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			<title><![CDATA[Genocide, Genocide Convention, Raphael Lemkin]]></title>
			<link>https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/showthread.php?tid=16436</link>
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			<description><![CDATA[They are a rather small group and have just started a few years ago. I've been in contact with them. Yes, they are on the correct side of history and ethics/international law. Most of them that make up the Institute (not all) happen to be Jewish, but like me, and like my uncle Raphael were he still alive, condemn in the strongest terms what Israeli Zionism is doing against the Palestinians. It is pure genocide as defined by my uncle in his Genocide Convention at the United Nations. They have gotten a lot of angry push-back mostly by Jewish groups who blindly support anything Israel does and by the Christian Zionists who believe (and hope for) the end of the World coming soon starting with a major war in Biblical Palestine. They have a good website and put out a journal. There are many other groups now who's main purpose is to identify and try to bring to justice acts of Genocide, which sadly have never ended since WWII [and long predate that time]. Maybe I'll make a new thread and list some of the ones I know about and their websites. There is also a long and 'hidden' hidden history of Israel I could outline and mention some great books on the subject. The population of Israel is split [not the leadership of the country who are nearly all fascists and genocidally oriented against the Palestinians] - slightly less than half totally condemn what their leaders are doing and believe the land and laws should be shared equally with the Palestinians who lived there for at least two thousand years or longer. Slightly more than half sadly want to destroy Palestinians, having robbed their land and their homes they want to rob them of their lives, history and future survival. Trump of course also wants to do this and make Gaza into a Trump theme park. Disgusting and sad. More US Jews are pro-Palestinian than those in Israel now [it changes over time in both locations], but Trump and his thugs are trying to get all universities to throw out any Jewish or other students who protest the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank by Israel. The also label it antisemitism, which it is NOT. More later and will start a new thread on all this.....<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>(07-04-2025, 09:36 PM)Lauren Johnson Wrote: Wrote:</cite>Your Uncle Lemkin's institute has put out a condemnation on the Gaza Genocide:<br />
 <br />
 <a href="https://www.lemkininstitute.com/active-genocide-alert-1/israel-is-committing-genocide-across-palestine%3A-active-genocide-alert-condemning-ongoing-violence-in-the-west-bank" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.lemkininstitute.com/active-g...-west-bank</a></blockquote>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[They are a rather small group and have just started a few years ago. I've been in contact with them. Yes, they are on the correct side of history and ethics/international law. Most of them that make up the Institute (not all) happen to be Jewish, but like me, and like my uncle Raphael were he still alive, condemn in the strongest terms what Israeli Zionism is doing against the Palestinians. It is pure genocide as defined by my uncle in his Genocide Convention at the United Nations. They have gotten a lot of angry push-back mostly by Jewish groups who blindly support anything Israel does and by the Christian Zionists who believe (and hope for) the end of the World coming soon starting with a major war in Biblical Palestine. They have a good website and put out a journal. There are many other groups now who's main purpose is to identify and try to bring to justice acts of Genocide, which sadly have never ended since WWII [and long predate that time]. Maybe I'll make a new thread and list some of the ones I know about and their websites. There is also a long and 'hidden' hidden history of Israel I could outline and mention some great books on the subject. The population of Israel is split [not the leadership of the country who are nearly all fascists and genocidally oriented against the Palestinians] - slightly less than half totally condemn what their leaders are doing and believe the land and laws should be shared equally with the Palestinians who lived there for at least two thousand years or longer. Slightly more than half sadly want to destroy Palestinians, having robbed their land and their homes they want to rob them of their lives, history and future survival. Trump of course also wants to do this and make Gaza into a Trump theme park. Disgusting and sad. More US Jews are pro-Palestinian than those in Israel now [it changes over time in both locations], but Trump and his thugs are trying to get all universities to throw out any Jewish or other students who protest the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank by Israel. The also label it antisemitism, which it is NOT. More later and will start a new thread on all this.....<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>(07-04-2025, 09:36 PM)Lauren Johnson Wrote: Wrote:</cite>Your Uncle Lemkin's institute has put out a condemnation on the Gaza Genocide:<br />
 <br />
 <a href="https://www.lemkininstitute.com/active-genocide-alert-1/israel-is-committing-genocide-across-palestine%3A-active-genocide-alert-condemning-ongoing-violence-in-the-west-bank" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://www.lemkininstitute.com/active-g...-west-bank</a></blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[The Magintsky Myth Exploded]]></title>
			<link>https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/showthread.php?tid=16118</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2019 13:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/member.php?action=profile&uid=2">David Guyatt</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[It was always a fake story perpetuated by a crook (imo) to cover his ass and get control of Russian assets he didn't deserve.  And the adoption of the Act by the US was, therefore, a political decision knowingly based on a false narrative.<br />
<br />
Nothing new here folks...<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">The Magnitskiy Myth Exploded [URL="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/the-magnitskiy-myth-exploded/?fbclid=IwAR1KITnuXtUX03MNIt9zFAOzctzGHfl2KyFofOj6ZcURpqYZU_jxdtlmWDc#tc-comment-title"]<div style="text-align: center;" class="mycode_align"><span style="color: #E83D12;" class="mycode_color">1 </span></div>
[/URL]</span>by Craig Murray<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/16/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">16 Sep, 2019</a>  in <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/category/uncategorized/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Uncategorized </a>by <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/author/craigm/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">craig</a><br />
<hr class="mycode_hr" />The conscientious judges of the European Court of Human Rights published a judgement a fortnight ago which utterly exploded the version of events promulgated by Western governments and media in the case of the late Mr Magnitskiy. Yet I can find no truthful report of the judgement in the mainstream media at all.<br />
<br />
The myth is that Magnitskiy was an honest rights campaigner and accountant who discovered corruption by Russian officials and threatened to expose it, and was consequently imprisoned on false charges and then tortured and killed. A campaign over his death was led by his former business partner, hedge fund manager Bill Browder, who wanted massive compensation for Russian assets allegedly swindled from their venture. The campaign led to the passing of the Magnitskiy Act in the United States, providing powers for sanctioning individuals responsible for human rights abuses, and also led to matching sanctions being developed by the EU.<br />
<br />
However the European Court of Human Rights has found, in judging a case brought against Russia by the Magnitskiy family, that <a href="https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng-press#%7B%22itemid%22:%5B%22003-6486375-8551786%22" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">}]the very essence of this story is untrue</a>. They find that there was credible evidence that Magnitskiy was indeed engaged in tax fraud, in conspiracy with Browder, and he was rightfully charged. The ECHR also found there was credible evidence that Magnitskiy was indeed a flight risk so he was rightfully detained. And most crucially of all, they find that there was credible evidence of tax fraud by Magnitskiy and action by the authorities "years" before he started to make counter-accusations of corruption against officials investigating his case. <br />
<br />
This judgement utterly explodes the accepted narrative, and does it very succinctly:<div style="margin-left: 1em;">
The applicants argued that Mr Magnitskiy's arrest had not been based on a reasonable suspicion of a<br />
crime and that the authorities had lacked impartiality as they had actually wanted to force him to<br />
retract his allegations of corruption by State officials. The Government argued that there had been<br />
ample evidence of tax evasion and that Mr Magnitskiy had been a flight risk.<br />
The Court reiterated the general principles on arbitrary detention, which could arise if the<br />
authorities had complied with the letter of the law but had acted with bad faith or deception. It<br />
found no such elements in this case: the enquiry into alleged tax evasion which had led to<br />
Mr Magnitskiy's arrest had begun long before he had complained of fraud by officials. The decision<br />
to arrest him had only been made after investigators had learned that he had previously applied for<br />
a UK visa, had booked tickets to Kyiv, and had not been residing at his registered address.<br />
Furthermore, the evidence against him, including witness testimony, had been enough to satisfy an<br />
objective observer that he might have committed the offence in question. The list of reasons given<br />
by the domestic court to justify his subsequent detention had been specific and sufficiently detailed.<br />
The Court thus rejected the applicants' complaint about Mr Magnitskiy's arrest and subsequent<br />
detention as being manifestly ill-founded.<br />
<br />
</div>
"Manifestly ill founded". The mainstream media ran reams of reporting about the Magnitskiy case at the time of the passing of the Magnitskiy Act. I am offering a bottle of Lagavulin to anybody who can find me an honest and fair MSM report of this judgement reflecting that the whole story was built on lies. <br />
<br />
Magnitskiy did not uncover corruption then get arrested on false charges of tax evasion. He was arrested on credible charges of tax evasion, and subsequently started alleging corruption. That does not mean his accusations were unfounded. It does however cast his arrest in a very different light.<br />
<br />
Where the Court did find in favour of Magnitskiy's family is that he had been deprived of sufficient medical attention and subject to brutality while in jail. I have no doubt this is true. Conditions in Russian jails are a disgrace, as is the entire Russian criminal justice system. There are few fair trials and conviction rates remain well over 90%  the judges assume that if you are being prosecuted, the state wants you locked up, and they comply. This is one of many areas where the Putin era will be seen in retrospect as lacking in meaningful and needed domestic reform. Sadly what happened to Magnitskiy on remand was not special mistreatment. It is what happens in Russian prisons. The Court also found Magnitskiy's subsequent conviction for tax evasion was unsafe, but only on the (excellent) grounds that it was wrong to convict him posthumously.<br />
<br />
The first use of the Magnitsky Act was to sanction those subject to Browder's vendetta in his attempts to regain control of vast fortunes in Russian assets. But you may be surprised to hear I do not object to the legislation, which in principle is a good thing  although the chances of Western governments bringing sanctions to bear on the worst human rights abusers are of course minimal. Do not expect it to be used against Saudi Arabia, Bahrain or Israel any time soon.</blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[It was always a fake story perpetuated by a crook (imo) to cover his ass and get control of Russian assets he didn't deserve.  And the adoption of the Act by the US was, therefore, a political decision knowingly based on a false narrative.<br />
<br />
Nothing new here folks...<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">The Magnitskiy Myth Exploded [URL="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/the-magnitskiy-myth-exploded/?fbclid=IwAR1KITnuXtUX03MNIt9zFAOzctzGHfl2KyFofOj6ZcURpqYZU_jxdtlmWDc#tc-comment-title"]<div style="text-align: center;" class="mycode_align"><span style="color: #E83D12;" class="mycode_color">1 </span></div>
[/URL]</span>by Craig Murray<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/16/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">16 Sep, 2019</a>  in <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/category/uncategorized/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Uncategorized </a>by <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/author/craigm/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">craig</a><br />
<hr class="mycode_hr" />The conscientious judges of the European Court of Human Rights published a judgement a fortnight ago which utterly exploded the version of events promulgated by Western governments and media in the case of the late Mr Magnitskiy. Yet I can find no truthful report of the judgement in the mainstream media at all.<br />
<br />
The myth is that Magnitskiy was an honest rights campaigner and accountant who discovered corruption by Russian officials and threatened to expose it, and was consequently imprisoned on false charges and then tortured and killed. A campaign over his death was led by his former business partner, hedge fund manager Bill Browder, who wanted massive compensation for Russian assets allegedly swindled from their venture. The campaign led to the passing of the Magnitskiy Act in the United States, providing powers for sanctioning individuals responsible for human rights abuses, and also led to matching sanctions being developed by the EU.<br />
<br />
However the European Court of Human Rights has found, in judging a case brought against Russia by the Magnitskiy family, that <a href="https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng-press#%7B%22itemid%22:%5B%22003-6486375-8551786%22" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">}]the very essence of this story is untrue</a>. They find that there was credible evidence that Magnitskiy was indeed engaged in tax fraud, in conspiracy with Browder, and he was rightfully charged. The ECHR also found there was credible evidence that Magnitskiy was indeed a flight risk so he was rightfully detained. And most crucially of all, they find that there was credible evidence of tax fraud by Magnitskiy and action by the authorities "years" before he started to make counter-accusations of corruption against officials investigating his case. <br />
<br />
This judgement utterly explodes the accepted narrative, and does it very succinctly:<div style="margin-left: 1em;">
The applicants argued that Mr Magnitskiy's arrest had not been based on a reasonable suspicion of a<br />
crime and that the authorities had lacked impartiality as they had actually wanted to force him to<br />
retract his allegations of corruption by State officials. The Government argued that there had been<br />
ample evidence of tax evasion and that Mr Magnitskiy had been a flight risk.<br />
The Court reiterated the general principles on arbitrary detention, which could arise if the<br />
authorities had complied with the letter of the law but had acted with bad faith or deception. It<br />
found no such elements in this case: the enquiry into alleged tax evasion which had led to<br />
Mr Magnitskiy's arrest had begun long before he had complained of fraud by officials. The decision<br />
to arrest him had only been made after investigators had learned that he had previously applied for<br />
a UK visa, had booked tickets to Kyiv, and had not been residing at his registered address.<br />
Furthermore, the evidence against him, including witness testimony, had been enough to satisfy an<br />
objective observer that he might have committed the offence in question. The list of reasons given<br />
by the domestic court to justify his subsequent detention had been specific and sufficiently detailed.<br />
The Court thus rejected the applicants' complaint about Mr Magnitskiy's arrest and subsequent<br />
detention as being manifestly ill-founded.<br />
<br />
</div>
"Manifestly ill founded". The mainstream media ran reams of reporting about the Magnitskiy case at the time of the passing of the Magnitskiy Act. I am offering a bottle of Lagavulin to anybody who can find me an honest and fair MSM report of this judgement reflecting that the whole story was built on lies. <br />
<br />
Magnitskiy did not uncover corruption then get arrested on false charges of tax evasion. He was arrested on credible charges of tax evasion, and subsequently started alleging corruption. That does not mean his accusations were unfounded. It does however cast his arrest in a very different light.<br />
<br />
Where the Court did find in favour of Magnitskiy's family is that he had been deprived of sufficient medical attention and subject to brutality while in jail. I have no doubt this is true. Conditions in Russian jails are a disgrace, as is the entire Russian criminal justice system. There are few fair trials and conviction rates remain well over 90%  the judges assume that if you are being prosecuted, the state wants you locked up, and they comply. This is one of many areas where the Putin era will be seen in retrospect as lacking in meaningful and needed domestic reform. Sadly what happened to Magnitskiy on remand was not special mistreatment. It is what happens in Russian prisons. The Court also found Magnitskiy's subsequent conviction for tax evasion was unsafe, but only on the (excellent) grounds that it was wrong to convict him posthumously.<br />
<br />
