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America's Mexican Border Wars - Magda Hassan - 21-05-2009
Linda, do you know what is the main cause of this violence in Houston? Is it drug related? Is it comparable to other cities in the US of similar size and demographics?
America's Mexican Border Wars - Linda Minor - 22-05-2009
Magda Hassan Wrote:Linda, do you know what is the main cause of this violence in Houston? Is it drug related? Is it comparable to other cities in the US of similar size and demographics?
I don't really know. I moved from there about 10 years ago, but we used to watch one murder report after another on the news. Some weekends there might be 5 or more unconnected murders. It appears that nothing has changed since we left.
America's Mexican Border Wars - Magda Hassan - 22-05-2009
Over recent years there have been a huge amount women murdered in the Juarez City area and other places where there are maquilladoras.
America's Mexican Border Wars - Tosh Plumlee - 23-05-2009
Linda: I would recheck the death toll in Juarez for this year and last year..... I think you will find over 1600 just in the Juarez area, this year (6mo). .., over ten thousand in the total border war in the last two years...
America's Mexican Border Wars - Dawn Meredith - 23-05-2009
Don't worry about swine flu: Obama is going to MANDATE vaccines!!!
JUST SAY NO! They can't arrest all of us.
My husband Erick warned me just before the election that in a short time I would see that Obama would be worse than Bush. Last night I conceded.
Dawn
America's Mexican Border Wars - Tosh Plumlee - 26-05-2009
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Tosh..... We will be pulling out June 1st.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Well things are getting back to normal in Juarez now tthat the army is pulling out.
Also. Another person died in American from the Swine flu I think that makes four?
2 men shot to death, another wounded in south Juarez yesterday, witnesses told police the 3 were shot by a group of heavily armed
men , investigators say the suspects fired at least 30 rounds at the victims --counting the guy found in a drum inside a car trunk , thats at least 3 homicides yesterday in Juarez, ---once again Juarez is averaging between 3 and 5 homicides a day, more on weekends-,
if last Fridays 13 is any indication--cr
Dos hombres ejecutados y uno más herido de gravedad fue el saldo de un ataque perpetrado por un comando armado ayer en La Cuesta.
El incidente se registró aproximadamente a las 19:30 horas en las calles Cordillera de los Andes cruce con Sierra de Picacho, donde los tres hombres de entre 20 a 25 años se encontraban en el exterior de una vivienda.
De acuerdo a la versión de testigos los agresores viajaban en una camioneta Pathfinder gris y un Stratus blanco desde donde realizaron al menos 30 disparos.
Los balazos hicieron blanco en los tres hombres de los cuales dos murieron y uno más resulto herido.
Al darse el ataque las víctimas intentaron resguardarse de los disparos por lo que uno de ellos quedo debajo de un automóvil Linconl Town Car.
Tras la agresión dos hombres quedaron sin vida, mientras que uno de ellos recibió los impactos en una de las piernas, por lo que familiares lo llevaron de manera inmediata al Hospital Juárez que se encuentra a unos metros del lugar del incidente sobre la Cordillera de los Andes y Oscar Flores.
Una de las personas sin vida vestía una playera color naranja, pantaloncillo corto negro y tenis blancos, mientras que el otro una camiseta oscura y pantalón de mezclilla.
Después de unos minutos de ingresado al Hospital Juárez, familiares solicitaron el traslado del herido a otro nosocomio.
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two men gunned down at gas station in Chihuahua city , that city is currently experiencing what Juarez went through 6 months ago
Juarez is almost back to that level once again.
two found shot to death (execution style) along rural dirt road just south of Juarez
America's Mexican Border Wars - Tosh Plumlee - 27-05-2009
SOURCE: (Field report)
MEXICO MILITARY SECURITY MEMO: MAY 26, 2009
XXXXXXXX TO : JSOC Latin America Desk xxxxx XXXXXXXXXXXXX report:
"..... Government Admits Areas Lost to Organized Crime
This past week, several news organizations in Mexico published excerpts from a forthcoming Mexican government report that acknowledges something STRATFOR has asserted for some time: namely, that certain areas of the country are outside the federal government's control. The Interior Secretariat (Segob) prepared the document, reportedly titled "Plan for National Security 2009-2012," as a general framework for confronting a range of issues throughout the next few years.
