02-04-2010, 01:47 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-04-2010, 01:52 PM by Helen Reyes.)
Former (?) NSA official Wayne Madsen exposed the theory to public scrutiny yesterday on the Alex Jones Show, http://rss.infowars.com/20100401_Thu_Alex.mp3
I think it's very healthy to question Wikileaks' motives and sources of funding and information. I've been watching their scoops for years. It's entirely possible they are throughly infiltrated or even a front organization, but there's reason to question that thesis as well.
First, China and Thailand have gripes with Wikileaks over information published. Calling them CIA is a convenient way of skirting issues raised by documents released, at least in the domestic arena. If Wikileaks were genuine, then they would be making enemies among all governments, which seems to be the case. GErmany tried to shut them down, raided servers or something, Australia and Denmark blocked them for publishing lists of banned/filtered websites, etc. I automatically discount the Thai and Chinese claims.
Second, if Wikileaks is a US intelligence operation (or Mossad), there is something very elaborate going on here, when you consider the the Pentagon's document on how to destroy the Wikileaks intel operation, the intrigues in Iceland and the fact that Wikileaks has been claiming to be broke for the last 2 or so months, and is running a skeleton website at this point.
Why would the US attacks its own front, and why would the front appear to be financially broke?
It might be worth noting that Iceland, besides the above-posted Dutch private military operation, also came under fire that same week for allegedly selling whale meat to Latvia and Denmark. The amount in question was 250 kg, but soon blossomed to 250 tonnes in subsequent retellings in some international media. This coincided with the CoP15 CITES conference in Doha, Qatar and the accusation was brought by the IWAF. If the plan is to isolate Iceland internationally, the wikileaks intrigue could be part of that plan, assuming it's an intelligence operation.
Madsen on Jones' show repeated that John of Cryptome called wikileaks a CIA front after leaving the organization. Wikileaks on its skeleton website published very few documents in the last few months, most of them concerning Iceland and ICESAVE, but also the document at the center of the Cryptome and Microsoft dispute, for which Cryptome briefly went offline. Interesting use of supposedly limited resources, if there really is such anomosity between cryptome and wikileaks, about which I know nothing more than what has been claimed by others.
The WMR blog paints a grand conspiracy by Soros, but some of the details don't pan. If Soros wanted an entry to Greenland, consolidating a base in Iceland is ineffective. He'd want to cultivate Danish Queen Margarethe, or a position in Denmark, or simply move in to Greenland, because there are no barriers to entry there. Another point: the Greenland icecap isn't melting, and Soros knows that. Greenland has mineral wealth, but quick profits would be for uranium and gold, not rare-earths, at least that's how I perceive it. Greenland has gold and uranium, and there is an ALCOA project going forward there for aluminium, as well as petroleum multinationals doing exploratory drilling around Disko Bay. The Greenland homerule government, nanoq.gl, is in charge of the mineral franchises and don't seem particularly chosey as to whom they work with. This part of the blog stirkes me as nonsense.
Soros could use Wikileaks to leak sensitive and damaging information about Baer or UBS or whichever bank, but that works both ways, others could do the same. Assange's hacking credentials haven't been established by the blog, but the connexion with the National Endowment for Democracy is intriguing, even if it comes through a person who may be tangential.
To cut it short: What intelligence interest is Wikileaks serving by releasing McChrystal's private snuff film killing journalists and civilians in Afghanistan, and what intelligence interest is Wikileaks serving by pretending to be surveilled in Iceland and Norway, and what intelligence interest is served by the US attacking its own intelligence asset, or at least publishing documents about attacking same asset? If the answer is some nebulous Soros conspiracy involving replacing Barry Soetoro in the next presidential election while waiting for the Greenlandic icecap to melt, I call bullshit, with the caveat that I don't what John of Cryptome has to say about it, and would be interested to hear.
Again, the Pentagon document calls for discrediting wikileaks in the public eye. Is Madsen doing that, is he playing the part of useful idiot, or is he right?
