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Dawn Meredith
03-16-2009, 07:58 PM
This past week I have discovered facebook is a real powerhouse for deep politics. So today I have plugged us. Will continue to do so. So if Myra or Magda get any new registrants saying someone from FB sent them it's moi.

I saw how fast Alex Jones' video-The Obama Deception- went out over FB yesterday all over the world.

Spreading the word ...

Dawn

Myra Bronstein
03-16-2009, 10:39 PM
This past week I have discovered facebook is a real powerhouse for deep politics. So today I have plugged us. Will continue to do so. So if Myra or Magda get any new registrants saying someone from FB sent them it's moi.

I saw how fast Alex Jones' video-The Obama Deception- went out over FB yesterday all over the world.

Spreading the word ...

Dawn

Good going Dawn! Brilliant.

Damien Lloyd
03-17-2009, 12:42 AM
This past week I have discovered facebook is a real powerhouse for deep politics. So today I have plugged us. Will continue to do so. So if Myra or Magda get any new registrants saying someone from FB sent them it's moi.

I saw how fast Alex Jones' video-The Obama Deception- went out over FB yesterday all over the world.

Spreading the word ...

Dawn

I watched it as soon as someone uploaded it. I have no idea what to make of Alex Jones. He has a habit of twisting facts, and applying "spin" for dramatic effect. The facts are astounding alone, there is no need to lie to make the point that some very naughty men control everything.

Myra Bronstein
03-17-2009, 01:15 AM
I watched it as soon as someone uploaded it. I have no idea what to make of Alex Jones. He has a habit of twisting facts, and applying "spin" for dramatic effect. The facts are astounding alone, there is no need to lie to make the point that some very naughty men control everything.

I like Alex Jones a lot. I know people look askance at him but I think he connects a lot of dots.

The first part, about Obama's lies was clearly factual so that was easier to judge.

The second part about Obama's, actually the ruling elite's, agenda was hard for me to judge. I have no idea if it makes sense and, frankly, didn't understand the logic of much of the supposed agenda. Cow tax--huh?

I was also surprised by the claim that global warming is a hoax (perhaps I owe ol' Michael Crichton an apology). And I've never been convinced that President Kennedy was fixin' to dump the Federal Reserve. Bill Still, Producer/Narrator of the video "The Money Master," sure doesn't seem to think so. I just don't have the expertise to evaluate that claim.

But there was much of interest there. And the repeated statements that JFK was the last real president was correct. I'd like to watch it again.

Obama is, without a doubt, the puppet they claim. He's been rammed down our throats for years, and the media is way too positive about him, and the old regime clearly approved of him. I thought the description of him as a "Trojan Horse" was spot on.

Tosh Plumlee
03-17-2009, 02:54 AM
This past week I have discovered facebook is a real powerhouse for deep politics. So today I have plugged us. Will continue to do so. So if Myra or Magda get any new registrants saying someone from FB sent them it's moi.

I saw how fast Alex Jones' video-The Obama Deception- went out over FB yesterday all over the world.

Spreading the word ...

Dawn

Dawn; good work. If we all did something positive then something positive might get done.

History shows that when the people act then things change for the better, although its sometimes very tough on the people.

Dawn Meredith
03-17-2009, 01:42 PM
This past week I have discovered facebook is a real powerhouse for deep politics. So today I have plugged us. Will continue to do so. So if Myra or Magda get any new registrants saying someone from FB sent them it's moi.

I saw how fast Alex Jones' video-The Obama Deception- went out over FB yesterday all over the world.

Spreading the word ...

Dawn

I watched it as soon as someone uploaded it. I have no idea what to make of Alex Jones. He has a habit of twisting facts, and applying "spin" for dramatic effect. The facts are astounding alone, there is no need to lie to make the point that some very naughty men control everything.

So Damien, Do you think that the president is actually in charge? That "naughty men" don't pull the strings? If so then why do you think JFK was murdered and by whom? Not trying to be argumentative here, just curious. Also I agree with Myra about JFk and the Fed. She's done the research. I see a lot of people on FB repeating each other that this is THE reason JFK was assassinated. I have responded to several of them and because it was getting too time consuming to do then I began urging people to check us out. Thus far a few have said they will. So I will continue to do this. I need to listen to the vid again too. It's two hours and a lot to digest.

