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Say goodbye to Miranda rights.
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U.S. reviewing terrorism suspects procedures: report

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Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:01am EST




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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House is reviewing a plan that would require the Justice Department and FBI to consult with the intelligence community before deciding whether to inform terrorism suspects arrested in the United States that they have the right to remain silent and to consult with an attorney, according to the Washington Post.
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Senior administration officials said the proposed change in policy is the result of a review ordered by President Barack Obama, the paper reported in its Saturday edition.
It follows a controversy over the handling of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a Nigerian accused of trying to blow up a plane headed to Detroit on Christmas Day and who was read his so-called "Miranda" legal rights 10 hours after his arrest.
"We are analyzing lessons learned (in the case) with the goal of ensuring full information from across the government is available to law enforcement personnel on the ground as they conduct interrogations and make decisions on how to handle terrorist suspects," the paper quoted a senior administration official as saying.
"The final decision about Miranda and other law enforcement decisions will continue to lie with the FBI and the Justice Department," added the official, who requested anonymity because the new procedures have not yet been approved.
Republicans have criticized the Obama administration for not consulting with intelligence agencies before FBI agents read Abdulmutallab his rights. They say the decision cost the United States valuable intelligence.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61C0R620100213
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Obama may end up being worse than Bush.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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David Guyatt Wrote:Obama may end up being worse than Bush.

The trend it clear....just keep taking away protective laws for citizens and other persons - and simply do away with the accumulated last hundred few years of Justice. Summary executions by drone, private mercenaries, special forces, intelligence goons and police are increasing. Protections of any kind [heaven forbid the person might have some rights, protections under the law, or even be innocent!] are quickly going the way of the dodo. :goodnight:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
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The thing that confuses me about why this is an issue is:

You have the rights...whether they "read" them to you or not. Miranda does not confer the right to remain silent...it just advises one of it.

So lawyer-up immediately whether they tell you you can or not.
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Bruce Clemens Wrote:The thing that confuses me about why this is an issue is:

You have the rights...whether they "read" them to you or not. Miranda does not confer the right to remain silent...it just advises one of it.

So lawyer-up immediately whether they tell you you can or not.

A lawyer [Dawn!] can correct me, but my thought was that while it only informed you of your rights - not conferred them, if you say anything, do anything, admit anything, volunteer anything physical THEY CAN USE IT! Most are so intimidated by the Police in the USA [they kill many before they get to the station], no matter how innocent - or even if a bit guilty - they often say and do too much - not in their favor. I myself was once put in a Federal jail pending seeing a judge and was not allowed to make a phone call, though I knew I had such a right. Justice [to paraphrase W] is just a seven letter word.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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