The first use of the Magnitsky Act was to sanction those subject to Browder's vendetta in his attempts to regain control of vast fortunes in Russian assets. But you may be surprised to hear I do not object to the legislation, which in principle is a good thing  although the chances of Western governments bringing sanctions to bear on the worst human rights abusers are of course minimal. Do not expect it to be used against Saudi Arabia, Bahrain or Israel any time soon.</blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[The World's Most Important Political Prisoner]]></title>
			<link>https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/showthread.php?tid=16116</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2019 13:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/member.php?action=profile&uid=2">David Guyatt</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[I find ut bizarre - almost beyond believe, in fact - that it is just as much the liberals and the left as the right that have merrily adopted the BS lies and propaganda about Julian Assange.  It's a though we're living in a parallel universe.<br />
<br />
Besides that, what good is the law when it has become so utterly politicised?  Much of the state apparatus, the media and the law ---- in the UK these days is wholly craven not to mention corrupt. This is yet another clear sign, for me anyway, that confirms that the West is crumbling and fragmenting.<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">The World's Most Important Political Prisoner [URL="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/the-worlds-most-important-political-prisoner/?fbclid=IwAR36i2SGA8n-Ph5SiIu7E5h5HmmSrNVvP1wAIk4guXUqZY1tqdLJ-gUafvE#tc-comment-title"]<div style="text-align: center;" class="mycode_align">
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[/URL]</span><a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/15/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">15 Sep, 2019</a>  in <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/category/uncategorized/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Uncategorized </a>by <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/author/craigm/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">craig</a><br />
<hr class="mycode_hr" />We are now just one week away from the end of Julian Assange's uniquely lengthy imprisonment for bail violation. He will receive parole from the rest of that sentence, but will continued to be imprisoned on remand awaiting his hearing on extradition to the USA  a process which could last several years.<br />
<br />
At that point, all the excuses for Assange's imprisonment which so-called leftists and liberals in the UK have hidden behind will evaporate. There are no charges and no active investigation in Sweden, where the "evidence" disintegrated at the first whiff of critical scrutiny. He is no longer imprisoned for "jumping bail". The sole reason for his incarceration will be the publshing of the Afghan and Iraq war logs leaked by Chelsea Manning, with their evidence of wrongdoing and multiple war crimes. <br />
<br />
In imprisoning Assange for bail violation, the UK was in clear defiance of the judgement of the UN Working Group on arbitrary Detention, <a href="https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24042" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">which stated</a><br />
<div style="margin-left: 1em;">
Under international law, pre-trial detention must be only imposed in limited instances. Detention during investigations must be even more limited, especially in the absence of any charge. The Swedish investigations have been closed for over 18 months now, and the only ground remaining for Mr. Assange's continued deprivation of liberty is a bail violation in the UK, which is, objectively, a minor offense that cannot post facto justify the more than 6 years confinement that he has been subjected to since he sought asylum in the Embassy of Ecuador. Mr. Assange should be able to exercise his right to freedom of movement in an unhindered manner, in accordance with the human rights conventions the UK has ratified,<br />
<br />
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In repudiating the UNWGAD the UK has undermined an important pillar of international law, and one it had always supported in hundreds of other decisions. The mainstream media has entirely failed to note that the UNWGAD <a href="https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24073&amp;LangID=E" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">called for the release</a> of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe  a source of potentially valuable international pressure on Iran which the UK has made worthless by its own refusal to comply with the UN over the Assange case. Iran simply replies "if you do not respect the UNWGAD then why should we?"<br />
<br />
It is in fact a key indication of media/government collusion that the British media, which reports regularly at every pretext on the Zaghari-Ratcliffe case to further its anti-Iranian government agenda, failed to report at all the UNWGAD call for her release  because of the desire to deny the UN body credibility in the case of Julian Assange.<br />
In applying for political asylum, Assange was entering a different and higher legal process which is an internationally recognised right. A very high percentage of dissident political prisoners worldwide are imprisoned on ostensibly unrelated criminal charges with which the authorities fit them up. Many a dissident has been given asylum in these circumstances. Assange did not go into hiding  his whereabouts were extremely well known. The <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49689167" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">simple characterisation </a>of this as "absconding" by district judge Vanessa Baraitser is a farce of justice  and like the UK's repudiation of the UNWGAD report, is an attitude that authoritarian regimes will be delighted to repeat towards dissidents worldwide<br />
<br />
Her decision to commit Assange to continuing jail pending his extradition hearing was excessively cruel given the serious health problems he has encountered in Belmarsh.<br />
<br />
It is worth noting that Baraitser's claim that Assange had a "history of absconding in these proceedings"  and I have already disposed of "absconding" as wildly inappropriate  is inaccurate in that "these proceedings" are entirely new and relate to the US extradition request and nothing but the US extradition request. Assange has been imprisoned throughout the period of "these proceedings" and has certainly not absconded. The government and media have an interest in conflating "these proceedings" with the previous risible allegations from Sweden and the subsequent conviction for bail violation, but we need to untangle this malicious conflation. We have to make plain that Assange is now held for publishing and only for publishing. That a judge should conflate them is disgusting. Vanessa Baraitser is a disgrace.<br />
Assange has been demonised by the media as a dangerous, insanitary and crazed criminal, which could not be further from the truth. It is worth reminding ourselves that Assange has never been convicted of anything but missing police bail. <br />
<br />
So now we have a right wing government in the UK with scant concern for democracy, and in particular we have the most far right extremist as Home Secretary of modern times. Assange is now, plainly and without argument, a political prisoner. He is not in jail for bail-jumping. He is not in jail for sexual allegations. He is in jail for publishing official secrets, and for nothing else. The UK now has the world's most famous political prisoner, and there are no rational grounds to deny that fact. Who will take a stand against authoritarianism and for the freedom to publish?</blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I find ut bizarre - almost beyond believe, in fact - that it is just as much the liberals and the left as the right that have merrily adopted the BS lies and propaganda about Julian Assange.  It's a though we're living in a parallel universe.<br />
<br />
Besides that, what good is the law when it has become so utterly politicised?  Much of the state apparatus, the media and the law ---- in the UK these days is wholly craven not to mention corrupt. This is yet another clear sign, for me anyway, that confirms that the West is crumbling and fragmenting.<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">The World's Most Important Political Prisoner [URL="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/the-worlds-most-important-political-prisoner/?fbclid=IwAR36i2SGA8n-Ph5SiIu7E5h5HmmSrNVvP1wAIk4guXUqZY1tqdLJ-gUafvE#tc-comment-title"]<div style="text-align: center;" class="mycode_align">
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[/URL]</span><a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/15/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">15 Sep, 2019</a>  in <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/category/uncategorized/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Uncategorized </a>by <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/author/craigm/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">craig</a><br />
<hr class="mycode_hr" />We are now just one week away from the end of Julian Assange's uniquely lengthy imprisonment for bail violation. He will receive parole from the rest of that sentence, but will continued to be imprisoned on remand awaiting his hearing on extradition to the USA  a process which could last several years.<br />
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At that point, all the excuses for Assange's imprisonment which so-called leftists and liberals in the UK have hidden behind will evaporate. There are no charges and no active investigation in Sweden, where the "evidence" disintegrated at the first whiff of critical scrutiny. He is no longer imprisoned for "jumping bail". The sole reason for his incarceration will be the publshing of the Afghan and Iraq war logs leaked by Chelsea Manning, with their evidence of wrongdoing and multiple war crimes. <br />
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In imprisoning Assange for bail violation, the UK was in clear defiance of the judgement of the UN Working Group on arbitrary Detention, <a href="https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24042" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">which stated</a><br />
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Under international law, pre-trial detention must be only imposed in limited instances. Detention during investigations must be even more limited, especially in the absence of any charge. The Swedish investigations have been closed for over 18 months now, and the only ground remaining for Mr. Assange's continued deprivation of liberty is a bail violation in the UK, which is, objectively, a minor offense that cannot post facto justify the more than 6 years confinement that he has been subjected to since he sought asylum in the Embassy of Ecuador. Mr. Assange should be able to exercise his right to freedom of movement in an unhindered manner, in accordance with the human rights conventions the UK has ratified,<br />
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In repudiating the UNWGAD the UK has undermined an important pillar of international law, and one it had always supported in hundreds of other decisions. The mainstream media has entirely failed to note that the UNWGAD <a href="https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24073&amp;LangID=E" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">called for the release</a> of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe  a source of potentially valuable international pressure on Iran which the UK has made worthless by its own refusal to comply with the UN over the Assange case. Iran simply replies "if you do not respect the UNWGAD then why should we?"<br />
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It is in fact a key indication of media/government collusion that the British media, which reports regularly at every pretext on the Zaghari-Ratcliffe case to further its anti-Iranian government agenda, failed to report at all the UNWGAD call for her release  because of the desire to deny the UN body credibility in the case of Julian Assange.<br />
In applying for political asylum, Assange was entering a different and higher legal process which is an internationally recognised right. A very high percentage of dissident political prisoners worldwide are imprisoned on ostensibly unrelated criminal charges with which the authorities fit them up. Many a dissident has been given asylum in these circumstances. Assange did not go into hiding  his whereabouts were extremely well known. The <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49689167" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">simple characterisation </a>of this as "absconding" by district judge Vanessa Baraitser is a farce of justice  and like the UK's repudiation of the UNWGAD report, is an attitude that authoritarian regimes will be delighted to repeat towards dissidents worldwide<br />
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Her decision to commit Assange to continuing jail pending his extradition hearing was excessively cruel given the serious health problems he has encountered in Belmarsh.<br />
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It is worth noting that Baraitser's claim that Assange had a "history of absconding in these proceedings"  and I have already disposed of "absconding" as wildly inappropriate  is inaccurate in that "these proceedings" are entirely new and relate to the US extradition request and nothing but the US extradition request. Assange has been imprisoned throughout the period of "these proceedings" and has certainly not absconded. The government and media have an interest in conflating "these proceedings" with the previous risible allegations from Sweden and the subsequent conviction for bail violation, but we need to untangle this malicious conflation. We have to make plain that Assange is now held for publishing and only for publishing. That a judge should conflate them is disgusting. Vanessa Baraitser is a disgrace.<br />
Assange has been demonised by the media as a dangerous, insanitary and crazed criminal, which could not be further from the truth. It is worth reminding ourselves that Assange has never been convicted of anything but missing police bail. <br />
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So now we have a right wing government in the UK with scant concern for democracy, and in particular we have the most far right extremist as Home Secretary of modern times. Assange is now, plainly and without argument, a political prisoner. He is not in jail for bail-jumping. He is not in jail for sexual allegations. He is in jail for publishing official secrets, and for nothing else. The UK now has the world's most famous political prisoner, and there are no rational grounds to deny that fact. Who will take a stand against authoritarianism and for the freedom to publish?</blockquote>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2019 14:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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[TD]The glimpse of Julian Assange being dragged from the Ecuadorean embassy in London is an emblem of the times. Might against right. Muscle against the law. Indecency against courage. Six policemen manhandled a sick journalist, his eyes wincing against his first natural light in almost seven years.<br />
<br />
That this outrage happened in the heart of London, in the land of Magna Carta, ought to shame and anger all who fear for "democratic" societies. Assange is a political refugee protected by international law, the recipient of asylum under a strict covenant to which Britain is a signatory. The United Nations made this clear in the legal ruling of its Working Party on Arbitrary Detention.<br />
<br />
But to hell with that. Let the thugs go in. Directed by the quasi fascists in Trump's Washington, in league with Ecuador's Lenin Moreno, a Latin American Judas and liar seeking to disguise his rancid regime, the British elite abandoned its last imperial myth: that of fairness and justice.<br />
<br />
Imagine Tony Blair dragged from his multi-million pound Georgian home in Connaught Square, London, in handcuffs, for onward dispatch to the dock in The Hague. By the standard of Nuremberg, Blair's "paramount crime" is the deaths of a million Iraqis. Assange's crime is journalism: holding the rapacious to account, exposing their lies and empowering people all over the world with truth.<br />
<br />
The shocking arrest of Assange carries a warning for all who, as Oscar Wilde wrote, "sow the seeds of discontent [without which] there would be no advance towards civilisation". The warning is explicit towards journalists. What happened to the founder and editor of WikiLeaks can happen to you on a newspaper, you in a TV studio, you on radio, you running a podcast.<br />
<br />
Assange's principal media tormentor, the Guardian, a collaborator with the secret state, displayed its nervousness this week with an editorial that scaled new weasel heights. The Guardian has exploited the work of Assange and WikiLeaks in what its previous editor called "the greatest scoop of the last 30 years". The paper creamed off WikiLeaks' revelations and claimed the accolades and riches that came with them.<br />
<br />
With not a penny going to Julian Assange or to WikiLeaks, a hyped Guardian book led to a lucrative Hollywood movie. The book's authors, Luke Harding and David Leigh, turned on their source, abused him and disclosed the secret password Assange had given the paper in confidence, which was designed to protect a digital file containing leaked US embassy cables.<br />
<br />
With Assange now trapped in the Ecuadorean embassy, Harding joined the police outside and gloated on his blog that "Scotland Yard may get the last laugh". The Guardian has since published a series of falsehoods about Assange, not least a discredited claim that a group of Russians and Trump's man, Paul Manafort, had visited Assange in the embassy. The meetings never happened; it was fake.<br />
<br />
But the tone has now changed. "The Assange case is a morally tangled web," the paper opined. "He (Assange) believes in publishing things that should not be published.... But he has always shone a light on things that should never have been hidden."<br />
<br />