I'd be very interested in other people's take here, especially CD, David, Jan, Magda,Peter...Tosh...
I have also been listening to Alex for a very long time. Years ago when he was talking about the camps, national ids and the like he seemed a bit hysterical, but I knew then he was also right. In this vid he is CALM, you almost don't know it's even him. (I did not watch it but listened on headphones as I was cleaning the house on Sat.) As for him twisting the facts the only instance where I KNEW he has done that is about child protective services. I represent children and parents in these cases and kids do NOT get removed over a dirty house. Just does not happen. Ever. Parents lie. Kids are removed only in serious abuse/neglect cases. I have been doing this work 20+ years.
Dawn

Nathaniel Heidenheimer
03-17-2009, 03:51 PM
Judging by the number of visitors here right now, (72) its working.

Damien Lloyd
03-17-2009, 10:04 PM
[quote=Damien Lloyd;5009][quote=Dawn Meredith;4993]

So Damien, Do you think that the president is actually in charge? That "naughty men" don't pull the strings? If so then why do you think JFK was murdered and by whom? Not trying to be argumentative here, just curious. Also I agree with Myra about JFk and the Fed. She's done the research. I see a lot of people on FB repeating each other that this is THE reason JFK was assassinated. I have responded to several of them and because it was getting too time consuming to do then I began urging people to check us out. Thus far a few have said they will. So I will continue to do this. I need to listen to the vid again too. It's two hours and a lot to digest.

I'd be very interested in other people's take here, especially CD, David, Jan, Magda,Peter...Tosh...
I have also been listening to Alex for a very long time. Years ago when he was talking about the camps, national ids and the like he seemed a bit hysterical, but I knew then he was also right. In this vid he is CALM, you almost don't know it's even him. (I did not watch it but listened on headphones as I was cleaning the house on Sat.) As for him twisting the facts the only instance where I KNEW he has done that is about child protective services. I represent children and parents in these cases and kids do NOT get removed over a dirty house. Just does not happen. Ever. Parents lie. Kids are removed only in serious abuse/neglect cases. I have been doing this work 20+ years.
Dawn


I liked the film, and agreed with what I saw. What I meant was I don't know how to take Alex Jones in general. I was first exposed to his work when a friend lent me his 911 film "Terrorstorm" following a conversation in which I expressed my doubts about 911. The film was good, and does it's job but many times I've heard him say things which over simplify the issues, and at times are just plain wrong. For instance many times he's said that Marvin Bush was head of security at the WTO and that his contract ended on sept 10th 2001. Why lie like that? EVERYBODY knows John O'Neill was head of security, not Marvin Bush. From what I've been able to find Marvin Bush worked for a security company that worked WITH the WTO until the buildings were destroyed (not because the contract expired the previous day) but thats quite a difference from "Marvin Bush, the Presidents brother was head of security, and his contract ran out the day before 911"

Thats one example, you've probably ignored others that you've heard, and there's the problem. Why ignore an obvious lie, or a slight exageration? These things will be grabbed, embraced and used to discredit all of the facts by people desperate to keep their heads buried in the sand or by others who have an interest in keeping people ignorant.

When talking about the truth of what happened on 911, the JFK assassination or any of the other issues we talk about here. It is imperative that those passing the information on to others are 100% accurate and factual. If you get caught in a lie your credibilty is 100% GONE. No matter how much truth preceeds the lie, or follows the lie, that person is a liar and nothing they say can be trusted.

I am still however a bit of an Alex Jones fan, his work has bought many things to my attention. I loved the Martial law series. He's obviously passionate, and maybe thats the problem. His passion (I believe you likened it to hysteria) may lead him to say things which are a little less than completely honest, and are sometimes plain wrong in order to convince others and force them to do their own digging. But these things are crimes, and when investigating crimes or delivering the results of those investigations one should always stick to the facts, and only the facts. Nothing else is necessary and is usually harmful.

