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Peter Lemkin
08-05-2012, 06:08 PM
Little known, as it is ongoing. One officer shot; one shooter shot and captured. Why Sikhs...they are NOT muslims [though many idiot Americans thing they are, because the men wear head turbans. Just outside of Milwaukee, WI. Rumors that there are two other shooters inside the very large temple and many injured and/or hostages inside. One report from the Priest inside that up to 20-30 inside shot; not know how many are dead. Doesn't sound good. All too many of these sorts of things!!!

a few dribs and drabs more...
A person who had friends inside the temple told Patch that the shooting occurred during a morning service and that at least one gunman opened fire on the victims.
There are other reports that victims still in the temple were telling friends and family not to call their cell phones because they are still in hiding and the ringer may give up their positions.
Police also have been asking media to not broadcast any photo, video or tactical developments at temple.
Another person on the scene told Patch that shortly before noon that there were three or four people inside the temple with guns. That person described the shooting as "a hate crime."
Another member of the temple told Patch: "The priest called from inside (the temple) and said, "Send ambulances; send ambulances."
According to recent information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt. He was last seen with two handguns.
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update: at least seven dead - one a/the gunman

Peter Lemkin
08-05-2012, 07:17 PM
Police say at least seven people, including a gunman, were killed in a shooting at a Sikh temple near Milwaukee Sunday.

Police were called to respond to the shooting at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in the suburb of Oak Creek on Sunday morning, when witnesses said several dozen people were gathering for a service.

Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt said four people were found dead inside the temple, while three, including the suspected shooter, were found dead outside. Police say they don't think there is a second shooter involved.

Wentlandt said the shooting suspect opened fire on an officer and the officer "put down" that man. Wentlandt said the officer was shot multiple times.

He described the scene as chaotic and fluid and urged the media not to broadcast photos or video showing tactical units, which could put officers in danger. Police responded to the shooting with a dozen ambulances.

Three other shooting victims, all men, were taken to Froederdt Hospital in Milwaukee, the main trauma center for the area, spokeswoman Carolyn Bellin said. One was in the operating room, another in a surgical intensive care unit and the third was being evaluated in the emergency room, she said.

According to the Journal Sentinel, there could be as many as 30 victims; among those shot was the president of the temple.

A text message sent to a Journal Sentinel reporter stated that there were two shooters, and children were possibly taken hostage.

“Since I’ve been alderman, for about three years, there has never been any trouble, or any problems,” County Alderman Dan Jakupczyk told Fox News of the temple. “They have been good citizens.”

Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt told reporters that a police officer arriving on the scene engaged an active shooter and that the officer was shot multiple times. The officer is expected to recover, Wentlandt said. He said the shooter was “put down.”

One of the temple's committee members, Ven Boba Ri, told the Journal Sentinel that based on communication with people inside the temple, the shooter was a white male in his 30s.

"It's sad, I don't know how to describe it," said Ri, who has been fielding calls all morning from around the world, including India.

"Sikhism is such a peaceful religion. We have suffered for generations, in India and even here."

Oak Creek is south of Milwaukee along Lake Michigan.

Magda Hassan
08-06-2012, 10:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYCurbSAsd4&feature=player_embedded
Seven dead, including gunman, in shooting at Wisconsin Sikh temple
By Brendan O'Brien
OAK CREEK, Wisconsin | Sun Aug 5, 2012 7:09pm EDT

(Reuters) - A gunman killed six people and critically wounded three at a Sikh temple during Sunday services before police shot him dead, and the attack is being treated as domestic terrorism, police said.
The gunman opened fire when he entered the kitchen at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee at about 10:30 a.m. CDT (11.30 a.m. EDT) as women were preparing a Sunday meal, witnesses said. They described the shooter as a white man.
Turban-wearing Sikhs are often mistaken for Muslims, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation is overseeing the probe into shootings, Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said.
"We're treating this as a domestic terrorist incident," he told reporters.
Four people were shot dead inside the sprawling temple. Three, including the gunman, were killed outside.
The gunman ambushed and shot a police officer several times when he responded to a 911 call and was helping a shooting victim, Edwards said.
A second officer shot the gunman dead. Edwards had no identification of the shooter or what kind of weapon or weapons he had.
The wounded officer, a 20-year veteran, was taken to a hospital and is expected to survive, he said.
The Oak Creek shooting is the latest in a series of gun rampages in the suburban United States.
The shooting came little more than two weeks after a gunman opened fire at a theater in Aurora, Colorado, killing 12 people and wounding 58. In January 2011, then-congresswomen Gabrielle Giffords was the target of an assassination attempt in which six people were killed and 13 were wounded.
"The gunman is worse than the one at the theater a couple of weeks ago because he targeted an entire community," said temple member Jagatjit Sidhu.
He was among dozens of temple members and onlookers who gathered in a parking lot near the temple after police sealed the building off.
LONE GUNMAN
Witnesses at the temple had said there was more than one gunman, but Edwards said reports of multiple gunmen were common in incidents that involved only one shooter.
"We believe there was one but we can't be sure," he said. Officers finished sweeping the temple only after hours of searching, and Edwards said the investigation was just starting.
President Barack Obama said he was "deeply saddened" and pledged his administration's commitment to fully investigate the shooting.
Obama was briefed by counterterrorism adviser John Brennan and FBI director Bob Mueller and told the situation at the temple was "under control."
"The president said that he wanted to make sure that as we denounce this senseless act of violence we also underscore how much our country has been enriched by our Sikh community," the White House said in a statement.
The Indian embassy in Washington said it was in touch with the National Security Council about the shooting and an Indian diplomat had been sent to the Sikh temple in Wisconsin.
Milwaukee's Froedtert Hospital said three men had been brought in wounded and were in critical condition. One had been shot in the abdomen, one in the extremities and face, and a third was hit in the neck.
SIKHS IN U.S.
The Sikh faith is the fifth-largest in the world, with more than 30 million followers. It includes belief in one God and that the goal of life is to lead an exemplary existence.
The temple in Oak Creek was founded in October 1997 and has a congregation of 350 to 400 people. There are an estimated 500,000 or more Sikhs in the United States.
Since the attacks of September 11, 2001 by Islamist militants, Sikhs have sometimes been confused publicly with Muslims because of their turban headdress and beards.
In September 2001, a Sikh gas station owner in Mesa, Arizona, was shot dead by a man who was said to be seeking revenge on Muslims for the hijacked plane attacks on the United States.
Members of the Milwaukee Sikh community complained to police and a state representative last year about an upturn in robberies and vandalism at Sikh-owned gas stations and stores.
New York police said they were increasing security at Sikh temples as a precaution. There are no known threats against temples in the city, they said in a statement.
Sapreet Kaur, executive director of the Sikh Coalition civil rights organization, said Sikhs had been the target of several hate-crime shootings in the United States in recent years.
"The natural impulse of our community is to unfortunately assume the same in this case," he said in a statement.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/05/us-usa-wisconsin-shooting-idUSBRE8740FP20120805

Magda Hassan
08-06-2012, 10:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ecdSKi9_fs&feature=player_embedded#!

Peter Lemkin
08-06-2012, 10:39 AM
What worries me [along with the needless loss of life] is the branding of this as domestic 'terrorism'. That word now legally can be used to trigger off all kinds of horrible things. In the past it would be called a case of mass murder or a hate crime. Very little is being said about the apparent shooter and dead men don't speak. Wait a few days and there may be a package with a diary or notebook with drawings....

The Police were quick to say the shooter had no affiliation with any hate groups or terrorist groups. Quick work on their part :smileymad:, It may be so, or it may not be; but he was certainly a hate group of one and didn't randomly choose that location to shoot people [just having a 'bad day' and needing to 'let off steam' American style].

Peter Lemkin
08-06-2012, 02:33 PM
The shooter was named as a former soldier who had links to racist groups....they often teach that now in the military - in some units, I hear.

....BUT GET THIS! Wade Michael Page, who served in the U.S. Army for about six years. According to sources in the Army, Page enlisted in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., attached to the psychological operations unit.

There are far too many 'coincidences' of people involved with psychological units, psychology or related sciences becoming mass executioners to be 'chance'....which leaves some kind of program [such as mind control or mind disruptions or conspiracy or both]. This too was likely a PSYOP with a very long latency trigger. I'd just LOVE to know what he was trained to do in his psychological operations unit and what he, himself, was subjected to!!!! I'm sure we'll not be told......I can guess.

Also of note: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms Special Agent Thomas Ahern said Page had tattoos that suggested he had ties to white supremacists. "It is being investigated. And what his tattoos signified is being investigated. They are all pieces of a possible puzzle to learn what was his motive in carrying out such a horrific act," Ahern said. On Sunday the FBI and a bomb squad arrived at a home in Cudahy, Wis., near Oak Creek, and ABC News Milwaukee affiliate WISN reported the action appeared to be related to the temple shootings earlier in the day. [shades of James Holmes....crossed with Breivik]

Ed Jewett
08-06-2012, 06:36 PM
Sikh Temple Shooting: Get Ready For "Hate Crime"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w_wKeTXd_0&feature=player_embedded

The narrative for the Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin to be blamed on conservatives and libertarians in order to portray anti-big government activists as "hate criminals" is already underway. This will also be used to further demonize the second amendment as legislation is readied to eviscerate gun rights. Watch out!

Obama is being kept up to date on the issue by his homeland security advisor even though this tragic incident is over and has nothing to do with national security. The media is already hyping the "hate crime" angle.

RELATED: Eyewitness: 4 Man Team Behind Sikh Temple Shooting -http://www.infowars.com/eyewitness-4-man-team-behind-sikh-temple-shooting/

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Paul Joseph Watson writes, "The narrative for the Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin to be blamed on conservatives and libertarians in order to portray anti-big government activists as “hate criminals” is already underway. This will also be used to further demonize the second amendment as legislation is readied to eviscerate gun rights – despite the fact that the shooter was only stopped when a police officer killed him by firing a gun.

"Obama is being kept up to date on the issue by his homeland security advisor even though this tragic incident is over and has nothing to do with national security. The media is already hyping the “hate crime” angle."

The psyops are already emerging...and the shooter was a military psyops specialist. What a coincidental whiff of MK Ultra.







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nierika (San Diego)




http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/wade-michael-page-identified-sikh-temple-murderer

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/06/wisconsin-temple-gunman-army-veteran

Am familiar with this group being active in Stormfront and other forums. The whole White Supremacist Movement and Christian Identity Movement seems to be engineered by Zionistsin in conjunction with the FBI. Sad to see young people get caught up in this crap. My old friend Michael Delaney has gone down that road and it discredits his previous 9/11 work including MISSING LINKS.

Ed Jewett
08-06-2012, 06:46 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/06/authorities-search-for-motive-in-deadly-shooting-at-wisconsin-sikh-temple/ (contains embedded photo chain)

URGENT: A 40-year-old Army veteran and suspected white supremacist who gunned down six inside a Milwaukee-area Sikh temple shot the responding officer eight to nine times before he was killed by police, authorities said Monday.
Officials said the gunman, whom they identified as Wade Michael Page, walked into the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin on Sunday and opened fire with a 9mm semi-automatic handgun as several dozen people prepared for morning services. The victims ranged in age from 39 to 84, authorities said. Three others were wounded, including 51-year-old veteran police officer Brian Murphy, who remains in critical condition.
Authorities said during a Monday press conference that there is no reason to believe anyone other than Page was involved in the shooting in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek. But the FBI showed a photo of a "person of interest" whom they want to question in the investigation. The unidentified man showed up at the scene after the shooting and looked "suspicious," Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said. The man left before police could interview him.
FBI Special Agent in Charge, Teresa Carlson, said a motive is still under investigation, and noted that authorities are looking at Page's "ties to white supremacist groups."
Carlson said the shooting is being investigated as a "possible act of terrorism." She said the suspect "had contact with law enforcement in the past," but said there was no reason to believe he was capable of such violence.
"Nobody knew that this guy was a threat," Carlson said.
Edwards said police received a distress call at 10:25 a.m. from inside the temple. He said the shooting suspect ambushed and opened fire on Murphy, a 20-year veteran of the police force, after he showed up on scene and tried to help a victim outside. Murphy was shot by the suspect eight to nine times, Edwards said.
Other officers responding to the scene exchanged rounds of gunfire with the suspect before "putting the individual down," Edwards said.
Four people were found dead inside the temple, while three, including the suspected shooter, were found dead outside. The victims were identified Monday as Sita Singh, 41, Ranjit Singh, 49, Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65, Prakash Singh, 39, Paramjit Kaur, 41, and Suveg Singh, 84.
Sources close to the investigation told Fox News that Page was at one time attached to the Fort Bragg Army installation in North Carolina.
Authorities said Page enlisted in April 1992 and was discharged from the Army in 1998 "under honorable conditions," which is less than honorable discharge. While not as negative as a dishonorable discharge, such a release would preclude one from reenlisting or entering another military service, sources explained to Fox News. Reuters reported that the discharge was for "patterns of misconduct," including being drunk on duty.
Page served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., attached to the psychological operations unit. He was an E4 psychological operations specialist, but was never deployed. He was awarded the Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal, Army Good Conduct award, the National Defense Service Medal, Humanitarian Service Medal and Parachutist Badge.
The shooting left the local Sikh community devastated. Sikhism, a monotheistic faith founded in South Asia more than 500 years ago, has roughly 27 million folowers worldwide. Most are in India, though there are an estimated 500,000 in the U.S. Many Sikhs in the U.S. worship on Sundays at a temple, or gurdwara, and a typical service consists of meditation and singing in a prayer room where worshippers remove their shoes and sit on the floor. Worshippers gather afterward for a meal that is open to the entire community.

The Sikh Temple of Wisconsin started in 1997 with about 25 families who gathered in community halls in Milwaukee. Construction on the current temple in Oak Creek began in 2006, according to the temple's website. Sikh rights groups have reported a rise in bias attacks since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 incidents in the U.S. since 9/11, which advocates blame on anti-Islamic sentiment. Sikhs are not Muslims, but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say.
Satwant Singh Kakeka, president of the temple, was one of those killed. Sources told Fox News he attempted to tackle the suspect as he sprayed gunfire inside the temple.
A woman who says she was a neighbor of the suspect tells FoxNews.com that last week she heard yelling coming from the apartment she believes is the same one the FBI is now searching.
The neighbor says, as she understood it, the suspect had lived in the apartment with his girlfriend until their recent break-up. The suspect had then moved into another apartment nearby two weeks ago. She says he had returned to the old apartment and was banging on the door of his old apartment, demanding to be let in. The neighbor also said she believed the suspect had a 9-11 tattoo.
Another local resident Kurt Weins told the Journal Sentinel he rented out the upper flat of the duplex to a man in his 40s.
"I had him checked out and he definitely checked out," Weins told the newspaper. "The cops told me they don't want me to say nothing right now."
Click for more from the Journal Sentinel. (http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/reports-of-people-shot-at-sikh-temple-in-oak-creek-qc6cgc0-165059506.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png
Click for more from Fox6Now.com. (http://fox6now.com/2012/08/05/several-injured-in-oak-creek-church-shooting/)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png
Fox News' Justin Fishel, Mike Levine, Jana Winter and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/06/authorities-search-for-motive-in-deadly-shooting-at-wisconsin-sikh-temple/#ixzz22nFAi4Rf

Ed Jewett
08-06-2012, 06:59 PM
Sikh Temple Shooter Served in U.S. Army Psychological Operations Unit (http://cryptogon.com/?p=30685)

August 6th, 2012Page Served in U.S. Army Psychological Operations Unit
Via: CBS News (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/06/cbs-news-shooter-identified-as-former-us-military-member/):
CBS News reports that Page enlisted in the Army in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He was last stationed in Fort Bragg, N.C., serving in the psychological operations unit.

