16-01-2017, 04:18 PM
Dawn Meredith Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Perhaps it's only me who sees all of this as symptomatic that the great US neoliberal empire is crashing and burning and that its time is passing.
Nero, fiddle, fire.
::::thumbsdown::::boom::
Nope it's not only you. However I am stunned by how many politically aware people are hanging on to the fake CIA story. People who should know better. And of course the real story here is the content of those emails. That has been lost in translation. Hillary lost because she was outed for who and what she is. What the DNC did to Bernie causing many Bernie supporters to refuse to support her at the polls.
Terrific articles Paul.
Yep, me too Dawn. Frankly, I'm staggered and it has opened my eyes quite a bit to the blinding effect of partisanship in politics. And yep, the whole point of the Russian did it campaign was, and remains, to deflect from the content of the emails. Now we have a new Russia did it campaign that also has zero factual validity and again the same people are falling over themselves to buy into that also.
::facepalm::
I cannot stand to watch the late night talk shows as they are all over this lie and last night SNL was as well. I'd love nothing better than to watch old Law and Order episodes at bedtime but hubby hates that show. I have started unfriending people on facebook pushing this false narrative. Just don't want to see it in my feed.
I'll repost this, since no one was able/willing to respond to it.
Let's just take off our blinders here and use our common sense. We know that Trump has a real weakness for attractive females, especially young ones. How many times has he talked about wanting to date his own daughter (if she wasn't his daughter)?
In a 2001 episode of The Howard Stern Show that circulated online Wednesday, discovered by viral-video editor Vic Berger of Turner-owned Super Deluxe, former New York Daily News gossip writer A.J. Benza tattles on Trump, all to host Howard Stern's delight.
Trump, meanwhile, is listening in on a phone line, denying the conversation ever transpired. (Trump was single at the time; he would marry current wife Melania Trump in 2005.)
"He bangs Russian people," says Benza.
"Who are you talking about, A.J.?" asks Trump. "I don't know anything."
Benza persists over Trump's protests: "He used to call me when I was a columnist and say, 'I was just in Russia. The girls have no morals. You gotta get out there.' "
Is it really so hard to believe that when Trump went to Moscow in 2011 to host the Miss Universe contest, he enjoyed the local scenery (so to speak), and the Russians photographed and recorded the whole thing? This is standard procedure for pretty much any intelligence agency. That means the Russians would have blackmail material to hold over Trump's head. That plus the Russian business ties of many of his associates. Exxon has drilling rights to 63 million acres in Russia, but they are being prevented by the sanctions. There's a LOT of Russian smoke around Trump, so you don't have to blame the deep state if there's some actual fire.
I don't know why there are so many Russian apologists on this forum. Russia today is not the alleged Marxist regime it was under the Soviets. It is actually more of a reactionary regime with ties to white nationalists, oligarchs and mobsters. Putin deserves credit for holding the country together against NATO expansion, but that's as far as I'll go in praising him. Otherwise he is a thug and a murderer, and likely the architect of the 1999 apartment bombings which were blamed on the Chechens.