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Israel and 9/11 - An Introduction - Ed Jewett - 29-01-2012

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[Image: CIAMossadSmall.bmp]By Anonymous - Posting #196

Secret CIA Documents on Mossad was published in 1982 by CounterSpy magazine. It is purportedly an appraisal of the Israeli Secret Services by the CIA captured by Iranian students when the US embassy was taken. It was published in Iran, and portions were later published in the US not only by CounterSpy but also by the Washington Post (see the CounterSpy Introduction).

It belongs in the archives of the 9/11 Truth Movement and on the internet.

It contains the following passages related to the connection between Zim Shipping and the Mossad:

Other Israeli governement organizations that provide support to the intelligence and security community are the Ministries of Finance (Customs and Excise, Investment and Securities) and tourism, the national airline, El Al, and the national shipping line, Zim. Unofficial Zionist organizations based in Israel and Jewish communities throughout the world also give aid to Israel operations when needed.

The function of intelligence officers under cover of diplomatic establishments is to arrange information exchanges with officials of local services, manage communications, serve as accommodation addresses and funding channels, and direct agents toward targets of interest. Official organizations used for cover are Israeli Purchasing Missions and Israeli Government Tourist, El Al and Zim offices, Israeli constrution firms, industrial groups and international trade organizations also provide nonofficial cover. Individuals working under deep or illegal cover are normally charged with penetrating objectives that require a long-range, more subtle approach, or with actvities in which the Israeli Government can never admit complicity.

It contains the following passage related to false-flag recruitment:

The Israelis have used false-flag recruitment pitches extensively and successfully. In several cases they approached citizens of Western European nations under the cover of a national NATO intellegence organization for operations in Arab target countries.

It contains the following passages related to the ability of Israeli security services to recruit and control Arab agents:

Arabic-speaking IDF interrogators sometimes pose as Arab officers and circulate among prisoners to elicit information. These techniques usually produce a large quantity of information from captured enemy personnel.

Some younger Mossad officers, who may be weak in certain fields of higher education or languages, are sent to universities abroad, where their pursuit of an advanced degree simultaneously serves as cover for their extracurricular operational activities. One of the established goals of the intelligence and security services is that each officer be fluent in Arabic. A nine-month, intensive Arabic language course is given annually in the Tel Aviv area to students from each service.

Mossad officers who are going into Arab operations take the same Arabic language training as Shin Beth officers. As further training, these Mossad officers work in the Administered Territories [i.e., the West Bank ed.] for two years to sharpen their language skills before being posted abroad. During this period they usually serve in the Sinai and often run Bedouin agents into Egypt in conjunction with Military Intelligence.

Many Israelis have come from Arab countries where they were born and educated and appear more Arab than Israeli in speech, demeanor, and attitude. By forging passports and identity documents of Arab and western countries and providing sound background legends and cover, Mossad has successfully sent into Egypt and other Arab countries Israelis disguised and documented as Arabs or citizens of European countries.

There are numerous persons in Israel who have a thorough area and language knowledge of any area of interest to the intelligence services. These area experts can render extremely valuable assistance in analyzing intelligence information and formulating country requirements, thus contributing to the total operational potential since they enable Israeli intelligence officers to estimate rapidly the efficiency and reliability of their agents and informants. These persons are also useful for their ability to pass completely for a citizen of the nation in question The Israeli talent for counterfeiting or forging passports and documents ably supports the agent's authenticity.

Through the use of informants, who may be local Arabs or Oriental Jews posing as Arabs, Shin Beth has penetrated subversive Arab elements including communist cells and Arab nationalist groups. They have also picked up local Arab espionage agents on their way back to neighboring countries and doubled them in coordination with Military Intelligence.

It contains the following passages relating to Mossad's ability to operate clandestinely in North America, and its propensity to "create disturbances" with a view to the psychological impact of those disturbances:

Individuals working under deep or illegal cover are normally charged with penetrating objectives that require a long-range, more subtle approach, or with activities in which the Israeli Government can never admit complicity.