Wade Michael Page
Via: CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57487094/sikh-temple-shooting-suspect-identified-as-wade-michael-page-motivation-unclear/):
The suspect in a shooting that left six people dead at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee on Sunday has been identified as Wade Michael Page.
Authorities confirmed to CBS News on Monday that Page was the suspect in the shooting. He was killed outside the temple in a shootout with police officers after the rampage that left terrified congregants hiding in closets and others texting friends outside for help.
Multiple sources tell CBS News that Page was a former member of the U.S. military, but he was no longer serving actively. It was not immediately clear under what circumstances Page left the military.
Officials had previously described the suspect as a heavy-set, 40-year-old Caucasian with numerous tattoos.
Sources tell CBS News some unspecified evidence suggests race or ethnicity may have played a role in the violence, but no links to extremist groups have been confirmed.
Local police called the attack an act of domestic terrorism, but other sources tell CBS News correspondent Bon Orr it may be more accurate to refer to “an investigation into a possible hate crime.”
Neither the local nor the federal sources provided further details or suggested a possible motive, including whether the suspect specifically targeted the Sikh temple.

CBS News correspondent Ben Tracy reports Page is only believed to have lived at the residence for two weeks, according to neighbors.

Suspect Lived on Holmes Avenue
In other Holmes news: Colorado Movie Theater Massacre (http://cryptogon.com/?p=30455).
Via: Journal Sentinel (http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/shooter-described-as-white-army-vet-in-his-40s-ai6ck9q-165092276.html):
Law enforcement personnel from various departments and agencies are on the scene at E. Holmes Ave. in Cudahy, where police were searching a house after Sunday’s mass shooting.

UFO Documentary Film Director’s Father Killed at Sikh Temple
[???] [[poster notes the presence of an embedded video at this point in the article]

Via: New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/report-shooting-sikh-temple-wisconsin-oak-creek-wounded-gunman-loose-article-1.1129430):
The president of the temple, Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65, was shot while trying to tackle the gunman, CNN reported. Kaleka, a married father of two adult sons, later died, his family told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Kaleka’s son, Amardeep, said he got a call from his father’s cell phone soon after the shooting broke out. It was a priest telling him his father had been shot.
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Peter Lemkin
08-06-2012, 07:04 PM
Ed, Your post above has nothing to do with this thread. Perhaps a mistake, but you seem to fire off many similar posts, sometimes without noticing that others have posted the same or similar. It happens to all of us at times, but it seems to me you do it quite a lot. Sorry to bring it to your attention, but it has been on my mind and at times on my nerves. :pullhair: Yes, you also post good and related materials, but.....slow down and take a look around, please.

Peter Lemkin
08-06-2012, 07:18 PM
Alleged Sikh temple shooter former member of Skinhead band

By Mark Potok, Senior Fellow Southern Poverty Law Center

UPDATE (12:23 CST):

Wade Michael Page was a member of two racist skinhead bands –– End Apathy and Definite Hate, a band whose album “Violent Victory” featured a gruesome drawing of a disembodied white arm punching a black man in the face. In the drawing, the fist is tattooed with the letters “HFFH,” the acronym for the phrase “Hammerskins Forever, Forever Hammerskins.”

The Hammerskins is a nationwide skinhead organization with regional factions and chapters that once dominated the racist skinhead movement in the United States.

Both of Page’s bands played with a revolving lineup of musicians, and their music was at one time featured on the Hammerskin Nation record label. In 2010, Page and his band mates –– including Brent Rackley, a member of a Confederate Hammerskins chapter in North Carolina –– played at a racist music festival called Independent Artist Uprise in Baltimore. Other bands featured at the show were Blue Eyed Devils and Max Resist, both influential mainstays on the hate music scene.

The man who allegedly murdered six people at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee yesterday, identified in media reports as Wade Michael Page, was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band.

In 2010, Page, then the leader of the band End Apathy, gave an interview to the white supremacist website Label 56. He said that when he started the band in 2005, its name reflected his wish to “figure out how to end people’s apathetic ways” and start “moving forward.” “I was willing to point out some of my faults on how I was holding myself back,” Page said. Later, he added, “The inspiration was based on frustration that we have the potential to accomplish so much more as individuals and a society in whole.” He did not discuss violence in the interview.

Michael Page
Page told the website that he had been a part of the white power music scene since 2000, when he left his native Colorado on a motorcycle. He attended white power concerts in Georgia, North Carolina, West Virginia and Colorado. At various times, he said, he also played in the hate rock bands Youngland (2001-2003), Celtic Warrior, Radikahl, Max Resist, Intimidation One, Aggressive Force and Blue Eyed Devils. End Apathy, he said, included “Brent” on bass and “Ozzie” on drums; the men were former members of Definite Hate and another band, 13 Knots.

In 2000, the Southern Poverty Law Center has found that Page also attempted to purchase goods from the neo-Nazi National Alliance, then America's most important hate group.

Ed Jewett
08-06-2012, 07:26 PM
Peter, which post do you think is unrelated? (I thought you had declared openly that you wouldn't ever bother to read my posts.)

In a simple response, Peter, everything is related. All information available to the review and vetting of source, cause and effect is not and cannot (in a world actively filled with many sources of information, misinformation and disinformation) be neatly categorized into a single thread. It's an active cosmos. Perhaps we ought to categorize all posts into two categories: wave, or particle. Then we can invite Prigogine, Jung, Pauli and others to join the forum.

It is interesting that you use the phrase "getting on your nerves" in the broader context of a thread, two events, and the introduction of large piles of implication about the weaponization of neuroscience. Indeed, the act of getting on one's nerves has been deeply energized by lots of interest, funding, and organization since the creation of the Tavistock Institute for Human Relations, since 1994 headquartered on Tabernacle Street in London (inside "City" boundaries). Given its long history of research into the effects of traumatization on the human nervous system, psyche, etc...., given the information recently circulated about the purposeful creation of chaos..., given the role of the British psychological warfare, the CIA (and others?) in the applied "wartime experience of psychological collapse, to create theories about how such conditions of breakdown could be induced, absent the terror of war. The result was a theory of mass brainwashing, involving group experience, that could be used to alter the values of individuals, and through that, induce, over time, changes in the axiomatic assumptions that govern society."

"Mass media were capable of reaching large numbers of people with programmed or controlled messages, which is key to the creation of ``controlled environments'' for brainwashing purposes. As Tavistock's researches showed, it was important that the victims of mass brainwashing not be aware that their environment was being controlled; there should thus be a vast number of sources for information, whose messages could be varied slightly, so as to mask the sense of external control. Where possible, the messages should be offered and reinforced through ``entertainments,'' which could be consumed, without apparent coercion, and with the victim perceiving himself as making a choice between various options and outlets."

I'll assume that your use of the phrase "getting on my nerves" was a personal colloquial expression that indicates a certain amount of personal frustration that stems perhaps from your inability to get your point across, or control the conversation.

Jan Klimkowski
08-06-2012, 08:46 PM
So, the Fort Bliss psyops graduate gravitates towards the white supremacist and "hate rock" scene.

Is this American History X?

Or Carol Howe all over again?

“Hammerskins Forever, Forever Hammerskins.”

Or:

"Agent Provocateurs, Elohim City Redux."

Ed Jewett
08-07-2012, 02:03 AM
Amardeep Kaleka, son of president of Sikh Temple: multiple shooters of Caucasian descent. Emmy Award-winning director Amardeep Kaleka is a co-producer of a film on the UFO-alien Disclosure Project. (http://www.sirius.neverendinglight.com/) We're deep into X Files territory now folks!










Links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qSt6LoXQ6A&feature=player_embedded

http://www.sirius.neverendinglight.com/

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/?

Magda Hassan
08-07-2012, 02:16 AM
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Ed Jewett
08-07-2012, 03:49 AM
Sikh Temple Massacre: Here it comes… Page Was Against the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/sikh-temple-massacre-here-it-comes-page-was-against-the-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/)Posted on August 6, 2012 by willyloman

by Scott Creighton
UPDATE: Former Special Forces soldier David Kellerman admits that he was tasked by the FBI (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=47029) to infiltrate the National Alliance in 2000… Page left his career in the military in late ’98 and then set out to get involved in the hate band scene… in the same year, 2000. Were Kellerman and Page working on the same operation?
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Well that didn’t take long…

Page’s neighbor, 53-year-old retiree John Hoyt, told AFP that the suspect had a tattoo referring to the September 11, 2001 attacks by Islamist militants on US sites and “something about lost souls.”
But he said he had been surprised to learn of the shootings, as Page had seemed a “pretty normal guy”, despite having strong opinions about the United States’ military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
“I was surprised. He was a real laid back kind of guy. The only negative things he said was about the war and his girlfriend and President Bush Junior, because he started the war,” Hoyt said. AFP (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/7-killed-us-sikh-temple-shooting-police-185640479.html)
So, let me get this straight, he was a psyop specialist who was opposed to the occupations and the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan… who blamed Bush for lying us into war… but he hated Muslims anyway… so he attacked some Sikhs?
Is that the story?
Got it.
Meanwhile… someone burned down a Mosque in Missouri (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/06/missouri-mosque-destroyed-in-suspicious-fire/)

Ed Jewett
08-07-2012, 04:06 AM
"Suppose you're the senior EMT immediately on-scene at a shopping mall; a berserk gunman with automatic weapons is hiding somewhere in the building. How do you get to the first several victims?"

That's the third and fourth sentences in an article in a JEMS publication called Rescue (March-April 1990, pp. 46-52).

Ed Jewett
08-07-2012, 04:20 AM
Monday, August 6, 2012US Army psy-ops behind Wisconsin massacre?


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Wade Michael Page, the “man with a 9/11 tattoo” blamed for the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting, turns out to be a US Army psy-ops specialist (http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/afp/shooting-suspect-was-us-army-psy-ops-specialist-pentagon/535983).

Does the US military, or corrupt forces within it, stage false-flag massacres of civilians inside the US and other “friendly” countries as a kind of “psychological operation”?
Of course it does.

Remember Operation Northwoods (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html)? Every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a document proposing that the US military massacre civilians in American cities in order to achieve a political objective: Demonize Cuba and grease the skids for war.

Remember Operation Gladio (http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio)? The Pentagon, through NATO, organized bombings and shootings in the streets of Europe. When one of the terrorists got caught, he explained at his trial (http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio#The_Strategy_of_Tension): “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public to turn to the State to ask for greater security.” He later explained the “strategy of tension” to the BBC: “To create tension within the country to promote conservative, reactionary social and political tendencies.”

Is somebody trying to “promote conservative, reactionary social and political tendencies” in the US today by staging massacres like the recent shootings in Wisconsin and Colorado? Reports of multiple shooters, and other witness statements that don’t fit the official “lone nut” story, suggest that this may be the case.

We recently learned that the notorious “DC Sniper” (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/07/10/forgotten-terror-the-dc-sniper-another-government-false-flag/) – the US Army Special Forces whiz who changed his name to “Muhammad” just in time to go on a shooting spree – was a government-sponsored false-flag operation.

When someone starts killing “civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game,” it causes public opinion to swing towards acceptance of hard-line government authority. It makes people run to the state for protection. It stops the people from questioning their leaders, and makes them more willing to do insane things like march off to war.

The neocon agenda aims to turn the US into an authoritarian state at perpetual war with the enemies of Israel. Today, the Zionist plan to smash the Middle East into pieces is running up against the intransigence of Russia, China, and Iran. World War III looms.

Are we being reduced to mental slavery to prevent us from protesting as our leaders get ready to kill most of us in a big nuclear exchange?

That is a big question to ponder on Hiroshima Day.

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Peter Lemkin
08-07-2012, 04:32 AM
Posted on August 6, 2012 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
UPDATE: Former Special Forces soldier David Kellerman admits that he was tasked by the FBI to infiltrate the National Alliance in 2000… Page left his career in the military in late ’98 and then set out to get involved in the hate band scene… in the same year, 2000. Were Kellerman and Page working on the same operation?
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Well that didn’t take long…
Page’s neighbor, 53-year-old retiree John Hoyt, told AFP that the suspect had a tattoo referring to the September 11, 2001 attacks by Islamist militants on US sites and “something about lost souls.”
But he said he had been surprised to learn of the shootings, as Page had seemed a “pretty normal guy”, despite having strong opinions about the United States’ military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
“I was surprised. He was a real laid back kind of guy. The only negative things he said was about the war and his girlfriend and President Bush Junior, because he started the war,” Hoyt said. AFP
So, let me get this straight, he was a psyop specialist who was opposed to the occupations and the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan… who blamed Bush for lying us into war… but he hated Muslims anyway… so he attacked some Sikhs?
Is that the story?
Got it.:lol:

Wow! This is a strange one to untangle, for sure......got to give this one a 'think' from several angles. Likely we are dealing with a few different things here. Naming a few [perhaps not complete]: His training in PSYOPS and perhaps his mission after 'discharge'; they may have messed around with his mind when he was in PSYOPS, using him as a guinea pig; he may have had inherent racist opinions - or that might have been part of his legend; He may have disliked W and his wars, or that may have been part of his strange and mixed-message legend; the MSM and ongoing PSYOPS may be feeding false information, or partially false/misleading information about him; and if he was a 'laid back kind of guy', he certainly broke 'character' that day..... and there could be more. This one is [or was designed to be] very confusing - with seemingly contradictory facets of his 'personality' clashing. He could have been a nut case from the get-go; or he could have been made into one in PSYOPS by design, or as 'blowback' from his time in PSYOPS work. Go figure.:wirlitzer: Perhaps a PSYOP within a PSYOP within.......

One thing seems sure....the number of mass shootings keeps rising and the timing between them seems to be getting much less....is there a plan here? Perhaps a topic for a conference on this kinds of events - along with the internet discussions. America is becoming a shooting gallery, with the general populace the duckies to be shot at. The Police were bad enough; now we have 'lone nut' shooters, many with backgrounds in PSYOPS, psychiatry, psychology or study in the neurological sciences.

Ed Jewett
08-07-2012, 04:37 AM
"... Was Wade Michael Page part of a long term psyop looking to infiltrate the White Supremacy counter couture of America? Was he reactivated as part of the newly established destabilization campaign here at home? Did his team turn the psyop on him or did he accidentally get caught off guard by local police? Was he just a young man fucked up in the head after years of psyops?How is it that this guy couldn’t tell Muslims from Sikhs? He was in the military for Christ’s sake. Don’t they know the difference better than your average skin-head?

