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Robert Vinson
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You should read his authorized book called 'Flight From Dallas'. In it he includes enough proof for me that he actually did work at Area 51. I've read the book, never seen the videos, but would imagine these minor apparent discrepancies are due to age and passage of time - as well as nervousness about what he witnessed. If nothing else, in a fair world [which we don't have] someone should be able to check if Roswell was on alert/lockdown that day at that time....such records should exist [if classified] and/or other witnesses remember. That alone would go a long way to making his story more believable. The flightlog of that plane may have once existed - though likely obscured; or now after his telling, destroyed. I see little logic in his inventing this tale at his age and with the consequences he always feared. The only reason to invent such that makes sense is to be part of a cover-up of other real exfiltration flight[s] - either way they need to be investigated [officially NONE were!!! - even the Soutre being kicked out of USA just after Dallas or the few possible mechanics stopped leaving Dallas in cars, and other means of travel, never were!!]. The fact that Plumlee's, January's and Vinson's stories all relate to persons involved in the events of Dallas being exfiltrated by plane(s) some hours after the shooting were NOT investigated makes me smell more of a rat with the investigations than with those who told this. By the way, Plumlee was asked about his flight [among other things related to his tale of events of Dallas] by Kerry's subcommittee in secret session - the questions and answers are classified and have not been released. I had this confirmed to me in person and some detail by a very high level individual in Kerry's office, long ago. So, under penalty of perjury he said a lot about this all...would be interesting to know what, and should be released under JFK Act, but, sadly, is likely officially exempt. January's sworn affidavit is available. The WC, HSCA, and Church all had been informed of at least two of these 'tellings' - but didn't see 'fit' to even examine them, as far as can be discerned.

I wish we had a Chinese monkey image of covering of eyes, ears, mouth - as I'd place it here, now.

Drew Phipps Wrote:This is an old thread, I know, but I just ran across Robert Vinson's story and watched the videos. He certainly struck me as a credible speaker. However, the devil is in the details, as is said. He does have some errors in the details.

He says he went to Washington DC on Wednesday, 11/19/63. (That date is actually a Tuesday.)

He says he boarded a C-54 (with CIA markings?) at Arlington AFB 11/22/63 and took off between 8:30 AM and 9:00 AM heading west for Denver. At 12:29 the pilot announced that JFK had been shot. (Oops, JFK was shot after 12:30. Bad news travels fast.)

The plane then made a "180" degree turn left and headed south. He is gently corrected by his attorney to "90" degrees left. (funny that an Air Force guy wouldn't know that, but a turn to 180 degrees is directly south. After 3.5 - 4 hours at the cruising speed of a C-54 (190 mph) the plane would have been approaching St. Louis, and a 45 degree turn left at most would have been required to head to Dallas from there. It would have taken the plane 2 more hours flying directly west to reach a spot mostly "north" from Dallas, too late to be contemporaneous with the shooting.)

The plane flew to Dallas and landed in the Trinity River bed (near Oak Cliff), on a road under construction. He could see water and trees to the north. (I have been unable to definitively identify this road, but from the description it sounds like it could be Sargent Road. It is the only place south of the river, close to Oak Cliff, with a straight enough stretch of riverbed, without intervening bridges, for a (southbound) C-54 to land. I don't know when the road was finished, but the riverbed park "Sargent Park" opened in 1971 with an address on "Sargent Road".)

Oswald (or a lookalike) and a husky Cuban left a yellow construction-type Jeep (driven by a third party) and boarded the plane which took off without refueling. (It's 600 miles from St Louis to Dallas, at 190 mph, 3.2 hours or now about 3:45 PM. The "real" Oswald was arrested by then.)