Dawn Meredith
03-18-2009, 11:31 AM
I agree with you Damien. For some time now I have been meaning to get in touch with Jones on two issues: The one I mentioned in my post re.CPS cases, invite him to come to court a few days with me if he needs proof, and on the assassination of JFK and the Executive order re the Fed. I am not sure if he has a link to email him at inforwars.com as I have not been at his site in some time. But I iwll check into it becaue I agree once someone lies about something you have to begin to question all else. In the case of CPS I believe Jones does not know that he is lying. That some parents contacted him and lied about their children's removal. On the Fed issue and JFK I was educated here at this site over the weekend by Myra Bronstein who has done her own research on this. But I will try to track him down and set him straight on these two issues. I did not see th other vid you mention. I mainly see him on access tv here or at his site.
Dawn

David Guyatt
03-18-2009, 12:51 PM
It is imperative that those passing the information on to others are 100% accurate and factual. If you get caught in a lie your credibilty is 100% GONE. No matter how much truth preceeds the lie, or follows the lie, that person is a liar and nothing they say can be trusted.

I take slight issue with you on this Damien. Not because I disagree about Alex Jones beuase he has the backing and support to be accurate all the time. But when working alone without the support and, more importantly, without the financial means to be pristine in everything one says, errors and factual mis-statements can and do creep in. It has happened to me more than once. While I, and doubtless many others, have the best intentions in mind, human nature will trick us at times.

An example might suffice. I once wrote a piece about drugs and made reference to Colombia, but because I was under time constraints and, more likely because I'm mildly dyslexic, I spelled Colombia as Columbia. I know the difference between the two but it was just one of those Jack-in-the-Box moments and it wasn't picked up in the revision or the subbing. Later I got an email from someone pointing out the error and making the statement that it had detracted from my credibility because of it. I found this to be an a rather aloof statement to make in view of the general tenor of piece itself.

Working alone in difficult situations with no financial or technical support is far from easy and is something that is often overlooked. If you're a writer or journalist writing in these areas it is imperative to have the honesty to admit and correct errors. Significant uncorrected errors do however cause distrust and quite right so in my opinion.

Just my two cents worth though.

Damien Lloyd
03-18-2009, 07:18 PM
I understand that it's not always possible to be 100% accurate all of the time. And that any journalist upon noticing a mistake would obviously jump at the chance to rectify that mistake. The example you give above is just that, an honest mistake. However sticking to the example I've given above, if you were doing a peice on the WTO collapse and you had heard a report that the presidents brother was head of security at the WTO. Then I'd imagine you would at first feel a sense of shock, and then you would seek to clarify the report before broadcasting it to the masses.

It is a HUGE deal, and the fact that it's incorrect has caused imo damage to the credibility of not just Alex Jones but to the whole idea that things are not as they seem with the official story. Just take a look at any of the 911 debunking sites that exist. The Marvin Bush accusation and it's debunking appears on all of them. Alex Jones has made the claim many times, and he has also reported on John O'Neill the real head of security. He knows he's stretching the truth but continues to use the line.

I've spent quite a bit of time looking at those sights, and I believe it is entirely possible that the WTO collapse of both tower one and two could have been caused by the impact and subsequent fires. It is also entirely possible that they could have been destroyed by controlled demolition. There are questions that obviously need to be answered. But the real question in my opinion is whether or not the powers that be knew of the attacks, and whether or not they acted on that information (if they had it). The reason I feel those are the questions that are paramount is simple. They are questions that can be answered, and evidence shown to support the answers. I do not believe that the same can be said of the actual collapses. For those questions can only be answered by theories and evidence will always exist to support those theories even when the theories oppose one another.

It seems to me that information regarding the attacks was known in advance and was not dealt with. This is either due to criminal negligence, or an actual willingness to see that the events of 911 were carried out unhindered (which would make the parties in the know accessories before the fact).

Tosh Plumlee
03-18-2009, 09:29 PM
"... if you were doing a peice on the WTO collapse and you had heard a report that the presidents brother was head of security at the WTO. ...".

Damien>>> Is that meant to be the WTC? I'm not sure what the WCO is? I am not a journalst... just an old operative that can't spell s..t without two tee's. AND TOO, my typerwriter (key board... just dated myself) makes a lot of mistakes.

Was that in reference to, "The World Trade Center" (WTC) or the World Trade Organization, (WTO)

Keep up the good work......... T


P.S. I may be wrong but in writing, I always cap the; 'The Commander in Chief', and the President... I was in the military and got my butt kicked a few times for not doing that.

David Butler
03-18-2009, 09:58 PM
This past week I have discovered facebook is a real powerhouse for deep politics. So today I have plugged us. Will continue to do so. So if Myra or Magda get any new registrants saying someone from FB sent them it's moi.