Mossad directs clandestine operations throughout Europe, including the USSR and East European countries; North and South America; the Near East; Africa; and the Far East, including South East Asia. Mossad activities are generally conducted through Israeli official and semiofficial establishments, deep cover enterprises in the form of firms and organizations, some especially created for, or adaptable to, a specific objective, and penetrations effected within non-Zionist national and international Jewish organizations.

Mossad also is charged with inciting disturbances calculated to create mutual distrust among the Arabs and to draw Western sympathy away from the Arab cause.

In brief, the document shows that everything that the Israeli secret services would have had to do, in order to accomplish the criminal acts of September 11, 2001, the CIA had evidence to suppose that the Israelis either had done or were capable of doing prior to 1982.

Editor's Comment

Positive evidence for Israeli involvement in 9/11 is patchy. There is the fact that on 9/11 the Twin Towers were owned by two men with Israeli loyalties: Larry Silverstein and Frank Lowy. There are the five dancing schlomos. There is Benjamin Netanyahu's statement that the 9/11 attack was "very good" for Israel. In addition to 9/11 providing a pretext for the U.S. government to nullify domestic civil liberties it also provided a pretext for the U.S. to declare a "war on terror" which in practice has been a war on Arab countries with strategic economic assets such as oil or could provide an oil pipeline. This has suited Israel just fine, because it is surrounded by Arab countries who (rightly) despise it and would be delighted if the state of Israel ceased to exist.

In a false-flag operation that is, an operation in which the identity of the real or primary perpetrator is concealed and some other agent is made to appear as the (sole) perpetrator it is common to use patsies: people who may or may not participate in the operation (whether or not they understand their true roles) and who may publicly be blamed as soon as the dust settles.

The attack on the Twin Towers had 19 patsies. These were the people whom the FBI announced (together with their pictures), soon after the event, were the Arab terrorists who allegedly were responsible (this became the official story). Some of these may have had no connection with the operation, but some (in particular "Mohammad Atta" or the two "Mohammad Attas", one in the US and one in Germany) may have been recruited for their roles. Mossad would have had no trouble in finding such people.

Although some patsies may have had roles to play (e.g., to be captured on video when catching a connecting flight from Portland (Maine) to Boston on the morning of 9/11), or even actually to have been passengers on some or all of the four Boeing airliners allegedly used in the attacks, it is doubtful that any had a hand in the work on the Twin Towers required for their controlled demolition.

That the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition follows from the fact that it is highly unlikely that the impacts of the airliners and the resulting fires were sufficient to bring them down. The impacts did not cause them to fall because they were still standing 56 minutes (South Tower) and 1 hour and 44 minutes (North Tower) after impact, and no other steel-structure building has ever collapsed as a result of fire (see here). In late August 2011 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth released a documentary video in which numerous highly qualified engineers denied that the official explanation for the collapse of the three buildings (WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7) was at all credible. These engineers strongly suggest that the collapse of the three buildings was actually a controlled demolition, but it is unlikely that Israel itself or any US company (with or without connections to Israel) possessed the necessary expertise in controlled demolition (of 100-storey buildings no less) to bring this about.

There are four possible ways in which the Twin Towers may have been demolished:

* Self-demolition capability:

It is not impossible that the Twin Towers were constructed in the early 1970s with such a capability, but this is unlikely because the controlled demolition expertise required did not exist at that time, and in any case it is likely that the architect intended them to last 100 years or more, and had no thought of their ever needing to be destroyed. But it is not impossible that a self-destruct mechanism might have been built in sometime in the 1990s after the first attack, but there is no evidence of this.

* Chemical explosives:

Since the Twin Towers exploded (they did not just collapse) this is an obvious possibility, but it is unlikely because of the amount of explosive material that would be needed and the amount of time and effort that would be required to rig the towers for this effect. It has recently been suggested that nanothermite was the explosive used. This hypothesis suffers from the defect that it has never been shown that nanothermite has sufficient explosive power to produce the effects which were witnessed on 9/11 (see here).

