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Where did the bodies go? 3,000 "deaths" from 9/11 not in Social Security death index
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http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/jul/...takes-911/
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I'm not dead': Social Security agency makes grave mistake for thousands

WASHINGTON A New York congresswoman who represents Manhattan wants answers to why nearly 3,000 victims of the 9/11 terrorists attacks weren't reported in the Social Security Administration's official list of deceased Americans.

Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., said her staff started making inquiries after the errors in the federal Death Master File (DMF) were detected by Scripps Howard News Service. The file is a public record intended to protect families of the deceased from identity theft and other types of fraud.

"While nearly 3,000 individuals were killed on Sept. 11th, the list does not show an increase in numbers from the typical DMF daily average," Maloney said. "A sampling of those names did not yield any matches in the DMF and confirms their apparent absence."

She said her staff has contacted the Social Security Administration, the New York State Department of Health and the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, only to receive "conflicting answers as to why there is a lack of reporting on this matter."

So Maloney is asking Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue and the public health commissioners for the state of New York and New York City, jointly, to account for the reporting error.

"Would you explain why individuals killed on 9/11 would be missing from the DMF?" Maloney asked in her letters.

__ Contact reporter Thomas Hargrove at hargrovet@shns.com.
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For that matter why are there no Arab names listed in the dead from the flights that supposedly flew into various buildings and fields, nor any DNA evidence of them?!...seems related.
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
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What do you suppose is going on? Is the number exaggerated? Why? How many DID die that day? Who are the families that show up at each memorial service?

There was lots of deception in the official story. But we can assume that it was all "required" for some reason... Why the fake deaths?

What was all the hysteria about with missing person posters on walls and fences in NYC... Was that a PR stunt?

How many actors were involved in the show? Can they all keep their mouths shut?
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While the number and exact names are NOT [yet] known, I think it is clear and logical that MANY did die that day - in the buildings, around the buildings and maybe on flights [whatever their real nature]. It seems clear, at this point, that some to most of the 'calls' made by flight victims were faked. I think most of the families grieving lost loved ones are NOT acting. Maybe a few acts were performed. The whole event shows the callousness to life - even for some in the Pentagon - who must to my thinking have been on the real perps 'good-guys' list. It would take only ONE find of a death from that date that is still alive; or that they had died another way and/or another time and place to really unravel much of the ball of lies. Much about Dallas really didn't come clear for many years - well over ten for some aspects. They had so much time to advance their techniques and control over how things were/are perceived. On the dead, the non-recording of some deaths by the Govt. I think one has to think outside of the box. It is, however, clear that thousands died on or near that day. An exact accounting may be difficult - it is the kind of thing a Government could easily do - but have proven themselves unwilling to do so. It is very suspicious even if you believe the official version, and a thousand times more so, if you do not.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Jeffrey Orling Wrote:.... Can they all keep their mouths shut?

Wow! Even today, after years of batting these kinds of issues around, with the waves of "debunking", we see this old tired canard of an 'argument' show up once again. If you can't do better than that....

There are three immediate answers to this, and it's too late in the day for me to think terribly hard for more...

1) The list of people who have opened their mouths, known in the field as "whistle-blowers", is well-publicized.

2) It is obvious you have never heard of "cut-outs", "compartmentalization" or the use of -- and dismantling of -- corporate shells.

3) As has been noted previously, the 9/11 "game" was based to a great extent on computerization, some of which occurs at speeds measured in microseconds. Previously posted, for example, and probably capable of being found again, are numerous articles on the application of the OODA loop to cyberwarfare. Christ almight, Jeffrey, but Indira Singh, risk management specialist for JP MorganRothschild, was screaming about this from the top of "the pile". Spend some time understanding the OODA loop, and then reflect on the state-of-the-art and the "black" or covert work that has likely been done in the related fields of information, warfare, technologies, etc etc in the years 1995-2001 and whih may still be hidden, secret or "black".

