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Myra Bronstein
10-04-2008, 12:56 AM
Per Jan

"I don't want to derail this Dallas/Chicago JFK thread, but if you want to start a separate thread elsewhere (perhaps in Black Ops or Science Mind Control) on the intriguing possibility that Charlie Manson was sheep-dipped, I'd be delighted to explore Helter Skelter and the Bug with you..."

Please do Jan. I've recently developed a vague certainty that Manson was part of Operation Chaos, which put the nail in the coffin of the peace-love/rock & roll movement. I'd love to hear your take on it.

Jan Klimkowski
10-04-2008, 04:28 PM
The myth of Manson is that he is "the man who killed the Sixties".

Essentially, the official version claims that this svengali-like ex-con took advantage of the hippy ideology of sex, drugs and rock 'n roll to "pervert" innocent young Americans. His Family would steal for Charlie, whore for Charlie, even kill for Charlie.

The official version is like a morality tale: the path of free love, of "turning on, tuning in, and dropping out", leads not to a world of love and selfless cooperation, but rather to murder & wanton savagery. "Something wicked" lies down the hippie path. And its name, both literally and symbolically, is the Beast Manson.

The reality is rather different. Manson's life story rewards close examination, and several writers - eg Ed Sanders, Paul Krassner, Mae Brussell, Adam Gorightly and Peter Levenda - have revealed its bizarre complexity and brutality. I hope we discuss the details later in this thread.

However, there's one immediate & striking problem with the official version of Manson as hippie guru. His overarching vision, Helter Skelter, was of promoting a near-apocalyptic race war between whites and blacks.

Wikipedia has a decent introduction to the vision of Helter Skelter in all its strangeness and contradictions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_(Manson_scenario)

The sheep-dipping scenario is, inevitably, interwoven with the notion of an MK-Manson, or what Peter Levenda calls the "Manson Secret".

We should bear in mind that one previous attempt to publicize links between alleged American intelligence figures, covert mind control programmes and Charles Manson resulted in a $450 million lawsuit against Rolling Stone magazine. The case was settled out of court, and the article was pulped...

David Guyatt
10-04-2008, 05:48 PM
Jan, I don't suppose you have a copy of that now pulped Rolling Stone magazine article by any chance?

I seem to recall that Les Coleman's book on Pan Am 107, "The Trail of the Octopus" was also pulped following a lawsuit.

Erasing unpalatable history...

Linda Minor
10-04-2008, 09:55 PM
Jan, I don't suppose you have a copy of that now pulped Rolling Stone magazine article by any chance?

I seem to recall that Les Coleman's book on Pan Am 107, "The Trail of the Octopus" was also pulped following a lawsuit.

Erasing unpalatable history...