These "things" are the truth about the homicidal way America conducts its colonial wars, the lies of the British Foreign Office in its denial of rights to vulnerable people, such as the Chagos Islanders, the expose of Hillary Clinton as a backer and beneficiary of jihadism in the Middle East, the detailed description of American ambassadors of how the governments in Syria and Venezuela might be overthrown, and much more. It all available on the WikiLeaks site.<br />
<br />
The Guardian is understandably nervous. Secret policemen have already visited the newspaper and demanded and got the ritual destruction of a hard drive. On this, the paper has form. In 1983, a Foreign Office clerk, Sarah Tisdall, leaked British Government documents showing when American cruise nuclear weapons would arrive in Europe. The Guardian was showered with praise.<br />
<br />
When a court order demanded to know the source, instead of the editor going to prison on a fundamental principle of protecting a source, Tisdall was betrayed, prosecuted and served six months.<br />
<br />
If Assange is extradited to America for publishing what the Guardian calls truthful "things", what is to stop the current editor, Katherine Viner, following him, or the previous editor, Alan Rusbridger, or the prolific propagandist Luke Harding?<br />
<br />
What is to stop the editors of the New York Times and the Washington Post, who also published morsels of the truth that originated with WikiLeaks, and the editor of El Pais in Spain, and Der Spiegel in Germany and the Sydney Morning Herald in Australia. The list is long.<br />
<br />
David McCraw, lead lawyer of the New York Times, wrote: "I think the prosecution [of Assange] would be a very, very bad precedent for publishers... from everything I know, he's sort of in a classic publisher's position and the law would have a very hard time distinguishing between the New York Times and WilLeaks."<br />
<br />
Even if journalists who published WikiLeaks' leaks are not summoned by an American grand jury, the intimidation of Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning will be enough. Real journalism is being criminalised by thugs in plain sight. Dissent has become an indulgence.<br />
<br />
In Australia, the current America-besotted government is prosecuting two whistle-blowers who revealed that Canberra's spooks bugged the cabinet meetings of the new government of East Timor for the express purpose of cheating the tiny, impoverished nation out of its proper share of the oil and gas resources in the Timor Sea. Their trial will be held in secret. The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison, is infamous for his part in setting up concentration camps for refugees on the Pacific islands of Nauru and Manus, where children self harm and suicide. In 2014, Morrison proposed mass detention camps for 30,000 people.<br />
<br />
Real journalism is the enemy of these disgraces. A decade ago, the Ministry of Defence in London produced a secret document which described the "principal threats" to public order as threefold: terrorists, Russian spies and investigative journalists. The latter was designated the major threat.<br />
<br />
The document was duly leaked to WikiLeaks, which published it. "We had no choice," Assange told me. "It's very simple. People have a right to know and a right to question and challenge power. That's true democracy."<br />
<br />
What if Assange and Manning and others in their wake - if there are others - are silenced and "the right to know and question and challenge" is taken away?<br />
<br />
In the 1970s, I met Leni Reifenstahl, close friend of Adolf Hitler, whose films helped cast the Nazi spell over Germany.<br />
<br />
She told me that the message in her films, the propaganda, was dependent not on "orders from above" but on what she called the "submissive void" of the public.<br />
<br />
"Did this submissive void include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie?" I asked her.<br />
<br />
"Of course," she said, "especially the intelligentsia.... When people no longer ask serious questions, they are submissive and malleable. Anything can happen."<br />
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And did.<br />
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The rest, she might have added, is history.<br />
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[TD]The glimpse of Julian Assange being dragged from the Ecuadorean embassy in London is an emblem of the times. Might against right. Muscle against the law. Indecency against courage. Six policemen manhandled a sick journalist, his eyes wincing against his first natural light in almost seven years.<br />
<br />
That this outrage happened in the heart of London, in the land of Magna Carta, ought to shame and anger all who fear for "democratic" societies. Assange is a political refugee protected by international law, the recipient of asylum under a strict covenant to which Britain is a signatory. The United Nations made this clear in the legal ruling of its Working Party on Arbitrary Detention.<br />
<br />
But to hell with that. Let the thugs go in. Directed by the quasi fascists in Trump's Washington, in league with Ecuador's Lenin Moreno, a Latin American Judas and liar seeking to disguise his rancid regime, the British elite abandoned its last imperial myth: that of fairness and justice.<br />
<br />
Imagine Tony Blair dragged from his multi-million pound Georgian home in Connaught Square, London, in handcuffs, for onward dispatch to the dock in The Hague. By the standard of Nuremberg, Blair's "paramount crime" is the deaths of a million Iraqis. Assange's crime is journalism: holding the rapacious to account, exposing their lies and empowering people all over the world with truth.<br />
<br />
The shocking arrest of Assange carries a warning for all who, as Oscar Wilde wrote, "sow the seeds of discontent [without which] there would be no advance towards civilisation". The warning is explicit towards journalists. What happened to the founder and editor of WikiLeaks can happen to you on a newspaper, you in a TV studio, you on radio, you running a podcast.<br />
<br />
Assange's principal media tormentor, the Guardian, a collaborator with the secret state, displayed its nervousness this week with an editorial that scaled new weasel heights. The Guardian has exploited the work of Assange and WikiLeaks in what its previous editor called "the greatest scoop of the last 30 years". The paper creamed off WikiLeaks' revelations and claimed the accolades and riches that came with them.<br />
<br />
With not a penny going to Julian Assange or to WikiLeaks, a hyped Guardian book led to a lucrative Hollywood movie. The book's authors, Luke Harding and David Leigh, turned on their source, abused him and disclosed the secret password Assange had given the paper in confidence, which was designed to protect a digital file containing leaked US embassy cables.<br />
<br />
With Assange now trapped in the Ecuadorean embassy, Harding joined the police outside and gloated on his blog that "Scotland Yard may get the last laugh". The Guardian has since published a series of falsehoods about Assange, not least a discredited claim that a group of Russians and Trump's man, Paul Manafort, had visited Assange in the embassy. The meetings never happened; it was fake.<br />
<br />
But the tone has now changed. "The Assange case is a morally tangled web," the paper opined. "He (Assange) believes in publishing things that should not be published.... But he has always shone a light on things that should never have been hidden."<br />
<br />
These "things" are the truth about the homicidal way America conducts its colonial wars, the lies of the British Foreign Office in its denial of rights to vulnerable people, such as the Chagos Islanders, the expose of Hillary Clinton as a backer and beneficiary of jihadism in the Middle East, the detailed description of American ambassadors of how the governments in Syria and Venezuela might be overthrown, and much more. It all available on the WikiLeaks site.<br />
<br />
The Guardian is understandably nervous. Secret policemen have already visited the newspaper and demanded and got the ritual destruction of a hard drive. On this, the paper has form. In 1983, a Foreign Office clerk, Sarah Tisdall, leaked British Government documents showing when American cruise nuclear weapons would arrive in Europe. The Guardian was showered with praise.<br />
<br />
When a court order demanded to know the source, instead of the editor going to prison on a fundamental principle of protecting a source, Tisdall was betrayed, prosecuted and served six months.<br />
<br />
If Assange is extradited to America for publishing what the Guardian calls truthful "things", what is to stop the current editor, Katherine Viner, following him, or the previous editor, Alan Rusbridger, or the prolific propagandist Luke Harding?<br />
<br />
What is to stop the editors of the New York Times and the Washington Post, who also published morsels of the truth that originated with WikiLeaks, and the editor of El Pais in Spain, and Der Spiegel in Germany and the Sydney Morning Herald in Australia. The list is long.<br />
<br />
David McCraw, lead lawyer of the New York Times, wrote: "I think the prosecution [of Assange] would be a very, very bad precedent for publishers... from everything I know, he's sort of in a classic publisher's position and the law would have a very hard time distinguishing between the New York Times and WilLeaks."<br />
<br />
Even if journalists who published WikiLeaks' leaks are not summoned by an American grand jury, the intimidation of Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning will be enough. Real journalism is being criminalised by thugs in plain sight. Dissent has become an indulgence.<br />
<br />
In Australia, the current America-besotted government is prosecuting two whistle-blowers who revealed that Canberra's spooks bugged the cabinet meetings of the new government of East Timor for the express purpose of cheating the tiny, impoverished nation out of its proper share of the oil and gas resources in the Timor Sea. Their trial will be held in secret. The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison, is infamous for his part in setting up concentration camps for refugees on the Pacific islands of Nauru and Manus, where children self harm and suicide. In 2014, Morrison proposed mass detention camps for 30,000 people.<br />
<br />
Real journalism is the enemy of these disgraces. A decade ago, the Ministry of Defence in London produced a secret document which described the "principal threats" to public order as threefold: terrorists, Russian spies and investigative journalists. The latter was designated the major threat.<br />
<br />
The document was duly leaked to WikiLeaks, which published it. "We had no choice," Assange told me. "It's very simple. People have a right to know and a right to question and challenge power. That's true democracy."<br />
<br />
What if Assange and Manning and others in their wake - if there are others - are silenced and "the right to know and question and challenge" is taken away?<br />
<br />
In the 1970s, I met Leni Reifenstahl, close friend of Adolf Hitler, whose films helped cast the Nazi spell over Germany.<br />
<br />
She told me that the message in her films, the propaganda, was dependent not on "orders from above" but on what she called the "submissive void" of the public.<br />
<br />
"Did this submissive void include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie?" I asked her.<br />
<br />
"Of course," she said, "especially the intelligentsia.... When people no longer ask serious questions, they are submissive and malleable. Anything can happen."<br />
<br />
And did.<br />
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The rest, she might have added, is history.<br />
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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For the past several months, DreamHost has been working with the Department of Justice to comply with legal process, including a <a href="https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DH-Search-Warrant.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Search Warrant (PDF)</a> seeking information about one of our customers' websites.<br />
At the center of the requests is <a href="http://www.disruptj20.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">disruptj20.org</a>, a website that organized participants of political protests against the current United States administration. While we have no insight into the affidavit for the search warrant (those records are sealed), the DOJ has recently asked DreamHost to provide all information available to us about this website, its owner, and, more importantly, its <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">visitors</span>.<br />
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<h2>Records Requests</h2>DreamHost, like many online service providers, is approached by law enforcement regularly to provide information about customers who may be the subject of criminal investigations. These types of requests are not uncommon; our legal department reviews and scrutinizes each request and, when necessary, rejects and challenges vague or faulty orders.<br />
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You would be shocked to see just how many of these challenges we're obligated to mount every year!<br />
Chris Ghazarian, our General Counsel, has taken issue with this particular search warrant for being a highly untargeted demand that chills free association and the right of free speech afforded by the Constitution.<br />
<h2>Demand for Information</h2>The request from the DOJ demands that DreamHost hand over 1.3 million visitor IP addresses  in addition to contact information, email content, and photos of <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">thousands</span> of people  in an effort to determine who simply visited the website. (Our customer has also been notified of the pending warrant on the account.)<br />
That information could be used to identify any individuals who used this site to exercise and express political speech protected under the Constitution's First Amendment. That should be enough to set alarm bells off in anyone's mind.<br />
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This is, in our opinion, a strong example of investigatory overreach and a clear abuse of government authority.<br />
As we do in all such cases where the improper collection of data is concerned, we challenged the Department of Justice on its warrant and attempted to quash its demands for this information through reason, logic, and legal process.<br />
Instead of responding to our inquiries regarding the overbreadth of the warrant, the DOJ <a href="https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DH-DOJMotiontoShowCause.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">filed a motion (PDF)</a> in the Washington, D.C. Superior Court, asking for an order to <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">compel</span> DreamHost to produce the records.<br />
<h2>Our Opposition</h2>Last Friday Mr. Ghazarian, with the help of his legal team and outside counsel, filed <a href="https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DH-Opposition-Motion.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">legal arguments in opposition (PDF)</a> of the DOJ's request for access to this trove of personally identifiable information.<br />
This motion is our latest salvo in what has become a months-long battle to protect the identities of thousands of unwitting internet users. Mr. Ghazarian will attend a court hearing on the matter on August 18 in Washington, D.C.<br />
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We've been working closely with the Electronic Frontier Foundation and their counsel throughout this process. They've been nothing but supportive and helpful throughout, and we're honored to have them in our corner.  While the EFF is not representing us in this case, they understand our arguments and have been lending professional support.<br />
<h2>Why Bother?</h2>The internet was founded  and continues to survive, in the main  on its democratizing ability to facilitate a free exchange of ideas. Internet users have a reasonable expectation that they will not get swept up in criminal investigations simply by exercising their right to political speech against the government.<br />
We intend to take whatever steps are necessary to support and shield these users from what is, in our view, a very unfocused search and an unlawful request for their personal information.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Post Updated</span> 8/14/17 9:00PM PST to clarify the EFF's involvement.]]></description>
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For the past several months, DreamHost has been working with the Department of Justice to comply with legal process, including a <a href="https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DH-Search-Warrant.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Search Warrant (PDF)</a> seeking information about one of our customers' websites.<br />
At the center of the requests is <a href="http://www.disruptj20.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">disruptj20.org</a>, a website that organized participants of political protests against the current United States administration. While we have no insight into the affidavit for the search warrant (those records are sealed), the DOJ has recently asked DreamHost to provide all information available to us about this website, its owner, and, more importantly, its <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">visitors</span>.<br />
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<h2>Records Requests</h2>DreamHost, like many online service providers, is approached by law enforcement regularly to provide information about customers who may be the subject of criminal investigations. These types of requests are not uncommon; our legal department reviews and scrutinizes each request and, when necessary, rejects and challenges vague or faulty orders.<br />
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You would be shocked to see just how many of these challenges we're obligated to mount every year!<br />
Chris Ghazarian, our General Counsel, has taken issue with this particular search warrant for being a highly untargeted demand that chills free association and the right of free speech afforded by the Constitution.<br />
<h2>Demand for Information</h2>The request from the DOJ demands that DreamHost hand over 1.3 million visitor IP addresses  in addition to contact information, email content, and photos of <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">thousands</span> of people  in an effort to determine who simply visited the website. (Our customer has also been notified of the pending warrant on the account.)<br />