* Mini H-bombs:

When one thinks of H-bombs one tends to think of the massive explosions seen in Pacific atoll tests in the 1950s. However, in the forty years 1960-2000 huge amounts of money, time and intellectual ability were invested by the US in the development by the Pentagon of atomic weapons technology, and one possible result of this would be mini H-bombs. One of these in the basement of each of the Twin Towers might have been sufficient (due to the extremely high temperatures produced in a thermonuclear explosion) to vaporize most of the steel (resulting in the huge amounts of dust observed). For more on this see here.

* Black technology:

This term refers to technological capabilities developed in secret (in particular, by the Pentagon) about which nothing has ever been published. This includes so-called directed energy weapons. Since there is no public information confirming the existence of such capabilities this possibility remains speculative.

This editor inclines to the view that the Twin Towers were brought down by the use of mini H-bombs, and that the assertion that nanothermite was responsible is a red herring, intended to distract attention from the possible use of mini H-bombs or black technology, both of which would implicate the Pentagon.

Thus although it is entirely plausible that Israel was involved in the attacks of 9/11 the principal perpetrators must have been elements within (or closely connected to) the US Administration

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!....Its "OUR" country!!!

Love "Light" and Energy

_Don    

References:

Secret CIA Documents on Mossad

Counterspy - An Introduction

Israeli Company Mum About WTC Pullout

Who Destroyed the WTC? (Connect the dots)

Frank Lowy, Zionism and 9/11

Five Dancing Arrested Celebrating MOSSAD's 9/11 False Flag

Netanyahu Says 9/11 Was Good For Israel
[URL="http://www.serendipity.li/wtc9.htm"]
Wars for Oil[/URL]

America's Pipe Dream

Tracking the 19 Hijackers

The Official Story: The Twin Towers

MOHAMED ATTA WORKED FOR ELITE U.S.

Mohamed Atta:Terrorist, Patsy, or Scapegoat?

Evidence that Flights AA 11 and AA 77 Did Not Exist on 9/11
[URL="http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm"]
Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings[/URL]

Architects & Engineers for 9/11

Did the Twin Towers Collapse on Demand?

Has nanothermite been oversold to the 9/11 Truth community?
[URL="http://www.serendipity.li/wot/finn/military.htm"]
Military Expert on 9/11[/URL]

The Journal of 9/11 Research (See SAIC)

The Perpetrators
[URL="http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/05/22/bush-s-crusades-and-the-carlyle-group/"]
Bush's Crusades and the Carlyle Group[/URL]

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Israel and 9/11 - An Introduction - Magda Hassan - 29-01-2012

I know Peter P has written about this as well. May be worth a search and merge.


Israel and 9/11 - An Introduction - Jeffrey Orling - 06-02-2012

Who is Don and where does he get these ideas? Frankly after following the 9/11 truth movement for years it's become increasingly obvious that few of them have studied the visuals of the event and know a thing about physics or how those towers were designed and built.

There is little to no visual evidence of explosions or demolition in the collapse of the towes... clearly gravity events explained by mechanics, physics and engineering. The twins appear to begin their collapse when something happened inside the core of each tower... destroying its ability to support the tens of thousands of tons of mass (15 or 30 floors) above and this mass without support then came crashing down and destroyed the floors and then the columns broke apart absent the bracing.

This sort of destruction does not clearly show what caused the tops to come crashing down. We can only make educated guesses as to what the contributopry factors were. One guess would be some explosives or incendiary devices. But the core WAS damaged by the plane strike... though not enough for it to fail. There was lots of fire... fuel burnng, plasitics burning and perhaps loss of fire protection on the steel. We don't know the fuel load either.

We do know that the official explanations are garbage and likely are a cover up. One thing they DID cover up was the vulnerability of the design of the three towers to progressive and catastrophic collapse. Building 7 because it was built on huge transfer trusses on the 5th and 6th floor which if they failed the core would plunge right through the Con Ed substation. There was something like 12,000 gal of diesel over that truss which burned all day. I'd look at that scenario.