http://www.charliemanson.com/rolling-stone-2.htm
THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN IN THE WORLD
An Audience with Charles Manson, a.k.a. Jesus Christ
Moving slowly across the municipal geometry of civic buildings
and police officers, a man comes toward us looking directly into the
sun, his arms stretched out in supplication, like the Sierra Indian.
From a hundred feet away his eyes are flashing, all two-dimensional
boundaries gone. A strange place to be tripping, outside the new, all
concrete, Los Angeles County Jail.
"You're from ROLLING STONE," he says.
"How did you know?"
No answer. He leads us to the steps of the jail's main entrance,
pivots and again locks his gaze into the sun.
"Spirals," he whispers. "Spirals coming away...circles curling
out of the sun." His fingers weave patterns in the air. A little sun
dance.
"A hole in the fourth dimension," we suggest.
His easy reply: "A hole in all dimensions."
This is Clem, an early member of the family called Manson. Inside
is another, Squeaky, a friendly girl with short, red hair and freckles.
Her eyes, too, are luminous, not tripping, but permanently innocent.
Children from the Village of the Damned.
We went to the attorney-room window to fill out forms. Two guards
watched from a glass booth above. A surprise: we were not searched.
"Step inside the gate," says a disembodied voice. "Keep clear of the
gate."
After nearly an hour he comes in. The guards greet him, casual,
friendly.
"Hi, Charlie, how are you today?"
"Hi, man, I'm doin' fine," he says, smiling.
He's wearing prison clothes, blue denim jacket and pants. His
hair is very long and bushy, he pushes it out of his face nervously.
He looks different, older and stranger than in the press photos. His
beard has been shaved off recently, and it is growing back black and
stubbly. He has a long face with a stubborn jaw, wizened and weathered
like the crazy country faces you see in old TVA photographs. A cajun
Christ. He moves, springing, light as a coyote.
"Can't shake hands," he explains, jumping back. "Against the
rules."
He unfolds casually in the chair. He strokes his chin, like a
wizard trapped under a stone for a thousand years.
ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR RECORD?
All the good music was stolen. What's there is a couple of years
old. I've written hundreds of songs since then. I've been writing a
lot while I was in jail.
I never really dug recording, you know, all those things pointing
at you. You get into the studio, and it's hard to sing into microphones.
[He clutches his pencil rigidly, like a mike.] Giant phallic
symbols pointing at you. All my latent tendencies... [He starts
laughing and making sucking sounds. He is actually blowing the
pencil!] My relationship to music is completely subliminal, it just
flows through me.
"EGO IS A TOO MUCH THING" IS A STRANGE TRACK. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY
EGO?
Ego is the man, the male image. [His face tenses, his eyes dart
and threaten. He clenches his fist, bangs it on the table. He gets
completely behind it, acting it out, the veins standing out in his
neck.] Ego is the phallic symbol, the helmet, the gun. The man
behind the gun, the mind behind the man behind the gun. My philosophy
is that ego is the thinking mind. The mind you scheme with, make war
with. They shoved all the love in the back, hid it away. Ego is
like, "I'm going to war with my ego stick." [He waves an imaginary
rifle around, then sticks it in his crotch.]
IN "EGO" THERE'S THIS LINE, "YOUR HEART IS A-PUMPIN', YOUR PARANOIA'S
A-JUMPIN'."
Yeah, well, paranoia is just a kind of awareness, and awareness
is just a form of love. Paranoia is the other side of love. Once you
give in to paranoia, it ceases to exist. That's why I say, submission
is a gift, just give in to it, don't resist. It's like saying, "Tie
me on the cross!" Here, want me to hold the nail? Everything is
beautiful if you want to experience it totally.
HOW DOES PARANOIA BECOME AWARENESS?
It's paranoia...and it's paranoia...and it's paranoia...UNH!
[He mimics terror, total paranoia, scrunching up his body into a ball
of vibrating fear that suddenly snaps and slumps back in ectasy.]
It's like when I went into the courtroom. Everybody in the courtroom
wanted to kill me. I saw the hatred in their eyes, and I knew they
wanted to kill me, and I asked the sheriffs, "Is somebody goint to
shoot me?" That's why I feel like I'm already dead. I know it's
coming. It's the cops who put that feeling into their heads. They
don't come in with that.
They whisper, so I can hear it, "Sharon Tate's father is in
court." And then they go over and shake him down to see if he has a
gun, and they're just putting that idea into his head. He has a nice
face. I saw him the first day in court. He doesn't want to kill me.
They're putting that into his head. You know, they say things like,
"We wouldn't want you to shoot the defendant." And every day I see
him in court, his face gets a little harder, and one day he's gonna
do it.
And they put the whole thing in his head, feeding him all those
negative vibrations. And if you keep doing that, it's got to happen.
I know it's coming. They all got their things pointed at me, and they
want to use them badly. But actually they can't use them, and that's
what makes them so mad. They can't make love with them, they're all
suffering from sex paranoia.
They've been following me for three years, trying to find
something, and wherever they go there's like thirty women. And that
really makes them mad. They can't understand what all these women are
doing with one guy.
They're looking for something dirty in everything, and if you're
looking for something, you'll find it. You have to put up some kind
of face for them, and that's the only face they understand.
The answer is to accept the cross. I've accepted it. I can go
up on the cross in my imagination. Oh, ooooooh, aaaah! [The orgasmic
crucifixion! He gives a long sigh of relief.]
Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? [His head prowls
back and forth.] Watching, tuned in, completely aware. Christ on
the cross, the coyote in the desert - it's the same thing, man. The
coyote is beautiful. You learn from the coyote just like you can
learn from a child. A baby is born into this world in a state of
fear. Total paranoia and awareness. He sees the world with eyes not
used yet. As he grows up, his parents lay all this stuff on him. They
tell him, when they should be letting him tell them. Let the children
lead you.
The death trip is something they pick up from their parents, mama
and papa. They don't have to die. You can live forever. It's all
been put in your head. They program him by withholding love. They
make him into a mechanical toy. [He sings from his album, jerking his
arms like a spastic Tin Man.] "I am a mechanical boy/I am my mother's
toy."
Everything happened perfectly for me in my life. I picked the
right mother, and my father, I picked him too. He was a gas, he cut
out early in the game. He didn't want me to get hung up. [Charlie
laughs privately at his private joke.]
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOU MEAN BY SUBMISSION? IF WE ARE ALL ONE, HOW
CAN YOU JUSTIFY BEING A LEADER?
There is only One. I'm the One. Me is first. I don't care
about you. I'm not thinking about what other people think, I just do
what my soul tells me. People said I was a leader. Here's the kind
of leader I was. I made sure the animals were fed. Any sores on the
horses? I'd heal them. Anything need fixing? I'd fix it. When it
was cold, I was always the last one to get a blanket.
Pretty soon I'd be sitting on the porch, and I'd think, "I'll go
and do this or that." And one of the girls would say, "No, let me."
You've go to give up, lie down and die for other people, then they'll
do anything for you. When you are willing to become a servant for
other people, they want to make you a master. In the end, the girls
would be just dying to do something for me. I'd ask one of them to
make a shirt for me, and she'd be thrilled because she could do something
for me. They'll work twenty-four hours a day if you give them
something to do.
I can get along with girls, they give up easier. I can make love
to them. Man has this ego thing. [Charlie stiffens up, holding on to
his prick.] I can't make love to that. Girls break down easier. When
you get beyond the ego thing, all you're left with is you; you make
love with yourself. With a girl, you can make love with her until
she's exhausted. You can make love with her until she gives up her
mind, then you can make love with love. [Charlie starts to run his
hands up and down his body, caressing himself like a stripper, his
fingers tingling like a faith healer in a trance. They dance all over
his body.] You climax with every move you make, you climax with every
step you take. The breath of love you breathe is all you need to
believe. [Charlie pulls a thousand postures from the air. He squirms,
stiffens, anguishes with ecstasy.] Oooooh, aaaaaaaah, uhhhhn! Your
beard, it feels sooooo good, mmmmmmm! [His fingers, with half-inchlong
nails, fondle his own face, his stubbly chin, impersonating the
hands of an unseen lover, making love with himself.] Your beard feels
sooo good, mmmmmmm, yes it does. It all comes from the father into
the woman. [Suddenly he assumes his teaching position.] See, it's
because I am a bastard that I can accept the truth. Hell, I am my
father! The Father... the Son... [He withdraws in mock terror from
some imaginary host of accusers, pushing the thought away with
extended hands.] No, no, NO... it's not me... you've got it all
wrong. I'm not-you couldn't think that! I don't know what you're
talking about. Listen, I'll get a job. [He continues fighting his
phantom, Jacob wrestling with his angel, then giggles.] See, the
cop-out is Christianity. If you believe in Christianity, you don't
have to believe in Christ. Get a job and you won't have to think
about it at all.
Being in jail protected me in a way from society. I was inside,
so I couldn't take part, play the games that society expects you to
play. I've been in jail twenty-two years. The most I was out was
maybe six months. I just wasn't contaminated, I kept my innocence.
I got so I actually loved solitary. That was supposed to be
punishment. I loved it. There is nothing to do in prison anyway, so
all they can get you to do is "Get up! Sit down!" So solitary was
great. I began to hear music inside my head. I had concerts inside
my cell. When the time came for my release, I didn't want to go.
Yeah, man, solitary was beautiful.
WHAT DO YOU FEEL ABOUT JUDGE KEENE TAKING AWAY YOUR PRO PER PRIVILEGE?
The judge is just the flip side of the preacher. He took away my
pro per privilege because they don't want me to speak. They want to
shut me up, because they know if I get up on the stand, I am going to
blow the whole thing wide open. They don't want to hear it.
Between you and me, if that judge asks for my life, I'm going to
give it to him right there in the courtroom. But first of all he is
going to have to deal with my music, the music in my fingers and my
body. [Charlie demonstrates. His nails tap out an incredible riff on
the table, the chair, the glass of the booth, like the scurrying footsteps
of some strung-out rodent.]
He is going to have to deal with that power. I'm probably one
of the most dangerous men in the world if I want to be. But I never
wanted to be anything but me. If the judge says death, I am death.
I've always been dead. Death is life.
Anything you see in me is in you. If you want to see a vicious
killer, that's who you'll see, do you understand that? If you see me
as your brother, that's what I'll be. It all depends on how much love
you have. I am you, and when you can admit that, you will be free. I
am just a mirror.
Did you see what they did to that guy in the Chicago Seven trial?
Hoffman saw in those guys what he wanted to see. That's why he found
them guilty. The white man is fading, everybody knows that. The black
man will take over, they can't stop it. And they won't be able to
stop me either unless they gag me.
WHY DO YOU THINK BLACK PEOPLE WILL GAIN POWER?
They were the first people to have power. The pharaohs were
black. The Egyptians took one man and raised him up above the rest.
They put him on the throne and they fed all these lines of energy into
him. [He folds his arms across his chest like Tutankhamen, holding
his pencil between two fingers like a pharaoh's rod.] That means
power. This represents the penis, the power. They built the pyramids
with this energy. Love built the pyramids. Power without love is
aggression. There has been no true love since the pharaohs. Except
for J.C. He knew what love meant.
Tempt me not. Do you remember the story about Jesus on the hill?
You know, the devil takes Him to the edge of this cliff, [Charlie
leans over the table as if precariously on the edge of the Void] and
he says to Him, "If you're God, prove it by jumping off the edge."
And Jesus says, "There ain't nothing to prove, man." When you doubt,
your mind is in two parts. It's divided against itself. See, Christ
is saying, "Past, get behind me." The Devil is in the past. The
Devil is the past. What he is saying is, "Don't think. He who thinks
is lost, because if you have to think about something, to doubt it,
you're lost already."
My philosophy is: Don't think. I don't believe in the mind that
you think with and scheme with. I don't believe in words.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN WORDS, WHY DO YOU USE SO MANY OF THEM?
Words are symbols. All I'm doing is jumbling the symbols in your
brain. Everything is symbolic. Symbols are just connections in your
brain. Even your body is a symbol.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE MEANING OF REVELATIONS, CHAPTER 9?
What do you think it means? It's the battle of Armageddon. It's
the end of the world. It was the Beatles "Revolution 9" that turned
me on to it. It predicts the overthrow of the Establishment. The pit
will be opened, and that's when it will all come down. A third of all
mankind will die. The only people who escape will be those who have
the seal of God on their foreheads. You know the part, "They will
seek death, but they will not find it."
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PROPHECIES YOU FOUND IN THE BEATLES' DOUBLE ALBUM?
[Charlie starts drawing some lines on the back of a sheet of
white paper, three vertical lines and one horizontal line. In the
bottom area he writes the word SUB.] Okay. Give me the names of
four songs on the album. [We chose "Piggies," "Helter Skelter" and
"Blackbird," and he adds "Rocky Raccoon." Charlie writes down the
titles at the top of each vertical section. Under "Helter Skelter" he
draws a zigzag line, under "Blackbird" two strokes, somehow indicating
bird sounds. Very strange.] This bottom part is the subconscious.
At the end of each song, there is a little tag piece on it, a couple
of notes. Or like in "Piggies," there's "oink, oink, oink." Just
these couple of sounds. And all these sounds are repeated in
"Revolution 9." Like in "Revolution 9" all these pieces are fitted
together and they predict the violent overthrow of the white man.
Like you'll hear "oink, oink," and then right after that, machine-gun
fire. [He sprays the room with imaginary slugs.] AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK!
DO YOU REALLY THINK THE BEATLES INTENDED TO MEAN THAT?
I think it's a subconscious thing. I don't know whether they
did or not. But it's there. It's an association in the subconscious.
This music is bringing on the revolution, the unorganized overthrow of
the Establishment. The Beatles know in the sense that the subconscious
knows.
WHAT DOES "ROCKY RACCOON" MEAN, THEN?
Coon. You know that's a word they use for black people. You
know the line, "Gideon checked out/And he left it no doubt/To help
with good Rocky's revival." Rocky's revival - re-vival. It means
coming back to life. The black man is going to come back into power
again. "Gideon checks out" means that it's all written out there in
the New Testament, in the Book of Revelations.
DO YOU THINK YOU WILL EVER GET OUT OF JAIL?
I don't care. I'm as at home here as anywhere. Anywhere is
anywhere you want it to be. It's all the same to me. I'm not afraid
of death, so what can they do to me? I don't care what they do. The
only thing I care about is my love.
Death is psychosomatic. The gas chamber? [Charlie laughs.] My
God, are you kidding? It's all verses, all climaxes, all music. Death
is permanent solitary confinement, and there is nothing I would like
more than that.
* * * * * * * *
A bell rings. A deputy comes over to tell us the time is up.
The jail is closing for the night. Charlie gives us a song he's
composed in jail, "Man Cross Woman," written neatly on lined yellow
paper ripped from a legal tablet.
Charlie just stands at the entrance to the attorney room,
smiling. Outside, in the distance, Clem and Squeaky wave and smile
back ecstatically at their captured kind, their fingers pressed
against the glass. The deputies watch Charlie, puzzled, as he flops
his head from one side to the other like a clown. They cannot see
Clem and Squeaky behind them, imitating his every movement, communicating
in a silent animal language.
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10-04-2008, 10:23 PM
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The following article appeared in Rolling Stone magazine in June 1970.
An interview with Manson also appeared in the same issue.
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YEAR OF THE FORK,
NIGHT OF THE HUNTER
by David Felton and David Dalton June 1970
"But the decadence of history is looking for a pawn
To a nightmare of knowledge he opens up the gate
A blinding revelation is served upon his plate
That beneath the greatest love is a hurricane of hate"
-PHIL OCHS, "Crucifixion"