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Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting puzzlePosted on August 7, 2012 (http://rehmat1.com/2012/08/07/wisconsin-sikh-temple-shooting-puzzle/) | Leave a comment (http://rehmat1.com/2012/08/07/wisconsin-sikh-temple-shooting-puzzle/#respond)
On Sunday, worshippers at the Wisconsin Sikh temple (Gurduwara), became the latest victims of the US culture of gun, ethnic hatred and false-flag operations. The shooter died in a ‘police encounter’ outside the temple after killing six worshippers and wounding several others.
On Monday, the Pentagon identified (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/sikh-temple-shooting-suspect-was-former-us-army-specialist/article4464677/) the shooter as former US Army “psychological operations specialist”, Wade Michael Page 40, who had served US Army between April, 1992 and October, 1998, ending his career at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. According to the Pentagon records – Page was a qualified parachutist who received a commendation medal, five achievement medals, two good conduct medals, the National Defense Service Medal and a Humanitarian Service Medal.
Heidi L. Beirich, the Zionist Jew director of the intelligence project at theSouthern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) in Montgomery, has claimed that Page had been a member of the racist skinhead band End Apathy, based in Fayetteville, North Carolina, in 2010. SPLC, is a Zionist-controlled (http://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-the-southern-poverty-law-center/) civil rights organization, created in 1971 – and is headed by Zionist Jew J. Richard Cohen.
Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards has claimed the shooting to be an act of domestic terrorism. But since the shooter is not a Muslim, local police, FBI and media is not concerned whether Wade Michael Page is a Jewish or Christian – he’s just a ‘White male’. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on US soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. It shows that American Jews (7%) are more involved in domestic terrorism than Muslims (6%). See below.
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The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 hate incidents against Sikhs in the US since 9-11 (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/23/israels-fingerprints-are-all-over-911-and-im-not-afraid-to-say-it/) - as their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims. The first person killed in retaliation for the 9-11 was Balbir Singh Sohdi, a turbaned Sikh who was mistaken for a Muslim by a Zionist thug Frank Rouqe, on September 15, 2001.
Barack Obama was notified of the Wisconsin shooting shortly before 1 pm by his Jewish Homeland Security Advisor, John Brennan (http://rehmat1.com/2011/03/19/obama-can-i-speak-to-nasrallah-please/). “As we mourn this loss which took place at a house of worship, we are reminded how much our country has been enriched by Sikhs, who are a part of our broader American family,” said Barack Obama. However, during his November 2010 visit to India – Obama refused to visit Sikh religion’s most sacred place, the Golden Temple in Amritsar (Indian Punjab) – fearing a Sikh ceremonial turban might remind the Jewish lobby of his Muslim father (http://rehmat1.com/2010/11/03/obama-and-minority-rights-in-india/).
In January 2012, The Tonight Show host Jay Leno upset the 500,000-strong US Sikh community by calling Golden Temple, “a summer home for millionaire GOP presidential candidate Israel-Firster Mitt Romney“.
In February 2010 – the RAW-Mossad funded Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)operatives killed two of its Sikh hostages (http://rehmat1.com/2010/02/25/sikh-victimes-of-raw-mossad-terrorism-in-pakistan/) whose bodies were found in Wazristan area on February 21. The Indian media and Hindu communal leaders along with Zionist-controlled western mass media was quick to use this incident to demonize Pakistani Muslims for their hatred towards non-Muslims. TTP had kidnapped four sikhs, Jaspal Singh, Mahal Singh, Gurjit Singh and Gurvinder Singh. Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee Sham Singh, however, in a conference confirmed that only Jaspal Singh had been killed. He also condemned India’s false propaganda against Pakistan by painting a wrong picture of Pakistan using this incident – while saying: ”Pakistan is not less than Heaven for Sikhs. We are safe here“.
Dr. Kevin Barrett, columnist, author, blogger and radio talk show host – believes the temple shooting was a US Army psy-ops (http://truthjihad.blogspot.ca/2012/08/us-army-psy-ops-behind-wisconsin.html)to scare the hell out of Americans and prepare them for the next disastrous military adventure.
“The neocon agenda aims to turn the US into an authoritarian state at perpetual war with the enemies of Israel. Today, the Zionist plan to smash the Middle East into pieces is running up against the intransigence of Russia, China, and Iran. World War III looms,” says Dr. Barrett.
Sikh religion was founded by Guru Nanak. He was born into a high-caste Hindu family on April 15, 1469. As a young boy, Nanak was introduced to Islam through his Muslim friends. Later he went to Baghdad to study Islam. In 1507 he proclaimed a new religion based on Islamic monotheism with Hindu traditions and culture. However, the modern Sikhism is not based on his teachings but the teachings of Guru Arjan, who compiled Sikhism holy book Guru Granth in 1601. The construction on the Darbar Sahib (or Harmandir; now also known as the Golden Temple) in Amritsar on the land donated by Mughal King Aurengzaib Almgir, was also completed in the same year. In 1857, Sikhs helped British colonialists to suppress Muslim-Hindu military resistance against foreign rulers. In 1947 Sikhs helped Hindu extremist groups to massacre nearly one million Muslim men, women and children for demanding a separate Muslim state of Pakistan.
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08-07-2012, 05:11 AM
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08-07-2012, 05:20 AM
MONDAY, AUGUST 6, 20122012 Mass Shootings are False Flag Anti-Gun Political Operations (http://killtheempire.blogspot.com/2012/08/video-evidence-2012-mass-shootings-are.html)

Batman Shooting Spree

Eyewitness: Second shooter, tear-gas: http://youtu.be/yoPqz4bQqJY

Eyewitness: Someone let shooter inside, cell-phone coordination:http://youtu.be/Hhev_9vmh7I

Holmes drugged during arraignment: http://youtu.be/a7a8w-c9-Gk


Sikh Temple Shooting Spree

Eyewitness: Unidentified 'people': http://youtu.be/LIan9GvvSTo

Eyewitness: Well coordinated, multiple shooters, released gas:http://youtu.be/zYCurbSAsd4

Eyewitness: 4 white males dressed darkly opened fire: http://youtu.be/9ecdSKi9_fs

NBCNEWS: Suspect wore tactical gear: http://youtu.be/DZ8sc22L6DA

Fox6: Suspect may live on Holmes Avenue: http://youtu.be/YUtIsysE2h8

CBSNews.com: Suspect identified, ex-army psychological operations unit (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57487094/sikh-temple-shooting-suspects-motivation-unclear-wisconsin-home-searched-for-clues/)

FBI Seeking Second Person of Interest (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/unknown-person-of-interest_n_1747804.html#slide=more243060)

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Peter Lemkin
08-07-2012, 01:21 PM
It’s also been reported that the suspect has only been at his current location for two weeks. Did he move into that location about the same time that the Aurora Massacre took place? The address is a duplex in the 3700 block of E. Holmes Ave. And get this… he had lived in Colorado…exactly where has not been released yet.

Peter Lemkin
08-07-2012, 06:35 PM
AMY GOODMAN: Wisconsin police have identified the shooter who killed six worshipers at the Oak Creek Sikh temple and critically wounded three others before being shot dead. The gunman, Wade Michael Page, died in the attack. He’s a white 40-year-old U.S. Army veteran. Authorities are now investigating Page’s links to white supremacist groups and his membership in skinhead rock bands. According to military sources , Page served as a soldier in the Army from 1992 to 1998, when he was discharged for patterns of misconduct. Page worked in psychological operations and was stationed at Ford Bliss and Fort Bragg in North Carolina. On Monday, the Southern Poverty Law Center revealed Page was connected to the white supremacist movement and a member of two white power bands named End [Apathy] and Definite Hate. The Southern Poverty Law Center described Page as a "...frustrated Neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white power band." According to a profile in The Milwaukee Journal Centinal, Page used the "dirt people" to describe people who were not white. Page reportedly worked as a truck driver for five years but lost his job in 2010. Last year he lost his home in North Carolina after it was foreclosed by Wells Fargo. Well, Wade Michael Page had been on the radar of the Southern Poverty Law Center for several years. FBI Special Agent Teresa Carlson said he not present an obvious threat.

TERESA CARLSON: We did not have an investigation on him prior to yesterday

REPORTER: Were you aware of his [Inaudible]?

TERESA CARLSON: There may be references to him in various files and those are things that are being analyzed right now, but, we had no reason to believe, and as far as know, no law enforcement agency had any reason to believe that he was planning or plotting or capable of such violence.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, to talk more about the significance of the shooting and the identity of the gunman we’re joined now by two guests. In Milwaukee, Don Walker is with us, a journalist for The Milwaukee Journal Sentinal. We’re also joined by Mark Potok in Montgomery, Alabama, the Director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center. We welcome you both to Democracy Now! Mark Potok, you had him on your radar, or his groups from 2000. Talk about the organizations that he was a part of.

MARK POTOK: Well, he describes in the year 2000, essentially entering the white supremacist scene, he talks about leaving native state of Colorado on his motorcycle with just what he could carry on tat bike, and essentially, heading out into the world of these white power rock-and-roll bands. He played in some very well-known bands over the years, a band called Blue Eyed Devils, another one called Intimidation One. These are really very well known on the racist scene. And then in 2005, he went on to form his own band, which was called End Apathy. I think that’s significant because he gave an interview a couple of years ago in which he talked about the name of that band, and essentially said what he was really saying was the white supremacist scene was, a lot of people who talked a lot and did not do anything at all. This is a very common complaint you hear from people in that world. I think, essentially what it did was predict what ultimately he did. The mass murder he carried out.

AMY GOODMAN: Don Walker, in Milwaukee, you have a very comprehensive profile of his life. Can you give us a thumbnail sketch of who page was? Where he was born and the trajectory his life took?

DON WALKER: He was born in Colorado. His mother died at a relatively early age. His father remarried. We talked to his stepmother yesterday, and she explained that by all accounts, he had a very normal upbringing. Loved to fish, loved to hunt, doing just typical growing up things, young kids kind of things. Left though, and went through a series of years where no much was happening, quite frankly, and then as you reported, joined the Army in 1992 and served until 1998. I think it’s notable that he served for a time in Fort Bragg, which during that particular time, there was a great deal of white supremacist activity both on the base and off. We don’t know that he was directly connected to it, but we do know that he was certainly exposed to it.

AMY GOODMAN: He was in Psychological Operations, Psy-Ops, at both Bliss and Bragg?

DON WALKER: I 'd have to say that that's a bit of a head-scratcher. My understanding of that particular kind of discipline is it’s sophisticated. No one that we have talked to said, in fact expressed surprise that he had been in that program. We talked to a psychiatrist who said that’s like going from the lobby to the 20th floor very quickly. So that is somewhat of a surprise, but, apparently, that did not last long. He also did some other jobs in the military, including repairing missiles. So, he was exposed to a wide variety of tasks in the Army, but that work in Psy-Ops is still a bit of a mystery to all of us.

AMY GOODMAN: And of course Psy-Ops, if you could explain what that is for people to understand.

DON WALKER: It’s the use and dissemination of information for strategic purposes. We’re not necessarily learning what specifically he did there, but it’s essentially about manipulating information. One may call it propaganda, though maybe that is a stretch. Certainly, it is a way of conveying information to the strategic benefit of your side.

AMY GOODMAN: How come he was forced out of the military? What happened?

DON WALKER: In your opening there, you mentioned that he had been excused or let out because of misconduct. I would only point out, that is what people have told us. There is no specific paperwork or any kind of confirmation of that, but certainly people told us who served with him at the time that he was a Nazi sympathizer, he was insubordinate in many cases. He was given what they called a general discharge, which is different than an honorable discharge and certainly different than a dishonorable discharge, and was told he could not re-enlist. The FBI has seized those records, so we’re not able to find out more about that.

AMY GOODMAN: So, according to Oak Creek Police Chief, John Edwards, in 1998, he was given a general discharge, a cut below honorable. And then, Don Walker, talk about where he went from there, coming out of the military, what, some 14 years ago.

DON WALKER: Well, an assortment of jobs, as reported; truck driving jobs. He lived in North Carolina. We believe he went to Colorado. Then, more recently, he showed up in the Milwaukee area. We’re not quite certain why he did that, but moved to a suburb not all that far from the Sikh temple where the attacks occurred. Again, jobs, somewhat menial, third-shift factory work, that sort of thing. He had very few belongings. Moved around, moved in with a girlfriend who had a child. Many of his neighbors that we spoke with yesterday talked about him averting eye contact, not really interacting with people. So, they did not make much of it, but certainly he was not the kind of person who was gregarious and outgoing . He ultimately moved to a suburb called Cudahy, which is also very close to the Sikh temple, and it was there that he apparently planned his attack.

AMY GOODMAN: And his economic circumstances, Don? He was foreclosed on recently?

DON WALKER: Yes, he lost his home in January — or I should say late last year — in North Carolina; a home valued at approximately $165,000. The bank took it over, it’s vacant. No one really knows, I mean he had enough income...

AMY GOODMAN: It was a house right near the airport in North Carolina, on the road to the airport?

DON WALKER: That’s Correct. It was near Fayetteville Airport. He was earning enough money, we believe, to sustain that or pay for that home, but ultimately the circumstances let to foreclosure and he left and the bank took it over.

AMY GOODMAN: So he gets out of the military, he gets into major financial trouble, but also let’s go back to Mark Potok. Now, you have written, Mark, that in 2000 The Southern Poverty Law Center found that Page also attempted to purchase goods from the Neo-Nazi National Alliance. Tell us who they are.

MARK POTOK: The National Alliance, back then in the year 2000, was by far the most important hate group in the United States. It was an organization of about 1400 people led by a former University physics professor, of all things, named William Pierce. I think some of our listeners will recall him because Pierce is the author of the race war novel called "The Turner Diaries" which has often been described as the bible of the extreme rights. We don’t know what page was trying to buy, but what is certainly true, and I think suggests what he did buy, is that The National Alliance owned something called Resistance Records. At the time, this was the premier distributor of white power music in U.S. So, our best guess is that he was buying music. He was buying CDs from Resistance Records. But, merely the fact he had contact with the National Alliance suggests once again that he was very much in the center of this world.

AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to go to one of Page’s songs.

[Music]

AMY GOODMAN: Talk, if you would, Mark Potok, talk about his music and talk about the messages in the music and who these groups are like End Apathy, what is meant by that.

MARK POTOK: Well, a couple things. First of all, I couldn’t even hear the words. We tried listening to several of his tracks yesterday and were able to distinguish very little in terms of what he was actually saying, and that’s fairly typical of music in the white supremacist world. It’s kind of shouted music. This world, the musical scene is a very large underworld that the public basically knows nothing about. That is the world he operated in. The music is terribly important to the white supremacist scene in a couple of ways. First of all, it’s the number one earner. These groups have very few ways of bringing money in and are typically, essentially, destitute. The National Alliance, back in the year 2000, was bringing in $600,000–$700,000 a year through its music, which is extraordinary. The other aspect of the music is that it has turned out to be the most effective recruiting tool for bringing young people into the movement. People will start listening to this music, typically on the Internet. When they’re 16 or 17 years old the music they listen to it hundreds and hundreds of times and essentially, the message kind of seeps into their brain. At that point, at least some percentage of those kids walk out of their parents’ houses and walk into a real skinhead concert, and that is typically where we see real recruitment happen.

AMY GOODMAN: How do you find out, Mark, that someone is buying products from say the National Alliance? And what does it mean to say that you track these groups? I mean do you work with law-enforcement?

MARK POTOK: We don’t work with law enforcement in the sense of exchanging a great deal of information. We do train law enforcement officials, maybe 6 or 7, 8 thousand people a year in domestic terrorism. We give presentations in very particular things. For instance, we might go to the Utah gang investigators group and give a presentation about the groups in Utah. That kind of thing. What it means that we track these groups is that we essentially do a whole lot open-source kind of data collection. So, that ranges from the very simple — collecting newspaper articles, that sort of thing, monitoring the Internet — to the somewhat more complicated — getting into email groups, sometimes private groups, listening to short-wave radio broadcasts. And of course we act like any investigative newspaper would in the sense that very typically, the leader of a group will start sleeping with someone other than his girlfriend and the next thing you know, the girlfriend angrily is coming to us with all kinds of information. So there are a whole lot of different kinds of streams that we bring together as we monitor these groups. Sometimes we will even come across business records or perhaps they will be provided to us by someone leaving the movement.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about what is Label 56? They issued a statement saying, "We have worked hard over the years to promote a positive image, and have posted many articles encouraging people to take a positive path in life."