That information could be used to identify any individuals who used this site to exercise and express political speech protected under the Constitution's First Amendment. That should be enough to set alarm bells off in anyone's mind.<br />
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This is, in our opinion, a strong example of investigatory overreach and a clear abuse of government authority.<br />
As we do in all such cases where the improper collection of data is concerned, we challenged the Department of Justice on its warrant and attempted to quash its demands for this information through reason, logic, and legal process.<br />
Instead of responding to our inquiries regarding the overbreadth of the warrant, the DOJ <a href="https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DH-DOJMotiontoShowCause.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">filed a motion (PDF)</a> in the Washington, D.C. Superior Court, asking for an order to <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">compel</span> DreamHost to produce the records.<br />
<h2>Our Opposition</h2>Last Friday Mr. Ghazarian, with the help of his legal team and outside counsel, filed <a href="https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DH-Opposition-Motion.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">legal arguments in opposition (PDF)</a> of the DOJ's request for access to this trove of personally identifiable information.<br />
This motion is our latest salvo in what has become a months-long battle to protect the identities of thousands of unwitting internet users. Mr. Ghazarian will attend a court hearing on the matter on August 18 in Washington, D.C.<br />
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We've been working closely with the Electronic Frontier Foundation and their counsel throughout this process. They've been nothing but supportive and helpful throughout, and we're honored to have them in our corner.  While the EFF is not representing us in this case, they understand our arguments and have been lending professional support.<br />
<h2>Why Bother?</h2>The internet was founded  and continues to survive, in the main  on its democratizing ability to facilitate a free exchange of ideas. Internet users have a reasonable expectation that they will not get swept up in criminal investigations simply by exercising their right to political speech against the government.<br />
We intend to take whatever steps are necessary to support and shield these users from what is, in our view, a very unfocused search and an unlawful request for their personal information.<br />
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			<link>https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/showthread.php?tid=15580</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2017 07:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Wikimedia Scores â€˜Important Victoryâ€™ in Fight Against NSA Surveillance]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2017 08:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<h2>Wikimedia Scores Important Victory' in Fight Against NSA Surveillance</h2><h6>Posted on May 24, 2017</h6><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Verdana;" class="mycode_font"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">By Nadia Prupis / <a href="https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/05/23/wikimedia-scores-important-victory-fight-against-nsa-surveillance" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Common Dreams</a></span><br />
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A federal appeals court on Tuesday reversed a previous decision by a lower court that dismissed a challenge to the National Security Agency's (NSA) mass surveillance operations, scoring an "important victory for the rule of law."<br />
Tuesday's unanimous decision by the Fourth Circuit Appeals Court means a case against the NSA filed by the Wikimedia Foundation can proceed, after the judges ruled that the plaintiffs had provided enough evidence that the NSA was monitoring their communications as part of its Upstream surveillance program.<br />
"This is an important victory for the rule of law. The NSA has secretly spied on Americans' internet communications for years, but now this surveillance will finally face badly needed scrutiny in our public courts. We look forward to arguing this case on the merits," said Patrick Toomey, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which is representing the plaintiffs.<br />
"Our government shouldn't be searching the private communications of innocent people in bulk, examining the contents of Americans' emails and chats day in and day out. This mass surveillance threatens the foundations of a free internet," Toomey said.The three-judge panel found that Wikimedia had standing to argue that the NSA was violating its First and Fourth Amendment rights by spying on its communications.<br />
"Wikimedia has plausibly alleged that its communications travel all of the roads that a communication can take, and that the NSA seizes all of the communications along at least one of those roads," the opinion stated.<br />
The panel's ruling overturns an October 2015 decision by the district court, which said the plaintiffs had not adequately proven that their communications were being monitored.<br />
The other plaintiffs are The Nation magazine, Amnesty International USA, PEN America, Human Rights Watch (HRW), the Rutherford Institute, the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, Global Fund for Women, and the Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA). Their cases will not move forward, due to their smaller online presence, the panel ruled.<br />
Still, the decision signaled an important victory in the fight against government spying, attorneys said.<br />
"This kind of indiscriminate surveillance has grave implications for individual rights, including the freedoms of speech and association," said Jameel Jaffer, executive director of the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University, which also represented the plaintiffs. "It's gratifying that the appeals court has rejected the government's effort to shield this surveillance from constitutional review."<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>Wikimedia Scores Important Victory' in Fight Against NSA Surveillance</h2><h6>Posted on May 24, 2017</h6><span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Verdana;" class="mycode_font"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">By Nadia Prupis / <a href="https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/05/23/wikimedia-scores-important-victory-fight-against-nsa-surveillance" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Common Dreams</a></span><br />
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A federal appeals court on Tuesday reversed a previous decision by a lower court that dismissed a challenge to the National Security Agency's (NSA) mass surveillance operations, scoring an "important victory for the rule of law."<br />
Tuesday's unanimous decision by the Fourth Circuit Appeals Court means a case against the NSA filed by the Wikimedia Foundation can proceed, after the judges ruled that the plaintiffs had provided enough evidence that the NSA was monitoring their communications as part of its Upstream surveillance program.<br />
"This is an important victory for the rule of law. The NSA has secretly spied on Americans' internet communications for years, but now this surveillance will finally face badly needed scrutiny in our public courts. We look forward to arguing this case on the merits," said Patrick Toomey, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which is representing the plaintiffs.<br />
"Our government shouldn't be searching the private communications of innocent people in bulk, examining the contents of Americans' emails and chats day in and day out. This mass surveillance threatens the foundations of a free internet," Toomey said.The three-judge panel found that Wikimedia had standing to argue that the NSA was violating its First and Fourth Amendment rights by spying on its communications.<br />
"Wikimedia has plausibly alleged that its communications travel all of the roads that a communication can take, and that the NSA seizes all of the communications along at least one of those roads," the opinion stated.<br />
The panel's ruling overturns an October 2015 decision by the district court, which said the plaintiffs had not adequately proven that their communications were being monitored.<br />
The other plaintiffs are The Nation magazine, Amnesty International USA, PEN America, Human Rights Watch (HRW), the Rutherford Institute, the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, Global Fund for Women, and the Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA). Their cases will not move forward, due to their smaller online presence, the panel ruled.<br />
Still, the decision signaled an important victory in the fight against government spying, attorneys said.<br />
"This kind of indiscriminate surveillance has grave implications for individual rights, including the freedoms of speech and association," said Jameel Jaffer, executive director of the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University, which also represented the plaintiffs. "It's gratifying that the appeals court has rejected the government's effort to shield this surveillance from constitutional review."<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Lynne Stewart: A Classic Case of Judicial Abuse & the [in]justice system in the USA]]></title>
			<link>https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/showthread.php?tid=15388</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Security Video Shows Police Lied In Michael Brown Shooting]]></title>
			<link>https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/showthread.php?tid=15383</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Security video from the store where the police claimed Michael Brown aggressively stole cigars showed a different story. The video showed Brown push a small &#36;20 bag of cannabis across the counter in a barter trade for several packs of cigarillos. Locals said that convenience store was known for bartering cannabis and it was a common practice. The clerk then bagged the cigarillos for Brown. <br />
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       Since this video was in the possession of the police at the time it shows they knowingly lied about Brown robbing the store in order to incriminate him. This is evidence of criminal obstruction of justice and withholding of evidence.<br />
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        CNN had director Jason Pollock and Brown's father on to show this new evidence. They were followed by an idiot pro-police author who said "The video doesn't show anything and it wasn't related to the actual shooting".  Ya...<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Security video from the store where the police claimed Michael Brown aggressively stole cigars showed a different story. The video showed Brown push a small &#36;20 bag of cannabis across the counter in a barter trade for several packs of cigarillos. Locals said that convenience store was known for bartering cannabis and it was a common practice. The clerk then bagged the cigarillos for Brown. <br />
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       Since this video was in the possession of the police at the time it shows they knowingly lied about Brown robbing the store in order to incriminate him. This is evidence of criminal obstruction of justice and withholding of evidence.<br />
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        CNN had director Jason Pollock and Brown's father on to show this new evidence. They were followed by an idiot pro-police author who said "The video doesn't show anything and it wasn't related to the actual shooting".  Ya...<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[US Justice Department Ducks Assange Querstions; Won't Come Clean on it's Intentions]]></title>
			<link>https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/showthread.php?tid=15311</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/member.php?action=profile&uid=2">David Guyatt</a>]]></dc:creator>
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Assange Lawyer to Justice Department: Your Move<br />
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Julian Assange said he was willing to come to the United States. It's not that simple.<br />
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AJ VICENSFEB. 1, 2017 6:00 AM<br />
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On January 12, WikiLeaks tweeted that founder Julian Assange, holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, would "agree to US extradition" if President Barack Obama granted clemency to convicted Army leaker Chelsea Manning. Five days later, Obama commuted Manning's sentence, and the spotlight turned to Assange. The embattled Australian said that although he'd hoped for a full pardon for Manning, he would stand by his pledge and discuss a return to the United States with the Department of Justice.<br />
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But the situation isn't that simple, says Barry Pollack, Assange's Washington, DC-based lawyer. Assange, Pollack says, is stuck in limbo because the Justice Department won't make clear what it's intentions arewhether it will charge him, whether he's already been indicted, or whether there's room to talk about a resolution.<br />
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"I have, for quite some period of time, been trying to get the Department of Justice to engage in some sort of a dialogue about what it is they are looking for," Pollack tells Mother Jones. "Where does Julian fit into whatever investigation they're doing? Have they charged him? Will they charge him? Are they seeking to extradite him? And the Department of Justice has just repeatedly refused to engage or provide any information whatsoever."<br />
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Assange has been a thorn in the side of the US government for years, but his decision last year to publish tens of thousands of hacked Democratic Party emails and documents, allegedly stolen at the behest of the Russian government and passed to WikiLeaks, further inflamed tensions. On January 6, intelligence officials released an assessment accusing Russian intelligence of directing the hacks in order to hinder Hillary Clinton's chances of becoming president and boost those of Donald Trump.<br />
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Assange has denied that the Russian government was his source and said the January 6 report was "embarrassing" to the agencies that gathered the intelligence and a "political attack cannon against Donald Trump." Assange denies that he supports Trump: Last July, he likened the choice between Clinton and Trump to one between "cholera or gonorrhea." But he has drawn praise from Trump and conservatives, with some arguing that Trump should pardon Assange on any potential charges.<br />
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So when Assange offered to give himself up to US authorities in exchange for Manning's release and Obama commuted Manning's sentence, eyes turned to Assange to see what he'd do next. Two weeks later, that hasn't become any clearer.<br />
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"We look forward to having a conversation with the DOJ about what the correct way forward is," Assange said during a January 19 press conference. "We say, of course, that they should immediately drop their case, or they should unseal their extradition request if they have one, unseal their chargesâ€¦But what is occurring in the United States is an attempt to prevent us and our lawyers getting our teeth stuck in to this case and getting standing by keeping it secret."<br />
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Pollack, who represents Assange in his US legal matters and has nothing to do with WikiLeaks, says there is no basis for anyone to make predictions about how Trump might handle the Assange and WikiLeaks investigation. But he points to Obama's commutation of Manning's sentence and his pardon of General James Cartwright, who pleaded guilty to lying to FBI investigators in 2016 about providing information about the Stuxnet computer virus to reporters, as evidence that the crackdown on whistleblowers might be ebbing.<br />
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"My hope," he says, "would have been and is that the commutation of Manning's sentenceand, for that matter, the pardon of Cartwrightsignals that we're moving into a new phaseâ€¦that maybe there's some thought somewhere in the US government that our war on whistleblowers has gone a little bit too far."<br />
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The Justice Department has been investigating potential crimes committed by WikiLeaks and Assange since 2010, after the site that year published a video shot in 2007 from a US military helicopter as it gunned down a dozen people in a Baghdad neighborhood. (A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment on the department's investigation, and the White House didn't respond to several requests for comment.) A month later, Manning, then an Army information analyst stationed in Baghdad, was detained by the military after being turned in by a former hacker she'd confided in about stealing the material published by WikiLeaks.<br />
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In November 2010, the website began publishing information from more than 250,000 US diplomatic cables in conjunction with several major newspapers. In September 2011, the site released the full unredacted batch of State Department cables after the material became available online through other means. Manning was formally charged with crimes related to stealing the documents in February 2012, convicted in July 2013, and sentenced to 35 years in prison in August 2013.<br />
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After the commutation was announced, Obama said that justice had been served. "First of all, let's be clear," Obama said at his last press conference as president. "Chelsea Manning has served a tough prison sentence." He noted that Manning's sentence was "very disproportionate relative to what other leakers had received" and that "it made some sense to commute a part of her sentence."<br />