They landed at a mysterious destination (which turned out to be Roswell AFB) at "dusk" and Oswald, the Cuban, and the flight crew of 2 deplaned and disappeared. The base was on lockdown. Vinson was left on his own. (It's 450 miles from Dallas to Roswell, which at 190 mph is a flight time of 2.4 hours, bringing us to at least 6:15 PM (and probably much later after allowing for taxiing twice, turning around, takeoff, and 2 landings. Sunset in Roswell NM on Nov 22 is right at 5:00 PM. It's not dusk, its night-time by then. To make the trip in 4.5 hours you'd have to average 240 mph which is about 90% the maximum speed of the aircraft. That would certainly be a memorable experience but Vinson doesn't mention any rough flight details.)

So Vinson's story, as interesting as it is, fails on some critical details. Some of those failings might be related to age or passage of time. He was also allegedly stationed at Area 51 for a period of time. (He might have flying saucer tales to tell as well?) He appears sincere, but I would be careful accepting his tale without more.
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Robert Vinson - by Magda Hassan - 24-03-2010, 03:22 AM
Robert Vinson - by Phil Dragoo - 24-03-2010, 09:21 AM
Robert Vinson - by Magda Hassan - 24-03-2010, 10:37 AM
Robert Vinson - by Lauren Johnson - 07-01-2011, 03:27 AM
Robert Vinson - by Robert Morrow - 07-01-2011, 03:34 AM
Robert Vinson - by Charles Drago - 07-01-2011, 03:36 AM
Robert Vinson - by Lauren Johnson - 18-01-2011, 09:04 PM
Robert Vinson - by Charles Drago - 18-01-2011, 10:26 PM
Robert Vinson - by Seamus Coogan - 19-01-2011, 09:44 PM
Robert Vinson - by Dawn Meredith - 19-01-2011, 10:36 PM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 22-01-2011, 03:54 PM
Robert Vinson - by Charles Drago - 22-01-2011, 04:00 PM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 22-01-2011, 05:30 PM
Robert Vinson - by Albert Doyle - 22-01-2011, 05:56 PM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 22-01-2011, 06:39 PM
Robert Vinson - by Drew Phipps - 02-07-2014, 11:41 PM
Robert Vinson - by Lauren Johnson - 03-07-2014, 03:41 AM
Robert Vinson - by Albert Doyle - 03-07-2014, 03:56 AM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 03-07-2014, 05:23 AM
Robert Vinson - by Drew Phipps - 03-07-2014, 02:23 PM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 03-07-2014, 02:37 PM
Robert Vinson - by Drew Phipps - 03-07-2014, 02:45 PM
Robert Vinson - by Albert Doyle - 03-07-2014, 04:38 PM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 03-07-2014, 06:05 PM
Robert Vinson - by Drew Phipps - 03-07-2014, 11:42 PM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 04-07-2014, 05:06 AM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 04-07-2014, 06:38 AM
Robert Vinson - by Drew Phipps - 04-07-2014, 05:13 PM
Robert Vinson - by Albert Doyle - 04-07-2014, 05:42 PM
Robert Vinson - by Drew Phipps - 04-07-2014, 11:32 PM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 05-07-2014, 06:43 AM
Robert Vinson - by Drew Phipps - 05-07-2014, 03:27 PM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 05-07-2014, 04:09 PM
Robert Vinson - by Lauren Johnson - 05-07-2014, 04:31 PM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 05-07-2014, 04:34 PM
Robert Vinson - by Albert Doyle - 05-07-2014, 05:10 PM
Robert Vinson - by Dawn Meredith - 05-07-2014, 05:22 PM
Robert Vinson - by Lauren Johnson - 05-07-2014, 05:24 PM
Robert Vinson - by Albert Doyle - 05-07-2014, 05:31 PM
Robert Vinson - by Drew Phipps - 05-07-2014, 06:25 PM
Robert Vinson - by Lauren Johnson - 05-07-2014, 07:17 PM
Robert Vinson - by Albert Doyle - 05-07-2014, 07:23 PM
Robert Vinson - by Drew Phipps - 05-07-2014, 07:44 PM
Robert Vinson - by Peter Lemkin - 05-07-2014, 08:10 PM

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