MARK POTOK: Let me say, briefly, that is utter hogwash. It is a straight ahead Neo-Nazi website.. They did put up that statement. They did, yesterday take down pages, materials, the interview with Page that we found very early yesterday. But the fact is the website is still thick with white supremacist material. Label 56, we believe the 56 stands for e-f, the 5th and 6th letters of the alphabet. E-f, we have determined stands for eastern front, and the idea essentially, was that the racist skinhead movement needed to move more heavily into the eastern part of the United States. It had been quite heavily concentrated in the Midwest and the West Coast. So, beyond that I can’t really say. It is a relatively small label, certainly compared to groups like Resistance Records.

AMY GOODMAN: They issued also a statement, Label 56, End Apathy’s label, that said, "Please don’t take what Wade did as honorable or respectable and please do not think we are all like that." What do you think needs to be done, Mark? You have been following white supremacist hate groups for decades. One person from one of these groups was interviewed, and interestingly said that he was looking for Page and started to look up articles — this was before the massacre — because he thought this is where he could be going. Interestingly, the guy who was interviewed was horrified by this, though he was a part of these groups.

MARK POTOK: Well, I have got to say, certainly, we saw nothing that particularly distinguished page from thousands of other people who live in the same world that he did. I don’t really find any fault with law enforcement. I just don’t see how this could have been predicted in any real sense by law enforcement officials. I suppose it is different if you were close to the guy and really talked to him on a regular basis. All that said, what the reporter who is on with us said, I think is very important. The idea that he was in the military and specifically at Fort Bragg at a time when there was a real scandal about Neo-Nazis in Fort Bragg playing this music, openly indoctrinating other soldiers. There was a black couple — a man and a woman — who were murdered right outside of Fort Bragg by Neo-Nazi skinheads who in fact were in the military. So, we’ve spent a lot of time over the last three or four years doing investigative work and then lobbying the Pentagon to essentially impose a zero tolerance rule on extremists in the military. What was going on a few years ago in 2006, specifically, when we wrote a very big investigative piece was they were allowing the recruiting of these people; not as policy, but as factual matter. Simply because they were having real difficulties meeting quotas, recruitment quotas for Afghanistan and Iraq. The Bush administration and then the Obama administration very much resisted taking this change initially, but finally, in response to our stories and lobbying and letters to the Department of Homeland Security and so on, in fact the Pentagon did change the rules and impose a zero tolerance policy in late 2009. So, the hope is that at least this guy would have been found and probably kicked out of the military earlier. I’m not sure that would have prevented anything in terms of this attack, but I think it is important to try to keep these people out of our military as well.

AMY GOODMAN: Page has a 14-word tattoo, "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." I want to turn to a clip from a short documentary "White Power USA" which was made by independent film makers Rick Rowley and Jacquie Soohen of Big Noise Films that aired on Al Jazeera English. This clip features white supremacist musicians.

MUSICIAN: We already have a president who is out to destroy us and what we stand for. I did not elect a Communist to run this country. This next one is called "Soon it Will be Time," and if we do not take care of it, then we will lose our right to be.

NARRATOR: In this shed in the middle of the Arizona desert, The White Knights of America are hosting a festival of white supremacist skinhead culture. Here and across the country, white power groups say they are energizing and growing. For them, Obama’s election and the economic meltdown are wake-up calls for white America, and catalysts for the coming race war. They say white pride is their only defense in an insecure a changing world.

CHARLES GILBERT DEMAR: America is in crisis. I’m petrified whether I’m working the next day or not. This is all we got. This is the last thing we got to stand on, man.

NARRATOR: Charles is the lead singer of one for Storm Troop 16, one of the most popular bands in the Aryan skinhead circuit. He says they give voice to a silent majority that is afraid to say what it really feels about race.

CHARLES GILBERT DEMAR: This county and this entire world is full of closet racists who lack the courage to even proud to be white because they are sheep and they are being led to the slaughter, man.

AMY GOODMAN: That is a clip from "White Power USA;" Jacquie Soohen and Rick Rowley’s film. Mark Potok, you could comment on that, but also, what has happened since President Obama came into office? Have these white power groups proliferated? Have they become more powerful? Have they been making more threats?

MARK POTOK: What has happened is an absolutely explosive growth of groups on the radical right in general. As a matter of fact, we have never seen this kind of growth. The white supremacist groups have grown — them not so spectacularly — but, other kinds of groups, what we used to call militias in the 1990’s, have grown at an absolutely unbelievable pace from 149 of these groups in 2008 to 1,274 last year, or last count. As the voice-over in the documentary you just played suggested, the reasons really are the changing the racial demographics of this country as represented in the person of Barack Obama, and of course the economy. These people all realize that the Census Bureau has predicted that white people in the United States will lose their majority by about the Year 2050, they’ll fall under 50% of the population, and they are essentially having meltdowns. They’re at the end of their rope. The world, they feel, is closing in around them, and the way they talk about the situation right now is a genocide is being carried out against white people in this country, and in general, in the world. Many of the groups talk about whites is the most endangered species on the planet, of all things. So, we see this quite commonly, this sense that they are sinking, this is the last possible moment, the country’s going down, and so on and so forth. So, the bottom line is, we are living in a very scary time, a very scary moment. I have to say, this attack — certainly we knew nothing about the particulars of this attack before it happened — but I do not think it was much of a surprise to many who do the kind of work we do. This is our Anders Breivik. Anders Breivik, of course, being the man who murdered 77 Norwegians last July, July of 2011, because he thought they were enabling Muslim immigration into Norway. So, this looks very similar. Of course, we’ve now see a mosque burn down, and there’s an immense amount of anti-Muslim propaganda in the political mainstream as well as among fringe groups like this. Sad to say, I just don’t think this attack was all that surprising.

Ed Jewett
08-08-2012, 02:55 AM
"Satwant Singh Kaleka, the gurdwara president killed in the firing, was a brother-in-law of Punjab minister Surjit Singh Rakhra..."

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/as-he-fired-they-shut-themselves-in-bathrooms-made-frantic-calls/984680/4

Ed Jewett
08-08-2012, 04:12 PM
Romney's gurudwara slip: Calls it 'sheik temple'Aug 08, 2012 |

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http://www.asianage.com/international/romneys-gurudwara-slip-calls-it-sheik-temple-960


Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney mourned the Wisconsin gurudwara tragedy at a fundraiser in Iowa, but referred to a 'sheik temple' instead of a 'Sikh temple' while offering his condolences.

Confusing the Arabic honorific with the term Sikh, Romney mispronounced it and was found talking about 'sheik' people.
Earlier in the day, the Republican spoke correctly of the Sikh religion when he observed a moment of silence at a campaign event in Illinois. But the slip of tongue came at the West Des Moines fundraiser in Iowa.
"We had a moment of silence in honour of the people who lost their lives at that sheik temple. I noted that it was a tragedy for many, many reasons," he said referring to his discourse in Chicago.
He went on: "Among them are the fact that people, the sheik people, are among the most peaceable and loving individuals you can imagine, as is their faith."

Romney's spokesman, Rick Gorka, when asked about the comments, insisted that the mix-up was a mispronunciation.
"He misspoke," Gorka said. "He mispronounced similar sounding words. He was clearly referring to the tragedy in Wisconsin," he was quoted as saying in a Huffington Post report.
The paper said: "The Republican presidential hopeful used the Arabic term, which typically refers to an elder or religious leader, to discuss Sikhism, a religion that originated in the Punjab region of South Asia".
Romney, who is being supported by two top Indian American politicians -- Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal -- observed a moment of silence at an Illinois event in honour of the people who lost their lives in Wisconsin.
"The tragedy is even more profound because the Sikh religion and the Sikh people are such peaceable, loving individuals," Romney said correctly at this campaign event.
"I think it's also more tragic because the shooter was apparently someone who was motivated by hate, hate based on race, hate based on religion. For all those reasons, this is something which touches us very deeply," said the Republican presidential candidate.

Ed Jewett
08-08-2012, 04:39 PM
^^^ How very interesting that Romney, the king of hostile takeovers, who has been kow-towing to and seeking the financial support and advice of a culture and nation itself given to hostile takeover by internal coup d'etat, war by deception, false flag methodologies, and parallel action and activity, further confuses the terminology of social groupings.

One can Google to see how Mormonism is perceived as connected to Zionism, as this tiny url of a Google search for Mormonism+Zionism+connections will demonstrate [ http://tinyurl.com/cvq4xdr ].

In the news elsewhere:

House Passes Bill Eliminating Senate Approval of Presidential Appointments: "Important positions will be filled faster, government agencies will be more capable of offering valuable services to their constituents, and the overall confirmation process will be more efficient,” said Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.), chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

Dozens of key management positions in the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, Commerce, and Homeland Security (including the treasurer of the United States, the deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, the director of the Office for Domestic Preparedness, and the assistant administrator of FEMA) will now be filled by presidential edict, without the need of the “advice and consent” of the Senate, a phrase specifically removed from the process in the text of the bill.

And here he tells us that the Sikhs [the fifth-largest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups) organized religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion) in the world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism ] are sheiks, further fomenting the racial/spiritual divisions which incite violence, aided and abetted by the COINTELPRO-style infiltration of small groups and ideologies which no sane individual could or would support so as to inflate them and make them a target for further hostile takedown by having them demonized, named, and made the target of governmental and engineered social attitude run by DHS at the urging and behest of an organization developed, funded and staffed by a number of people with heavy Zionist influence and connection.

This comes at a time when the presence of a heayy Chabbad Lubavitch and Mossad concentration/presence/activity has been noted in the Himalayan regions.

Apparently Amritsar was not enough of a blood sacrifice.

Peter Lemkin
08-08-2012, 05:40 PM
A researcher who closely studied Wade Michael Page while researching hate music in Southern California several years ago has provided new details about the shooter’s background. In an interview published on Huffington Post, University of Nebraska at Omaha Criminology Professor Pete Simi said Page had a drinking problem and often struggled to get to work and pay his share of rent and food. He emphasized the importance of music in Page’s life, describing him as an "independent neo-Nazi skinhead who saw his musical involvement as his main form of activism." In an email exchange with the shooter after the 9/11 attacks, Simi said Page appeared "very angry about Muslims and said something to the effect of America needing to go over to the Middle East and bomb ’em all." But Simi said Page’s hate rhetoric was generally targeted toward Jewish people and nonwhites, specifically African Americans. Simi says Page’s military service strongly influenced his neo-Nazi identification in part because he saw whites in the army as victims of reverse discrimination. Page reportedly told Simi: "If you don’t go into the military as a racist, you definitely leave as one."

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The former girlfriend of the gunman who carried out the massacre at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, on Sunday has been detained after an unauthorized gun was allegedly found in her home. Misty Cook, a 31-year-old waitress and nursing student with reported ties to white supremacist groups, worked at a restaurant a block from the temple where her ex-boyfriend Wade Michael Page killed six people. She and Page reportedly broke up earlier this summer. Cook was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of being a felon in possession of a firearm. Photos show her posing with members of the white supremacist group Volksfront and wearing a Volksfront t-shirt. The couple were reportedly both active in an online message forum for white supremacist groups.

Ed Jewett
08-08-2012, 06:16 PM
Sikh Shooter a Former Psyop Soldier Linked to FBI’s National Alliance


Kurt Nimmo
Prisonplanet

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/08/07/sikh-shooter-a-former-psyop-soldier-linked-to-fbis-national-alliance/ (http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/08/07/sikh-shooter-a-former-psyop-soldier-linked-to-fbis-national-alliance/)

"... Since the alleged shooter, Wade Michael Page, is now characterized as a white supremacist, the Southern Poverty Law Center is leading the information campaign to portray him as a racist skinhead. In addition to fronting a “hate rock band,” the Southern Poverty Law Center “has found that Page also attempted to purchase goods from the neo-Nazi National Alliance (http://www.pakalertpress.com/tag/neo-nazi-national-alliance/), then America’s most important hate group,” according to SPLC propaganda minister Mark Potok (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/alleged-sikh-temple-shooter-former-member-of-skinhead-band-1). [embedded video here] The National Alliance (http://www.pakalertpress.com/tag/national-alliance/), like most white supremacist groups, is controlled by the FBI.
In 2007, its supposed leader (http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-47029.html), Green Beret David Kellerman, said he worked for the FBI. During a trial on weapons charges, Kellerman “said he went to work for the FBI with orders to infiltrate theNational Alliance (http://www.pakalertpress.com/tag/national-alliance/), a neo-Nazi group, in 2000 and relay intelligence. The group’s founder wrote a book that is widely believed to have inspired the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing,” the Miami Herald (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806848/posts)reported.Is it possible the SPLC is somehow connected to the latest shooting? In 2005, court papers revealed that the supposed anti-racist organization ran an “informant” (informant and agent provocateur are often interchangeable) at Elohim City prior to the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in 1995.“The potentially explosive contents of the teletype, among other things, exposed for the first time an informant operation being conducted by nationally known civil rights lawyer Morris Dees through his organization the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC),” J. D. Cash (http://www.mccurtain.com/cgi-bin/okcscript.cgi?record=1346) wrote for the McCurtain Daily Gazette in October of 2005.
In some detail the FBI acknowledged the SPLC was engaged in an undercover role where it monitored subjects for the FBI believed to be linked to executed bomber Timothy McVeigh, the white supremacist compound at Elohim City and the mysterious German national Andreas Carl Strassmeir.

Strassmeir was a German intelligence officer and the leader of the Aryan Republican Army at Elohim City, Robert Millar, worked closely with the FBI. “Founder Millar repeatedly shared information with law enforcement (http://www.pakalertpress.com/tag/law-enforcement/) officials. During a June 31, 1997 court proceeding, FBI Senior Agent Peter Rickel testified Millar was in regular contact with the agency in the years before the bombing,” writes Jim Redden (http://www.apfn.org/OKC/doc.htm) in his book, Snitch Culture.As we noted in the case of the 1st SS Kavallerie Brigade Motorcycle Division bust in July, the FBI controls the virtually all white supremacist groups.It came out during the trail of reputed racist Hal Turner that he was a “National Security Intelligence” asset (http://www.infowars.com/hal-turner-is-a-national-security-intelligence-asset/)working for the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force. His code name was “Valhalla” and “he received thousands of dollars from the FBI to report on such groups as the Aryan Nations and the white supremacist National Alliance, and even a member of the Blue Eyed Devils skinhead punk band,” according to The Record (http://www.northjersey.com/news/Records_show_feds_used_ultra-right_radio_host_for_years.html).The FBI has run racist and white supremacist groups since the 1960s. Under COINTELPRO, the FBI “subsidized, armed, directed and protected the Ku Klux Klan and other right-wing groups,” Brian Glick (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/FBI/COINTELPRO_Revisited.html) writes. Racist groups were used to create a strategy of tension by attacking groups on the so-called left, including anti-war, Chicano and Puerto Rican activists and nationalists.It now appears the government has taken its psyop to the next level. Instead of merely concentrating on small time busts and demonizing “rightwing extremists” for propaganda purposes in a complaint corporate media (http://www.pakalertpress.com/tag/corporate-media/), they have decided to add the racist “white power” angle to the domestic terrorism narrative."