Three young girls dance down the hallway of the Superior Court
Building in Los Angeles, holding hands and singing on of Charlie's
songs. They might be on their way to a birthday party in their short,
crisp cotton dresses, but actually they are attending a preliminary
hearing to a murder trial.

A middle-aged lady in Bel Air wants to "mother" Charlie, and
two little girls send a letter to him in jail: "At first we thought
you were guilty. But then we read in the papers about these kids who
were stabbed to death in the same way as the Sharon Tate murders. We
knew you hadn't done it because you were in jail at the time. We knew
you hadn't done it anyway when we saw your face in the newspaper
...Love,...."

Charlie gets letters from little girls every day. They come from
New Hampshire, Minnesota, Los Angeles. A convicted bank robber who
met Charlie in jail writes "The Gospel According to Pawnee Fred, the
Thief on the Other Cross," in which he asks, "Is Manson Son of Man?"
Thirty miles northwest of the courthouse, seven miles due north
of Leonard Nimoy's Pet Pad in Chatsworth (supplies, fish, domestics,
exotics), a circle of rustic women at the Spahn Movie Ranch weave
their own hair into an elaborate rainbow vest for Charlie. Most of
them are early members of Charlie's three-year-old family. There's
Lynne Fromme -they call her Squeaky- Sandra Good, Gypsy, Brenda,
Sue, Cappy, Jeany.

"We've been working on this vest for two years," says Sandra,
"adding things, sewing on patches. It's for Charlie to wear in
court." And Squeaky adds, "Wouldn't it be beautiful to have a
photograph of Charlie wearing it? And all of us standing around
close to him, hugging him like we used to?"

Wouldn't it be beautiful to have the others standing around, too,
the rest of the family, the others imprisoned? Tex Watson and Patti
Krenwinkel and Linda Kasabian and, oh yeah, the snitch, Sadie Glutz.
Her real name is Susan Atkins, but the family calls her Sadie Glutz,
because that's what Charlie named her.

Meanwhile, Charlie sits blissfully in his cell at the Los Angeles
County Jail, composing songs, converting fellow inmates to his gospel
of love and Christian submission, and occasionally entertaining a
disturbing thought: Why haven't they gotten in touch? A simple phone
call would do it. Surely they've received the telegrams, the letters.
Surely they realize that he knows, he understands their glorious
revelation; he understands the whole fucking double album.
"Everywhere there's lots of piggies

Living piggy lives
You can see them out for dinner
With their piggy wives"
-GEORGE HARRISON, "Piggies"
* * * * * * * *

Ten blocks from the new county jail stands the old County Hall
of Justice, a grotesque, brown brick fortress that for decades has
guarded the Los Angeles Civic Center from aesthetic inroads. The
entire sixth floor belongs to the district attorney and his staff,
a member of which, now alone on his lunch hour, unlocks a file cabinet
and withdraws several neatly bound, family-type photo albums. Slowly
he turns each page, studies each snapshot, each personality:
* Sharon Tate, considered one of Hollywood's prettier, more
popular, promising young stars; wife of genius film sorcerer Roman
Polanski. After her biggest film, Valley of the Dolls, she retreated
to private life to enjoy her first pregnancy. The photographs show
her in her eighth month.

* Wojiciech Frykowski, Polanski's boyhood pal who came to
Hollywood with hopes of directing films himself. His luck at this
was dismal, and even Polanski later admitted he had little talent.
Instead, he began directing home movies inside his head, investing
heavily in many forms of exotic dope.

* Abigail Folger, heiress to the Folgers Coffee millions, an
attractive Radcliffe girl considered by neighbors to be the most
charming of Polanski's house guests. She met Frykowski in New York
and had become his lover.

* Steven Parent, an eighteen-year-old from the Los Angeles suburb
of El Monte, a friend of Polanski's caretaker, unknown to the others,
a nobody like the rest of us. Had fortune been on his side, he would
have so remained.

* Leno LaBianca, owner of a grocery-store chain, and his wife
Rosemary, an ordinary couple of the upper middle class, fond of such
quiet pleasures as boating, water-skiing and watching late-night
television in their pajamas. They knew nothing of Sharon Tate and
her friends, living miles away in different neighborhoods and
different worlds.

* Gary Hinman, music teacher, bagpipe player and one-time friend
of Charlie Manson's. He once, in fact, gave the Manson family his
Toyota, although the circumstances surrounding that gift have since
come into question.

The snaphots are homey little numbers, color polaroids taken by
staff photographers from the county coroner's office and the Los
Angeles Police Department. They show all the wounds, the nakedness,
the blood. Sometimes the exposure is a little off, but the relevant
details are there - shots of the rooms, the bullet holes, the blood
on the furniture and floors, the bizarre blood writing on the walls,
words like RISE and HELTER SKELTER and PIGGIES.
* * * * * * * *

Los Angeles is the third largest city in America, according to
population, but easily the largest, according to raw real estate.
It is bordered by the Pacific Ocean to the south and southwest, by
Ventura County to the west, by the San Gabriel Mountains and fireprone
Angeles National Forest to the north and by scores of cruddy,
smoggy little towns and cities to the east. Charles Manson knew his
city well. Like many Los Angeles residents, he learned to drive long
distances regularly without giving a second thought. During his two
years as a free man in Southern California, he frequently "made the
rounds," visiting friends, keeping business appointments, preaching
to small groups, giving and taking material possessions.

Starting at Spahn Movie Ranch in the extreme northwest corner of
Los Angeles, drive two miles east on Santa Susana Pass Road to Topanga
Canyon itself. It was here that Manson and his family first lived
after arriving from Haight-Ashbury in late 1967, and it was here that
Manson first met Gary Hinman. Hinman's house is a little further down
the road, almost where Topanga Canyon meets the beach at Pacific Coast
Highway.

