10-08-2017, 01:49 PM
LR Trotter Wrote:Ray Mitcham Wrote:LR Trotter Wrote:Alan Ford Wrote:Mr. BELIN. And then what happened?
Mr. TRULY. Then we left Lee Harvey Oswald immediately and continued to run up the stairways until we reached the fifth floor.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
*Again, why did Truly and/or Baker's respective testimonies fail to reflect as they continued upwards to the 5th floor encounters with…
Mr. Norman (Harold) S1
Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray) S2
Mr. Jarman (James) S3
Who all were actually up on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor in very close proximity to the elevator area…
*Yet not a single one of these three menwithin their own separate testimoniesshare an encounter with Truly & Baker?
A fair, objective inquiry begs the question Why?, though the answer is glaringly obvious.
*the only policeman seen was a white helmeted motorcycle officer who actually rode an elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor, there's this exchange ---->
Mr. BALL. I will take this same diagram----
Mr. WILLIAMS. First of all we made a stop before we got to the last stop that we was when the policeman came up.
Continued…
Mr. BALL. Now, could you see all of the elevators from there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, by me being the tallest, I saw --
Mr. BALL. I am not going into what you saw. But could you see either elevator from where you were standing at "Z"?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; you could see this pretty plainly.
Mr. BALL. You mean the west elevator
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes sir.
Mr. BALL. Could you see the east elevator?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; you could not see it exactly.
Mr. BALL. Now, when you were questioned by the FBI agents, talking to Mr. Odum and Mr. Griffin, they reported in writing here that while you were standing at the west end of the building on the fifth floor, a police officer came up on the elevator and looked all around the fifth floor and left the floor. Did you see anything like that?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, at the time I was up there I saw a motorcycle policeman. He came up. And the only thing I saw of him was his white helmet.
Mr. BALL. What did he
Mr. WILLIAMS. He just came around, and around to the elevator.
Mr. BALL. Which elevator?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe it was the east elevator.
Mr. BALL. Did you see anybody with him?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I did not.
Who was/is this white helmeted motorcycle policeman?
Why didn't Truly & Baker encounter him, especially since, quote --Ã
Mr. BELIN. And then what happened?
Mr. TRULY. Then we left Lee Harvey Oswald immediately and continued to run up the stairways until we reached the fifth floor.
And, rather than go into Mrs. Reid's outright lie again, suffice it to say none of us can be in two different places at the same time (in their haste to FRAME an innocent party, the viper pit of liars simply out lied themselves, failing to factor in the small, yet all important details ( a photo capturing Mrs. Reid out in front of the building in the same time sequence she said she was encountering the wrongfully accused). OOPS!
Truly & Baker failed miserably, Failing to include encounters with Mr. Norman (Harold); Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray); Mr. Jarman (James); and, also with the white helmeted motorcycle officer who rode an elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor.
Mrs. Reid's blatant lie clearly exposes the phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter for the hoax it is. All four individuals standing in close proximity of the elevators, who didn't hear Truly yell up for an elevator exposes the hastily contrived script for what it was/is. Baker's multiple tries to get his lies, err, "facts" straight about a single event exposes the phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter as nothing more than a hastily contrived script. Discussions off the record exposes the phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter as the hoax it was all along.
The plain simple truth doesn't need multiple tries to get it right the first time; nor does the plain simple truth desperately cling to discussions off the record either.
Now, back to the plain simple truth ---->
Friday, November 22, 1963
"As an officer rushed into the building Oswald rushed out. The policeman permitted him to pass after the building manager told the policeman that Oswald was an employee." Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry
into the building ='s down on the first floor
"The man who said he was the building superintendent was outside & met
me at the door & went in with me. Shortly after I entered the
building I confronted Oswald. We left Oswald there, & the supervisor
showed me the way upstairs".
Conclusion: this encounter was also down on the first floor.
"Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We saw Oswald in a small storage room on the ground floor". -- O. Virgil Campbell
Conclusion: this encountercompleting a trifecta of sightingswas also down on the first floor
Saturday, November 23, 1963...a hastily contrived script rears its lying head...and the mounting lies simply out grow the hastily contrived script.
Man! Who was/is that white helmeted motorcycle policeman who rode an elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor ?????
Who was that mysterious someone with Truly ????? ----->
Mr. BALL. You mentioned you saw Truly?
Mr. PIPER. I don't know whether it was a policeman or FBI or who it was,but another fellow was with him.
That someone certainly wasn't a clearly defined white helmeted motorcycle policeman in full uniform…
In spite of the hastily contrived script to the contrary, Was Truly & Baker actually together during the immediate aftermath?, Or were their separate experiences weaved together to FRAME an innocent party?
Who is the white helmeted motorcycle officer who rode up on an elevator?, and just who is this someone who was really in the presence/company of Truly?
Some things are plainly stated. Some things are not.
It appears that Mr Ball's question seems to indicate a policeman came up the elevator,to the 5th floor. However, Mr Williams's statement only indicates a policeman came up, to said floor.
Either way, accordingly, Mr Williams indicated that the east elevator was not within their view.
Additionally, I believe Mr Williams also indicated in his testimony, that 5th floor access to the stairwell was also not within their view, even if occupied by an elephant.
Certainly, I have to conclude that shelving, and cartons highly stacked effects viewability, as indicated by Mr Williams, as well as lighting, which gives cause for a white helmet to stand out in a warehouse, as the TSBD building was.
To my knowledge, DPD Chief of Police, JesseCurry, was not an eyewitness to the DPD Officer ML Baker encounter with LH Oswald.
As I recall
I believe TSBD VP OV Campbell testified/stated that he had not known, nor had seen, ​LH Oswald prior to the assassination.
Mr Campbell did not have to have known Oswald before he saw him in the small cupboard in the vestibule at the entrance to the TSDB to state that it was Oswald he saw there afterwards.
Mr Holmes :Then he said when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs." And he didn't say whether he took the elevator or not. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."…Mr Belin :Where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting?Mr Holmes :He said it was in the vestibule.Mr Belin :He said it was in the vestibule?Mr Holmes :Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part.Mr Belinid he state it was on what floor?Mr Holmes :First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.Mr Belin
So when did Mr OV Campbell discover that he had seen, apparenly for the first time, LeeHarveyOswald, and exactly where was a vestibile, on the first floor, and how close to the CocaCola machine was he standing and drinking his CocaCola while in or near the vestible? What time did the "sighting" occur?
You had better ask Mr Campbell. He didn't say he saw Oswald drinking a coca cola in or near the "vestibile" (whatever that is -see how easy it is to mistype, Mr Trotter?) The vestibule door can be seen in this photo.http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.co.uk/20...floor.html
Quote:And, Mr Holmes is being quoted? Stating what "he heard" LHO saying? Or an interpretation of what "he thought he heard"? Did Mr Holmes take notes? If so, did he compare "his notes" with other statements/testimony? How soon after the "commotion" did LHO go "downstairs", according to Mr Holmes? Was Mr Holmes very familiar with the layout of the TSBD?
Mr Ford gave you a link to Holmes testimony. Read it and inwardly digest.