Ed Jewett
08-08-2012, 06:19 PM
FBI Informant Was Paid $40,000 By FBI To Spy On Hate Group American Front Now Deposed By DefenseSubmitted by News Desk 2 on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 17:59
http://www.thefloridanewsjournal.com/sites/thefloridanewsjournal.com/files/imagecache/Article-Page/Mark-McGowan_Jennifer-McGown_arrested-accused-part-of-American-Front-Racist-Group_TFNJ-image44.jpg



Orlando, Fla. -
The Defense attorney for Mark and Jennifer McGowan had a chance to depose an FBI confidential informant today in a case launched by the FBI when they arrested 10 members of a racist group in St Cloud, Florida called American Front and implicated them in a "race war" and terrorist activities.
Sam Edwards, defense attorney for the McGowans, questions the informant who said under oath that as for the McGowans, all they had done was bbq, shoot guns and make negative remarks about minorities. Edwards said of those activities "that is not illegal" and that the FBI was "hyper" vigilant in a world after the events of 9/11.
Edwards noted that the couple were devoted parents and that Jennifer McGowan was a court reporter. "This is still America and what you believe in as far as prejudices, at least for now, is not illegal," Edwards added.
Making the case against the McGowans more questionable are reports out that show the confidential informant was paid $40,000 by the FBI and that he himself has a criminal background.
Edwards went on to say that his clients are not terrorist and that they have their own belief system, which is not illegal and that his clients never participated in any acts or planning that the racist group called American Front is accused of.
The FBI has previously said the group planning to blow up Orlando City Hall, and other government buildings around Central Florida.
http://www.thefloridanewsjournal.com/sites/thefloridanewsjournal.com/files/imagecache/galleria_zoom/American-Front-White-Supremacist-Group-Arrested-Orlando-1_0-TFJN-image43.jpg (http://www.thefloridanewsjournal.com/2012/07/31/fbi-informant-was-paid-40000-fbi-spy-hate-group-american-front-now-deposed-defense#)
Image from TFNJ's previous article about the arrests in May 2012

http://www.thefloridanewsjournal.com/2012/07/31/fbi-informant-was-paid-40000-fbi-spy-hate-group-american-front-now-deposed-defense

Jan Klimkowski
08-08-2012, 07:06 PM
So, the Fort Bliss psyops graduate gravitates towards the white supremacist and "hate rock" scene.

Is this American History X?

Or Carol Howe all over again?

“Hammerskins Forever, Forever Hammerskins.”

Or:

"Agent Provocateurs, Elohim City Redux."

Redux wins.

Ed Jewett
08-09-2012, 01:22 AM
August 7-8, 2012 -- Psy-war veteran Wade Page and CNN


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August 7-8, 2012 -- Psy-war veteran Wade Page and CNN

The dead suspected gunman who opened fire inside a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin served from April 1992 to October 1998 as a member of the psychological operations unit at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

CNN cited a "Pentagon source" claiming Page was discharged from the Army in 1998 for "patterns of misconduct." However, the U.S. Army only revealed that Page was awarded several medals, including including good conduct medals and a humanitarian service medal.

CNN cannot be trusted to report on the activities of any military member who served with the Fort Bragg psyop command during the time frame 1992 to 1998 because a number of Fort Bragg psyop personnel, assigned to what was then known as the 4th Psychological Operations Group, worked as interns at CNN headquarters in Atlanta during this time period. CNN attempted, unsuccessfully, to cover up its relationship with the Army command responsible for disseminating propaganda and disinformation. The Army psyop interns were attached to the Third Psychological Operations Battalion, part of the 4th Psychological Operations Group.

This editor first broke the CNN-Fort Bragg psyop link on February 17, 2000, in the Paris-basedIntelligence Online, for which I served as U.S. correspondent. At a Special Operations/Low Intensity Conflict (SOLIC) symposium in Arlington, Virginia, the 4th Psyop Group's Col. Christoper St. John admitted that his unit's personnel worked at CNN in Atlanta. St. John said Fort Bragg psyop personnel assisted CNN in producing news stories that were aired by the network. He also called for similar cooperation between the Pentagon and other major news operations.

It was clear that the CNN-Fort Bragg relationship had reached its crescendo during U.S. military operations in the Balkans, the same time period that Page was assigned to the Fort Bragg psyop unit. An Army spokesman later stated, "Conceivably, they [the psyop interns] would have worked on stories during the Kosovo war. They helped in the production of news.”

Eason Jordan, CNN's president for international news, angrily reacted to the news that Army psyop personnel were working inside CNN but he later admitted to the presence of at least five in the radio, television, and satellite divisions of the network.

TV Guide later reported that Fort Bragg psyop interns were also working at National Public Radio in Washington, DC.

The Fort Bragg psyop unit worked closely with the International Military Information Group set up by the Pentagon at the State Department. IMIG worked with the Voice of America on propaganda dissemination known as " influence operations." The State Department group, with support from the CIA, specialized in planting fake stories and videos in foreign news operations. However, considering the psyop links to CNN and NPR, such fraudulent stories and videos may have made their way into domestic U.S. reporting, as well.

Fort Bragg's 4th PSYOPS Group's multi-million dollar Special Operations Forces Media Operations Complex was called "CNN Central" by its operatives who broadcast and printed propaganda for a number of audiences abroad. In a deal with DC Comics, Fort Bragg's "CNN Central" published propaganda comic books featuring such superheros as Superman, Wonder Woman, and the character that appears to have set off suspected Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooter and U.S. government neuroscience research grantee James Holmes, Batman.

CNN appears very anxious to trash Page's Army psyop background with unsubstantiated claims of his being drunk on duty and absent without leave, eventually resulting in a general discharge from the military, none of which has been confirmed by official U.S. Army statements. CNN may be more worried about it being discovered that Page may have once worked at CNN headquarters in Atlanta altering news reports from Kosovo to fit Pentagon propaganda requirements. CNN would find it much safer to cozy up to its friends at the Southern Poverty Law Center and keep the focus on Page's neo-Nazi activities.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20120807

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In the related thread, a subscriber adds:



There is another connection between Fort Bragg and CNN in the Balkans war going back to those days and her name is Christiane Amanpour. She was the absolute reigning queen of CNN spin in the controlled falsified news coverage of the Balkans war and she was on top of every CIA operation riding shotgun with them and beaming her spin across TV sets globally and she closed the deal of global public approval for the first of what would become a series of R2P wars (it was not yet christened as R2P in the Balkans but Yugoslavia was the pilot project from which R2P was developed into a UN policy later). Amanpour is a top tier HUGE zio asset. Her husband James Rubin was a spokesman for US State Dept at the time and he was their propagandist-in-chief selling the Balkans war to the US government from that end while Amanpour did the field work in the Balkans. Amanpour at one point even complained that Bush was too timid in handling the Balkans, she wanted more R2P action faster....those neolibs will make your head spin...She comprised a good 90% of total Balkans war coverage and spin for them. There was a direct connection between assets like Amanpour and the mil intel angle in those days.

Ed Jewett
08-09-2012, 02:27 AM
Sikh Temple Massacre: CNN Cites David Gletty, the SPLC, and the ADL in ONE Article (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/sikh-temple-massacre-cnn-cites-david-gletty-the-splc-and-the-adl-in-one-article/)Posted on August 7, 2012 by willyloman

by Scott Creighton
UPDATE: In an interview, David Gletty admits to watching “young girls” get raped (gang raped?), people being murdered, and taking illicit drugs while doing nothing to stop any of it while he was working as an informant for the FBI. He claims he allowed all of this to take place because his “mission” would have been jeopardized had he whipped out his gun and done something to stop it. Then he remarkably states that they only moved on the gang once they were talking about taking down drug dealers in the area. He claimed the FBI told him “OK, before any public gets hurt, let’s go ahead and throw down on them (http://mycampustalk.com/ct-celebrity-interview-david-gletty/).”
Really? What about the raped “young girls” and other murdered people? Are they not the public?
He then goes on to admit that he was living with his mother during his entire stint as an FBI informant infiltrating the Nazis. His mother?
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Talk about propaganda…
CNN has a new article in which they make the claim that there are more than a thousand hate groups (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/07/us/white-supremacist-groups/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) active in the United States which have the potential to conduct the next Sikh temple massacre. In order to prove this, CNN relies on three main sources:

a guy who was a fake skin-head turned “investigator” for the FBI- David Gletty
a “not-for-profit” organization run by one of the most racist hatemongers in America (and whose funding depends on there being a large group of racist hatemongers in America) – SPLC
and an organization that has been determined to be pursuing “Nazi gun control laws in America (http://jpfo.org/images02/handbill-adl.jpg)” by the gun rights group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_the_Preservation_of_Firearms_Ownership) (JPFO) – ADL
Let’s just overlook for a moment the obvious financial conflicts of interest organizations like the ADL and the SPLC have in any discussion on this subject, and for that matter the “investigator” who also stands to increase his revenue stream as well.
And let’s also forget the SPLC’s last “victory” against “racist hate groups”, the Hutaree 9 militia group. Remember what happened to them? They got set up and entrapped by the JTTF and the FBI. Holder came out saying of the case against them it was…

”an insidious plan by anti-government extremists.” … and we have dealt “a severe blow to a dangerous organization that today stands accused of conspiring to levy war against the United States“ Eric Holder on the Hutaree militia (http://my.firedoglake.com/willyloman/tag/fear-factory/)
Guess what? Turns out after a year in custody, these guys were let off… the entire case thrown out of court because the judge thought it was bullshit, that they hadn’t planned to attack anyone, let alone police officers…

“Members of a Christian militia accused of plotting an antigovernment uprising were acquitted on sedition and conspiracy charges on Tuesday by a federal judge who said prosecutors had failed to prove that the group had concrete plans to attack anyone.” New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/us/hutaree-militia-members-acquitted-of-sedition.html)
Key to this frame up job was yet another FBI “informant” whose testimony about what they supposedly said, appears to have just pure fabrication. That lying undercover informant’s name was Thomas Piatek (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/thoms-piatekthe-fbis-informant-in-the-hutaree-9-case/).
Fast forward to CNN’s article on the “1000″ active hate groups in America….

“I know they’re out there. I try not to alarm the public too much, but it’s something that really needs to be taken a hold of now because more and more we see facts coming out that this is happening more often and more often, and it’s not going to stop anytime soon,” said David Gletty, who worked as an undercover informant on extremist groups for the FBI. CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/07/us/white-supremacist-groups/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
David Gletty is a self-described FBI snitch who infiltrated a scraggly band of neo-Nazis in Orlando a while ago. He helped organize a march or two and ranted and lied about various things he did in his past. Watch this video which shows Gletty in his “prime” back then and tell me if you believe a word he said. Watching the other “speakers” one wonders if the ENTIRE group wasn’t FBI informants sitting around an echo-chamber like the fake “truthers” do at various fake truth movement websites (yes, that is you Jon Gold).

“As I was coming out of the store paying for gas, two niggers tried robbing me with broken bottles, they couldn’t afford knives or whatever…” David Gletty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJOooO7zkO4)
What Gletty was most famous for was setting up marches in and around predominantly black neighborhoods in order to foster racial tensions where previously there had been next to none. Look at these photos. The first you can see Gletty walking behind the guys on the left who are holding a Nazi flag. In the second, you can see Gletty preparing a group of “nazis” for another march. Notice something about the men in the second photo? Do they ALL look like they are fresh out of the military on their first psyop assignment?
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/gletty-rally.jpg?w=231&h=300 (http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/gletty-rally.jpg)
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/gletty-rally-2.jpg?w=300&h=174 (http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/gletty-rally-2.jpg)
It’s interesting and not unsurprising to note (http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/150207_neo_nazi_fbi.html) that local politicians railed against the notion that the feds would come in and put on this “Nazi march” show in their communities especially when you consider the majority of the “nazi” participants seemed to be on the government payroll.
Of course, the ADL took a different view of it…


Others applauded the FBI’s infiltration of the neo-Nazis.“It’s one of the largest extremist groups in the country, and Gletty was one of the most visible individuals in the National Socialist Movement,” said Andy Rosenkranz, state regional director for the Anti-Defamation League. “Generally, the FBI and the JTTF (Joint Terrorism Task Force) in Florida does an excellent job.” Jones Report (http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/150207_neo_nazi_fbi.html)
Gletty was proud of his “work” infiltrating the groups back then, he says. But soon enough his acting skills left him exposed and he had to quit pretending to be racist and staging fake marches in order to create the illusion of a growing menace to society.He then took on a different role, that of roving FBI “investigator” of various militia groups in the rural areas of America. Below is a video of David Gletty proudly boasting of all his good work running around and getting videos of American citizens out in the woods camping or hiking or just hanging out on their porches.He claims they are all dangerous militia groups plotting to overthrow the government. Personally I just see some hikers and friends hanging out in nature. I guess you see what you want to see, huh David?Gletty talks about how he broke into some of their vehicles while they were camping and how he bugged them and reported their license plates so they could be traced later by the feds.Then in a remarkable statement of total hypocrisy, he chastised the racists for wishing to violate people’s civil liberties in America as if what he was doing wasn’t just that.
You really have to see this idiot’s video to believe it. It reminds me of what was happening in Afghanistan when the Bush regime put out a bounty on Taliban supporters and everyone and their mother were snatching people off the street and selling them to the Americans for cash. Because that is what Gletty was doing: creating boogeymen where there were none for financial gain.

“If you think the work that I did was distasteful, then you are not a true American and I call you out…. what have you done for America except bitch. If all you are doing is bitch, then you are not causing anything great to happen” David Gletty

embedded video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkBPY6vYiMs&feature=player_embedded

David Gletty would be laughable if he wasn’t so completely sociopathic and featured on CNN. The guy is a treasure trove of misplaced hostility and inferiority complexes. And he’s armed and apparently has friends in high places like the FBI, the JTTF, the SPLC, the ADL, and of course the MSM.
In that video, this guy, featured in a CNN article as an “expert”, admits to breaking into people’s vehicles without a warrant, just to “see what they have in there”
That’s against the law folks. That’s called breaking and entering.
He then claims a group of three guys who are obviously just campers, are militia suspects and he is going to “question them without them knowing it” I guess that means he’s going to use his super sleuth powers of infiltration to get them to talk. Well, apparently that failed pretty quickly because he claims they “got suspicious” so he reported them to the local police for not buying into his bullshit racist rant. He claims that the cops, because of what he reports to them, will “pick them up from there. We did out part”
He then finds some kids out in the woods and of course, they’re what he called “tree huggers” or “eco-terrorists”. He called them in too I suppose…
And you wonder how the terrorist watch list in America got so long? I wonder if he gets paid by the day or by the snitch he simply makes up out of thin air.
Are you fucking kidding me?
And remember, this is the guy supported by the ADL and featured in a CNN article about what happened at the Sikh Temple.
You gotta watch the video. His “training” exercise at the end of the video is one of the funniest things I have seen in a while.
I guess there’s a lot of money to be made in setting up and demonizing U.S. citizens these days.
So there you have it: CNN citing a group that fucked up horribly on the Hutaree militia frame-up, a group that supports Nazi disarmament legislature, and a guy who staged fake neo-Nazi rallies in black communities to cause racial tension in Florida and who regularly commits serious felonies in order to justify his government paycheck.
That’s “news” in this day and age.