You can't see into the house now, of course, because the cops
boarded it up last July after they found Hinman's body perforated with
stab wounds. They say he was tortured for forty-eight hours. On a
nearby wall they found the words POLITICAL PIGGIES and a neat little
cat's-paw print in blood. Bobby Beausoleil, a guitarist and member of
Manson's family, has already been sentenced to death, and Manson and
Susan Atkins are awaiting trial in the matter.

After driving onto Pacific Coast Highway, take a left, and after
two miles, take another left. Now you're on Sunset Boulevard, winding
through wealthy Pacific Palisades where, for a short time in early
1968, the Manson family lived with Beach Boy Dennis Wilson. Wilson
moved shortly after Manson allegedly threatened him with a bullet.
Keep driving east on Sunset for another eight or ten miles past
Brentwood Heights, past Mandeville Canyon, over the San Diego Freeway,
past UCLA and Bel Air and Beverly Glen. And when you reach the center
of Beverly Hills, turn left on Canon and head north into Benedict
Canyon. Now here you may need a more detailed map because the streets
get pretty tricky with all the turns and dead ends. But up in
Benedict Canyon there's this little dirt road, Cielo Drive, which
dead ends at the old, rambling, hillside house where producer Terry
Melcher, Doris Day's son, used to live. Manson paid several business
calls on him there, but the business was never completed before
Melcher moved out early last summer.

Neighbors hardly had had a chance to meet the new residents when
on the bright Saturday morning of last August 9th, Mrs. Winifred
Chapman, a maid, ran screaming from the house, across the huge grounds
and parking lot, through the iron gate and down the road: "There's
bodies and blood all over the place!"

Not a bad description. Police found Steven Parent just inside
the gate, shot five times in his white Rambler, the wheels of the car
already turned toward the road in a mad attempt to escape. Wojiciech
Frykowski's body lay in front of the house, shot and stabbed again and
again. Twenty yards down the rolling lawn, underneath a fir tree,
they found Abigail Folger dead and curled up in a bloody nightgown.
Inside the house Jay Sebring and Sharon Tate lay stabbed to death
near the living-room couch, connected by a single nylon cord wrapped
around their necks and thrown over a rafter. Sebring was also shot
and his head covered with a pillowcase. On the front door police
found the word PIG written in blood with a towel. If the gate's
locked, you won't be able to see the house because it's set back some
from the road. Anyway, that's where it is.

Now make a U and head back down to Sunset. Continue east for
another ten miles, along the famous and more and more plastic Sunset
Strip, past the tall, swanky office-building monuments to Hollywood
flackery, past the decaying radio empires of the Forties, clear to
Western Avenue, where you take a left. A mile north, Western turns
right and becomes Los Feliz Boulevard, cutting east through the
wealthy, residential Los Feliz District that skirts the foothills of
Griffith Park. After about three miles, just before Los Feliz crosses
the Golden State Freeway, drive into the winding, hillside streets to
your right, where you'll find Waverly Drive.

In August 1968, Manson and his family started visiting Harold
True, a UCLA student who lived with some other guys on Waverly. They
were all good friends, and the family just liked to go up there and
hang around and smoke dope and sing and shoot the shit. True later
moved to Van Nuys, where he presently lives with Phil Kaufman, a
former member of the family who produced Manson's record.
True's neighbors, incidentally, were Leno and Rosemary LaBianca
who, a year later on the morning of August 10th, were found stabbed
-or rather carved- to death inside their home. The words DEATH TO
PIGS, HELTER SKELTER and RISE were written, again in blood, on the
kitchen walls. And someone had etched WAR on Leno LaBianca's stomach
with a fork.

Anyway, those are just some of the spots Manson liked to visit on
his frequent tours of the big city. Cut back to Los Feliz, head north
on the Golden State Freeway for eighteen miles, cut west across the
north end of the Valley on Devonshire Street -another ten miles- turn
right on Topanga Canyon Boulevard, and you're practically back at the
Spahn ranch.

The whole round trip in eighty miles or so. That may seem like
a big distance, but actually the roads are good and it shouldn't take
longer than two or three hours, especially if you take it on a Sunday
afternoon or, say, late at night.
* * * * * * * *

Perhaps no two recent events have so revealed the cut-rate value
of public morality and private life as the killing of Sharon Tate and
the arrest of Charles Manson. Many were quick to criticize The Los
Angeles Times for publishing bright and early one Sunday morning the
grisly (and since recanted) confessions of Susan Atkins. Any doubts
about Manson's power to cloud men's minds were buried that morning
between Dick Tracy and one of the world's great real-estate sections.
Sexy Sadie laid it down for all to see.

Critics accused the Times of paying a healthy sum to promoter
Larry Schiller, who had obtained the confession from Miss Atkins's
attorneys in return for a cut of the profits. The Times responded
publicly with silence, privately with denial. No money was paid, said
the editors. Schiller had sold the story to various European Sunday
editions, they said, and an eight-hour time difference allowed the
Times to pick it up from one of their European correspondents. In
other words, "If we hadn't run it here, some other paper would have."
ROLLING STONE has since learned that the Times explanation was
at least partly correct. No money was paid, that's true, or at least
not that much. Because, dig, the Times people didn't buy the
confession - they wrote it. Word for word. Not only the confession
but the book that followed, The Killing of Sharon Tate, with "eight
pages of photographs," published by New American Library, a Times-
Mirror subsidiary.

In the volume, Schiller gratefully acknowledges "the invaluable
aid of two journalists who worked with the author in preparing this
book and the original interviews with Susan Atkins." Those two
journalists, it turns out, were Jerry Cohen and Dial Torgerson, both
veteran members of the Times rewrite crew.

What possible justification could the Times editors have had for
running the confessions? Can an individual's right to a fair trial
be compromised so easily by the fictitious right of the public to be
entertained? If Miss Atkins's confession does not constitute damaging
pretrial publicity, what does?

Clearly Charles Manson already stands as the villain of our time,
the symbol of animalism and evil. He is already so hated by the
public that all attempts so far to exploit his reputation have failed
miserably. Of the 2000 albums of his music that were pressed, less
than 300 have sold. A skin flick based on popular assumptions about
Manson and his family, Love in the Commune, closed after two days in
San Francisco. Even Cohen and Torgerson's book is reportedly in
financial trouble.

The most blatant, if less damaging, assault on the concept of
pretrial impartiality comes not from the Establishment or the Far
Right, but the Far Left, the Weathermen faction of the SDS. According
to an item from the Liberation News Service, the Weathermen have made
Manson a revolutionary hero on the assumption that he is guilty.
Praising him for having offed some "rich honky pigs," they offer us
a prize example of bumper-sticker mentality: MANSON POWER - THE YEAR
OF THE FORK!

The underground press in general has assumed a paranoid-schizo
attitude toward Manson, undoubtedly hypersensitive to the relentless
gloating of the cops who, after a five-year search, finally found a
long-haired devil you could love to hate. Starting in mid-January,
the Los Angeles Free Press banner-headlined Manson stories for three
weeks in a row: MANSON CAN GO FREE! M.D. ON MANSON'S SEX LIFE!
MANSON INTERVIEW! EXCLUSIVE! EXCLUSIVE! Later, the Free Press began
a weekly column by Manson written from jail. About the same time, a
rival underground paper, Tuesday's Child, ran Manson's picture across
the entire front page with the headline MAN OF THE YEAR: CHARLES
MANSON. In case you missed the point, in their next issue they
covered the front page with a cartoon of Manson on the cross. The
plaque nailed above his head read simply HIPPIE.

Of course, not all the stories in the Free Press and Tuesday's
Child were pro-Manson. Some were very lukewarm, others were simply
anticop. The question that seemed to split the underground editorial
minds more than any other was simply: Is Manson a hippie or isn't he?
* * * * * * * *

It's hard to imagine a better setting for Manson's vision of the
Apocalypse, his black revolution, than Los Angeles, a city so large
and cumbersome it defies common senses, defies the absurd. For
thousands of amateur prophets it provides a virtual Easter-egg hunt of
spooky truths. Its climate and latitude are identical to Jerusalem.
It easily leads the country in our race toward ecological doom. It
has no sense of the past; the San Andreas Fault separates it from the
rest of the continent by a million years.