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Assange was accused of rape in Sweden in August 2010, a charge he denies. At the time, he implied that the accusations were "dirty tricks" by US intelligence to discredit WikiLeaks. "Reminder: US intelligence planned to destroy WikiLeaks as far back as 2008," Assange tweeted after the accusations became public. Fearing that the Swedish government would send him to the United States, Assange sought asylum in Ecuador. The country granted it in August 2012, citing the possibility that he could be the victim of "cruel and degrading" treatment in the United States.<br />
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Assange has been in the Ecuadorian embassy in London ever since, and the British government says it will not allow him to leave the embassy and plans to hand him over to Sweden as part of its obligation to respect a European arrest warrant. The United Nations Human Rights Council Working Group on Arbitrary Detention has called the situation "a state of arbitrary deprivation of liberty" and noted that under current British lawwhich was changed to raise the bar for extraditions after Sweden issued its warrantAssange's extradition to Sweden would not be approved by the British government.<br />
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Sweden has said it hasn't received an extradition request from the US government, and it's unclear whether the United States is trying to extradite him. "We don't know," Pollack says. Assuming the United States does want to get its hands on Assange, it's unclear what charges he would face.<br />
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Assange asserts that WikiLeaks is merely publishing information it obtains, much as news organizations do every day. But the government might make the case that Assange went beyond merely accepting material from Manning, perhaps alleging some sort of collusion or coercion to steal the material. Pollack says allegations along those lines wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility given the Obama administration's naming of journalists as "unindicted co-conspirators" in cases involving leaks of classified information.<br />
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"I think that the problem they have is they really can't distinguish [Assange] from the New York Times or the Washington Post or Mother Jones," Pollack says, and "they may recognize that legally they would have real problem doing so."<br />
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It's unclear how far along the government's investigation is. Pollack says he has no idea and noted in an August 2016 letter to then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch that the limited information he gets about the investigation comes through filings in other cases. Assange said during the January 19 press conference, based on responses to Freedom of Information Act lawsuits against the government by other parties, that the FBI investigation alone has produced at least 45,135 pages of documents. Hacked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor, published by WikiLeaks in 2012, suggested the US government had a sealed indictment in early 2011, but in 2013, unnamed officials told the Washington Post that there was no sealed indictment.<br />
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"It really is unique in my experience," says Pollack, who has worked in federal criminal defense for 25 years. "I've never had a matter where the Department of Justice would not discuss my client's situation with me, much less one where simultaneously they're providing the public with at least some information."<br />
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But Bradley Moss, a national security lawyer in Washington, says it doesn't seem unusual to him.<br />
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"In a situation where there is a sealed indictment, the DOJ is not obligated to reveal details of pending charges to the subject or his lawyer until the subject is actually arrested," Moss says. "To hold otherwise would nullify the purpose of the seal."<br />
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Both Pollack and Assange seem to want the case to move forward. Pollack says the Justice Department could resolve the situation by declaring that there's no indictment or by telling him what exactly investigators are seeking from Assange.<br />
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"Maybe it's that they're perfectly happy to leave him in limbo in the embassy," Pollack says. "But that, to me, is not justiceâ€¦What they should do is they should engage and say either we're not pursuing him or we are. And if they're not, great. And if they are, let's discuss what that means."</blockquote>
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Assange Lawyer to Justice Department: Your Move<br />
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Julian Assange said he was willing to come to the United States. It's not that simple.<br />
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AJ VICENSFEB. 1, 2017 6:00 AM<br />
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On January 12, WikiLeaks tweeted that founder Julian Assange, holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, would "agree to US extradition" if President Barack Obama granted clemency to convicted Army leaker Chelsea Manning. Five days later, Obama commuted Manning's sentence, and the spotlight turned to Assange. The embattled Australian said that although he'd hoped for a full pardon for Manning, he would stand by his pledge and discuss a return to the United States with the Department of Justice.<br />
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But the situation isn't that simple, says Barry Pollack, Assange's Washington, DC-based lawyer. Assange, Pollack says, is stuck in limbo because the Justice Department won't make clear what it's intentions arewhether it will charge him, whether he's already been indicted, or whether there's room to talk about a resolution.<br />
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"I have, for quite some period of time, been trying to get the Department of Justice to engage in some sort of a dialogue about what it is they are looking for," Pollack tells Mother Jones. "Where does Julian fit into whatever investigation they're doing? Have they charged him? Will they charge him? Are they seeking to extradite him? And the Department of Justice has just repeatedly refused to engage or provide any information whatsoever."<br />
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Assange has been a thorn in the side of the US government for years, but his decision last year to publish tens of thousands of hacked Democratic Party emails and documents, allegedly stolen at the behest of the Russian government and passed to WikiLeaks, further inflamed tensions. On January 6, intelligence officials released an assessment accusing Russian intelligence of directing the hacks in order to hinder Hillary Clinton's chances of becoming president and boost those of Donald Trump.<br />
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Assange has denied that the Russian government was his source and said the January 6 report was "embarrassing" to the agencies that gathered the intelligence and a "political attack cannon against Donald Trump." Assange denies that he supports Trump: Last July, he likened the choice between Clinton and Trump to one between "cholera or gonorrhea." But he has drawn praise from Trump and conservatives, with some arguing that Trump should pardon Assange on any potential charges.<br />
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So when Assange offered to give himself up to US authorities in exchange for Manning's release and Obama commuted Manning's sentence, eyes turned to Assange to see what he'd do next. Two weeks later, that hasn't become any clearer.<br />
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"We look forward to having a conversation with the DOJ about what the correct way forward is," Assange said during a January 19 press conference. "We say, of course, that they should immediately drop their case, or they should unseal their extradition request if they have one, unseal their chargesâ€¦But what is occurring in the United States is an attempt to prevent us and our lawyers getting our teeth stuck in to this case and getting standing by keeping it secret."<br />
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Pollack, who represents Assange in his US legal matters and has nothing to do with WikiLeaks, says there is no basis for anyone to make predictions about how Trump might handle the Assange and WikiLeaks investigation. But he points to Obama's commutation of Manning's sentence and his pardon of General James Cartwright, who pleaded guilty to lying to FBI investigators in 2016 about providing information about the Stuxnet computer virus to reporters, as evidence that the crackdown on whistleblowers might be ebbing.<br />
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"My hope," he says, "would have been and is that the commutation of Manning's sentenceand, for that matter, the pardon of Cartwrightsignals that we're moving into a new phaseâ€¦that maybe there's some thought somewhere in the US government that our war on whistleblowers has gone a little bit too far."<br />
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The Justice Department has been investigating potential crimes committed by WikiLeaks and Assange since 2010, after the site that year published a video shot in 2007 from a US military helicopter as it gunned down a dozen people in a Baghdad neighborhood. (A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment on the department's investigation, and the White House didn't respond to several requests for comment.) A month later, Manning, then an Army information analyst stationed in Baghdad, was detained by the military after being turned in by a former hacker she'd confided in about stealing the material published by WikiLeaks.<br />
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In November 2010, the website began publishing information from more than 250,000 US diplomatic cables in conjunction with several major newspapers. In September 2011, the site released the full unredacted batch of State Department cables after the material became available online through other means. Manning was formally charged with crimes related to stealing the documents in February 2012, convicted in July 2013, and sentenced to 35 years in prison in August 2013.<br />
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After the commutation was announced, Obama said that justice had been served. "First of all, let's be clear," Obama said at his last press conference as president. "Chelsea Manning has served a tough prison sentence." He noted that Manning's sentence was "very disproportionate relative to what other leakers had received" and that "it made some sense to commute a part of her sentence."<br />
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Assange was accused of rape in Sweden in August 2010, a charge he denies. At the time, he implied that the accusations were "dirty tricks" by US intelligence to discredit WikiLeaks. "Reminder: US intelligence planned to destroy WikiLeaks as far back as 2008," Assange tweeted after the accusations became public. Fearing that the Swedish government would send him to the United States, Assange sought asylum in Ecuador. The country granted it in August 2012, citing the possibility that he could be the victim of "cruel and degrading" treatment in the United States.<br />
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Assange has been in the Ecuadorian embassy in London ever since, and the British government says it will not allow him to leave the embassy and plans to hand him over to Sweden as part of its obligation to respect a European arrest warrant. The United Nations Human Rights Council Working Group on Arbitrary Detention has called the situation "a state of arbitrary deprivation of liberty" and noted that under current British lawwhich was changed to raise the bar for extraditions after Sweden issued its warrantAssange's extradition to Sweden would not be approved by the British government.<br />
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Sweden has said it hasn't received an extradition request from the US government, and it's unclear whether the United States is trying to extradite him. "We don't know," Pollack says. Assuming the United States does want to get its hands on Assange, it's unclear what charges he would face.<br />
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Assange asserts that WikiLeaks is merely publishing information it obtains, much as news organizations do every day. But the government might make the case that Assange went beyond merely accepting material from Manning, perhaps alleging some sort of collusion or coercion to steal the material. Pollack says allegations along those lines wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility given the Obama administration's naming of journalists as "unindicted co-conspirators" in cases involving leaks of classified information.<br />
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"I think that the problem they have is they really can't distinguish [Assange] from the New York Times or the Washington Post or Mother Jones," Pollack says, and "they may recognize that legally they would have real problem doing so."<br />
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It's unclear how far along the government's investigation is. Pollack says he has no idea and noted in an August 2016 letter to then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch that the limited information he gets about the investigation comes through filings in other cases. Assange said during the January 19 press conference, based on responses to Freedom of Information Act lawsuits against the government by other parties, that the FBI investigation alone has produced at least 45,135 pages of documents. Hacked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor, published by WikiLeaks in 2012, suggested the US government had a sealed indictment in early 2011, but in 2013, unnamed officials told the Washington Post that there was no sealed indictment.<br />
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"It really is unique in my experience," says Pollack, who has worked in federal criminal defense for 25 years. "I've never had a matter where the Department of Justice would not discuss my client's situation with me, much less one where simultaneously they're providing the public with at least some information."<br />
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But Bradley Moss, a national security lawyer in Washington, says it doesn't seem unusual to him.<br />
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"In a situation where there is a sealed indictment, the DOJ is not obligated to reveal details of pending charges to the subject or his lawyer until the subject is actually arrested," Moss says. "To hold otherwise would nullify the purpose of the seal."<br />
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Both Pollack and Assange seem to want the case to move forward. Pollack says the Justice Department could resolve the situation by declaring that there's no indictment or by telling him what exactly investigators are seeking from Assange.<br />
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"Maybe it's that they're perfectly happy to leave him in limbo in the embassy," Pollack says. "But that, to me, is not justiceâ€¦What they should do is they should engage and say either we're not pursuing him or we are. And if they're not, great. And if they are, let's discuss what that means."</blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[OJ Simpson - CNN To Air Bill Dear Case]]></title>
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			<title><![CDATA[UK's Investigatory Powers Act allows the State to tell lies in court!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Arial;" class="mycode_font"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">The UK's Investigatory Powers Act allows the State to tell lies in court</span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Enshrining parallel construction in English law</span><br />
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<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Arial;" class="mycode_font"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Analysis</span> Blighty's freshly passed <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/30/investigatory_powers_act_backdoors/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Investigatory Powers Act</a>, better known as the Snoopers' Charter, is a dog's dinner of a law. It gives virtually unrestricted powers not only to State spy organisations but also to the police and a host of other government agencies.<br />
The operation of the oversight and accountability mechanisms in the IPA are all kept firmly out of sight  and, so its authors hope, out of mind  of the public. It is up to the State to volunteer the truth to its victims if the State thinks it has abused its secret powers. "Marking your own homework" is a phrase which does not fully capture this.<br />
However, despite the establishment of a parallel system of secret justice, the IPA's tentacles also enshrine parallel construction into law. That is, the practice where prosecutors lie about the origins of evidence to judges and juries  thereby depriving the defendant of a fair trial because he cannot review or question the truth of the evidence against him.<br />
Section 56 <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/section/56/enacted" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">of the act as passed</a> sets out a number of matters that are now prohibited from being brought up in court. The exact wording of section 56(1) is as follows:<div style="margin-left: 1em;">Exclusion of matters from legal proceedings etc.(1) No evidence may be adduced, question asked, assertion or disclosure made or other thing done in, for the purposes of or in connection with any legal proceedings or Inquiries Act proceedings which (in any manner)<br />
(a) discloses, in circumstances from which its origin in interception-related conduct may be inferred<br />
(i) any content of an intercepted communication, or<br />
(ii) any secondary data obtained from a communication, or<br />