Peter Lemkin
08-09-2012, 04:35 AM
From the post above:
David Gletty admits to watching “young girls” get raped (gang raped?), people being murdered, and taking illicit drugs while doing nothing to stop any of it while he was working as an informant for the FBI. He claims he allowed all of this to take place because his “mission” would have been jeopardized had he whipped out his gun and done something to stop it. I'm SOOOO glad the FBI is always there protecting the Public from something....:hitler:

Peter Lemkin
08-09-2012, 05:55 PM
AMY GOODMAN: While many people were shocked by Sunday’s massacre at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin, our next guest warned years ago about the resurgence of right-wing violence. Daryl Johnson, former analyst for the Department of Homeland Security, called attention to the threat of far right extremist groups back in 2009 and sparked a political firestorm in the process. He was the principal author of a report called, “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.” The report noted that the election of the first African-American president, combined with recession-year economic anxieties, could fuel a rise in far-right violence. It went on to say right wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities. Johnson drew his conclusion on his 15 years of experience studying domestic terrorist groups — particularly white supremacists and Neo-Nazis. The report set off a maelstrom of discontent among conservatives. The media watch group, Media Matters, produced a video featuring the numerous TV personalities who slammed the report, including CNN’s Lou Dobbs, conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh, Fox New’s Sean Hannity, Fox News national political commentator Andrea Tantaros and Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin. This is a clip:

COMMENTATOR: A new report from Homeland Security suggests the bad economy may drive people to right-wing extremist groups.

COMMENTATOR: Right-wing extremists groups, Neo-Nazis, skinheads, The National Alliance, racist groups, anti-Semitic groups.

COMMENTATOR: Gathering information on right-wing extremist activity in the United States. Does that mean they are going to be sending spies to these Tea Parties?

COMMENTATOR: There are no Timothy McVeighs out there right now.

MICHELE MALKIN: If they are going to issue these reports for this made-up threat.

RUSH LIMBAUGH: Portraying standard, ordinary, everyday conservatives as posing a bigger threat to this country than Al Qaeda terrorists, naming veteran’s groups as possible extremist groups.

AMY GOODMAN: Under intense pressure from the talk show hosts and from Republican lawmakers, the Department of Homeland Security ultimately repudiated Daryl Johnson’s paper and in June 2009, the Washington Post reported the DHS cut the number of personnel studying domestic terrorism unrelated to Islam and canceled numerous state and local law enforcement briefings. The DHS reportedly also held up dissemination of nearly a dozen reports on extremist groups. For more, we go to Washington, DC, where we are joined by Daryl Johnson, the former Department of Homeland Security Senior Analyst who has written the book, “Right Wing Resurgence: How a Domestic Terrorist Threat is Being Ignored.” It will be published next month. Now owns and founded DT Analytics, a privacy consultancy firm.

DARYL JOHNSON: Daryl Johnson, welcome to Democracy Now! So tell us what happened, what you were finding, what this report was and what happened to it.

DARYL JOHNSON: Well, thank you, Amy, for having me on your show. Basically, the genesis of the report started as early as January 2007 when I received a phone call from the U.S. Capitol Police saying that a young senator from Illinois, who is African-American, was considering running for president. They basically wanted to know if we had seen any extremist chatter that was threatening in nature towards Barack Obama. We did a quick search of the internet sites. We did not find any threats, and so we pretty much closed that request out. But, in the ensuing months, I sat down with my analysts and we postulated, “What if an African-American senator got elected to be president. What would that do to extremism here in the United States?” So, we basically put this question out, we brainstormed it, and came to the conclusion that it would be a recruitment boon for these groups. Coupled with the ailing economy that we are experiencing, a lot of people on unemployment would basically be ripe for recruitment by these types of groups.

AMY GOODMAN: And you were working in the Department of Homeland Security under, at the time, under President Bush. Is that right?

DARYL JOHNSON: Yes, I arrived there in August of 2004.

AMY GOODMAN: And so you write up this report and talk about your key findings were and then the response to it.

DARYL JOHNSON: Well, basically we put together over a period of over a year, collected a massive amount of data that actually filled an entire box of open source information we had gathered off the internet, law enforcement information, FBI information that had come in; and we started drafting a report and right around the time Janet Napolitano was sworn in as the new Secretary of Homeland Security we started receiving questions from Secretary Napolitano and she wanted to know what was an extremist, what are they doing, what groups were out there that we were concerned about. We answered those questions and then she came back with more questions. She wanted to know if we were seeing a rise in right wing extremism and whether it was a result of the election of an African-American president and what we are going to do about it. And so, basically, through this questioning period we decided that, not only was the paper that was originally designed to be sent to law enforcement, could also serve as an answer to the secretary’s questions.

AMY GOODMAN: What were the critical findings?

DARYL JOHNSON: Basically, that we were seeing a resurgence. We had experienced very early on, right after the election, we saw arson activity at black churches, we had a bombing out in the Pacific northwest where some police officers were killed that were carried out by anti-government extremists. We had a neo-Nazi up in Massachusetts that went on a shooting spree, and we saw a lot of extremist chatter talking about how they were fearful of an African-American president and possible gun confiscations, gun bans and the immigration issue was still being unresolved. So all these things kind of came together into the perfect storm which we saw very clearly and put out very clearly what our findings were.

AMY GOODMAN: What do you find about white supremacy in the military?

DARYL JOHNSON: Well, it’s interesting that you ask that question. I actually was a counter terrorism analyst in the US Army from 1991 to 1999, so I was in working for the Army as a counter terrorism analyst at the time that this gentleman up in Wisconsin was enlisted. I actually have an entire chapter in my book devoted on my observations on extremism activity in the military, but just basically, briefly, the one thing that I found is that this is a very small percentage; but since we have such a large military, that small percentage could actually equal hundreds if not a few thousand people. It only takes one person like Timothy McVeigh, with the skills that he learned in the military and the mindset and training he received, to carry out a massive bombing or to kill people.

AMY GOODMAN: And explain for people who don’t remember, I’m sure everyone knows the reference to April 19, 1995, and the bombing of the Oklahoma City building that killed more than 168 people and critically wounded and wounded hundreds of others, what McVeigh’s ties were to white supremacy, having also just come out of the military.

DARYL JOHNSON: I don’t know if Timothy McVeigh necessarily had white supremacist beliefs, but he definitely had anti-government beliefs and what I think the FBI’s investigation determined was that he affiliated with the militia extremists up in Michigan and other places. He went around the country talking to these individuals, but he was never a full fledged member, never joined a militia extremist group and never really participated in their paramilitary training activities. But he subscribed to their belief system.

AMY GOODMAN: Back in 2009 a handful of Republicans in the House called for Janet Napolitano to step down as head of the Department of Homeland Security in the wake of your memo that warned of right-wing political extremism in the United States. House Majority Leader, John Boehner, said the report focused on “[A]bout two-thirds of Americans who might go to church, who may have served in the military, who may be involved in community activities... I just don’t understand how our government can look at the American people and say, 'You’re all potential terrorist threats.'” Those were Boehner’s comments. Daryl Johnson, your response.

DARYL JOHNSON: That is a gross misrepresentation of what was said in the report. Basically, I think what Boehner is alluding to is a very broad, vague definition that was in the footnote of one of the pages. Basically, the definition was written very broadly so it could encompass the wide range of extremist groups we were talking about which were primarily the white supremacist movement which has neo-Nazi groups, Ku Klux Klan groups, Christian Identity groups which is a racist religion that thinks whites are the true Israelites. We have skinhead groups. We have other types of white supremacists. It also was alluding to sovereign citizens, those that reject federal and state authority in favor of local authority. It was also talking about the militia extremists. So, basically, some of the conservative radio talk show hosts took this definition out of context, and without the scope of talking about violent extremism and terrorism which was stated upfront in the scope note, and took this definition out of context and applied it to a broad range of people. I think it was done deliberately as a political maneuver to use against the new administration.

AMY GOODMAN: How did your report get picked up? How did it get disseminated in the media? What was the trajectory it took?

DARYL JOHNSON: Well, basically an anonymous person sent the report out. Obviously they didn’t agree with its findings, and sent it out to Roger Hedgecock out in southern California who is kind of a conservative radio shock jock who really banters the immigration issue a lot. He is credited with disclosing publicly this report which was not meant for public distribution.

AMY GOODMAN: And so what happened to you, Daryl Johnson, and your unit within the Department of Homeland Security that was looking at domestic terror threats and particularly at white supremacy and neo-Nazi groups?

DARYL JOHNSON: What happened was quite shocking actually. I never anticipated that the Department of Homeland Security, my employer, would actually clamp down on the unit and stop all of the valuable work we were doing. Leading up to this report, and I will talk about this at length in my book, my team was doing a lot of good things throughout the country. We received numerous accolades from law enforcement, intelligence officials, talking about the great work we were doing in the fight against domestic terrorism. Then in lieu of the political backlash, the department decided to not only stop all of our work, stop all of the training and briefings that we were scheduled to give; but they also disbanded the unit, reassigned us to other areas within the office and then made life increasingly difficult for us. Not only did they stop the work that we were doing, but they also tried to blame us for some of the attacks that were occurring.

AMY GOODMAN: And so you lost your job.

DARYL JOHNSON: I didn’t lose my job. They just made it a very difficult environment for me to continue working there so I, on my own recognizance, sought employment elsewhere and started my own consulting company.

AMY GOODMAN: I’m looking at a quick piece from Wired which says, “Since Johnson released his ill-fated report, the Witchita, Kansas, abortion doctor, George Teller, was assinated. A security guard was killed when a gunman with neo-Nazi ties went on a shooting spree at the U.S. Holocaust Museum, the FBI arrested members of a Florida neo-Nazi outfit tied to drug dealing and motorcycle gangs, a man was charged with attempting to detonate a weapon of mass destruction at a Spokane, Washington, march commemorating Dr. Martin Luther King’s birthday and several mosques around the country have been vandalized or attacked, including a Missouri mosque that burned to the ground on Monday, which had been attacked before. Were you surprised by the attack on the Sikh temple and all that has taken place since?

DARYL JOHNSON: Unfortunately, Amy, I was not shocked. In fact, I was sitting in my living room with my wife and immediately when I saw the news coverage, I turned to her and said that this was likely a hate motivated crime against Sikhs perpetrated by a white supremacist who may have had military background.

AMY GOODMAN: It is interesting also that President Obama spoke yesterday in Denver with Sandra Fluke who introduced him, the Georgetown University law student who was speaking out for contraception and was targeted by Rush Limbaugh and others, and was talking about women’s health and women’s rights in this country. The neo-Nazi movement, along with the anti-choice movement, do you see links? I’m talking about the extremist wing.

DARYL JOHNSON: There’s definitely links between white supremacists and the anti-abortion issue. That is one of the causes that they rally around and use as a recruitment tool to bring people into the movement. I wouldn’t necessarily say it is strictly neo-Nazi. It could be, also, the Christian Identity Movement, it could be skinheads, it could the Ku Klux Klan.
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AMY GOODMAN: We are talking about the killings of the Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Our guest is Pete Simi. He is a University of Nebraska at Omaha criminology professor, co-author with Robert Futrell of the book, "American Swastika: Inside the White Power Movement’s Hidden Spaces of [Hate]," Joining us from Omaha, Nebraska. We’re also joined by journalist Matt Kennard, author of the forthcoming book, "Irregular Army: How the U.S. Military Recruited neo-Nazis, Gang Members, and Criminals to Fight the War on Terror." Matt is joining us from Mexico City. Matt, you have been following white supremacists in the military for some time. Can you talk about the reaction to the killings in Wisconsin, and the more you hear about the profile of Wade Michael Page?

MATT KENNARD: Well, the interesting thing about Page is, you quoted that "Stars and Stripes" article which said he was completely open about his white supremacist and neo-Nazi inclinations in the 1990’s. It’s important to remember that during the 1990s, this was a period after the Burmeister trauma which you mentioned, and also the bombings in Oklahoma which were carried out by Timothy McVeigh, another veteran of the First Gulf War, who was decorated with a bronze star as well. So, military in the mid-1990s was embarrassed by the fact these first the active-duty veteran had committed murder; indiscriminate murder. The narrative is that they were cracking down at this point. Now, Page’s example shows this was not really the case. What is [Unintelligible] is that during the War on Terror, even the thin regulations that did exist were completely jettisoned. I spent two or three years talking to veterans, extremist veterans, much like page, and far right leaders, who basically said that there was an open-door policy during the war on terror. You could enter with swastikas tattooed on you, with S.S. boats, with, basically, — basically the military couldn’t slow down because the had two occupations to populate and not enough soldiers.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to ask you about the military’s regulation of enlisted neo-Nazis and white supremacists. You write about how the Army Command Policy describes the rules for commanders to enforce. It says, "Participations in extremist organizations and activities by Army personnel is inconsistent with the responsibilities of military service." Matt Kennard, can you talk about the Army’s regulations?

MATT KENNARD: Well, the Army’s regulations, and in fact the military — the whole military, every branch — has been ambiguous on purpose, so that at times of chronic troop needs, like the War on Terror, they can basically allow these people to stay in. The regulations are basically reactive. The U.S. military, after a tragedy like in Oak Creek or the Burmeister case, they are embarrassed by the media reaction and the public who basically ask, why is our taxpayers paying to arm and train these right-wing extremists? So, the Army is on the back foot, and then they say, we have tightened the regulation. But, in reality, there is nothing proactive about it. Even the regulations that are in place, which obviously are thin, were basically completely jettisoned during the War on Terror. The quote you used about right-wing extremism being inconsistent with military service — I mean, it was completely consistent with military service during the War on Terror. In fact, I heard from extremist veterans themselves that their command would send them on the hardest missions because, obviously, neo-Nazis, and gang members as well — which was a big problem, which is worth mentioning as well — that they are seen more as war-like.

AMY GOODMAN: Talk more about this. White supremacists in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, and, unfortunately, as we have seen this past weekend, next to a Sikh temple.

MATT KENNARD: Well, that is a good point that hasn’t been raised enough. What did it what did it mean for the occupied populations to have this army that was riven with white supremacists who saw the people they were occupying as subhuman, as well as violent gang members? Gangs is also a massive problem which we don’t hear about as much about, because often the violence committed in the United States is inter-gang violence so it doesn’t affect the public. There have been spates of murders between gangs involving veterans and active duty personnel. But, for the populations in Iraq and Afghanistan, we will never know what kind of atrocities were carried out Wisconsin-style. But, I’m sure they happened. I mean, there’s a few clues as to what these soldiers were doing over there. One neo-Nazi veteran, called Kenneth Eastridge, is now serving a 10-year sentence for his part in a murder in Colorado Springs, and he was serving in Iraq with neo-Nazi S.S. boats tattooed on his arm.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to go to a brief clip of Wade Michael Page’s stepmother, Laura page. She spoke to ABC News about how the military influenced her stepson.

LAURA PAGE: I don’t know if the military was good for him. I don’t know. My heart is broken for the people that were killed and their families. I can’t imagine what would have gone through his mind for him to do something like this.

AMY GOODMAN: That’s Laura Page, the stepmother of Wade Michael Page. Professor Simi, I wanted to bring you back into this discussion as to listen to Matt Kennard. Tattoos — the reports from the Sikhs on the ground in Oak Creek at the temple say he was wearing a 9/11 tattoo. What about his tattoos and what were the messages in them?

PETE SIMI: On his left shoulder he had a tattoo that has the Number 14. That is a very prominent kind of code for what is called The 14 Words, which was penned by the, now deceased, right-wing terrorist by the name of David Lane who was active in the 1980’s — was part of a underground terrorist cell called The Silent Brotherhood. Lane penned this while in prison, The 14 Words, which is something to the effect of, securing the existence of our race and the future for white children. This is widely used throughout the movement. These people have had tattoos with 14, t-shirts with 14, they’ll sign emails with 14. So, this was one of Page’s tattoos. He had a German soldier tattoo on one of his calves and a Celtic cross, which is also a prominent symbol used by white supremacists as a tattoo as well as an insignia on other things; t-shirts and so forth. The more recent photos that I have seen of him, he was more heavily tattooed than during the years that I knew him. He was starting to get tattooed and he had several during the that years I knew him. But, this is a very common thing that, as a person develops a so-called resume in the movement, they mark their body with this. It’s a way of showing their commitment. So, they tend to get more and more tattoos the longer your involved in these types of groups, to the point where some individuals are actually, what’s called, sleeved, which is they have tattoos all the way down to their wrists. And in some, little bit more unusual cases, people will even get tattoos all over their faces, all over their heads as a way to show how committed they are to the white supremacy movement.