If Manson's racial views seem incredibly naive, which the
are (after preaching against the Black Panthers for two years, he
recently asked who Huey Newton was), they are similar to views held by
hundreds of thousands of others in that city and by that city's mayor.
Citizens there last year returned to office Mayor Sam Yorty, whose
administration was riddled with conflicts of interest and bribery
convictions, rather than elect a thoughtful, soft-spoken, middle-ofthe-
road ex-cop who happened to be black. Full-page newspaper ads,
sponsored by a police organization, pictured the man as a wild African
savage and asked voters, "Will Your Home Be Safe with Bradley as
Mayor?"

The Spahn Movie Ranch may seem a miserable place for kids to
live, with its filthy, broken-down shacks and stagnant streams filled
daily with shoveled horse shit. Life there may seem degenerate, a
dozen or more people eating garbage, sleeping, balling and raising
babies in a twenty-foot trailer. But for more than two years most of
those kids have preferred that way of life -life with Charlie- than
living in the homes of their parents. The press likes to put the
Manson family in quotation marks - "family." But it's a real family,
with real feelings of devotion, loyalty and disappointment. For
Manson and all the others, it's the only family they've ever had.
One is tempted to say that Manson spent twenty-two of his
thirty-five years in prison, that he is more a product of the penal
system than Haight-Ashbury. But it cannot be dismissed that easily.
Charles Manson raises some very serious questions about our culture,
whether he is part of it or not.

There is no new morality, as Time and Life would have us believe,
but a growing awareness that the old morality has not been practiced
for some time. The right to pursue different goals, to be free of
social and economic oppression, the right to live in peace and equity
with our brothers - this is Founding Fathers stuff. In the meantime,
we must suffer the void, waiting for the old, dead, amoral culture
to be buried. For the younger among us, the wait is extremely
frustrating, even unbearable.

Into this void rode Charles Manson in the fall on 1967, full of
charm and truth and gentle goodness, like Robert Mitchum's psychopathic
preacher in Night of the Hunter with LOVE and HATE inscribed on
opposing hands. This smiling, dancing music man offered a refreshing
short cut, a genuine and revolutionary new morality that redefines,
or rather eliminates, the historic boundaries between life and death.
Behind Manson's attitude toward death is the ancient mystical belief
that we are all part of one body - and integral tenet of Hinduism,
Buddhism and Christianity, as expressed by Saint Paul in 1 Corinthians:
"For as the body is one and hath many members, and all the members of
that body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ."
But Manson adds a new twist; he wants us to take the idea
literally, temporarily. He believes that he, and all human beings -
are God and the Devil at the same time, that all human beings are part
of each other, that human life has no individual value. If you kill a
human being, you're just killing a part of yourself; it has no meaning.
"Death is psychosomatic," says Manson.

Thus, the foundation of all historic moral concepts is neatly
discarded. Manson's is a morality of amorality. "If God is one, what
is bad?" he asks. Manson represents a frightening new phenomenon, the
acid-ripped street fighter, erasing the barrier between the two outlaw
cultures -the head and the hood- described by Tom Wolfe in The Electric
Kool-Aid Acid Test:

The Angels were too freaking real. Outlaws? They were outlaws
by choice, from the word go, all the way out in Edge City.
Further! The hip world, the vast majority of acid heads,
were still playing the eternal charade of the middle-class
intellectuals -Behold my wings! Freedom! Flight!- but you
don't actually expect me to jump off that cliff, do you?

Perhaps it was inevitable for someone like Manson to come along
- someone who would jump off that cliff.

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David Guyatt
10-05-2008, 08:09 AM
You're a heroine Linda!

.

Charles Drago
10-05-2008, 12:24 PM
"I was having lunch with Charlie Manson in the prison cafeteria, and he looked at me and said, 'Is it hot in here, or am I crazy?'"

-- Gilbert Gottfried

Jan Klimkowski
10-05-2008, 05:40 PM
Linda - interesting articles. Many thanks for posting them. They're not the notorious one though.

In (the hard to get) The Shadow over Santa Susana Adam Gorightly writes (I have obscured the "name" for legal reasons - the number of asterisks is random - and I would ask members not to reveal the name on this forum):


Krassner thought he'd hit a brick wall; that was, until he presented with the opportunity of visting the Manson girls - Katie, Leslie and Sadie - in jail, where he had agreed to conduct a "creative journalism" workshop. There he asked them if anyone had ever met **** ****. "Oh yeah," Sadie replied. "Tex took me to sleep with him. And he gave us dope".

Through his lectures, written material and personal correspondence, I have pieced together John Judge's version of the Manson Family Conspiracy, extrapolated from the seeds of Mae Brussell's seminal research. Part of Judge's argument stems from a conversation Charles Manson had with Tim Leary in Folsom Prison - when the two were located in cells next to each other - and Manson asked Leary why he did not "use acid to control people?" To Judge, Charlie's question revealed a basic contradiction, because LSD - in his opinion - was a drug that would be useless as a control agent of any sort, except to create a state of confusion. For anyone who's experimented to any degree with LSD, it quickly becomes evident that - as an agent to control minds - it's a highly unpredictable compound.

...........................

It is Judge's opinion - along with that of the late Mae Brussell - that the type of "acid" the Mansonoids were using was a military version, unlike the stuff found on the streets, and though it was called "acid" was actually different from LSD-25. Judge believes that the MK-ULTRA version of "acid" was a psilocybin derivative called EA1729 that was used at Wright Patterson Air Force Base as part of MK-ULTRA experiments. According to Judge, this is the same "acid" that a buddy of David Berkowitz's named Terry Patterson - who served with him in Korea - claimed Berkowitz was given by the "brass" while in the Army, when he was placed in a special program reportedly for "profiled" candidates, after he asked for conscientious objector status. Mae Brussell was convinced that Berkowitz was another in a long list of MK-ULTRA patsies, and more correctly referred to him as "Son of Uncle Sam".

.................................

It has also been documented that Tex Watson tripped out on a belladonna concoction - Telache - a short time before the Tate-LaBianca murders, and was never "quite the same". Belladonna has a long history in the annals of espionage, another of the slew of chemical compounds used under the auspices of MK-ULTRA during the 50s. The derivative of belladonna that was used in these experiments was Atropine, a natural extract of the plant.

In '75, Krassner wrote an article for Rolling Stone titled "My Trip With Squeaky" which included a paragraph about **** ****, and ****'s alleged association with Tex Watson. As a result of this article, **** sued Rolling Stone for libel to the tune of $450 million - because, as he claimed, he had never been with Naval Intelligence - which required Krassner's sources to give depositions. The neighbor who said she has seen Tex Watson at ****'s house was now in a state mental hospital.

As detailed in a psychiatric evaluation: "Her feet are encased in the most unusual pair of slippers constructed of layers of garbage, including coffee grounds, bread crumbs, tea bags and lettuce and socks stiff with age and then plastic bags. The patient denies that this garb is out of the ordinary. In fact she indicates that she was planning to use this foot gear as a pattern for a pair of slippers.... she has related to the staff that has been entered by the spirit of (Watergate burglar) James McCord and she must die in order to free herself from this hex." Realizing that this prospective deponent would no doubt damage his already shaky case, Krassner decided against requesting her deposition. His only other source was Susan (Sadie Mae Glutz) Atkins, who was deposed at the California Institute for Women:

Q: Charles Manson, on occasion, he asked you or ordered you to sleep with men, whoever they might be, just men in general?
A: Many times.
Q:And Tex Watson did the same?
A: No, he never ordered me to sleep with anybody.
Q: So, on the occasion when you went to visit this friend of Tex Watson's with Tex, it was not at Tex Watson's request that you slept with this fellow?
A: No. There was a mutual attraction.
Q: So that was Charles Manson's function, and no one else had that prerogative?
A: Yes, I guess you could put it on that basis. I was kind of used... Not kind of, I was used as a ploy to get guys to stay at the ranch. (She is shown a photo of ****, whom she doesn't recognize.) Can I say something? I don't find him attractive at all to me **************

Eventually, the **** case was settled out of court by Rolling Stone, and Krassner published a letter of retraction. Nowadays, Krassner writes off the whole **** incident as a "paranoid freak-out" he suffered after dipping his head too deeply in the conspiratorial morass. In contrast, Mae Brussell felt that Krassner sold out when he began to fear for his life, in much the same way that Ed Sanders went into hiding, and that is why his follow-up to The Family - titled The Motive - never saw the light of day.