PS I'm not sure where this fits in, but wikileaks presented partisan editorial comments in favour of Soetoro during the democratic nominating process when it released documents they felt were meant to defame him and his candidacy, and it is clear Soetoro has CIA connexions.
I think it's very healthy to question Wikileaks' motives and sources of funding and information. I've been watching their scoops for years. It's entirely possible they are throughly infiltrated or even a front organization, but there's reason to question that thesis as well.
First, China and Thailand have gripes with Wikileaks over information published. Calling them CIA is a convenient way of skirting issues raised by documents released, at least in the domestic arena. If Wikileaks were genuine, then they would be making enemies among all governments, which seems to be the case. GErmany tried to shut them down, raided servers or something, Australia and Denmark blocked them for publishing lists of banned/filtered websites, etc. I automatically discount the Thai and Chinese claims.
Second, if Wikileaks is a US intelligence operation (or Mossad), there is something very elaborate going on here, when you consider the the Pentagon's document on how to destroy the Wikileaks intel operation, the intrigues in Iceland and the fact that Wikileaks has been claiming to be broke for the last 2 or so months, and is running a skeleton website at this point.
Why would the US attacks its own front, and why would the front appear to be financially broke?
It might be worth noting that Iceland, besides the above-posted Dutch private military operation, also came under fire that same week for allegedly selling whale meat to Latvia and Denmark. The amount in question was 250 kg, but soon blossomed to 250 tonnes in subsequent retellings in some international media. This coincided with the CoP15 CITES conference in Doha, Qatar and the accusation was brought by the IWAF. If the plan is to isolate Iceland internationally, the wikileaks intrigue could be part of that plan, assuming it's an intelligence operation.
Madsen on Jones' show repeated that John of Cryptome called wikileaks a CIA front after leaving the organization. Wikileaks on its skeleton website published very few documents in the last few months, most of them concerning Iceland and ICESAVE, but also the document at the center of the Cryptome and Microsoft dispute, for which Cryptome briefly went offline. Interesting use of supposedly limited resources, if there really is such anomosity between cryptome and wikileaks, about which I know nothing more than what has been claimed by others.
The WMR blog paints a grand conspiracy by Soros, but some of the details don't pan. If Soros wanted an entry to Greenland, consolidating a base in Iceland is ineffective. He'd want to cultivate Danish Queen Margarethe, or a position in Denmark, or simply move in to Greenland, because there are no barriers to entry there. Another point: the Greenland icecap isn't melting, and Soros knows that. Greenland has mineral wealth, but quick profits would be for uranium and gold, not rare-earths, at least that's how I perceive it. Greenland has gold and uranium, and there is an ALCOA project going forward there for aluminium, as well as petroleum multinationals doing exploratory drilling around Disko Bay. The Greenland homerule government, nanoq.gl, is in charge of the mineral franchises and don't seem particularly chosey as to whom they work with. This part of the blog stirkes me as nonsense.
Soros could use Wikileaks to leak sensitive and damaging information about Baer or UBS or whichever bank, but that works both ways, others could do the same. Assange's hacking credentials haven't been established by the blog, but the connexion with the National Endowment for Democracy is intriguing, even if it comes through a person who may be tangential.
To cut it short: What intelligence interest is Wikileaks serving by releasing McChrystal's private snuff film killing journalists and civilians in Afghanistan, and what intelligence interest is Wikileaks serving by pretending to be surveilled in Iceland and Norway, and what intelligence interest is served by the US attacking its own intelligence asset, or at least publishing documents about attacking same asset? If the answer is some nebulous Soros conspiracy involving replacing Barry Soetoro in the next presidential election while waiting for the Greenlandic icecap to melt, I call bullshit, with the caveat that I don't what John of Cryptome has to say about it, and would be interested to hear.
Again, the Pentagon document calls for discrediting wikileaks in the public eye. Is Madsen doing that, is he playing the part of useful idiot, or is he right?
PS I'm not sure where this fits in, but wikileaks presented partisan editorial comments in favour of Soetoro during the democratic nominating process when it released documents they felt were meant to defame him and his candidacy, and it is clear Soetoro has CIA connexions.