AMY GOODMAN: The man you’re talking about, the neo-Nazi who wrote the 14 words, David Lane, together with Bruce Pierce, were convicted for their involvement in the killing of the Jewish talk show host Alan Berg.

PETE SIMI: Correct. That is a good example of the type of terrorism that has occurred among the white supremacy movement. All too often, when we think about terrorism, we don’t necessarily associate it with right-wing extremists, especially since 9/11. Unfortunately, terrorism has almost become synonymous with violent, radical jihadis, and too often people ignored the incidents of terrorism that have occurred at the hands of white supremacists.

AMY GOODMAN: Matt Kennard, as you listen to Professor Simi who knew Page, the shooter, who then killed himself, according to authorities, on Sunday — now, by the way, there is concern that the police officer who shot Page, though apparently didn’t kill him, will be targeted by white supremacist groups, and there’s questions, will he have to move out of town. His house is begin protected by police. But, Matt Kennard, as you listen to this and also listen to his stepmother talking about her concern about his time in the military, and also the fact that he was in, though not clear doing what, in Psy-Ops, in Psychological Operations at Fort Bragg and before that at Fort Bliss, your thoughts?

MATT KENNARD: I am sorry, I didn’t hear the question.

AMY GOODMAN: The question of Page’s involvement in Psychological Operations, if this is the case; these are the reports, at both Fort Bliss and then at Fort Bragg. And, Matt, is Fort Bragg a center of this white supremacist activity in the military?

MATT KENNARD: Yes, I mean, Fort Bragg was where Burmeister was based, it’s where Page was based.

AMY GOODMAN: And again, Burmeister who killed the black couple in 1995.

MATT KENNARD: I mean, this is across the United States. Every base has its problem with white supremacists because they are allowed to operate freely. It’s the natural reaction to a military brass which is just not concerned about this issue unless they’re presented with a national scandal like the Oak Creek massacre. And, I mean, Page is not alone, this is what must be emphasized. During my investigations, I went down to Tampa, Florida, to interview a neo-Nazi veteran of Iraq, Forrest Fogarty. And his resume reads basically exactly the same as Page. He’s the lead singer of a neo-Nazi rock band, he’s a veteran, he’s also a member of the Hammerskin Nation, which is the most violent skinhead group in the country, much like Page. And what he told me about his experience in Iraq was instructive. He said, basically, the command knew about my radicalism. Of course they knew, they can see my tattoos. Fogarty was also — is also covered in tattoos. So, this is not a problem that’s specific to certain bases, although Fort Bragg has a very serious problem. It’s all over the United States. It was all over Iraq and it was all over Afghanistan.

A point that must be made, too, is gangs is another huge issue, especially at the bases along the border with Mexico, because they’re involved in trafficking drugs, trafficking weapons, etc. And this is an issue, as well, which has got wide coverage. The Southern Poverty Law Center did important work in 2006 on this. Other groups have been doing it, active duty personnel. But, every time this issue has been raised, the U.S. military has targeted the person raising it. So, soldiers who have said, Look, my unit is riven with white supremacists or gang members, the military has demoted them, has kicked them out of the military. I mean I came across countless examples of that. So this is not something that the military missed by accident. This is something that the military has actively ignored and persecuted the people that are raising the issue. In fact, later on, I think you’re going to have Daryl Johnson on who is the DHS analyst who authored the report about the threat of far right-wing extremism. He was targeted by the DHS as soon as that report came out and right-wing politicians for raising the issue.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to ask about the role of music before we go to Daryl Johnson. Very important to hear about the report, not just people in the military, but people in civilian life at the Department of Homeland Security who are prevented from getting this information out. But, I want to go to a clip of the former neo-Nazi Frank Meeink, speaking on Hardball with Chris Matthews, Tuesday, about the importance of music in the neo-Nazi movement.

FRANK MEEINK: Driving in a car with a bunch of skinheads, listening to music about kicking peoples heads in, finding people of other races to destroy, and you’re sitting in a car with a bunch of your friends looking for victims. It really keeps the drum beating; it’s time for action.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: So you think that music drives bad behavior, racist behavior, physically?

FRANK MEEINK: It physically helped us, and, also, the racist music is what keeps the movement young. If it wasn’t for the music that keeps getting people into this, you know, you would have the old image of the Klan sitting on the porch with a shotgun. The music keeps the newcomers involved, it keeps them wanting to be part of this, it keeps them, again, wanting to portray what is going on in the music. The music is I can’t express how much the music is to that movement.

AMY GOODMAN: That’s Frank Meeink, a former neo-Nazi, speaking on Hardball with Chris Matthews. Professor Pete Simi, your response, how important was this music world to Wade Page?

PETE SIMI: At the time I knew him, as I mentioned before, that is why he relocated to Southern California. What he told me was that he met members of the first band that he was in, Young Land, at a music show in, it would have been around the summer of 2000 in Georgia, at one of these white power music events, and they really clicked, and that’s what led him to relocate to Southern California and then ultimately become a member of their band. And what he told me was that changed his life. He said that once I met them, it changed my life. I instantly had a bunch of new bros, meaning, you know, brothers. And so, at the time I had met him, he felt like his involvement in the music scene really gave him a lot of purpose in terms of how he could be involved and how he could contribute to the larger white supremacist movement. And in fact, that’s what the music scene does for a lot of folks. It provides a way for them to be involved in a larger movement, whether it’s as musicians or as people who really enjoy the music and like going to the shows and can tap in to the movement through their involvement in the music scene. It’s a powerful mechanism for, as Frank says, for really keeping the movement going.

AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Professor Simi, could you have seen anything like this, or predicted any kind of violent outburst like this? Were you concerned about this as you spoke to Wade Michael Page? Now they have arrested [his] girlfriend, who it turns out was a waitress in a restaurant, and a coffee shop, what, a block from the Sikh temple where Page gunned down six people, six Sikh worshippers.

PETE SIMI: Well, on one hand, it’s not surprising when somebody involved in these types of groups does something in terms of what happened in Wisconsin, so we shouldn’t really be surprised when somebody who is involved in these types of groups, with these types of beliefs, with the things that are advocated, with the centrality of guns and just violence more broadly, in terms of the role it plays in this movement, based on their beliefs, you know, in terms of just the very fact they believe that the white race is on the verge of extinction, and therefore whites have a right or, in fact, whites really should stand up and defend themselves.

So, that part is not surprising. But, it was, when I realized that it was Page, I was shocked. It’s not something that at the time I was spending with him that I saw him as particularly threatening above and beyond other, you know, members of these types of groups. As a rule of thumb, you would think that members of these types of groups in general pose a certain level of threat. And I didn’t see him as especially threatening, more so than other individuals involved in these types of groups.

Peter Lemkin
08-11-2012, 07:19 AM
While I'll grant that during shooting and the chaos of the moment, the police chief could have gotten it wrong - he said his injured officer 'brought down' the shooter; they now are saying that the shooter shot himself in the head upon seeing the police officer. Its unlikely to be both ways, and the police have not clarified which version is correct and which is not. Just pointing this out.

Ed Jewett
08-12-2012, 04:18 AM
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Dr Steven Greer Tweet 6th August 2012: Sirius filmmaker Arm Kaleka's father shot at Sikh Temple. He is on scene now. Please pray for his family. Dr. Greer
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Lauren Johnson
08-12-2012, 02:12 PM
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Ed, I realize all things are connected and you wish others to grok what you have groked. But this is just posted to provoke others at this forum. Enough said.

Ed Jewett
08-12-2012, 04:54 PM
Support Sirius the Documentary Movie! It's what the unawakened people need to understand whats happening, since Illuminati are trying to confuse peoples minds with disinformation and propaganda. They use Hollywood as a shield !


Ed, I realize all things are connected and you wish others to grok what you have groked. But this is just posted to provoke others at this forum. Enough said.

Lauren, are you tied in with those folks doing the deep scientific and deep black research into mind-reading of intent by remote scan? See quote below from Freeman's "Societies of Brains", as one example, let alone the inferences behind Aurora's shooting.

I am quite certain that I am not the only one here at Deep Politics Forum acting as a provocateur.

If provocation is aimed solely at getting "the other" to think more clearly, or understand how a homo sapiens sapiens actually does think, I plead guilty.

But the posts I make are simply akin to a group of people sitting around a very large globe-wide table trying to solve a gigantic jigsaw puzzle. Some pieces fit; some pieces seem to fit; some pieces are made to fit misleadingly; some pieces don't fit; some pieces are thrown on the floor because they are made by a puzzle-printer distantly involved in the degradation of their great-great-grandfather once removed. As the puzzle seems to come together; seem people see a picture of idyllic pastoral splendor like a Monet scene in the French countryside, and others see something more akin to a rejected attempt by Hieronymous Bosch.


Some researchers propose that brains can be mapped into minds by means of brain images from PET scans, so scientists can make “truth tables” and detect whether people are lying to themselves or to observers, when they when their verbal outputs disagree with their brain images. Neuro-ethicists and neurologists should rethink this lie detector approach.

http://summonthemagic.blogspot.com/2012/08/crossing-solipsistic-gulf.html
(http://summonthemagic.blogspot.com/2012/08/crossing-solipsistic-gulf.html)
See also its follow-up:
http://summonthemagic.blogspot.com/2012/08/solipsistic-gulf-part-two.html

Dawn Meredith
08-12-2012, 05:04 PM
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Ed, I realize all things are connected and you wish others to grok what you have groked. But this is just posted to provoke others at this forum. Enough said.

Lauren, are you tied in with those folks doing the deep scientific and deep black research into mind-reading of intent by remote scan? See quote below from Freeman's "Societies of Brains", as one example, let alone the inferences behind Aurora's shooting.

I am quite certain that I am not the only one here at Deep Politics Forum acting as a provocateur.

If provocation is aimed solely at getting "the other" to think more clearly, or understand how a homo sapiens sapiens actually does think, I plead guilty.

But the posts I make are simply akin to a group of people sitting around a very large globe-wide table trying to solve a gigantic jigsaw puzzle. Some pieces fit; some pieces seem to fit; some pieces are made to fit misleadingly; some pieces don't fit; some pieces are thrown on the floor because they are made by a puzzle-printer distantly involved in the degradation of their great-great-grandfather once removed. As the puzzle seems to come together; seem people see a picture of idyllic pastoral splendor like a Monet scene in the French countryside, and others see something more akin to a rejected attempt by Hieronymous Bosch.


Some researchers propose that brains can be mapped into minds by means of brain images from PET scans, so scientists can make “truth tables” and detect whether people are lying to themselves or to observers, when they when their verbal outputs disagree with their brain images. Neuro-ethicists and neurologists should rethink this lie detector approach.

http://summonthemagic.blogspot.com/2012/08/crossing-solipsistic-gulf.html
(http://summonthemagic.blogspot.com/2012/08/crossing-solipsistic-gulf.html)
See also its follow-up:
http://summonthemagic.blogspot.com/2012/08/solipsistic-gulf-part-two.html



"Acting as a provocateur"?

Ed Jewett
08-13-2012, 07:46 PM
Monday, August 6, 2012Do All These Recent Shooters Have a Common Denominator ?

Why are all these cases connected?


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qcF1agFxLBc/UB_qOxEWoCI/AAAAAAAAAnU/hdp1p-NX9Wo/s1600/Fort+Hood+Shooter.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qcF1agFxLBc/UB_qOxEWoCI/AAAAAAAAAnU/hdp1p-NX9Wo/s1600/Fort+Hood+Shooter.jpg)
From Legitgov.org (http://www.legitgov.org/attack_on_fort_hood_051109.html)



Fort Hood soldier ordered to erase video of shootings (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iH_812d5DGVvE5Tsp6C5W7jkyW5A?docId=CNG.d4436 e9f04d08331279fb14066d6d028.1d1) --In US civilian courts, destruction of evidence can be a crime. 15 Oct 2010 A US soldier who captured a deadly 2009 rampage at Fort Hood with his cell phone camera testified Friday that he was ordered to erase the video by his commanders. The video could have provided key evidence at the trial of Major Nidal Hasan, a US Army psychiatrist who faces 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder. Lead defense attorney John Galligan asked witness Private Lance Aviles if he had taken a video of the shooting with his cell phone and if he deleted the footage at the instruction of his superiors. "Yes, sir," Aviles replied.
Obama administration subpoenaed in Fort Hood probe (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63I6MA20100419) 19 Apr 2010 Two U.S. lawmakers subpoenaed the Obama administration on Monday for information sought in a congressional probe of last year's shooting rampage [false flag] at Fort Hood, Texas, that left 13 soldiers dead and an Army psychiatrist charged with murder. Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Joe Lieberman, an independent [sociopath], and Susan Collins, the panel's top Republican, took the action after the departments of Justice and Defense failed to provide the materials by Monday's deadline.

'Three people are involved. That, by definition, means it is a conspiracy.'

Imam Tied to Fort Hood Shooter "Killed" in Yemen Raid
Army refuses to identify Hasan prosecutors, chases away journalists
Who (actually) shot Maj. Hasan?

WaPo: Hasan did not formally ask to leave military, Army official says --Any formal request... to separate early would have been submitted to the Department of the Army.
NYT: Major Hasan’s behavior in the months and weeks leading up to the shooting bespeaks a troubled man full of contradictions.He lived frugally in a run-down apartment, yet spent more than $1,100 on the pistol the authorities said he used in the shootings.
CNN: Over one hundred shots were fired in the attack. (Logic dictates that 'over one hundred shots' were not fired by a single individual, surrounded by military personnel and special police forces.)
CNN: FBI was investigating Major Nidal Hasan six months ago.
Curiouser and Curiouser: -Video surfaces of alleged shooter, Major Nidal Hasan, attending Homeland Security Task Force conference --Major Hasan's name appears on page 29 of The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute's 'Thinking Anew—Security Priorities for the Next Administration (http://www.gwumc.gwu.edu/hspi/policy/PTTFProceedingsReport.pdf)' --Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force - April 2008 - January 2009. The report is dated 19 May 2009.
Numerous media accounts: Major Hasan's neighbors, medical trainers, colleagues, friends, cousin, uncle, grandfather (http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL7505069)-- even the store owner to where he bought his food -- all heap praise on Major Hasan's temperament. This appears to be psy-ops, six ways to Sunday. --LRP
The alleged shooter received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001 and is a graduate of Virginia Tech (http://www.legitgov.org/virginia_tech_shooting_oddities.html). Early on Thursday, he showed no signs of worry or stress when he stopped at 7-Eleven for his daily breakfast of hash browns, said Jeannie Strickland, the store's manager. "He came in (Thursday) morning just like normal," she said, "nothing weird, nothing out of the ordinary."


The Aledged Aurora, Colorado Batman Shooter - James Holmes

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From Rense.com http://rense.com/general95/auroraconspt.html

1. James Holmes had no job, was earning unemployment but was able to purchase close to 10k in weapons, explosives, and tactical equipment, and this all happened within 2 months. The chances that Holmes could afford to finance this on his own is highly unlikely. Someone helped finance this attack, follow the money and we will find the masterminds.