.......................................

Sometime in mid-75, Mae received a threatening letter and notified an assistant US attorney, who then passed the letter to the FBI. Released under the Freedom of Information Act, the letter appeared to have been signed, but the name was blacked-out. It read:

"Mae, you are thinking yourself in a circle of madness. Charles Manson has been 28 years in prison and all that B.S. you are running is a reflection of what the news and books have programmed your soul's brain mind to... You are looking for attention. It seems as if you are looking for your death wish in the Family." An unrelated FOIA document dated five years later referred back to the incident and states that "during October and November of '75 she received threatening letters from (blacked out) member of the Manson Family."

Linda Minor
10-05-2008, 06:12 PM
In '75, Krassner wrote an article for Rolling Stone titled "My Trip With Squeaky" which included a paragraph about **** ****, and ****'s alleged association with Tex Watson. As a result of this article, **** sued Rolling Stone for libel to the tune of $450 million - because, as he claimed, he had never been with Naval Intelligence - which required Krassner's sources to give depositions. The neighbor who said she has seen Tex Watson at ****'s house was now in a state mental hospital.

http://www.angelfire.com/home/freelynettefromme/media/krassner.htm
From Rolling Stone, October 23, 1975:
My Trip With Squeaky:
Just One of Charlie's Girls
By Paul Krassner
***

Jan Klimkowski
10-05-2008, 06:16 PM
Another section from Gorightly's The Shadow over Santa Susana:


... the juiciest lead in Krassner's research came when Mae Brussell informed him that an agent for Naval Intelligence named **** **** had met with Tex Watson prior to the murders. "Aha!" thought Krassner: L Ron Hubbard had been associated with Naval Intelligence. The Committee to Investigate Assassinations had also linked Lee Harvey Oswald with Naval Intelligence. Even the infamous Zodiac killer had left obsolete Naval Intelligence ciphers in his notes. ****, Brussell claimed, was taking courses at the Navy Postgraduate School - the Monterey Language School - where only intelligence officers were admitted. ****, she said, had used the cover of a "hippie artist", meanwhile working as an agent provocateur to infiltrate the Manson Family.

According to Brussell, **** was the main drug supplier to the Family, and after the murders, he "cut his hair, put his shoes back on" and went back to work at the Monterey Language School, setting aside his guise of hippie, which had served its purpose, and was no longer of use. Prior to the shedding of his hippie accoutrements, **** had done artwork for a certain "underground" magazine, which predicted that the counterculture would devolve into witchcraft and violence. This magazine - Brussell went on to assert - "was a conduit for CIA funds for medical research in mind control, intelligence money for electrode implants and for LSD experiments, according to documents I got from the Pentagon".

Jan Klimkowski
10-06-2008, 09:04 PM
With regard to the Krassner article, my view is that the alleged involvement of **** is most interesting as a possible scenario.

The truth or otherwise of whether **** actually was Naval Intelligence or MK-ULTRA or to quote the hooting Mansonites teasing Sadie Mae Glutz:


"Ha, ha, you fucked a CIA guy."

is long since lost in the mists of time.

I agree with John Judge that Manson's claim to Timothy Leary of how he, Charlie, used LSD to "control" people is provocative, and suggests that Family "acid" may not have been the drug commonly known as LSD. There have also been other attempts to finger the Family's "LSD" connection - including the vague identification of a military intelligence figure.

However, the larger scenario is the interesting one to me. By the sixties, MK-ULTRA and parallel programmes within other spooky agencies, appear to have gone anthropological...

Cults and "new religious movements" appear to have been particularly favoured fronts for "mind control" experiments in the field.

The Manson Family actually had the lot: sex, drugs, guns - and ultimately, assassins for hire. And the cult used sex rituals, social isolation, and severely mind-altering narcotics to break down bourgeois "rules" and "inhibitions", and turn middle-class kids into malleable true believers in nonsensical apocalyptic visions like Helter Skelter.

Whatever Charlie (or his Controllers) was ultimately up to, like MK-ULTRA's Ewan Cameron with his electroshock and psychic driving, Manson was breaking down the personality, creating tabula rasae, and then putting brand new software in.

As a liberating vision, Helter Skelter is so ridiculous it could have been penned by L Ron Hubbard.... ;)

Myra Bronstein
03-27-2009, 02:36 AM
The myth of Manson is that he is "the man who killed the Sixties".

Essentially, the official version claims that this svengali-like ex-con took advantage of the hippy ideology of sex, drugs and rock 'n roll to "pervert" innocent young Americans. His Family would steal for Charlie, whore for Charlie, even kill for Charlie.

The official version is like a morality tale: the path of free love, of "turning on, tuning in, and dropping out", leads not to a world of love and selfless cooperation, but rather to murder & wanton savagery. "Something wicked" lies down the hippie path. And its name, both literally and symbolically, is the Beast Manson.
...

This is a perfect description of the crafted image of Manson Jan. I suspect he was part of Operation Chaos (and probably MKULTRA) to help kill the sixties as you said.

"See? We tried peace and love in the sixties and it didn't work." In particular, peace didn't work. "Give Peace a Chance" John Lennon said? We did; it didn't work.

Oh and while we're on the subject, we killed Lennon 'cause he was a popular and persuasive peacenik in a war-based society.

Magda Hassan
03-27-2009, 02:45 AM
The Rolling Stones using Hell's Angels as security and that 'security' killing some one in the audience was a real downer too. It was their concert in 1970 so right after the 60's if I recall and a good psychological point to drawn down the curtain on that time where they tried peace and it didn't work. The Stones were very different with their London School of Economics background (vs the more creative Liverpool Art College for the Beatles) and their harder edge and satanic imagery a la 'Goats Head Soup' and other songs.

Myra Bronstein
03-27-2009, 03:01 AM
The Rolling Stones using Hell's Angels as security and that 'security' killing some one in the audience was a real downer too. It was their concert in 1970 so right after the 60's if I recall and a good psychological point to drawn down the curtain on that time where they tried peace and it didn't work. The Stones were very different with their London School of Economics background (vs the more creative Liverpool Art College for the Beatles) and their harder edge and satanic imagery a la 'Goats Head Soup' and other songs.

Altamont, right. Hell's Angel working "security" for the Stones stabbed a man to death. And it was all caught on film and included in the movie "Gimme Shelter." I think it certainly helped drive a stake through the heart of the sixties. It was the antithesis of peace-and-love Woodstock. I doubt that it was orchestrated however, as an Operation Chaos kind of operation, unlike--as I suspect--Manson was.

Do you think Altamont was part of the bigger plan Maggie?

Fascinating point you make about the Rolling Stones! Jagger was a product of the London School of Economics and a crass ruthless businessman first and foremost. When the true artistic spirit of the band, Brian Jones, became too much of a bother he was done away with. The satanic elements went way beyond imagery.

Magda Hassan
03-27-2009, 12:11 PM
Do you think Altamont was part of the bigger plan Maggie?



I don't know but I do know they sure as hell were not ever going to give peace a chance.

Linda Minor
03-27-2009, 12:27 PM
Do you think Altamont was part of the bigger plan Maggie?


I don't know but I do know they sure as hell were not ever going to give peace a chance.

Mae Brussell had the whole Manson scenario figured out. I just found a transcript last night. http://www.maebrussell.com/Transcriptions/16.html
Here's side one:

California was where the flower children were. Big Sur was the home of people like Joan Baez, Henry Miller, free souls, artists roaming. California was an important state in terms of conspiracies to kill candidates and presidents, and to effect national policy. It's part of the military-industrial-complex. I'm going to explain why the murder of Sharon Tate and the other persons in her home was a political massacre. Other researchers have done work on John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King. I was the first researcher in the United States to turn the other peoples' minds to the fact that the same lawyers, the same planners, the same teams originated this particular massacre, and what effect it would have on our society.