According to news accounts, the plan's objectives include promoting the recovery of spaces "illegitimately co-opted by third parties, subverting constitutional order." The plan also proposes recovering "full control in territories endemically affected by criminal activity," with a statement that regions most affected by organized crime require a comprehensive response that includes social, political, judicial and security measures.
Although the report does not specify the territories and regions it refers to, STRATFOR has observed in the past that Mexico's border areas have been the historic home of the country's most noteworthy criminal groups. While drug trafficking and organized crime exists throughout the country, the Mexican drug cartels that have amassed the most power over the years nearly all have originated in Mexican cities along the U.S. border. It is in these areas where many of the effects of organized crime -- corruption, lawlessness, impunity, insecurity -- are most salient. In addition, the distance between these areas and Mexico City contributes to the federal government's challenge of exerting control and imposing order.
This fact -- that only the drug cartels with direct access to the U.S. border have emerged as national and international criminal powers -- is not the result of coincidence or luck, but rather is explained by the geography of the drug trade in Mexico and the United States. Understanding this explanation also makes clear the tremendous challenge faced by the Mexican government as it attempts to accomplish the goals laid out in its national security plan. Simply put, no amount of focused social, political or security measures will succeed in resolving the fundamental reasons that organized crime has thrived in this area of the country. Moreover, the effect of such measures will likely be marginal in the long term, with the best outcome the disruption or dismantling of a specific criminal group (though another group can be expected to fill the gap quickly).
Meanwhile, it is significant that Segob has acknowledged that there are parts of the country outside of Mexico City's control -- a condition considered by many to be an indicator of a failed or failing state. The statement's inclusion in this report should be viewed more as a political development than a change in the country's ability to govern itself, given that Mexico's security crisis has existed for several years now.
May 18
Police in La Union, Guerrero state, found the beheaded bodies of three unidentified men inside a taxi on the side of a road near the border with Michoacan state. Their severed heads were later found inside a cooler with a note that read in part, "here are your informants." Authorities believe the victims may have been soldiers.
The charred body of an unidentified man was found with several gunshot wounds in San Juan Nuevo, Michoacan state.
Authorities in Culiacan, Sinaloa state, discovered the body of an unidentified man bound at the hands with two gunshot wounds in the head.
May 19
A firefight between police officers and alleged drug traffickers in Tancitaro, Michoacan state, prompted several army units and nearby police forces to send reinforcements.
An official from the Durango state attorney general's office was wounded after several assailants following her in a taxi in Durango, Durango state, shot her twice.
May 20
Mexican army forces captured alleged Gulf cartel member Nelson "El Luchador" Garza Lozano, after a firefight in Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas state. Three local police officers also were arrested on suspicions they were protecting Garza.
Four people died in separate organized crime-related violence in Tijuana, Baja California state, including one business owner killed when he attempted to prevent his brother from being kidnapped.
May 21
At least two police officers were wounded when several gunmen attacked their patrol vehicle outside a police building in Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua state.
Authorities in Torreon, Coahuila state, announced the firing of more than 300 police officers -- approximately one-third of the police force -- for failing a variety of requirements and exams.
May 22
The public security secretary of Zacatecas state announced his resignation in the wake of the state's May 16 prison break.
May 23
The bodies of two unidentified men were found bound at the wrists and bearing signs of torture in Taretan, Michoacan state.
A three-week old infant died when several men armed with assault rifles attacked his family while driving in Chihuahua, Chihuahua state.
May 25
Mexican army forces exchanged gunfire with several armed men at a synthetic drug manufacturing site in San Diego de Alejandria, Jalisco state, eventually detaining seven suspects.
The bodies of seven unidentified people were found inside a vehicle at a ranch in Othon P. Blanco, Quintana Roo state.
America's Mexican Border Wars - Tosh Plumlee - 27-05-2009
Juarez Mexico Border War heating up again:
SOURCE: (TF7 Field report)
MEXICO MILITARY SECURITY MEMO: MAY 26, 2009
XXXXXXXX TO : JSOC Latin America Desk xxxxx XXXXXXXXXXXXX report:
"..... Government Admits Areas Lost to Organized Crime
This past week, several news organizations in Mexico published excerpts from a forthcoming Mexican government report that acknowledges something STRATFOR has asserted for some time: namely, that certain areas of the country are outside the federal government's control. The Interior Secretariat (Segob) prepared the document, reportedly titled "Plan for National Security 2009-2012," as a general framework for confronting a range of issues throughout the next few years.