2. The testimony of 2 key eye witnesses totally contradicts the official story of there being one shooter, with no accomplice in the attack. One witness testified that the tear gas canisters came from both sides of the theatre, a second witness testified that before the movie began he saw someone sit down in the front row, and shortly after sitting down his phone rang and instead of walking into the main lobby to take the call, he walked over to the emergency exit to the right side of the theatre opened the door and looked to be signaling someone outside the theatre. Shortly after the shooter made entrance through the emergency exit and commenced his attack.

3. Evidence photos - Evidence photos have surfaced of a gas mask outside of the emergency exit of theatre 8, police reported that when they arrested the shooter in the white Hyundai outside of theatre 9 he was wearing a gas mask, that would make 2 gas masks that were recovered. Also photos show the AR-15 propped up against the wall opposite of the fire exit door of theatre 9, police radio communications reported that night that the rifle was found inside the theatre, and even if the the AR-15 was discarded outside the theatre do you think the gunman was going to take the time to set the weapon down ? The Hyundai - why was the window missing? I thought he put up no resistance as he was being taken into custody ?

4. Radio communications from the night of the attack -

*First report of suspects was two men fleeing the theatres both wearing back packs, what happened to these two suspects??

*Reports of three people dragging an unknown individual into a non descript vehicle and speeding off

*the majority of injured and witnesses were not given access to ambulances, they were to be transported by other vehicles to the high school. WHY?

* Police radio that one of the shooters may be wearing blue and plaid shirt

*Magazine and AR-15 dropped in theatre

5. Pool of eye witnesses - It was reported that the theatre had over 300 people in it, there have been less than 10 eye witnesses with a only a few taking most of the spotlight ie. Jennifer Seeger. The KEY eye witnesses seem to have very well rehearsed testimony but have not given much sense to whether there testimony is actually plausible - Jennifer Seeger has consistently given a description of the shooter, that miraculously matches James Holmes to a T, even though she has told reporters that she was face down in the aisle, and surrounded by tear gas/gas obstructing her view. Seeger also described the gas canisters down to the colour, personally I believe this was an impossibility in that scenario. She also mentioned that hot shell casings were hitting her in the forehead as the gunman was spraying the theatre, how is this possible? she was on her front was she not? Another point that should be noted is that for a event that involved 300 people, there has been a surprisingly low amount of postings on youtube, facebook, and Twitter. No one who was involved in this event is talking about it, beyond that small group of witnesses that have been talking to national media outlets.

6. Holmes booby trapped apartment - How are we to believe that a 24 yr old, former jewish camp counselor, gaming nerd, science rock star, Neuroscience PHD had the skill set to set up a system of explosive devices and booby traps that would have the FBI bewildered for almost two days?? How are we to believe that ?? There is no way this maze of death was the work of one neuroscience student. It's BS.

7. Rumours of Holmes's Neuroscience program being funded by DARPA - Neursoscience + DARPA + MKULTRA the perfect marriage

8. Anti-gun agenda - Didn't anyone notice how quick public officials were ready to talk to the media about antigun legislation ? Bloomberg publically called out Obama and Romney to do something about the lack of gun control in the US, excellent timing seeing as the UN has legislation on the table to ban small arms globally.

9. The fact that Holmes allegedly bought the guns legally, to me this is the biggest smoking gun that this attack is being used as sounding board for the anti gun/disarmament agenda, think about it...most intelligent people who were planning an attack like this would do everything they could to stay off of the radar, buying the guns legally doesn't allow one to do that. What they are trying to do is demonize the legal gun owner, saying hey Holmes wasn't a criminal he was a normal guy who went crazy, and due to his ability to legally buy these firearms he was able to pull off these attacks.

10. The roomates - The initial reports were than Holmes was living with two other people, but once people started asking who these roommates were, the story had changed to no roommates that he lived by himself. The roommate story had to change because everyone was asking the same thing, if Holmes had roommates where are they ? Are they in the apartment with all of those explosive materials? It makes no sense!!! I don't think there were any explosives in Holmes residence, I think that they were buying time to construct this BS story.

and last but not least...

***Most important to note about James Holmes, however, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose "blueblood" family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money.

More on this angle here (http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news617_batmanwhohow.html).



Wade Michael Page - The Aledged Milwaukee, Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooter

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From Cryptogon (http://cryptogon.com/?p=30685)

Page Served in U.S. Army Psychological Operations Unit
Via: CBS News (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/06/cbs-news-shooter-identified-as-former-us-military-member/):
CBS News reports that Page enlisted in the Army in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He was last stationed in Fort Bragg, N.C., serving in the psychological operations unit.

Wade Michael Page
Via: CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57487094/sikh-temple-shooting-suspect-identified-as-wade-michael-page-motivation-unclear/):
The suspect in a shooting that left six people dead at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee on Sunday has been identified as Wade Michael Page.
Authorities confirmed to CBS News on Monday that Page was the suspect in the shooting. He was killed outside the temple in a shootout with police officers after the rampage that left terrified congregants hiding in closets and others texting friends outside for help.
Multiple sources tell CBS News that Page was a former member of the U.S. military, but he was no longer serving actively. It was not immediately clear under what circumstances Page left the military.
Officials had previously described the suspect as a heavy-set, 40-year-old Caucasian with numerous tattoos.
Sources tell CBS News some unspecified evidence suggests race or ethnicity may have played a role in the violence, but no links to extremist groups have been confirmed.
Local police called the attack an act of domestic terrorism, but other sources tell CBS News correspondent Bon Orr it may be more accurate to refer to “an investigation into a possible hate crime.”
Neither the local nor the federal sources provided further details or suggested a possible motive, including whether the suspect specifically targeted the Sikh temple.

CBS News correspondent Ben Tracy reports Page is only believed to have lived at the residence for two weeks, according to neighbors.

Let's not forget our wonderful politicians have the UN Arms Treaty to push on the American People. They never let a crisis go to waste.

Things just don't add up folks....too many coincidences and I don't believe in coincidences.

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Peter Lemkin
08-22-2012, 05:48 AM
DHS Crushed This Analyst for Warning About Far-Right Terror
12th August 2012
DHS Crushed This Analyst for Warning About Far Right TerrorBy Spencer Ackerman

Wired Danger Room, August 7, 2012

Daryl Johnson had a sinking feeling when he started seeing TV reports on Sunday about a shooting in a Wisconsin temple. “I told my wife, ‘This is likely a hate crime perpetrated by a white supremacist who may have had military experience,’” Johnson recalls.

It was anything but a lucky guess on Johnson’s part. He spent 15 years studying domestic terrorist groups — particularly white supremacists and neo-Nazis — as a government counterterrorism analyst, the last six of them at the Department of Homeland Security. There, he even homebrewed his own database on far-right extremist groups on an Oracle platform, allowing his analysts to compile and sift reporting in the media and other law-enforcement agencies on radical and potentially violent groups.

But Johnson’s career took an unexpected turn in 2009, when an analysis he wrote on the rise of “Right-Wing Extremism (.pdf) sparked a political controversy. Under pressure from conservatives, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) repudiated Johnson’s paper — an especially bitter pill for him to swallow now that Wade Michael Page, a suspected white supremacist, killed at least six people at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. For Johnson, the shooting was a reminder that the government’s counterterrorism efforts are almost exclusively focused on al-Qaida, even as non-Islamist groups threaten Americans domestically.

“DHS is scoffing at the mission of doing domestic counterterrorism, as is Congress,” Johnson tells Danger Room. “There’ve been no hearings about the rising white supremacist threat, but there’s been a long list of attacks over the last few years. But they still hold hearings about Muslim extremism. It’s out of balance.” But even if that balance was reset, he concedes, that doesn’t necessarily mean the feds could have found Page before Sunday’s rampage.

Johnson left DHS in April 2010 after “they dissolved my team,” he says. Had he still been at DHS, he says he would have published an analysis calling attention to a growing number of attacks on mosques, which he thinks could serve as a “warning” to Sikh communities that are often mistaken for Muslim ones. But finding so-called “lone wolf” terrorists like Page is a challenge no matter their motivations, since they operate outside established extremist cells and often don’t have criminal records, making it difficult for law enforcement or homeland security officials to spot them.

Now a security consultant in the Washington D.C. area, Johnson used to work for DHS’ analysis shop, the Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A). He supervised a team of six analysts studying what he calls “domestic non-Islamic extremism.” It’s a telling term: the DHS employed as many as 40 analysts who looked at al-Qaida and other jihadist groups’ inroads into the homeland.

Johnson ran everything else. One person on his team worked on the threat from anarchists; another, the threat from animal-rights extremists. Still others looked at anti-abortion radicalism, white supremacy and radical environmentalism. They were supplemented by analysts at the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; but outnumbered by the literally thousands of analysts, operatives and other counterterrorism officials throughout the government who focus on jihadism. “Salaries were our major budget item,” he recalls.

Then, in April 2009, Johnson warned that the election of the first African-American president, combined with recession-era economic anxieties, could fuel a rise in far-right violence.. “DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities,” he wrote.

And so began a brief media firestorm. Conservative writers feared that the DHS was demonizing — even, potentially, criminalizing — mainstream right-wing speech.“It’s no small coincidence that [Secretary Janet] Napolitano’s agency disseminated the assessment just a week before the nationwide April 15 Tax Day Tea Party protests,” pundit Michelle Malkin speculated in the Washington Times. Others objected that Johnson’s report unfairly stigmatized veterans.

It surprised Johnson. An Eagle Scout leader from northern Virginia in his early 40s, Johnson became interested in counterterrorism in his teens, after an Arkansas standoff between federal authorities and a millenarian group called The Covenant The Sword And The Arm of The Lord, which stockpiled weapons and explosives to bring about Armageddon. “I was always fascinated with why people use religion to justify violence and believe the world was ending — and had a role to play in hastening that end,” Johnson said.

Stung, DHS responded by cutting “the number of personnel studying domestic terrorism unrelated to Islam, canceled numerous state and local law enforcement briefings, and held up dissemination of nearly a dozen reports on extremist groups,” the Washington Post reported in June 2009.

According to Johnson, his former team now consists of a single analyst tasked with tracking all domestic non-Islamic extremism. His database has been shuttered.

Asked for comment, DHS disputed Johnson’s claim that it gives non-Islamic extremism short shrift.

“The Department of Homeland Security protects our country from all threats, whether foreign or homegrown, and regardless of the ideology that motivates its violence,” spokesman Matt Chandler told Danger Room. “we face a threat environment where violent extremism is neither constrained by international borders, nor limited to any single ideology. This is not a phenomenon restricted solely to any one particular community and our efforts to counter violent extremism (CVE) are applicable to all ideologically motivated violence. DHS continues to work with its state, local, tribal, territorial and private partners to prevent and protect against potential threats to the United States by focusing on preventing violence that is motivated by extreme ideological beliefs.”

Johnson, who has written a forthcoming book about far-right extremist groups, concedes that the definition of “right-wing” in his product was imprecise. In retrospect, he says he should have clarified that his focus was on “violent” right-wing organizations, like white supremacists, neo-Nazis and so-called Sovereign Citizens who believe the U.S. government is an illegitimate, tyrannical enterprise. Much like mainstream Muslims denounce terrorism and object to over-broad analysis portraying Islam as an incubator of extremism, so too do mainstream conservatives denounce neo-Nazis and white supremacists and dispute that those groups are authentically right-wing.

Nor does he think DHS should ignore Islamic extremism. “It just needs to be more balanced,” Johnson says. New York congressman “Peter King has held three hearings in the past year on Muslim extremism,” he says, referring to the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, “but he’s yet to have a single hearing on right-wing extremism when there’s been a lot more activity.”

Indeed, since Johnson released his ill-fated report, the Wichita, Kansas, abortion doctor George Tiller was assassinated; a security guard was killed when a gunman with neo-Nazi ties went on a shooting spree at the U.S. Holocaust Museum; the FBI arrested members of a Florida neo-Nazi outfit tied to drug dealing and motorcycle gangs; a man was charged with attempting to detonate a weapon of mass destruction at a Spokane, Washington march commemorating Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday; and several mosques around the country have been vandalized or attacked — including a Missouri mosque that burned to the ground on Monday, which had been attacked before.

As Salon recounts, the FBI has been warning for years that far-right racialist organizations might be interested in suicide terrorism. Peter Bergen, a longtime chronicler of al-Qaida, wrote on Tuesday that far-right domestic terrorism rivals and might eclipse the threat of homegrown jihadism.

In a press conference on Monday, FBI Special Agent-in-Charge Teresa Carlson acknowledged that Page, the perpetrator of the Sikh temple assault, “had contact with law enforcement in the past,” but that contact didn’t rise to the level of sparking an active investigation. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks right-wing extremist groups, has apparently had Page on its radar for some time.

But Johnson doesn’t contend that more resources would necessarily have stopped Page from attacking the Sikh temple. Lone-wolf terrorists are hard to spot. What the government should do instead is broaden its counterterrorism focus beyond just jihadis. “It needs to be more balanced,” Johnson says. “It’s frustrating to see these types of incidents ongoing.”

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/08/dhs/all/

Peter Lemkin
08-23-2012, 04:07 PM
Neo-Nazis Are Using the Army as a Training Camp
Reuters

John Hudson Aug 21, 2012

White supremacists aren't the type of people you want to train to be unstoppable fighting machines, but that doesn't mean they're not signing up for the call of duty. In a disturbing Reuters investigation, Daniel Trotta uncovers the campaign by neo-Nazis and certain skinhead groups to encourage enlistment in the Army and Marine Corps so members can learn the skills to overthrow the government, or in neo-Nazi speak, the Zionist Occupation Government. "They call it 'rahowa' - short for racial holy war - and they are preparing for it by joining the ranks of ... the U.S. military," writes Trotta. "Get in, get trained and get out to brace for the coming race war."

The recruiting practice is gaining scrutiny in light of the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting by gunman Wade Michael Page, a former U.S. Army soldier and neo-Nazi musician. As CNN reported last week, Page's base, Fort Bragg, "was home to a small number of white supremacists including three soldiers later convicted in the murder of an African-American couple." Reuters caught up with Marine T.J. Leydon, who served from 1988 to 1991 while openly promoting neo-Nazi causes:

"I went into the Marine Corps for one specific reason: I would learn how shoot," Leyden told Reuters. "I also learned how to use C-4 (explosives), blow things up. I took all my military skills and said I could use these to train other people," said Leyden, 46, who has since renounced the white power movement and is a consultant for the anti-Nazi Simon Wiesenthal Center.

As a result of this recruiting technique, the U.S. Defense Department is stepping up its efforts to clampdown on violent racists within the military. Sometimes that means making some difficult calls when it comes to screening out applicants at recruiting centers, as Sergeant Aaron Iskenderian tells the news agency:

Iskenderian cited the example of a young man who came in recently with a tattoo of the Confederate flag."We're in the South here. It's considered Southern heritage. It's on the General Lee," Iskenderian said, referring to the car from the television show "The Dukes of Hazzard."

"Is it racist? I asked him, 'What does it mean to you?' and he said, 'Southern pride.'"

The potential recruit also told Iskenderian he had a black girlfriend. Iskenderian sent the issue up the chain of command, and the young man was rejected.

Apparently, once a soldier signs on, it can be extremely difficult to remove the extremists, notes Carter F. Smith, a former military investigator. "They are some of the most disciplined soldiers we have," he said. "They really want to learn to shoot those weapons."