04-11-2008, 08:25 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-11-2008, 08:39 PM by Jan Klimkowski.)
I've spoken with over fifty people who claim to have been victims of secret MK-ULTRA* programming. The degree of factual corroborating evidence is often, but not always, low. Regardless of that, there are often details, or methods, which in and of themselves provide a degree of corroboration.
Of course not everyone who claims to be a secret MK-ULTRA victim was such. Some people believe their own fantasies. Some "tales" such as Nixon et al eating JFK's brain as part of a black mass held on a satanic calendar date are so outrageous that they seem designed to discredit those who promulgate them.
None of that takes away from the nature of the organization at the heart of this thread. The False Memory Syndrome Foundation was miraculously created shortly after a large number of "MK-ULTRA survivors" started telling their stories. The board of the FMSF was stuffed full of establishment scientists who were world leaders in their fields, and lauded as such by the uncritical media who would make silly little television programmes to prove what we all know: that memory is not an infallible and unchanging record of absolute truth. This puerile truism was then used to discredit anyone who claimed to have been a victim of secret experimentation.
And who where the FMSF?
Martin Orne & Jolly West were leading MK-ULTRA figures for almost their entire professional career - with a habit of appearing in the vicinity of patsies & Manchurian Candidates such as Jack Ruby, Sirhan Sirhan & Patty Hearst.
Harold Leif worked closely with Orne and was a Major in the US Army Medical Corps.
Loftus had to resign from the APA for ethical reasons.
McHugh claims that all DID subjects (multliple personalities in the old terminology) are psychologist-created. Which is true. Manchurian Candidates do not occur spontaneously in nature. Manchurian Candidates are created by deep black shrinks and their lackeys.
Ofshe sued the APA after they threw him out for professional reasons.
Persinger is a thread by himself.
As is Randi.
And the Freyds.
Singer, like Lifton, is an expert on the CIA's bogus "brainwashing" theory.
Singer, Lifton, Orne & West were the expert witnesses at Patty Hearst's trial where they testified she was indeed a victim of highly sophisticated mind control techniques. In effect that "Tanya", the bank robber, was a separate personality from rich heiress "Patty". To which one can only observe: they would know.
Underwager advocated adults having sex with children on many occasions, including in the paedophile journal, Paedika.
Etc etc
The FMSF claim that therapists created false memories - usually for financial reasons.
I claim that the FMSF created false science to cover up the crimes of the deep black doctors.
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*I use MK-ULTRA as a convenient umbrella term for all secret mind control programmes regardless of the identity of the ultimate funding organization.
Of course not everyone who claims to be a secret MK-ULTRA victim was such. Some people believe their own fantasies. Some "tales" such as Nixon et al eating JFK's brain as part of a black mass held on a satanic calendar date are so outrageous that they seem designed to discredit those who promulgate them.
None of that takes away from the nature of the organization at the heart of this thread. The False Memory Syndrome Foundation was miraculously created shortly after a large number of "MK-ULTRA survivors" started telling their stories. The board of the FMSF was stuffed full of establishment scientists who were world leaders in their fields, and lauded as such by the uncritical media who would make silly little television programmes to prove what we all know: that memory is not an infallible and unchanging record of absolute truth. This puerile truism was then used to discredit anyone who claimed to have been a victim of secret experimentation.
And who where the FMSF?
Martin Orne & Jolly West were leading MK-ULTRA figures for almost their entire professional career - with a habit of appearing in the vicinity of patsies & Manchurian Candidates such as Jack Ruby, Sirhan Sirhan & Patty Hearst.
Harold Leif worked closely with Orne and was a Major in the US Army Medical Corps.
Loftus had to resign from the APA for ethical reasons.
McHugh claims that all DID subjects (multliple personalities in the old terminology) are psychologist-created. Which is true. Manchurian Candidates do not occur spontaneously in nature. Manchurian Candidates are created by deep black shrinks and their lackeys.
Ofshe sued the APA after they threw him out for professional reasons.
Persinger is a thread by himself.
As is Randi.
And the Freyds.
Singer, like Lifton, is an expert on the CIA's bogus "brainwashing" theory.
Singer, Lifton, Orne & West were the expert witnesses at Patty Hearst's trial where they testified she was indeed a victim of highly sophisticated mind control techniques. In effect that "Tanya", the bank robber, was a separate personality from rich heiress "Patty". To which one can only observe: they would know.
Underwager advocated adults having sex with children on many occasions, including in the paedophile journal, Paedika.
Etc etc
The FMSF claim that therapists created false memories - usually for financial reasons.
I claim that the FMSF created false science to cover up the crimes of the deep black doctors.
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*I use MK-ULTRA as a convenient umbrella term for all secret mind control programmes regardless of the identity of the ultimate funding organization.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war