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The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration - Allan Eaglesham - 25-05-2012 "[New work by Doug Horne] teaches us that the actual chain of custody of Abraham Zapruder's home movie, from November 23rd-25th, 1963, is not anything close to what it was represented to be for years, and in fact indicates an extremely high level of interest in [the] movie by the U.S. government during the three days immediately following President Kennedy's assassination..." Doug's fascinating and fundamentally important new work may be accessed at http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/horne-d1.1.1.html and at my website http://www.manuscriptservice.com/NPIC-DougHorne/ Allan The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration - LR Trotter - 25-05-2012 Over the years while studying the research of the JFK Assassination, from time to time the issue of Zapruder Film chain of custody seemed to have stretched, if not missing links. Without available specifics, there seems to be a degree of available possibility for thorough study and at least minimal alteration before "limited" viewing. The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration - Allan Eaglesham - 26-05-2012 LR Trotter Wrote:Over the years while studying the research of the JFK Assassination, from time to time the issue of Zapruder Film chain of custody seemed to have stretched, if not missing links. Without available specifics, there seems to be a degree of available possibility for thorough study and at least minimal alteration before "limited" viewing. Sorry if I am being obtuse, Larry, but I don't understand your post. Are you referring to Z-film alteration in general terms or Doug's work in particular? Thank you. Allan The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration - LR Trotter - 29-05-2012 Allan Eaglesham Wrote:LR Trotter Wrote:Over the years while studying the research of the JFK Assassination, from time to time the issue of Zapruder Film chain of custody seemed to have stretched, if not missing links. Without available specifics, there seems to be a degree of available possibility for thorough study and at least minimal alteration before "limited" viewing. Allan, I was more or less speaking in general terms, and that the mentioned study seems to bring about some specifics, at least for me. The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration - Albert Doyle - 29-05-2012 I think he's saying the new Horne work shows it was possible that the CIA altered the Zapruder film at their film department. The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration - Allan Eaglesham - 29-05-2012 LR Trotter Wrote:Allan Eaglesham Wrote:LR Trotter Wrote:Over the years while studying the research of the JFK Assassination, from time to time the issue of Zapruder Film chain of custody seemed to have stretched, if not missing links. Without available specifics, there seems to be a degree of available possibility for thorough study and at least minimal alteration before "limited" viewing. Yes, Larry: I agree. Allan The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration - Jan Klimkowski - 18-10-2012 I've finally read Douglas Horne's full piece here. Zapruder alteration is a highly contentious subject, but I find the evidence Horne has gathered to be very persuasive. His examination of the chain of custody provides a clear opportunity for alteration, and a prime location, Hawkeyeworks, with the highest level of technical expertise possible: Quote:An indefensible position: Secondly, I believe the "red blob" in frame 313 to be the single most suspect element of Zapruder. The new testimony of Dino Brugioni, "the world's foremost living expert on the U-2 and SR-71 aerial reconnaissance imagery, and on the Corona and early Keyhole satellite reconnaissance imagery", is devastating. Quote:A startling revelation in 2011 the "head explosion" seen in the extant Zapruder film, in the National Archives today, is not at all consistent with the head explosion seen by Mr. Brugioni in the Zapruder film he viewed on the evening of November 23, 1963: During the follow-up interview at Dino Brugioni's home on April 28, 2011, Peter Janney showed Mr. Brugioni a good image of frame 313 from the extant Zapruder film the so-called "head explosion" scanned from a 35 mm dupe negative of the film obtained from the National Archives. [The provenance of the frame used therefore unquestionably represents what is in the National Archives today.] Mr. Brugioni was quite startled to find out that this was the only frame graphically depicting the "head explosion" in the extant film, which the National Archives has characterized as "the original film." He insisted that the head explosion he viewed multiple times on 11/23/63 was of such a great size, and duration (in terms of time), that there should be many more frames depicting that explosion than "just the one frame" (frame 313), as shown in the Zapruder film today. Furthermore, he said the "head explosion" depicted in the Zapruder film today is too small in size, and too low in the frame, to be the same graphic depiction he recalls witnessing in the Zapruder film on Saturday, November 23rd, 1963 at NPIC. Mr. Brugioni viewed the Zapruder film as a motion picture several times during the HD video interview I conducted with him on July 9, 2011 using the 1998 MPI DVD product, Image of an Assassination, made by the LMH Co. in 1997 from the film in the National Archives and reiterated those comments that he made on April 28th to Peter Janney, insisting that "something was missing" from the film in the National Archives today. While viewing the video on July 9, 2011, Mr. Brugioni also stated that the head explosion he viewed was a large "white cloud" that surrounded President Kennedy's head, and was not pink or red, as shown in the extant Zapruder film. The words below are excerpted from Dino Brugioni's April 28, 2011 interview with Peter Janney, as he recounted what he recalled seeing when he watched the head explosion in the Zapruder film on 11/23/63: Quote:The Head Explosion: The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration - Dawn Meredith - 18-10-2012 WOW. Thanks Jan for the excerpts. This is by far the best proof I have seen. Then add to it Mili Cranor's experience, of yet another film....hmmmm Dawn The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration - Phil Dragoo - 18-10-2012 Doug Horne devotes roughly pages 1100-1300 of Volume IV of his Inside the ARRB to Zapruder. Rollie Zavata plucked from retirement by Kodak to defend the authenticity. That's not possible: one of the two NPIC "authentic" films arrived unslit. Other fatal anomalies between the Brugioni and McMahon compartments. There are many, many fine points which make it impossible to accept the extant version. Thanks are due for the patient explanation of these unspectacular yet definitive details. Outside this two-hundred-page test reside the questions of Zapruder's association with the crew which provided the Potemkin Depository and his business partnership with DeMohrenschildt's wife. The coincidence that the film was passed immediately into the hands of the psychological operations chief for Eisenhower, now a keystone of the LucePress described by Donald Gibson as a chief opponent to Kennedy. The blackening of the back of the head at 317 and elsewhere. The magical disappearance of a mortal spray which hit Hargis with such force as to convince him he was hit. And of course the bubblegum wound described by Hollywood film professionals as obviously painted on using existing techniques. Two brains and two brain exams was another Horne takeaway from his study. Zapruder cannot be authentic anymore than the photos and x-rays. All of it was, however, close enough for government work. The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration - Greg Burnham - 20-10-2012 http://johnfitzgeraldkennedy.net/amazingwebofabrahamzapruder.htm |