The USA by a slim margin votes for Fascism, Rascism, Mysogeny, Hate.

[Fred Steeves]

I guess the mantra of "Trump bad", "vote blue no matter who", is all I can expect from this conversation?

MSNBC comes to mind...

[Peter Lemkin]

I guess the mantra of "Trump bad", "vote blue no matter who", is all I can expect from this conversation?

MSNBC comes to mind...

Again, I do NOT see your point, your aim, your goal with your posts. I, yes, feel Trump, his staff, his hidden backers [Project 2025, Heritage Foundation, Christian Nationalist Groups, neo-Nazi groups/militias, racist-groups, Mormons, ultra-Right-Rich, etc. are entirely dangerous and intent on setting up a authoritarian semi-dictatorship and removing all progressive political actions since the end of WWII.
I personally am very critical of many of the Democrats, but as a group they are so less egregious than MAGA/Trump/Musk/Miller et al. that comparisons fail.

I have some problems with MSNBC, but they tower above all the Right-wing media. I mostly listen/watch Midas Touch and other progressive INDEPENDENT news media. That said, Maddow, Hedges, O'Donnell, and a few others do real news coverage compared to Fox and the even further right Propaganda Machines. MSNBC is still owned by a huge corporate giant and they are interested in profit over truth or journalistic honesty.

Again, what is your point? If you expect me to say anything good about what the Republicans have become, what MAGA and Trump are, don't hold your breath. Trump belongs in prison, not in the White House!

What is your point?

[Fred Steeves]

Easy does it I'm not here to troll you, just once again trying to wrap my head around how deep researchers in alt/indy media, can still wind up convinced that heavily partisan cable news is a place to find reliable information. There's another forum I used to be a part of where respected researchers went in all MAGA in his first term, even Qanon, and dropped FOX NEWS in lieu of Newsmax when it temporarily stopped being right wing enough. It's the strangest phenomena!

As I scroll down "Meidas Touch" videos, I'm immediately struck that it's nothing but endless hyperbolic Trump hate, with snarling images to boot for maximum effect, while pumping up these ridiculous hyper partisan dems like they're our knights in shining armor. This guy has such a case of TDS he puts MSNBC to shame. It's just the flip side of MAGA rhetoric.

At least the far MAGA right is honest about who they are - "damn straight we're right wing lunatics and we shall govern as such!". The dems on the other hand pretend to be that thoughtful left wing counter balance, when actually they're every bit right wing as their counterparts in key areas where it really matters. They're pro war, pro genocide, pro Wall Street, pro Intel agencies, and anti free speech. Joe Biden even managed to crush a railroad worker union strike along the way.

These are the people we need to get more of to (supposedly) save the day for democracy? I'm genuinely curious.

[Peter Lemkin]

Easy does it I'm not here to troll you, just once again trying to wrap my head around how deep researchers in alt/indy media, can still wind up convinced that heavily partisan cable news is a place to find reliable information.

As I scroll down "Meidas Touch" videos, I'm immediately struck that it's nothing but endless hyperbolic Trump hate, with snarling images to boot for maximum effect, while pumping up these ridiculous hyper partisan dems like they're our knights in shining armor. This guy has such a case of TDS he puts MSNBC to shame. It's just the flip side of MAGA rhetoric.