It had to be planned well in advanced of when it happened. I'm going to give you my conclusions on the Manson—I call it the Manson trial because nobody talks about it being Charles Watson's massacre. That's the boy who killed seven people, but the news media associates the name Charles Manson [with the killings]. He made the picture on the cover of Life; He is the man that you associate with killing Sharon Tate. Many people don't even know the name Charles Watson, because you're not supposed to know it. Right now there's a hung jury in Los Angeles on the decision of whether Charles Watson is guilty of murdering seven people. He was in the home. He did the stabbing forty times. He wrote "death to the pigs" on the door. The jury can't decide if he was guilty.

My conclusions are, number one: that all of these persons involved—the major people—are agent provaceteurs. They come at a time to increase violence, to come down on a segment of our society prior to an election year to make law and order necessary to protect us from the people at large in our society.

Number two: Charles Manson was a patsy. He is identical, historically, to Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, and James Ray. Charles Manson killed nobody in the Sharon Tate home or in the La Bianca home. He was being charged with these murders and he didn't kill any one of those seven people. He was used. He was a person who had been in jail twenty-two of his thirty-two years of life. He was the product of our penal system. He was not a hippie or a part of the youth culture. They bought him a guitar, let his hair grow, put a leather jacket on him, gave him money, gave him a bus and credit cards, and told him to do his thing.

It was like James Ray was a part of our penal system. He was in Missouri in jail, he met with certain persons, and the next day he was out and there was twenty, thirty thousand dollars of money spent. He traveled continents and everywhere. He was to be used at a certain time and place.

Charles Manson was identical to James Ray, as a product of our penal system. He was used by the news media to slam down on the hippies. We could do one hour on the news control of how your brain is shaped to believe that Charles Manson made a robot out of a nice white Christian boy from Texas. Isn't this terrible? This kind of a criminal mind? He was used....
I knew in the summer of '67—this was the spring when it was happening—that something very big in the United States was coming to ahead. Because I live in the Peninsula here; I'm close to a movement that was growing. Going back and forth from San Francisco to Big Sur, spending my summers at Sur, I could see something really good in a true Judao-Christian tradition of people making it, sharing their housing, sharing their food, rapping. I realized that in this country we had a revolution. There was a revolution of hair-style, clothing, cosmetics, transportation, housing, value system, churches—there was an economic revolution. It effected the cosmetic industry, canned foods, grocery revolution, dietary habits, dwellings, the use of land. No longer needing dwellings; meeting outdoors, no high rent for each separate family; sharing one place. People were delivering their own babies instead of spending $250 for the obstetrician. They were recycling old clothes; going to the Good Will, making their own things, wearing burlap, sharing, doing without, withdrawing from spectator sports or amusements; they weren't sitting and watching people throw a pigskin ball back and forth.

These are revolutions: economic and sociological. They were breaking the boundaries where white and black could rap. They lived together. They slept together. You didn't know somebody's background, if they were rich or poor. You didn't know if they were Jew or Gentile. Those boundaries were thrown out the window in '67. Greece was putting them back, but America was throwing them out the window. And the country club thing was going by the wayside. Zoning laws were ignored; if you have a zoning place in a fancy residential [area], the children are leaving those homes. They are living where there is no zoning. They are up on the land in the communes. They've left their parents in their big homes and they leave the zoning laws behind; they just split. Real estate values are effected because the kids aren't going to buy the house with the picket fence any longer and live two people in that dwelling.

Now this was an economic, sociological necessity in our system as it existed in terms of capitalists, and whether to survive. The Rand Corporation and other think tanks in America decide what to do for the United States of America.

This was the year of the Beatles. It was the summer of Sgt. Pepper, the Monterey Pop, Haight Ashbury, the Renaissance, make your own candle, turn off your electricity, sit and turn on with your friends and rap it over: What is life about? The generation was born with an atomic bomb over their heads. They weren't going to live long anyway, so there wasn't that much time for hate. They were really making it. My car was filled with kids; hitch-hikers everywhere; I picked strangers off the streets. They slept in our home, slept in the yards, too. Monterey Pop came that weekend. We were there everyday and I picked people off the road and our house was filled. It was the most beautiful thing. I still have yard furniture; they all painted chairs and tables and everyone pitched in. It was just—it was human beauty and they were making it together.

But that isn't the way it was meant to be made by U.S. Steel and General Motors and Kaiser Aluminum. They want to sell you your own car, your own house, and your own washing machine and dryer....
I have a file that started in '67, and every article from all the magazines or books that I could get follows up who overthrew Greece: the Litton Industry, the fascists in this country put those edicts in there. Now if they put them in there and it worked they could put them down on us.

I have another file I started in 1967. I told you before I have 1600 subject categories of current news. And I started a file called Hippies. Because articles in '67 were coming out. It was a sociological phenomenon. And in the envelopes that I have I began articles like:

Who recognizes something good in this movement?

Who was putting it down?

What is their philosophy?

Hippies that were interviewed in magazines like Ramparts or New York Times.

What are they saying about themselves?

What are people saying about them?

I realized that it was going to be stopped in some way, because it was taking hold; It captured the basic good that is in people. I don't believe in the doctrine of original sin, I believe in original goodness. And these children had it; They have it. Somebody was going to have to get them....

So I was watching how the hippie scene would be put down and what evidence there was that they had to crack it. I've mentioned on two different programs that in my neighborhood a man moved in from Texas. I think he gets tired of me talking about this, so this is the last time I'll mention him. He was dressed as a hippie, but he wasn't a hippie. He brought his children into this community. He lived a block from my house. He wrote a book for Henry Kaiser called Children of Change. (I'm repeating for somebody who hasn't heard the show.) A non-hippie from Texas, he lived here for about one or two years, walking down the coast, going the music scene. And he wrote, just prior to the Sharon Tate murders, that, "...the hippies would have made it..." —this is what Henry Kaiser published— "...would have made it if, number one: they had a sense of humor. And number two: they weren't so violent....

They did have a sense of humor and there was no violence at all. This same particular man referred to his wife and hippie-women as witches. And she wasn't a witch. She was a very establishment Texas girl who is the wife of this man that was dressed as a hippie.

He is now at the Navy post-graduate school; He's Navy. He had to be Navy Intelligence. How did he get into the Navy post-graduate school if his undergraduate school was being a hippie on Big Sur road, walking back and forth on the highway?

So this particular man had his gun and his scopes and his knives and things. And I watched, and there was no massacre. And I was watching the phenomena. How was our government going to handle it?

In the summer of 1969 there was a murder in Hollywood, California in which Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Mr. Frokowski, Abigail Folger, Steve Parent, and Mr. and Mrs. La Bianca were stabbed forty-four times. The newspaper did not know who did the murders, but it read in my mind like a military ambush. It could be no other way. It was described by people later as a military ambush. And for the reasons as this: These many people were slaughtered; nobody heard a sound; there were dogs on the grounds that didn't say boo; there was a caretaker in a guest cottage who didn't hear one gun go off, and guns went off; they didn't hear any screaming; nobody saw a getaway car; the place was completely destroyed; there was time to put hoods over the people, ropes on their neck, leave signs and symbols that would come down on a particular group of our society—two groups—and split. And no, not a dog was killed or barked. The fellow that lives on the grounds said he slept through it. And they shimmied up the telephone poles, cut the wires, left all this obvious evidence, and split. And the way the wires and the lines were cut I felt that it had to be a military type ambush.

The total effect was to appear, or wanted to appear, that if they didn't catch the murderers of these people they would come down on the blacks—that was their hope.

