Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

[James H. Fetzer]

Jack,

OK. Let's see if we can sort some of it out together. By "you guys", I am
referring to you, John Armstrong, and David Lifton, whom I have taken
to be the leading experts on Lee Harvey Oswald. I know that John and
you believe there were two, one "Lee", the other "Harvey", and that the
one Judyth knew in New Orleans was the one to whom you refer to as
"Harvey". According to Dawn Mededith, the one you call "Lee" (not the
one whom Judyth knew) was short-tempered, non-intellectual and could
not speak Russian, while the one you call "Harvey" was mild-mannered,
intellectual and fluent in Russian. You say the one called "Harvey" was
born in Hungary and liked the name "Harvey", while Judyth's says that
he was born in Louisiana, had a slight Cajun accent, and hated the name
"Harvey". So we know that at least some of this has to be wrong. OK?

I do not know if Lifton believes there were "two Oswalds", but I rather
suspect he does not. So what we know about "Oswald" is very obscure.
Now, in this new post you say that you have been suggesting for years
that Robert was involved in framing "Harvey", the man Judyth knew in
New Orleans as "Lee", who, according to you, was not his brother, even
though they looked enough alike that they were virtually "dead ringers"
for one another. In addition, in a recent post, you make this observation:

Today, 05:23 PM
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Robert Oswald, of course, knew that Harvey was not his brother, and to this
day he "cooperates" with the perpetrators, as does Marina...for safety reasons.

Robert, Marina and Ruth Paine are the only remaining living persons who
knew both Harvey and Lee. If they were to tell what they know, the case
would be solved.

Robert likely was an unwitting participant. Because both he and Lee were
Marines, and they looked very much alike, the military had photos and
records of both to use in creating confusion in the official record. I am
fairly certain that photos of Robert were in some cases used to portray
Lee. Of course Robert was ASTOUNDED when the assassination happened
and Harvey was named the assassin. What he had assumed was a rather
benign assignment of Lee took a very terrible turn. Read his testimony for
his reaction to the event.

Jack

So here are my questions:

(1) The man who died, according to you, was "Harvey", whom Judyth
knew as "Lee" and who was shot to death by Jack Ruby on 24 November.

(2) Although Robert was the brother of the one you call "Lee" and not of
the one Judyth knew and Ruby shot, they were "dead ringers" of each other.

(3) According to your latest, #678, you have always insisted that Robert
was involved in framing the man that Judyth knew and that Ruby shot.

(4) In your earlier, #674, however, you state (a) that Robert likely was an
unwitting participant and (B) was astounded when "Harvey" was fingered.

(5) Now, if Robert was helping to frame "Harvey", how could he possibly
have been astounded when "Harvey" was blamed for the the assassination?

(6) Reading his testimony for his reaction to the event sounds like a waste
of time when we know that (a) he "found" the Imperial Reflex camera no one
had been able to locate in the Paine's garage; (B) he had an affair with Marina
following her husband's death; and, © he move into a nice, new brick home,
which he previously could not have afforded. What speaks louder to you?

(7) Moreover, Judyth has shown that, when you correct for distortion, the
images of "Lee" and of "Harvey" tend to converge, which suggests to me
that, while there may have been "two Oswalds", they are not adequately
identified as "Harvey & Lee" but instead more plausibly as "Robert & Lee":



So my question for you, my friend, is how can you reconcile what I have
just presented, especially your claims (i) that Robert was involved in the
framing of "Harvey" and (ii) that he was an unwitting participant who was
"astounded" when "Harvey" was fingered as the assassin? I don't get it.

It is plausible to me that Robert was impersonating Lee on some occasions.
And I hope you are not going to suggest that Robert "found" the Imperial
Reflex camera, had an affair with Marina, and purchased a new brick home
because he had to "play along" with the perpetrators "for safety reasons"!

Jim

[quote name='Jack White' post='188002' date='Mar 27 2010, 08:36 PM']
Who are the YOU GUYS you refer to?

What are your questions?

I have always said that Robert Oswald participated in the framing of Harvey.
Harvey was not his brother, so he cooperated in framing him. Now what is
your question about this opinion? Are you saying I am wrong about Robert?
I have long said that some photos of "Lee" are really of Robert. Are you
disputing this? Your questions are not clear.

It is clear to me that Robert helped frame "LHO". I have said this for about
thirty years. Are you disputing this? I do not understand your accusation.

Jack

[quote name='James H. Fetzer' post='187998' date='Mar 27 2010, 05:53 PM']
JIM HAS MORE QUESTIONS FOR JACK ABOUT ROBERT OSWALD:



In post #469 on page 32, Judyth made the following observations:

I knew that Lee was aware of and even wanted impersonations. We covered up our tracks very well and after Lee left Reily, I could never dare meet him outside there anymore.

Just trying to say, when you know the man, you know some things simply aren’t true.

Then it's easy to find what is true and present it.

Lee told me he even had a relative there. In New Orleans, two of his relatives were working for Reily when he was, and one worker describes a relative as smoking who was actually Lee, as Lee mentioned his male relative smoked.

People should notice that the boy is leaning back...the photo itself has been altered slightly around the nose ...as many other photos, as well...also, though this is supposed to be the Bronx Zoo, Robert Oswald has a fuzzy memory on a lot of stuff, and remember, Lee was visiting John Pic's home, not Robert's, in New York.

Robert has committed various errors and told lies as well, due to his affair with Marina shortly after Lee's death.

He 'found' the damning Imperial Reflex camera in the PAINE garage that had been so thoroughly searched...



Right after being caught with Marina....

Robert then moved into a nice new brick house that he could not have afforded before then.


Then catch what Robert has to say about his brother Lee as the assassin of JFK during a PBS "Frontline" interview:

(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...ews/oswald.html)

Robert Oswald:

In your mind, are there questions about whether Lee shot President Kennedy?

There is no question in my mind that Lee was responsible for the three shots fired, two of the shots hitting the president and killing him. There is no question in my mind that he also shot Officer Tippit. How can you explain one without the other? I think they're inseparable. I'm talking about the police officer being shot and the president. You look at the factual data, you look at the rifle, you look at the pistol ownership, you look at his note about the Walker shooting. You look at the general opportunity -- he was present. He wasn't present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository].

I watched the deterioration of a human being. You look at that last year -- his work, his family, trying to go to Cuba, trying to go back to Russia. His wife is wanting to go back to Russia. Everything is deteriorating.

You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as I'm concerned -- the Warren Commission was correct.

JIM'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE ALLEGED "EXPERTS" ON LEE HARVEY OSWALD:

These observations suggest to me that Robert was a key player in framing Lee. This is quite outrageous. You guys are supposed to be the "experts" on Lee Harvey Oswald and I have to learn about Robert having what appears to be motive, means, and opportunity to frame him from Judyth? And you guys have the nerve to challenge her background and her competence and her qualifications? The situation here is entirely outrageous. This woman appears to me to be doing more to solve the case in relation to Lee Harvey Oswald than you and John Armstrong and David S. Lifton put together.

[quote name='Jack White' post='187962' date='Mar 27 2010, 04:04 AM']Lee and Robert were almost as interchangeable as twins.

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