According to news accounts, the plan's objectives include promoting the recovery of spaces "illegitimately co-opted by third parties, subverting constitutional order." The plan also proposes recovering "full control in territories endemically affected by criminal activity," with a statement that regions most affected by organized crime require a comprehensive response that includes social, political, judicial and security measures.
Although the report does not specify the territories and regions it refers to, STRATFOR has observed in the past that Mexico's border areas have been the historic home of the country's most noteworthy criminal groups. While drug trafficking and organized crime exists throughout the country, the Mexican drug cartels that have amassed the most power over the years nearly all have originated in Mexican cities along the U.S. border. It is in these areas where many of the effects of organized crime -- corruption, lawlessness, impunity, insecurity -- are most salient. In addition, the distance between these areas and Mexico City contributes to the federal government's challenge of exerting control and imposing order.
This fact -- that only the drug cartels with direct access to the U.S. border have emerged as national and international criminal powers -- is not the result of coincidence or luck, but rather is explained by the geography of the drug trade in Mexico and the United States. Understanding this explanation also makes clear the tremendous challenge faced by the Mexican government as it attempts to accomplish the goals laid out in its national security plan. Simply put, no amount of focused social, political or security measures will succeed in resolving the fundamental reasons that organized crime has thrived in this area of the country. Moreover, the effect of such measures will likely be marginal in the long term, with the best outcome the disruption or dismantling of a specific criminal group (though another group can be expected to fill the gap quickly).
Meanwhile, it is significant that Segob has acknowledged that there are parts of the country outside of Mexico City's control -- a condition considered by many to be an indicator of a failed or failing state. The statement's inclusion in this report should be viewed more as a political development than a change in the country's ability to govern itself, given that Mexico's security crisis has existed for several years now.
May 18
Police in La Union, Guerrero state, found the beheaded bodies of three unidentified men inside a taxi on the side of a road near the border with Michoacan state. Their severed heads were later found inside a cooler with a note that read in part, "here are your informants." Authorities believe the victims may have been soldiers.
The charred body of an unidentified man was found with several gunshot wounds in San Juan Nuevo, Michoacan state.
Authorities in Culiacan, Sinaloa state, discovered the body of an unidentified man bound at the hands with two gunshot wounds in the head.
May 19
A firefight between police officers and alleged drug traffickers in Tancitaro, Michoacan state, prompted several army units and nearby police forces to send reinforcements.
An official from the Durango state attorney general's office was wounded after several assailants following her in a taxi in Durango, Durango state, shot her twice.
May 20
Mexican army forces captured alleged Gulf cartel member Nelson "El Luchador" Garza Lozano, after a firefight in Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas state. Three local police officers also were arrested on suspicions they were protecting Garza.
Four people died in separate organized crime-related violence in Tijuana, Baja California state, including one business owner killed when he attempted to prevent his brother from being kidnapped.
May 21
At least two police officers were wounded when several gunmen attacked their patrol vehicle outside a police building in Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua state.
Authorities in Torreon, Coahuila state, announced the firing of more than 300 police officers -- approximately one-third of the police force -- for failing a variety of requirements and exams.
May 22
The public security secretary of Zacatecas state announced his resignation in the wake of the state's May 16 prison break.
May 23
The bodies of two unidentified men were found bound at the wrists and bearing signs of torture in Taretan, Michoacan state.
A three-week old infant died when several men armed with assault rifles attacked his family while driving in Chihuahua, Chihuahua state.
May 25
Mexican army forces exchanged gunfire with several armed men at a synthetic drug manufacturing site in San Diego de Alejandria, Jalisco state, eventually detaining seven suspects.
The bodies of seven unidentified people were found inside a vehicle at a ranch in Othon P. Blanco, Quintana Roo state....".
America's Mexican Border Wars - Tosh Plumlee - 28-05-2009
The Border Drug War is now a real National Security issue and we (Americans) had better act fast, because it has already crossed our southern borders and is now operating in just about every major American city. The real war on terrorist is found within the drug war raging inside Mexico's northern borders.
For a rough run down, from a Task Force operating inside Mexico, the following interview should be of some interest.
May 06,2009 Interview with Meria Heller
http://meria.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/050609.mp3
America's Mexican Border Wars - Tosh Plumlee - 29-05-2009
New Mexican weapons found in Mexico near border.
photo by Wm. Plumlee 2007 Butterfield Stage Route New Mexico.