I saw how fast Alex Jones' video-The Obama Deception- went out over FB yesterday all over the world.

Spreading the word ...

Dawn

Hi Dawn

Whereabouts on FB did you plug the forum as I haven't seen anything in my rambling around Facebook....

Cheers

David

Damien Lloyd
03-18-2009, 10:45 PM
"... if you were doing a peice on the WTO collapse and you had heard a report that the presidents brother was head of security at the WTO. ...".

Damien>>> Is that meant to be the WTC? I'm not sure what the WCO is? I am not a journalst... just an old operative that can't spell s..t without two tee's. AND TOO, my typerwriter (key board... just dated myself) makes a lot of mistakes.

Was that in reference to, "The World Trade Center" (WTC) or the World Trade Organization, (WTO)

Keep up the good work......... T


P.S. I may be wrong but in writing, I always cap the; 'The Commander in Chief', and the President... I was in the military and got my butt kicked a few times for not doing that.


Sorry, I'd just got home from work with a frazzled brain and was arguing about the World Trade Organisations "benefits to the world" with my friend whilst typing (multitasking is obviously for girls).

David Guyatt
03-19-2009, 09:53 AM
I understand that it's not always possible to be 100% accurate all of the time. And that any journalist upon noticing a mistake would obviously jump at the chance to rectify that mistake. The example you give above is just that, an honest mistake. However sticking to the example I've given above, if you were doing a peice on the WTO collapse and you had heard a report that the presidents brother was head of security at the WTO. Then I'd imagine you would at first feel a sense of shock, and then you would seek to clarify the report before broadcasting it to the masses.

It is a HUGE deal, and the fact that it's incorrect has caused imo damage to the credibility of not just Alex Jones but to the whole idea that things are not as they seem with the official story. Just take a look at any of the 911 debunking sites that exist. The Marvin Bush accusation and it's debunking appears on all of them. Alex Jones has made the claim many times, and he has also reported on John O'Neill the real head of security. He knows he's stretching the truth but continues to use the line.

I've spent quite a bit of time looking at those sights, and I believe it is entirely possible that the WTO collapse of both tower one and two could have been caused by the impact and subsequent fires. It is also entirely possible that they could have been destroyed by controlled demolition. There are questions that obviously need to be answered. But the real question in my opinion is whether or not the powers that be knew of the attacks, and whether or not they acted on that information (if they had it). The reason I feel those are the questions that are paramount is simple. They are questions that can be answered, and evidence shown to support the answers. I do not believe that the same can be said of the actual collapses. For those questions can only be answered by theories and evidence will always exist to support those theories even when the theories oppose one another.

It seems to me that information regarding the attacks was known in advance and was not dealt with. This is either due to criminal negligence, or an actual willingness to see that the events of 911 were carried out unhindered (which would make the parties in the know accessories before the fact).

I agree with you about Alex Jones. It's beyond shoddiness. I also share your view about 911. It makes far more sense to me that powerful forces knew what was in the pipeline and let it happen. This was the Pearl Harbour option I believe. I submit that the Pentagon and CIA knew every move Atta made. This is the only interpretation I can reasonably arrive at in view of Operation Able Danger and the fact that Atta was protected from arrest by the FBI when the Pentagon stepped in to protect him.

Dawn Meredith
03-20-2009, 01:07 PM
This past week I have discovered facebook is a real powerhouse for deep politics. So today I have plugged us. Will continue to do so. So if Myra or Magda get any new registrants saying someone from FB sent them it's moi.

I saw how fast Alex Jones' video-The Obama Deception- went out over FB yesterday all over the world.

Spreading the word ...

Dawn

Hi Dawn

Whereabouts on FB did you plug the forum as I haven't seen anything in my rambling around Facebook....

Cheers

David

HI David,
I have posted it several times on my page, or wall as FB calls it. But to see it you have to be a friend. I aquired several- about 20- new friends over last weekend who were suggested by a conspiracy aware freind who uses BF to post the kind of information, vids, article etc we have here. I think you first have to have your own page. Then there is a search bar where you can type in names and find their FB page. Then you can make a friend request. All your friends can see your info on FB.
Hope this answers all your questions.
Dawn