Oh, yes, that's right... we did discuss this when you first came in.. https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...Kevin-Ryan

Here's another one: http://www.sans.edu/research/leadership-...ard-porter

This one is from 1996: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/afit/schec_gm.pdf

The description of the application of the OODA loop to the electronic battlefield starts on page 51.

Here's one from 2000 on e-commerce.

The mere fact that some of this stuff is poorly understood, covert, etc. makes mince-meat of any reliance on obvious, visible, measurable "evidence" or "science".

But for god's sake, keep your mouth shut about it.

Someone is likely to hear you and throw you in the can with Manning and make you eat peanut-butter-flavored Ensure.
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#6
It seems to me whenever Jeffrey Orling posts here he encounters a hostile response bordering at times on hysteria. All he did was make the entirely reasonable point that it would seem unnecessarily extravagant to fake the deaths and fake the attendant publicly visible mourners. In response to that question you post links, amongst other things, to a hundred page military document. Are we supposed to read it to find out the answers? Why don't you just tell us in plain English what you think? I haven't a clue what an OODA loop is but I suspect it wouldn't take very long to explain it.
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Malcolm Pryce Wrote:It seems to me whenever Jeffrey Orling posts here he encounters a hostile response bordering at times on hysteria. All he did was make the entirely reasonable point that it would seem unnecessarily extravagant to fake the deaths and fake the attendant publicly visible mourners. In response to that question you post links, amongst other things, to a hundred page military document. Are we supposed to read it to find out the answers? Why don't you just tell us in plain English what you think? I haven't a clue what an OODA loop is but I suspect it wouldn't take very long to explain it.

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James H. Fetzer Wrote:"Would you explain why individuals killed on 9/11 would be missing from the DMF?" Maloney asked in her letters.

May I try?

It is in the best interests of the perpetrators of 9-11 and other, broadly similar conspiracies to provide false leads for and to promote disharmony to the extent of internecine warfare within investigative "communities" and, by extension, to demonize all conspiracy researchers in the minds of the general public.

If I were a 9-11 Facilitator, I would do what's necessary to get one big-name, well-intentioned investigator to state specifically that "alleged" victim John Doe is not listed on the DMF and thus was not killed in the attack -- only to have the distraught, enraged widow Doe appear publicly to chastise the cruel, borderline insane "conspiracist" and all of that ilk who would dare torture victims' families with this sort of wild claim.

An elegantly simple way to do this job? Keep the names off the list.

I might add that, once again, this likely is not an either/or situation.

So let's solve the mystery. Easier said than done, but knock on door after door until we find just one undead "victim" of the attacks.

Do I believe that some cell phone calls were falsified? Absolutely.

Do I believe that some cell phone calls were legit? Not quite.

Do I believe that some officially acknowledged "victims" are pure fiction. Absolutely.

Do I know that the coverup has multiple objectives that transcend protection of this particular conspiracy?

Yes.
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#9
Some of the 'undead' include the hijackers themselves. Many of whom were found to be alive and well and still living their various lives in the middle east never having stepped foot in the US.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:Some of the 'undead' include the hijackers themselves. Many of whom were found to be alive and well and still living their various lives in the middle east never having stepped foot in the US.

There has not even been any official or semi-official 'explanation' or attempt at an explanation of this phenomenon, mentioned by Magda. Several are alive, several are flying as a profession, several were seen by friends and family, several were interviewed by non-US media.....and this remains unexplained; with most Sheeple in the USA not even knowing [like the collapse of WTC 7] that there is anything 'wrong' along these lines. Such is the power of propaganda and propaganda puppets like Murdoch [and many others]. Amazing. Dance

I generally agree with CD that built into the original plan [and evolving further, after] is to make those who'd dare see/declare the Emperor without clothes look like fools and to divide and conquer among researchers and different camps who don't believe in the official version.....as was/is done with Dallas and so many other such. They even 'run' some of these alternative stories and 'research blocks', only to discredit others.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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