(b) tends to suggest that any interception-related conduct has or may have occurred or may be going to occur.<br />
This is subject to Schedule 3 (exceptions).<br />
</div>
Schedule 3's <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/schedule/3/enacted" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">list of exemptions</a> is broadly confined to national security court hearings, tribunals and other judicial occasions when the great unwashed, usually including the defendant and his legal representatives, are excluded from part or all of the hearing. Out of sight, out of mind.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Parallel construction</span><br />
<br />
Parallel construction is a murky doctrine with not very much about it in the public domain because State agents go to great lengths to ensure that it is not brought to public attention.<br />
A 2013 story from Reuters describes how the US National Security Agency, which is constitutionally forbidden from spying on American citizens on American turf (but do so anyway, because they can) <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">effectively launder their illegally collected communications evidence</a> so the Drug Enforcement Administration can use it to catch domestic drug dealers.<br />
Describing how this works in practice, the story said: "A former federal agent in the northeastern United States who received such tips from SOD [Special Operations Division, a unit of the DEA] described the process. 'You'd be told only, "Be at a certain truck stop at a certain time and look for a certain vehicle." And so we'd alert the state police to find an excuse to stop that vehicle, and then have a drug dog search it,' the agent said."<br />
The problem here is not that drug dealers are being caught, but that they are being caught in a way that subverts the legal system and unfairly skews what is supposed to be a level and honest playing field in court.<br />
<br />
Section 56(1)(b) creates a legally guaranteed ability  nay, duty  to lie about even the potential for State hacking to take place, and to tell juries a wholly fictitious story about the true origins of hacked material used against defendants in order to secure criminal convictions. This is incredibly dangerous. Even if you know that the story being told in court is false, you and your legal representatives are now banned from being able to question those falsehoods and cast doubt upon the prosecution story.<br />
Potentially, you could be legally bound to go along with lies told in court about your communications  lies told by people whose sole task is to weave a story that will get you sent to prison or fined thousands of pounds.<br />
Moreover, as section 56(4) makes clear, this applies retroactively, ensuring that it is very difficult for criminal offences committed by GCHQ employees and contractors over the years, using powers that were only made legal a fortnight ago, to be brought to light in a meaningful way. It might even be against the law for a solicitor or barrister to mention in court <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/03/revealed_beyond_top_secret_british_intelligence_middleeast_internet_spy_base/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">this Reg story</a> by veteran investigative journalist Duncan Campbell about GCHQ's snooping station in Oman (covered by the section 56(1)(b) wording "interception-related conduct has occurred")  or large volumes of material published on Wikileaks.<br />
The existence of section 56(4) makes a mockery of the "general privacy protections" in Part 1 of the IPA, which includes various criminal offences. Part 1 was introduced as a sop to privacy advocates horrified at the full extent of the act's legalisation of intrusive, disruptive and dangerous hacking powers for the State, including powers to force the co-operation of telcos and similar organisations. There is no point in having punishments for lawbreakers if it is illegal to talk about their law-breaking behaviour.<br />
Like the rest of the Snoopers' Charter, section 56 has become law. Apart from Reg readers and a handful of Twitter slacktivists, nobody cares. The general public neither knows nor cares what abuses and perversions of the law take place in its name. Theresa May and the British government have utterly defeated advocates of privacy and security, completely ignoring those who correctly identify the zero-sum game between freedom and security in favour of those who feel the need to destroy liberty in order to "save" it.<br />
The UK is now a measurably less free country in terms of technological security, permitted speech and ability to resist abuses of power and position by agents of the State, be those shadowy spys, police inspectors and above (ie, shift leaders in your local cop shop) and even food hygiene inspectors  <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/schedule/4/enacted" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">no, really</a>.<br />
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<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Enshrining parallel construction in English law</span><br />
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</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Arial;" class="mycode_font"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Analysis</span> Blighty's freshly passed <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/30/investigatory_powers_act_backdoors/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Investigatory Powers Act</a>, better known as the Snoopers' Charter, is a dog's dinner of a law. It gives virtually unrestricted powers not only to State spy organisations but also to the police and a host of other government agencies.<br />
The operation of the oversight and accountability mechanisms in the IPA are all kept firmly out of sight  and, so its authors hope, out of mind  of the public. It is up to the State to volunteer the truth to its victims if the State thinks it has abused its secret powers. "Marking your own homework" is a phrase which does not fully capture this.<br />
However, despite the establishment of a parallel system of secret justice, the IPA's tentacles also enshrine parallel construction into law. That is, the practice where prosecutors lie about the origins of evidence to judges and juries  thereby depriving the defendant of a fair trial because he cannot review or question the truth of the evidence against him.<br />
Section 56 <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/section/56/enacted" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">of the act as passed</a> sets out a number of matters that are now prohibited from being brought up in court. The exact wording of section 56(1) is as follows:<div style="margin-left: 1em;">Exclusion of matters from legal proceedings etc.(1) No evidence may be adduced, question asked, assertion or disclosure made or other thing done in, for the purposes of or in connection with any legal proceedings or Inquiries Act proceedings which (in any manner)<br />
(a) discloses, in circumstances from which its origin in interception-related conduct may be inferred<br />
(i) any content of an intercepted communication, or<br />
(ii) any secondary data obtained from a communication, or<br />
(b) tends to suggest that any interception-related conduct has or may have occurred or may be going to occur.<br />
This is subject to Schedule 3 (exceptions).<br />
</div>
Schedule 3's <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/schedule/3/enacted" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">list of exemptions</a> is broadly confined to national security court hearings, tribunals and other judicial occasions when the great unwashed, usually including the defendant and his legal representatives, are excluded from part or all of the hearing. Out of sight, out of mind.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Parallel construction</span><br />
<br />
Parallel construction is a murky doctrine with not very much about it in the public domain because State agents go to great lengths to ensure that it is not brought to public attention.<br />
A 2013 story from Reuters describes how the US National Security Agency, which is constitutionally forbidden from spying on American citizens on American turf (but do so anyway, because they can) <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">effectively launder their illegally collected communications evidence</a> so the Drug Enforcement Administration can use it to catch domestic drug dealers.<br />
Describing how this works in practice, the story said: "A former federal agent in the northeastern United States who received such tips from SOD [Special Operations Division, a unit of the DEA] described the process. 'You'd be told only, "Be at a certain truck stop at a certain time and look for a certain vehicle." And so we'd alert the state police to find an excuse to stop that vehicle, and then have a drug dog search it,' the agent said."<br />
The problem here is not that drug dealers are being caught, but that they are being caught in a way that subverts the legal system and unfairly skews what is supposed to be a level and honest playing field in court.<br />
<br />
Section 56(1)(b) creates a legally guaranteed ability  nay, duty  to lie about even the potential for State hacking to take place, and to tell juries a wholly fictitious story about the true origins of hacked material used against defendants in order to secure criminal convictions. This is incredibly dangerous. Even if you know that the story being told in court is false, you and your legal representatives are now banned from being able to question those falsehoods and cast doubt upon the prosecution story.<br />
Potentially, you could be legally bound to go along with lies told in court about your communications  lies told by people whose sole task is to weave a story that will get you sent to prison or fined thousands of pounds.<br />
Moreover, as section 56(4) makes clear, this applies retroactively, ensuring that it is very difficult for criminal offences committed by GCHQ employees and contractors over the years, using powers that were only made legal a fortnight ago, to be brought to light in a meaningful way. It might even be against the law for a solicitor or barrister to mention in court <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/03/revealed_beyond_top_secret_british_intelligence_middleeast_internet_spy_base/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">this Reg story</a> by veteran investigative journalist Duncan Campbell about GCHQ's snooping station in Oman (covered by the section 56(1)(b) wording "interception-related conduct has occurred")  or large volumes of material published on Wikileaks.<br />
The existence of section 56(4) makes a mockery of the "general privacy protections" in Part 1 of the IPA, which includes various criminal offences. Part 1 was introduced as a sop to privacy advocates horrified at the full extent of the act's legalisation of intrusive, disruptive and dangerous hacking powers for the State, including powers to force the co-operation of telcos and similar organisations. There is no point in having punishments for lawbreakers if it is illegal to talk about their law-breaking behaviour.<br />
Like the rest of the Snoopers' Charter, section 56 has become law. Apart from Reg readers and a handful of Twitter slacktivists, nobody cares. The general public neither knows nor cares what abuses and perversions of the law take place in its name. Theresa May and the British government have utterly defeated advocates of privacy and security, completely ignoring those who correctly identify the zero-sum game between freedom and security in favour of those who feel the need to destroy liberty in order to "save" it.<br />
The UK is now a measurably less free country in terms of technological security, permitted speech and ability to resist abuses of power and position by agents of the State, be those shadowy spys, police inspectors and above (ie, shift leaders in your local cop shop) and even food hygiene inspectors  <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/schedule/4/enacted" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">no, really</a>.<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[US House serves the FBI with subpoena for Clinton records]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Lawmaker (Jason Chaffetz) issues subpoena to FBI for Clinton probe records<br />
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Published September 13, 2016  Fox News<br />
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<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/13/lawmaker-issues-subpoena-to-fbi-for-clinton-probe-records.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/...cords.html</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite> A powerful Republican lawmaker abruptly stopped a hearing Monday on Capitol Hill to serve a subpoena demanding the FBI's full investigative file on the Hillary Clinton email probe to a top official, telling the man "you are hereby served." The dramatic moment came as House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, expressed frustration that the FBI would not guarantee to provide the committee with the full, unedited, unredacted investigative summaries of the federal inquiry into Clinton's homebrewed server and the Democratic presidential nominee's potential mishandling of classified information.<br />
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"That's the way a banana republic acts, not the way the United States of America acts," Chaffetz told FBI acting legislative affairs chief Jason Herring. "I don't expect to have to issue a subpoena to see unclassified information."  The FBI could fight the subpoena, though analysts say a resolution could come quickly.  "There are judges sitting in an emergent capacity for applications like this," Judge Andrew Napolitano said on "Fox &amp; Friends" on Tuesday. "I wouldn't be surprised if it's resolved by the end of this week."<br />
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Chaffetz and other Republicans on the panel say the FBI has withheld summaries of interviews with witnesses and unnecessarily blacked out material from documents sent last month.  "We decide what's relevant -- not the Department of Justice, not the FBI," Chaffetz said. "We are entitled to the full file."  Democrats on the panel dismissed Chaffetz's theatrics at the emergency hearing and insisted the sole purpose of the hearing was to undermine Clinton's presidential bid.  "As far as I can tell, the only emergency' is that the election is less than two months away," Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., said.<br />
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Witnesses at the hearing on several occasions said they could not answer the questions from lawmakers in an open forum and the committee later voted to hold the remainder of the hearing in closed session.  FBI Director James Comey last week defended the decision to forgo criminal charges against Clinton after a lengthy probe into whether then-Secretary of State Clinton mishandled classified information that flowed through the private email system located in her New York home. Comey told bureau employees in an internal memo that it wasn't a close call.<br />
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Republicans have assailed Comey's ruling and demanded that the Justice Department open a new investigation into whether Clinton lied during testimony last year before the House panel investigating the deadly 2012 attacks in Benghazi.  The FBI provided portions of the Clinton probe file to Congress last month and warned lawmakers that the documents "contain classified and other sensitive material" and are not to be made public. But Republicans have said the documents "did not constitute a complete investigative file," as many of the records had been substantially blacked out or were missing altogether.<br />
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"So here's what we have heard from people who have seen this stuff: that the FBI is attempting to create a false impression of what they want us to think they found by selectively releasing all information," Napolitano said on "Fox &amp; Friends." "If all of it had been released, people could form their own opinions about the wisdom and lawfulness of the FBI's decision not to prosecute Mrs. Clinton."<br />
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The Associated Press contributed to this report.</blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Lawmaker (Jason Chaffetz) issues subpoena to FBI for Clinton probe records<br />
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Published September 13, 2016  Fox News<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite> A powerful Republican lawmaker abruptly stopped a hearing Monday on Capitol Hill to serve a subpoena demanding the FBI's full investigative file on the Hillary Clinton email probe to a top official, telling the man "you are hereby served." The dramatic moment came as House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, expressed frustration that the FBI would not guarantee to provide the committee with the full, unedited, unredacted investigative summaries of the federal inquiry into Clinton's homebrewed server and the Democratic presidential nominee's potential mishandling of classified information.<br />
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"That's the way a banana republic acts, not the way the United States of America acts," Chaffetz told FBI acting legislative affairs chief Jason Herring. "I don't expect to have to issue a subpoena to see unclassified information."  The FBI could fight the subpoena, though analysts say a resolution could come quickly.  "There are judges sitting in an emergent capacity for applications like this," Judge Andrew Napolitano said on "Fox &amp; Friends" on Tuesday. "I wouldn't be surprised if it's resolved by the end of this week."<br />
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Chaffetz and other Republicans on the panel say the FBI has withheld summaries of interviews with witnesses and unnecessarily blacked out material from documents sent last month.  "We decide what's relevant -- not the Department of Justice, not the FBI," Chaffetz said. "We are entitled to the full file."  Democrats on the panel dismissed Chaffetz's theatrics at the emergency hearing and insisted the sole purpose of the hearing was to undermine Clinton's presidential bid.  "As far as I can tell, the only emergency' is that the election is less than two months away," Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., said.<br />
