Mr Mohamed's genitals were sliced with a scalpel. It featured other torture methods so extreme that waterboarding, the controversial technique of simulated drowning, "is very far down the list of things they did", the official said. Another source familiar with the case said: "British intelligence officers knew about the torture and didn't do anything about it. They supplied information to the Americans and the Moroccans. They supplied questions, they supplied photographs. There is evidence of all of that." David Davis, the former shadow home secretary who first highlighted the case, said: "What has become clear is that the information being held back is not protecting the American Government, who have made a clean breast of their involvement in torture, but the British Government, where at least two cabinet ministers have denied any complicity whatsoever. It is very clear who stands to be embarrassed by this and who is being protected by this secrecy. It is not the Americans, it is Labour ministers." The full document on Mr Mohamed could still emerge as President Barack Obama is under pressure from the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee to release the unedited report. The Attorney-General, Baroness Scotland, is considering whether British intelligence officers can be charged. Mr Mohamed's lawyer, Clive Stafford-Smith, offered to supply the Attorney-General with his files of evidence in December, but he has had no reply. He condemned the Government's attitude as "an attempt to define as classified that which is merely politically embarrassing". http://www.theage.com.au/world/uk-suppressed-torture-evidence-to-protect-mi6-20090208-80xz.html?page=-1 Yeah, sure, Milliband nominated for Transparency and Open Government award. - Jan Klimkowski - 22-02-2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/22/torture-pakistan-human-rights There's a photo of Rangzieb Ahmed's hands taken in September 2007, one year after he said his fingernails were removed, at the url. Quote:UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan' |