The open office design was a why the twins collapsed as they did. There's no doubt about that. But to achieve the critical destructive mass the columns had to fail at the impact region so the mass was freed to collapse.. very much like a typical CD. Once the columns are severed gravity does the rest. In the twins... the rest included all the floors below the impact zone.

Whether the towers fell or not... the administration had their cassis belli, fake as it was to launch a series of wars and grab control of the ME energy resources. Israel wasn't upset either because the US was taking out her enemies (Iraq, then Libya, and coming up Syria, Iran and of course the rest of pesky North Africa.

Whatever happened the USA had the wrong reaction and we'll likely never know (from those who do know) because the ones that benefited from it don't want us to know.


Israel and 9/11 - An Introduction - Greg Burnham - 06-02-2012

Just curious, Jeffrey--

You said:

Quote:"...it's become increasingly obvious that few of them have studied the visuals of the event and know a thing about physics or how those towers were designed and built."

How do you define "visuals of the event"?? Do you have a degree [read:expertise] in optics? Do you have a degree or expertise in Physics? Do you have a degree or expertise in Engineering?


Israel and 9/11 - An Introduction - Jeffrey Orling - 06-02-2012

I have a degree and a license in architecture. I had a business a few blocks north of the towers and was there many times. I even worked for the architects of the towers Emery Roth & Sons in 1970. I am somewhat trained as an observer as an architect and captain. I've studied meteorology.

I am not an expert.

But I have found some researchers who have very methodically and rigorously studied the videos and stills from the event and presented their findings.

I have been studying the structure of the twin towers in great detail and probably know as much if not more about them than any 9/11 researcher. I certainly know more than Gage or the people at AE911T where I served as a board member for a brief time in 2009-2010.

One does not need an advanced degree in civil or structural engineering to understand that the floors system outside the core was very lightweight. It was down spec'ed to support a live load of 58#/SF from the 100#/SF required by the NYC building code for office use. No typical office floor could support the dynamic loads of over 2000#/SF let along one's designed for 58#/SF.

So this is not a mystery and the floors below the plane impact zone were not exploded but collapsed...because they could do nothing but with the huge mass descending down up them.

There is no evidence of exploding steel... or steel showing blast effects in the debris as far as what I've seen. There were buckled columns from the floor of the impact zone... but none from below or above. The vast majority of the steel came apart at the splice from one section to another. The facade assemblies show pull out of bolts and ripped splice plates. Much of the steel is bent from the impact of falling from heights as high as 1,300 feet. Box column welds were ripped apart in those falls.

The steel at the impact zone was heated and made somewhat weaker and there were columns at the impact zone which DID buckle such as the famous horseshoe column and others. Buckled columns only manifest when the load on them exceeds their yield strength. And this happened because SOME of the columns were destroyed and the loads redistributed to the remaining columns until the remaining columns were seeing loads exceeding their yield strength and buckled.

I don't see any other cause to explain a buckled column.

Do you?


Israel and 9/11 - An Introduction - Greg Burnham - 06-02-2012

Jeffrey Orling Wrote:I have a degree and a license in architecture. I had a business a few blocks north of the towers and was there many times. I even worked for the architects of the towers Emery Roth & Sons in 1970. I am somewhat trained as an observer as an architect and captain. I've studied meteorology.

I am not an expert.

[ ...snip ]

Do you?

I'm not an expert either. That's why I refrain from making absolute statements about things with which I am not qualified to render that type of judgment. But, that's just me.


Israel and 9/11 - An Introduction - Jeffrey Orling - 06-02-2012

Well... You don't need to be an expert or have advanced degrees in engineering to know with 100% certainty that a floor designed to support a static load (live load) of 58#/SF will fail if 2000# of dynamic load is applied. It's the same certainty that I have if I throw a 3# rock at the window of my bedroom that it will shatter.

The collapse / destruction of the upper sections of the towers onto the lower intact stone cold parts supplied MORE than enough downward force to shatter the topmost and all floors below which each saw additional mass descending on it. It's that simple.