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Witnesses at the hearing on several occasions said they could not answer the questions from lawmakers in an open forum and the committee later voted to hold the remainder of the hearing in closed session.  FBI Director James Comey last week defended the decision to forgo criminal charges against Clinton after a lengthy probe into whether then-Secretary of State Clinton mishandled classified information that flowed through the private email system located in her New York home. Comey told bureau employees in an internal memo that it wasn't a close call.<br />
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Republicans have assailed Comey's ruling and demanded that the Justice Department open a new investigation into whether Clinton lied during testimony last year before the House panel investigating the deadly 2012 attacks in Benghazi.  The FBI provided portions of the Clinton probe file to Congress last month and warned lawmakers that the documents "contain classified and other sensitive material" and are not to be made public. But Republicans have said the documents "did not constitute a complete investigative file," as many of the records had been substantially blacked out or were missing altogether.<br />
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"So here's what we have heard from people who have seen this stuff: that the FBI is attempting to create a false impression of what they want us to think they found by selectively releasing all information," Napolitano said on "Fox &amp; Friends." "If all of it had been released, people could form their own opinions about the wisdom and lawfulness of the FBI's decision not to prosecute Mrs. Clinton."<br />
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The Associated Press contributed to this report.</blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[Presidential 'Debates' Managed by Private Corporation run by both Repubs & Dems - Others Excluded!]]></title>
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			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/member.php?action=profile&uid=16">Peter Lemkin</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[Preparations have begun for the first presidential debate. It'll be held September 26 at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York. While polls show Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are among the least popular major-party candidates to ever run for the White House, it appears no third-party candidates will be invited to take part in the debates. Debates are organized by the Commission on Presidential Debates, which is controlled by the Democratic and Republican parties. Under the commission's rules, candidates will only be invited if they're polling at 15 percent in five national surveys. Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson and the Greens' Dr. Jill Stein have both witnessed recent surges in support, but neither have crossed the 15 percent threshold. Johnson has polled as high as 12 percent nationwide, while Stein has peaked at 6 percent in recent national polls. But in some demographics, they're both beating Donald Trump. McClatchy recently polled voters under the age of 30 and found 41 percent back Hillary Clinton, 23 percent support Johnson, 16 percent back Jill Stein, while only 9 percent back Donald Trump. Among African Americans, polls also show Trump behind all three other candidates, polling at either zero, 1 or 2 percent. More than 12,000 people have signed a <a href="https://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=12433" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">petition</a> organized by RootsAction calling for a four-way presidential debate.<br />
In a moment, we'll be joined by the Green Party's Jill Stein and her running mate, Ajamu Baraka, but first I want to turn to <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/16/secret_debate_contract_reveals_obama_and" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">George Farah</a>, the founder and executive director of Open Debates. He spoke on Democracy Now! a few years ago about how the Democrats and Republicans took control of the debate process.<br />
<div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">GEORGE FARAH:</span> The League of Women Voters ran the presidential debate process from 1976 until 1984, and they were a very courageous and genuinely independent, nonpartisan sponsor. And whenever the candidates attempted to manipulate the presidential debates behind closed doors, either to exclude a viable independent candidate or to sanitize the formats, the League had the courage to challenge the Republican and Democratic nominees and, if necessary, go public.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;">In 1980, independent candidate John B. Anderson was polling about 12 percent in the polls. The League insisted that Anderson be allowed to participate, because the vast majority of the American people wanted to see him, but Jimmy Carter, President Jimmy Carter, refused to debate him. The League went forward anyway and held a presidential debate with an empty chair, showing that Jimmy Carter wasn't going to show up.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;">Four years later, when the Republican and Democratic nominees tried to get rid of difficult questions by vetoing 80 of the moderators that they had proposed to host the debates, the League said, "This is unacceptable." They held a press conference and attacked the campaigns for trying to get rid of difficult questions.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;">And lastly, in 1988, was the first attempt by the Republican and Democratic campaigns to negotiate a detailed contract. It was tame by comparison, a mere 12 pages. It talked about who could be in the audience and how the format would be structured, but the League found that kind of lack of transparency and that kind of candidate control to be fundamentally outrageous and antithetical to our democratic process. They released the contract and stated they refuse to be an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American people and refuse to implement it.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;">And today, what do we have? We have a private corporation that was created by the Republican and Democratic parties called the Commission on Presidential Debates. It seized control of the presidential debates precisely because the League was independent, precisely because this women's organization had the guts to stand up to the candidates that the major-party candidates had nominated.<br />
</div><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> That was George Farah, founder and executive director of Open Debates, speaking on Democracy Now! in 2012. He's the author of No Debate: How the Republican and Democratic Parties Secretly Control the Presidential Debates.<br />
Well, joining us now is Green Party presidential nominee Dr. Jill Stein, along with her running mate, Ajamu Baraka, a longtime human rights activist. Baraka is the founding executive director of the U.S. Human Rights Network and coordinator of the U.S.-based Black Left Unity Network's Committee on International Affairs.<br />
We welcome you both to Democracy Now! So, September 26, that's the first presidential debate. What are your plans, Dr. Jill Stein?<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> Our plans are to be in that debate, because it's not just about whether our party will be included, it's whether the American people will have a voice, whether we will have a real discussion of the crisis of jobs, of the climate, of race, of war. Theseand the crisis of a generation, an entire generation that's basically been hung out to dry, that cannot get out of predatory student loan debt, that doesn't have the jobs they need, and doesn't have a climate future to look forward to. So, these are really the critical issues that people want to discuss.<br />
We saw an incredible surge of a response last night, when we had our first prime-time TV. And I want to note that while we've come up to 6 and even 7 percent in the polls, this has happened without any media coverage, really, whatsoever onyou know, in the mainstream media. So, it's absolutely remarkable that we've not only doubled and tripled, even more than that, because we were invisible as of about two months ago in the polls, suddenly we're up there. So there's an enormous interest in what we're talking about.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> So, let's go back to <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/17/green_partys_jill_stein_cheri_honkala" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">2012</a>. The debate then was at Hofstra, as it will be on September 26. You and your running mate then, Cheri Honkala, were arrested as you attempted to enter the site of the presidential debate at Hofstra. Democracy Now! was there at the time of your arrest.<br />
<div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> Well, we're here to stand our ground. We're here to stand ground for the American people, who have been systematically locked out of these debates for decades by the Commission on Presidential Debates. We think that this commission is entirely illegitimate; that ifif democracy truly prevailed, there would be no such commission, that the debates would still be run by the League of Women Voters, that the debates would be open with the criteria that the League of Women Voters had always used, which was that if you have done the work to get on the ballot, if you are on the ballot and could actually win the Electoral College by being on the ballot in enough states, that you deserve to be in the election and you deserve to be heard; and that the American people actually deserve to hear choices which are not bought and paid for by multinational corporations and Wall Street.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 1:</span> Ladies and gentlemen, you are obstructing the vehicle of pedestrians and traffic. If you refuse to move, you are subject to arrest.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;">Remove them. Bring them back to arrest them, please.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 2:</span> Come on, ma'am.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 3:</span> Would you step up, please? Stand up, please?<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 2:</span> We'll help you. Come on. Thank you, ma'am.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 3:</span> Thank you, ladies.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 2:</span> Watch the flag.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 1:</span> Thank you, ladies.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 2:</span> Thank you.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 3:</span> Come with us.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 2:</span> Just come with us.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 3:</span> Thank you. You guys have to stay here. All right, everybody, we're going to ask you to please move back.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> Well, I'd say this is what democracy looks like in the 21st century. I'm afraid it's going to take somesome politics and courage here to get our democracy back. So, more to come.<br />
</div><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> "More to come," you said. So, you're taken away, Dr. Jill Stein, from the Hofstra campus. Where did you and Cheri Honkalawhere were you taken?<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> We were taken to a dark site, where nobody knew where we were, an unmarked facility that was basically being run by, I think, Homeland Security and the Secret Service and local police. We were surrounded by, according to Cheri, who counted them, some 16 police and colleagues, and handcuffed tightly to these metal chairs for about seven hours.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> Seven hours?<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> Seven hours, until the debates were long over and everyone had gone home. It was, I think, an incredible testimony to how fearful the political establishment was, and is, that people should learn that they actually have another choice in that raceand all the more so in this race, because we know that the current candidates of the Democratic and Republican parties are the most unpopular, the most disliked and untrusted presidential candidates in history. So, people are clamoring for another choice. And weyou know, we're building a campaign to get into the debates, and we'll keep people posted as to what our actions will be, coming up. But we will not leave this just to the establishment to shut down political opposition, which is what this commission is doing.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> Do you plan to head to Hofstra on September 26th?<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> Absolutely. Whether we are in the debate or whether we are locked out of the debate, you can be sure that we're going to be there. And we're not going to be there alone. We're going to be there with the American people, who are demanding that we open up the debate and make it a real service to our democracy.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> You have sued?<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> We have two cases, one of which has been dismissed. The other one is still technically in effect. We are not holding our breath that this is going to be favorably decided in a court of law, but there's every reason for this to be decided in the court of public opinion, where public opinion is very clear that people have had it, not only with the rigged economy, but the rigged political system and with the dialogue, which is rigged by the Democratic and Republican parties. This commission is a private corporation run by the two political parties. The League of Women Voters called it a fraud being perpetrated on the American public. We're not going to settle for that.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> Earlier this year, I spoke to Libertarian presidential candidate <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/27/why_did_the_former_republican_gov" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Gary Johnson</a> in his home state of New Mexico. He talked about the unfair nature of the presidential debate system, as well.<br />
<div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">GARY JOHNSON:</span> Right now, running for president of the United States as a Libertarian, there is no way that a third party wins. There's no way that I have a chance of winning, unless I'm in the presidential debates. There is the possibility of being at 15 percent in the polls, though, if I'm in the polls, that I could be in the presidential debates.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> You're part of a lawsuit going after the Presidential Debate Commission?<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">GARY JOHNSON:</span> Yes, on the basis thaton the basis of the Sherman Act, that politics is a business, that Democrats and Republicans collude with one another to exclude everybody else. We think that the discovery phase of this lawsuit is going to provide national insight into just how rigged the system is. I come back to the fact that 50 percent of Americans right now declare themselves as independent. Where is that representation?<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Preparations have begun for the first presidential debate. It'll be held September 26 at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York. While polls show Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are among the least popular major-party candidates to ever run for the White House, it appears no third-party candidates will be invited to take part in the debates. Debates are organized by the Commission on Presidential Debates, which is controlled by the Democratic and Republican parties. Under the commission's rules, candidates will only be invited if they're polling at 15 percent in five national surveys. Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson and the Greens' Dr. Jill Stein have both witnessed recent surges in support, but neither have crossed the 15 percent threshold. Johnson has polled as high as 12 percent nationwide, while Stein has peaked at 6 percent in recent national polls. But in some demographics, they're both beating Donald Trump. McClatchy recently polled voters under the age of 30 and found 41 percent back Hillary Clinton, 23 percent support Johnson, 16 percent back Jill Stein, while only 9 percent back Donald Trump. Among African Americans, polls also show Trump behind all three other candidates, polling at either zero, 1 or 2 percent. More than 12,000 people have signed a <a href="https://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=12433" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">petition</a> organized by RootsAction calling for a four-way presidential debate.<br />
In a moment, we'll be joined by the Green Party's Jill Stein and her running mate, Ajamu Baraka, but first I want to turn to <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/16/secret_debate_contract_reveals_obama_and" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">George Farah</a>, the founder and executive director of Open Debates. He spoke on Democracy Now! a few years ago about how the Democrats and Republicans took control of the debate process.<br />