You're entitled to your biased views, but I think your real prejudices are showing. First, MTN is not 'cable news'. It has NO big corporate or other backers - the viewership are the 'backers'. If you don't like it, don't watch it! Ben sometimes gets a little excited; sometimes more than I would wish - BUT, he and his brothers came up with the idea. I personally think he's better when speaking more coolly, as others on the network do. You seem to have a problem with people being apoplectic about Trump/MAGA/Christian Nationalism/Racism/Mysogeny/Kleptocracy and governance by illegality - with a fascist state as its goal. I find that curious. I'm alarmed that Trump wasn't impeached twice and wasn't put in prison for his illegal putsch to take over the government illegally on Jan. 6. That people like you want to find and point out imperfections in those who point out this  ongoing travesty and the dangers we all now face, to me, is very odd. Which is more upsetting - that Ben sometimes gets upset or that Trump is trying to become a dictator of a fascist state in which all social/political/ethical progress made since the Civil War are reversed? There are very calm and better voices IMHO on MTN - such as the following shows: Shan Wu; Miss Trial; On Democracy; Uncovered (especially); The Weekend Show (especially); 5 Minute News (especially); Majority 54; the branch of MTN called Legal AF (especially); a separate show weekly by two psychologists called Shrinking Trump - and others.
People, I suggest those shows and a lot of good information that gets posted on BlueSky Social Media. Grumblers over style [rather than substance] like Fred are missing the point while saying they get the point.
Trump/MAGA/Musk/Miller/Project 2025/Christian Nationalists/White Nationalists/etc. are an existential threat to Democracy, to the USA, to more than half of the population of the USA, to life on this Planet! A little shouting about it doesn't bother me. I'm more bothered that it bothers Fred who can't see the forest for the trees, the important facts for the style in which it is presented. I can find things to be critical of with MTN, but I don't post them, because unlike Fred, I want the urgent message out that Trump/MAGA/Musk/Miller/Project 2025/Christian Nationalists/White Nationalists/etc. are an existential threat to Democracy, to the USA, to more than half of the population of the USA, to life on this Planet!, and it is long past time to start shouting, screaming, even sometimes ranting about it. Yes, presenting it in a cool, calm manner is my preference and I listed shows on MTN that do that consistently - even Ben does sometimes. We are facing erasure of hundreds of years of progress made against hate, prejudice, and privilege - rapidly heading to territory that frightens me and ought to frighten anyone of good morality and sense in the USA and around the World. Much of the World is 'freaking out' too about Trump/MAGA/Musk/Miller/Project 2025/Christian Nationalists/White Nationalists/Tech Megacompanies which spy on us/the Corporatism/the 0.1% taking over, etc. et al. The USA is going totally in the wrong direction and needs to be reversed by the PEOPLE!
We have already lost most of the mainstream media to Rightwing Propaganda networks and podcasts. The information on MTN is the important part, not the manner that SOME shows and SOME few on it take, IMO!

[Fred Steeves]

You're entitled to your biased views, but I think your real prejudices are showing. 
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that Ben sometimes gets upset or that Trump is trying to become a dictator of a fascist state in which all social/political/ethical progress made since the Civil War are reversed? 

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We are facing erasure of hundreds of years of progress made against hate, prejudice, and privilege

I see. 

So then please do correct my apparently obvious bias and prejudice. Was it Bad Orange Man, for instance, that mainlined thousands of hard core Nazis directly into our national bloodstream post WW2? Who else could possibly be responsible for fascism here if not for him dragging us all down...

Or if needed, we can do a walkthrough of American history and take a good, long look at all the other dark roads that Bad Orange Man has led this now dead man walking of a nation down. We can either start at an earlier beginning with the Trump family sailing over on the Mayflower and the genocide that ensued, or a later beginning with the founding of America proper, and the genocide that ensued because of the Trumps right here at home.

Either beginning for our journey through time is fine with me, shall we? 

And if we can come out of a history walkthrough unscathed, we can discuss how Bad Orange Man created the Rules Based Order that the other 6 billion people on this planet have a big, BIG problem with. That unipole order that has lost its grip on hegemonic world rule, will never get it back from the emerging multipolar world, but is willing to wipe out humanity if need be in the losing effort in TRYING to get it back.

Do you see why I have a problem with petty, partisan politics, especially on a research forum named "Deep Politics"?? Brother there's much bigger fish out there to fry than Harris v. Trump.

Or maybe you have a different view of history than me. Maybe you think America really is the good guys save for a few mistakes here and there? Well, up until Trump anyway... 

Where do we stand here?