But there are observations to explain which are NOT that simple, but require more sophisticated understanding of physics and precise observations.

The laws of physics were not suspended on 9/11.. nor chemistry.... nor material science... or engineering.

Many are baffled by the *collapse* of what was called the spire. They reach for the easiest explanation.. explosives placed at the bottom caused those columns reaching to 50 stories and one to floor 78 to come down. Some think they turned to dust... but that is just a flawed observation... they collapsed down. And they did so without explosives. We know that because THOSE columns.. rows 500 and 600 especially show NO signs of explosive damage in the debris pile. The columns collapsed from *self buckling* called Euler Buckling... If that is not sufficient explanation for your level of technical understanding... as it is MOST observers... I suggest you do some research about steel column stability, unbraced length and slenderness ratio for column stability, and of course Euler Buckling. Once your DO understand this... the collapse of the *spire* is understood as a predicted *natural* course... no explosives necessary.

Here's a little help for you:


Israel and 9/11 - An Introduction - Jeffrey Orling - 07-02-2012

Serendity's site is full of incorrect information. Simple stuff that anyone should know or be able to verify. He shows a cartoon of flight 175 path into tower 2. The orientation of the core is 90° off - oriented with then long axis in the east-west not the north south direction.

When you see this basic information completelt wrong, you know you are dealing with a *mickey mouse* site crammed with junk and obviously crazy unfounded *conspiracy* explanations and people who don't have a clue about what they are talking. Nothing new with that.

The trouble of course it people see, read and belief this garbage and then post links to a site like this... and the nonsense is spread and given credibility. I suppose that's what the democracy of the net has created.

I would recommend that that first post be removed from this site. It's embarrassing... the links are.


Israel and 9/11 - An Introduction - Phil Dragoo - 07-02-2012

Jeffrey

In your post # 7 above is a very instructive diagram of The "Spire" Column 501.

How massive: a thousand tons, two million pounds.

How slender: height either two hundred or five hundred times its width.

And it's held together bywhat, a few bolts in end plate connections.

Absent the floor trusses, catastrophic collapse.

Just as an antenna unguyed is noisy wreckage.

W. C. Fields attained fame early juggling on-stage, sometimes with thirteen cigar boxes.

http://juggling.tv/381

But these are sturdy replicas with felt edges in the hands of a career professional.

Once the stability is gone from the core columns, they will collapse.

Here is my new American 2.5 pencil a quarter across its hexagonal shaft, eight inches in length, a slenderness factor of 32, not 200 or 500, requiring six or fifteen pencils.

Balancing ten pencils end on end, perhaps with a shot of hotmelt.

Oh the humanity.

Just one guy in the audience in the bit throwing a well-aimed ball brings it down.

At the three-minute mark.

Okay, let's attack Afghanistan. Iraq. Ten years. Then we'll play East Lynn.


Israel and 9/11 - An Introduction - Jeffrey Orling - 07-02-2012

Actually the connections are not bolts for the box columns... they were plates welded spanning the joint... plates of not more than 1/2" thick steel with filet welds. The splice connections were intended to hold the columns in alignment one atop the other until the bracing was secured restraining their lateral motion... keeping them *in column".

After the splices were in place short beam stubs were welded onto the faces of the columns with filet welds again. These were usually a small section of the H beam brace which was bolted between two angles welded to the column face. Then an H section was inserted between stubs and the web connected with splice plates on either side which were bolted and again had filet welds around the perimeter of the plates. The fluted decking rested on the bracing and the concrete was poured to form the floor slab in side the core for corridors and bathrooms etc. Much of the core had no slabs because it was for mechanical shafts and elevators.

it should be noted that the bracing for rows 500, 600, 900 and 1000 were not installed between the columns but attached to the adjacent sides. The bracing for rows 500 and 1000 was also the support for the floor trusses which ran around the entire core. This allowed for mechanical rises between the columns of rows 500 and 1000