DPF Bans Professor James H. Fetzer: The Rationale

[Greg Burnham]

Nicely written, Seamus. If you continue to articulate so eloquently we'll need to conduct a forensic investigation of your varying style!

I had a pony as a child. But ever since I saw this I have never admitted to it:



--

Seamus,

Reading your posts in this regard, one could easily imagine that Fetzer had offended you personally, such is the intensity of your attack against him.

But he has not.

If you are not on a mission from DiEugenio to thoroughly discredit him, then get off your high horse!

You seem to be more offended by his attacks against me than I am!

Rest assured: I can defend myself without you. But, FWIW: Thank you for your support.

Lol I don't ride horses, I like Donkeys and Shetland ponies ROFL. I know you can look after yourself, maybe it's an over reaction on my behalf because I was so unfair in our first interaction's. I feel very strongly about good people getting the raw end of the stick. I certainly hear you, just as long as you know I have your back nowadays (well most of the time chief).

Anyhow, while I am very much the office junior on the block, I really did take an interest in Fetzer some time ago before I started writing for Jim Di. If anybody is really interested in where Fetzer began his downward spiral, I suggest tracking back to his time in the 9/11 nexus. Some really bizarre stuff was going on there. I was posting on some website awhile after I did my Alex Jones piece and some guys were asking me why Fetzer was still welcomed in JFK circles. I really had no idea why, funny though around that time I predicted that he would join himself with John Hankey. Whats funnier Greg, is I recall you and I having a laugh when you said Cinque would join up with JF. And bingo look what happened.

Anyhow, I have appeared to be gloating over the demise of JF. In so doing I have been a little insensitive to people here who have been hurt by his actions and were close to him. I saw Pete Lemkins post just prior to the thread going down. I also saw CD's response, while it stung me initially it did make me reflect on how I have worded my thoughts. As much as it rankles, I have to swallow my pride and respect that many people liked his earlier JFK stuff. If I have come across as arrogant or haughty I apologize for my insensitivity. In all reality there was some okay stuff, at least initially and CTKA have utilized some of his observations. This is even after JF abused us sigh.

I posted here awhile back and I stated I actually liked Fetzer's non conspiracy stuff, I took some time a ways back to read some of his thoughts on technology and science. It was pretty well written and made one think. I also initially liked his insights into American politics on BOR, his review of Ruth Paines garage was pretty good and I found his Zap film alteration stuff interesting. Indeed being something of a conservative agnostic on the issue (I tend to be more on the Groden side generally) I still genuinely find the debates fascinating and I see no evil on the alteration side. However, the more erratic Fetzer became with the 9/11 stuff, the more I distanced myself from keeping a more open mind too that aspect of the debate. One of the reasons I support the Groden angle is one of the problems I had with JF in the alteration department, was while he coordinated a lot of the efforts. I became confused because so many alterationist's were seeing different things. One of the things you have noticed, is that Fetzer seems to swallow everything. He seemingly had little filtration. Is there any one unifying argument concerning alteration? In your opinion who has the best overall take? Hell may be I should ask you that question on a different thread.

Greg, while my personal issues with JF are not quite so obvious (I readily admit no one really cares as I am small player in all this) they are certainly there. If you check out a number of posts I suspected that the train wreck Lee Cahalan was a pal of Fetzer's for one. Some of the comments he and Cahalan made about Lisa Pease and Jim Di (all roughly at the same time) being CIA on the EF was rather personal don't you think? He would later move on to include me (though I can't really play victim, I came out of the blocks snarling lol). Now I would imagine you would take it pretty personally, were I to say the same about you and say Jack White or Fletcher Prouty? How would CD react were I to slag GME as being disinformation? What was really revealing when I came at him, was I used a fraction of the venom he had heaped on others and he went running for the mods ROFL. In hindsight, where I isolated myself in my blood lust was criticizing Fetzer 'kook' ideas. What I should have said, was that he had taken some interesting subjects worthy of discussion at least and made a pigs ear of them. Indirectly, I tarred those people in those areas with his brush.

What is really interesting is from the time of his going NATO over the RFK stuff, he effectively made a bee line for CTKA. Most of his guff in recent times has been directed at our articles. It is only until recently he has changed tack and come for the DPF. To the best of my recollections it started with CD and I on a Phil Nelson thread. It was fascinating and a little disturbing seeing it all unfold as I think many of us thought it would. While CD and I have a few rocky moments, I still really appreciate how he came into bat for us (in his own way). I can't help but think this may have been another underlying reason JF went off at him like he did. I also appreciate how despite your differences with Jim and I you saw what was happening as well. I guess the enemy of my enemy is my friend lol. In saying that I hope despite differences we can build from uniting in this shared experience. Indeed, it's fascinating that on the eve of the fiftieth one of the things unifying us all at the moment has been the ousting of Fetzer. Which is a pretty sad reality, I just hope we can be more careful noticing figures like this in the future.

I think your posts concerning guilt by association, in which you explained the awkward position you felt you were left with in the wake of Fetzer was excellent. That took some real balls, I just hope people like yourself can create some order out of the chaos he has left behind. As I have said I think people like CD and yourself need not worry about any taint. Your both bigger than Fetzer. The real challenge I see for people like yourself, who dabbled in similar areas with JF is extricating the good stuff you and others have worked on from under his shadow. That's where the 'taint' lies. Hence, I wish you the best of luck in that regard partner. In the coming weeks, months, years it'll be interesting to see what people like you and CD will shape.

Till then keep cool. I am going to ride my Donkey into the sun set.