<div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">GEORGE FARAH:</span> The League of Women Voters ran the presidential debate process from 1976 until 1984, and they were a very courageous and genuinely independent, nonpartisan sponsor. And whenever the candidates attempted to manipulate the presidential debates behind closed doors, either to exclude a viable independent candidate or to sanitize the formats, the League had the courage to challenge the Republican and Democratic nominees and, if necessary, go public.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;">In 1980, independent candidate John B. Anderson was polling about 12 percent in the polls. The League insisted that Anderson be allowed to participate, because the vast majority of the American people wanted to see him, but Jimmy Carter, President Jimmy Carter, refused to debate him. The League went forward anyway and held a presidential debate with an empty chair, showing that Jimmy Carter wasn't going to show up.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;">Four years later, when the Republican and Democratic nominees tried to get rid of difficult questions by vetoing 80 of the moderators that they had proposed to host the debates, the League said, "This is unacceptable." They held a press conference and attacked the campaigns for trying to get rid of difficult questions.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;">And lastly, in 1988, was the first attempt by the Republican and Democratic campaigns to negotiate a detailed contract. It was tame by comparison, a mere 12 pages. It talked about who could be in the audience and how the format would be structured, but the League found that kind of lack of transparency and that kind of candidate control to be fundamentally outrageous and antithetical to our democratic process. They released the contract and stated they refuse to be an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American people and refuse to implement it.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;">And today, what do we have? We have a private corporation that was created by the Republican and Democratic parties called the Commission on Presidential Debates. It seized control of the presidential debates precisely because the League was independent, precisely because this women's organization had the guts to stand up to the candidates that the major-party candidates had nominated.<br />
</div><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> That was George Farah, founder and executive director of Open Debates, speaking on Democracy Now! in 2012. He's the author of No Debate: How the Republican and Democratic Parties Secretly Control the Presidential Debates.<br />
Well, joining us now is Green Party presidential nominee Dr. Jill Stein, along with her running mate, Ajamu Baraka, a longtime human rights activist. Baraka is the founding executive director of the U.S. Human Rights Network and coordinator of the U.S.-based Black Left Unity Network's Committee on International Affairs.<br />
We welcome you both to Democracy Now! So, September 26, that's the first presidential debate. What are your plans, Dr. Jill Stein?<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> Our plans are to be in that debate, because it's not just about whether our party will be included, it's whether the American people will have a voice, whether we will have a real discussion of the crisis of jobs, of the climate, of race, of war. Theseand the crisis of a generation, an entire generation that's basically been hung out to dry, that cannot get out of predatory student loan debt, that doesn't have the jobs they need, and doesn't have a climate future to look forward to. So, these are really the critical issues that people want to discuss.<br />
We saw an incredible surge of a response last night, when we had our first prime-time TV. And I want to note that while we've come up to 6 and even 7 percent in the polls, this has happened without any media coverage, really, whatsoever onyou know, in the mainstream media. So, it's absolutely remarkable that we've not only doubled and tripled, even more than that, because we were invisible as of about two months ago in the polls, suddenly we're up there. So there's an enormous interest in what we're talking about.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> So, let's go back to <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/17/green_partys_jill_stein_cheri_honkala" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">2012</a>. The debate then was at Hofstra, as it will be on September 26. You and your running mate then, Cheri Honkala, were arrested as you attempted to enter the site of the presidential debate at Hofstra. Democracy Now! was there at the time of your arrest.<br />
<div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> Well, we're here to stand our ground. We're here to stand ground for the American people, who have been systematically locked out of these debates for decades by the Commission on Presidential Debates. We think that this commission is entirely illegitimate; that ifif democracy truly prevailed, there would be no such commission, that the debates would still be run by the League of Women Voters, that the debates would be open with the criteria that the League of Women Voters had always used, which was that if you have done the work to get on the ballot, if you are on the ballot and could actually win the Electoral College by being on the ballot in enough states, that you deserve to be in the election and you deserve to be heard; and that the American people actually deserve to hear choices which are not bought and paid for by multinational corporations and Wall Street.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 1:</span> Ladies and gentlemen, you are obstructing the vehicle of pedestrians and traffic. If you refuse to move, you are subject to arrest.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;">Remove them. Bring them back to arrest them, please.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 2:</span> Come on, ma'am.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 3:</span> Would you step up, please? Stand up, please?<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 2:</span> We'll help you. Come on. Thank you, ma'am.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 3:</span> Thank you, ladies.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 2:</span> Watch the flag.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 1:</span> Thank you, ladies.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 2:</span> Thank you.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 3:</span> Come with us.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 2:</span> Just come with us.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">POLICE OFFICER 3:</span> Thank you. You guys have to stay here. All right, everybody, we're going to ask you to please move back.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> Well, I'd say this is what democracy looks like in the 21st century. I'm afraid it's going to take somesome politics and courage here to get our democracy back. So, more to come.<br />
</div><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> "More to come," you said. So, you're taken away, Dr. Jill Stein, from the Hofstra campus. Where did you and Cheri Honkalawhere were you taken?<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> We were taken to a dark site, where nobody knew where we were, an unmarked facility that was basically being run by, I think, Homeland Security and the Secret Service and local police. We were surrounded by, according to Cheri, who counted them, some 16 police and colleagues, and handcuffed tightly to these metal chairs for about seven hours.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> Seven hours?<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> Seven hours, until the debates were long over and everyone had gone home. It was, I think, an incredible testimony to how fearful the political establishment was, and is, that people should learn that they actually have another choice in that raceand all the more so in this race, because we know that the current candidates of the Democratic and Republican parties are the most unpopular, the most disliked and untrusted presidential candidates in history. So, people are clamoring for another choice. And weyou know, we're building a campaign to get into the debates, and we'll keep people posted as to what our actions will be, coming up. But we will not leave this just to the establishment to shut down political opposition, which is what this commission is doing.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> Do you plan to head to Hofstra on September 26th?<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> Absolutely. Whether we are in the debate or whether we are locked out of the debate, you can be sure that we're going to be there. And we're not going to be there alone. We're going to be there with the American people, who are demanding that we open up the debate and make it a real service to our democracy.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> You have sued?<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">DR. JILL STEIN:</span> We have two cases, one of which has been dismissed. The other one is still technically in effect. We are not holding our breath that this is going to be favorably decided in a court of law, but there's every reason for this to be decided in the court of public opinion, where public opinion is very clear that people have had it, not only with the rigged economy, but the rigged political system and with the dialogue, which is rigged by the Democratic and Republican parties. This commission is a private corporation run by the two political parties. The League of Women Voters called it a fraud being perpetrated on the American public. We're not going to settle for that.<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> Earlier this year, I spoke to Libertarian presidential candidate <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/27/why_did_the_former_republican_gov" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Gary Johnson</a> in his home state of New Mexico. He talked about the unfair nature of the presidential debate system, as well.<br />
<div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">GARY JOHNSON:</span> Right now, running for president of the United States as a Libertarian, there is no way that a third party wins. There's no way that I have a chance of winning, unless I'm in the presidential debates. There is the possibility of being at 15 percent in the polls, though, if I'm in the polls, that I could be in the presidential debates.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AMY GOODMAN:</span> You're part of a lawsuit going after the Presidential Debate Commission?<br />
</div><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">GARY JOHNSON:</span> Yes, on the basis thaton the basis of the Sherman Act, that politics is a business, that Democrats and Republicans collude with one another to exclude everybody else. We think that the discovery phase of this lawsuit is going to provide national insight into just how rigged the system is. I come back to the fact that 50 percent of Americans right now declare themselves as independent. Where is that representation?<br />
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			<description><![CDATA[Two Benghazi parents sue Hillary Clinton for wrongful death, defamation<br />
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PETE WILLIAMSAug 8th 2016 8:50PM<br />
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<a href="http://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/08/two-benghazi-parents-sue-hillary-clinton-for-wrongful-death-def/21447562/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/08/tw.../21447562/</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>  The parents of two Americans killed in the 2012 terrorist attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Benghazi, Libya, filed a wrongful death lawsuit in federal court Monday against <a href="http://www.aol.com/2016-election/hillary-clinton/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Hillary Clinton</a>.  In the suit, Patricia Smith and Charles Woods, the parents of Sean Smith and Tyrone Woods, claim that Clinton's use of a private e-mail server contributed to the attacks. They also accuse her of defaming them in public statements.  Smith was an information management officer and Woods was a security officer, both stationed in Benghazi.<br />
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"The Benghazi attack was directly and proximately caused, at a minimum by defendant Clinton's 'extreme carelessness' in handling confidential and classified information," such as the location of State Department employees in Libya, the lawsuit said.  While no such connection has ever been established, their lawsuit called it "highly probable" that Clinton sent and received information about the activities of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens.  Such information, the lawsuit claimed, "easily found its way to foreign powers" and was then obtained by Islamic terrorists.<br />
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James Comey, <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/fbi-recommends-no-criminal-charges-against-hillary-clinton-n603926" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">in announcing the findings of the FBI's investigation </a>of her private e-mail server last month, said it was "possible that hostile actors gained access" to it. But he said the FBI did not find direct evidence that it was successfully hacked.  The two parents also said when Secretary Clinton met with them after their children were killed, she said that a controversial YouTube video was the motivation for the attacks. But they said that in later interviews she denied making such a statement and implied that the recollection of the parents was incorrect.<br />
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In a speech to the Republican convention in Cleveland, Smith said, "I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son."<br />
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The parents were represented by Washington, D.C., lawyer Larry Klayman, a frequent critic of the Clintons.  In response to the suit, Nick Merrill, a Clinton campaign spokesman, said "While no one can imagine the pain of the families of the brave Americans we lost at Benghazi, there have been nine different investigations into this attack and none found any evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing on the part of Hillary Clinton."  And one campaign official noted that Klayman is the founder or "Freedom Watch," a conservative group that "has been unsuccessfully attacking the Clintons for decades."</blockquote>
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I note that Klayman unsuccessfully tried to block insurance coverage of Clinton's legal expenses in the Paula Jones case.  I doubt that Clinton's private email server had any connection to the Benghazi attack; however, pertinent information about the nature and extent of the CIA/State activities (which Clinton presumably did authorize) that led up to the attack just might be uncovered during the civil discovery process. Perhaps the defamation portion of the case, where Hilary implied(?) that the parents lied about Clinton's statements to the families, will be productive.  Or maybe the grieving families will just be hung out to dry again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Two Benghazi parents sue Hillary Clinton for wrongful death, defamation<br />
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PETE WILLIAMSAug 8th 2016 8:50PM<br />
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<a href="http://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/08/two-benghazi-parents-sue-hillary-clinton-for-wrongful-death-def/21447562/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/08/tw.../21447562/</a><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>  The parents of two Americans killed in the 2012 terrorist attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Benghazi, Libya, filed a wrongful death lawsuit in federal court Monday against <a href="http://www.aol.com/2016-election/hillary-clinton/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Hillary Clinton</a>.  In the suit, Patricia Smith and Charles Woods, the parents of Sean Smith and Tyrone Woods, claim that Clinton's use of a private e-mail server contributed to the attacks. They also accuse her of defaming them in public statements.  Smith was an information management officer and Woods was a security officer, both stationed in Benghazi.<br />
<br />
<br />
"The Benghazi attack was directly and proximately caused, at a minimum by defendant Clinton's 'extreme carelessness' in handling confidential and classified information," such as the location of State Department employees in Libya, the lawsuit said.  While no such connection has ever been established, their lawsuit called it "highly probable" that Clinton sent and received information about the activities of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens.  Such information, the lawsuit claimed, "easily found its way to foreign powers" and was then obtained by Islamic terrorists.<br />
<br />
<br />
James Comey, <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/fbi-recommends-no-criminal-charges-against-hillary-clinton-n603926" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">in announcing the findings of the FBI's investigation </a>of her private e-mail server last month, said it was "possible that hostile actors gained access" to it. But he said the FBI did not find direct evidence that it was successfully hacked.  The two parents also said when Secretary Clinton met with them after their children were killed, she said that a controversial YouTube video was the motivation for the attacks. But they said that in later interviews she denied making such a statement and implied that the recollection of the parents was incorrect.<br />
<br />
<br />
In a speech to the Republican convention in Cleveland, Smith said, "I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son."<br />
<br />
<br />
The parents were represented by Washington, D.C., lawyer Larry Klayman, a frequent critic of the Clintons.  In response to the suit, Nick Merrill, a Clinton campaign spokesman, said "While no one can imagine the pain of the families of the brave Americans we lost at Benghazi, there have been nine different investigations into this attack and none found any evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing on the part of Hillary Clinton."  And one campaign official noted that Klayman is the founder or "Freedom Watch," a conservative group that "has been unsuccessfully attacking the Clintons for decades."</blockquote>
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I note that Klayman unsuccessfully tried to block insurance coverage of Clinton's legal expenses in the Paula Jones case.  I doubt that Clinton's private email server had any connection to the Benghazi attack; however, pertinent information about the nature and extent of the CIA/State activities (which Clinton presumably did authorize) that led up to the attack just might be uncovered during the civil discovery process. Perhaps the defamation portion of the case, where Hilary implied(?) that the parents lied about Clinton's statements to the families, will be productive.  Or maybe the grieving families will just be hung out to dry again.]]></content:encoded>
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