It's very interesting in my research on the assassinations that the very first man to publish an article on the Sharon Tate murder in my collection of the murders, before they had a suspect—the murders were in August, and they found the suspects in December—was a man named Ed Butler. In October '69 he wrote an article. The man who publishes the newspaper that he writes for is Patrick Frawley of Schick Razor and Technicolor, who is one of the third largest supporters of Richard Nixon—a far right-wing person. And he hires Ed Butler to write articles for him. Ed is an agent provaceteur who worked with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans. When Oswald had the cover story that he was a communist, Ed Butler made a record for him. [This was] when Oswald said he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba [Committee]. And he was the only member of the New Orleans area, and Ed Butler knew it. Ed Butler worked with Lee Harvey Oswald, so it's interesting that in 1969 the first person who has an opinion on who murdered these seven people would be Ed Butler; In my collection of articles we have Ed Butler. Now, what is this article called? It says Did Hate Kill Tate? And he goes into the fact that the Black Panthers are tied into the communists, and the evidence is that the Panthers killed these people; [they came] into middle class America and spread terror.

This is what we call provaceteurs, agent provaceteurs, clandestine governments: where somebody is the first one in, and he's tied with all these other people and links. And he is taking your brain now and your gray matter. In the event they don't have a suspect, he is saying here are the clues:

Number one: the hood over the draped bodies—was it a turn about for the Ku Klux Klan?

Number two: the rope found around their bodies, strung body to body is an ironic reminder to lynchings.

Number three: the words "death to pigs" that were scrawled with the human blood over the front door—was that a challenge to Blue Meanies?

Remember the Beatles made a movie about Blue Meanies. He's throwing the whole thing in.

And number four: Time magazine quoted an article that Jay Sebring was supposed to be anti-black.

So you see, Ed Butler has you in the palm of his hand. If they don't have a suspect, you're going to think that the blacks come into fancy residential homes and massacre these lovely white people.

To make that even worse, when the people were arrested they admitted on their own volition that they took the credit cards from Mr. and Mrs. La Bianca after they cut their bellies open and stuck—they went to the ice box to eat, and then took their forks and stuck the forks in their stomachs. They took out their credit cards and left them in the black part of town in Los Angeles so the people would think the blacks killed the La Biancas.

To back up my own feelings, every word from what these people said afterward confirms what I knew they were doing. They could come down on two groups, one for sure. And if they're caught they'll come down on the second. So the first group was to press fear that the blacks are now in our part of town, that they're communists, and they hate the rich.

Ed Butler goes into their motives, and he says, "Well, one of the things is that Mr. Polanski is an ex-patriot from communist Poland, and we know the Panthers are communists." And he said the hate and propaganda they have will make other people want to continue these murders. He said that the Panthers were doing this kind of murdering to test the stomach of America for future violence. Ed Butler: the authority on riots. He comes out all the time in the news. He said that they want to see how many of these massacres people will take. He's convinced that the blacks did this murder. But he is covered because when the actual facts came out it turns out that it wasn't the blacks at all. So what are you left with now? You're left with a hippie group; You're left with this great hippie clan. This is where the real problem comes in, because, as I said before, and I'll say it over and over today, Charles Manson was not a hippie.

When they arrested Charles Manson, Sue Atkins was in jail for stealing some parts to an automobile, and the chicks squealed. The police department didn't even have any clue in this murder at all; They didn't even want it; I know the Los Angeles Police Department didn't want to find them. But this particular girl broke down in jail and told another woman, and that's how they were found; The police department did not find them; Just like the FBI did not find James Earl Ray; Scotland Yard did it; when Ray just had just one foot on the plane and one foot to Rhodesia where he would never be extradited, Scotland Yard did it; the FBI didn't do it.

What happened was that the police had to go to where the Manson Family lived. And what did they find there? They found what the newspaper described as a ritualistic killing done by self-confessed hippies, in what they called a military-style commune.

First, the news media should define the word hippie. Because the hippies that I knew from '67 to '69 didn't mean a military operation in any sense of the word, nor in anybody else's mind in the world. Nor did it to the Rand Corporation, or the President of the United States, or John Mitchell. Hippie did not mean military; it was anti-military; it was anti-war; it was the let's get it together generation.

So when they found the real killer and he has this beard and guitar, we just can't call him an ex-convict. They have to call it a military-style commune. We must have military-style communes in Vietnam if a commune is where people all live together and you are military; it's a military commune. It certainly isn't a hippie commune, but they have to make it a hippie thing.

Now what did they have in the commune? They had shacks with lookout points; they had telescopes; they had walkie-talkies; they had military field telephones; they had collections of knives and shotguns; they had four-wheel drive [dune buggies]. The neighbors turned them in for threatening them. They drove all night and made so much noise that the neighbors said, "You know, you keep us awake." And they said, "Oh, we'll kill you if you don't shut up." They threatened their lives.

Then the news media picked up right away that evidently the crime had all the marks of premeditation. They mentioned then that the telephone wires were cut at the Tate home. I remember that in August, but in December when they were discovered, they went into the shears and the problem of the weapons.

Sheriff Tom Montgomery of Colin County in Texas was taking care of his cousin at the time that the police came into this little commune that Sue Atkins was talking about. Cousin Charles 'Tex' Watson was safe in Texas. He was watched by this first cousin of his. He was described as clean-cut with short hair. He was living a happy life. His girlfriend testified they were having pleasant sexual relationships. He was normal in every sense of the word. Those seven massacres that he did didn't seem to bother him at all. He didn't even mention them to her. He was not mentally sick. He was not depressed. He had a good job. And when Charles Manson and the others were arrested in Los Angeles they put this young boy, Charles Watson, in the jail with his cousin to take care of him.

Now we're going into 'Who was Charles Manson?'

GLORIA: All right, we'll do that in just a moment. You're listening to Dialogue: Assassination, with Mae Brussell. This is KLRB, stereo FM, Carmel by the Sea.

Linda Minor
03-27-2009, 01:06 PM
The second side of the Mae Brussell transcript continues, as she followed the money to Manson to conclude he was paid to be the patsy.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Transcriptions/16.html

MAE: Now we're going to talk briefly about Charles Manson and Charles Watson, the implications in this particular case, how I follow it, and why it's of interest to me. Because every case beyond what the news media tells you, you're looking for facts. Like in the Oswald case, they tell you that Oswald was a communist, or he was a misfit in society. But then when I see my documents, that he had cameras, walkie-talkies, electronic devices, and security clearances—then I want to know more about Lee Harvey Oswald. And I want to know more about Charles Manson, because he was thirty-two and he did spend twenty-two years of his life in jail.

A prominent attorney by the name of George Shibley who works with groups in the Middle East—in Beverly Hills he has powerful connections—met with Charles Manson just before he got out of jail in Treasure Island. No one will know what conversation transpired between Mr. Shibley [and Manson], or why he was up there. Or why Charles Manson is unknown. This illegitimate child of a sixteen year-old girl, no family or kin. No one would know how Charles Manson would get such a famous Beverly Hills attorney to visit him before he was paroled. No one will ever know the conversation that transpired between those men. But what we do know is that when Charles Manson got out of Treasure Island in 1967, at the height of the Haight Ashbury scene, he got a large bus. And he did not buy it. He did not have a job, and he had credit cards for gasoline. In the trial some subject was made up that one of the girls stole a credit card from her family to buy Charlie gasoline. I am sure the parents would have had him arrested before long; you can't go for two years on a stolen credit card. Charlie was never arrested. And one of the questions in one of the articles I have is, it simply said: He had a credit card. In order to do a study of a covert operation, or a murder, or a simple murder: Who paid for the gasoline for Charlie Manson?

I know being locked up for twenty-two years you may have a strong sexual drive. It may be fun to have twenty or thirty chicks around you, but they still have to eat; they still have to have housing. Who was buying the machine guns, the walkie-talkies, and the dune buggies? He was on the edge of the Mohave Desert. They didn't steal all of it; none of them were hardly ever arrested for anything. They have parts of expensive cars. They had material things that are warfare things, and they never got arrested. And the gasoline....

Where was this money coming from, from the day he left that jail until the Sharon Tate murders? Just like I follow the money from the James Ray case: from the day he left the Missouri jail he went right to a trailer the first night it was open. There was wine there; there was everything but the welcome sign, and maybe that was there. And within a day he had a car. Pretty soon he was on his way up to Canada and a resort motel and fancy place.

Where did the money come from the time Charlie Manson was in jail until the Sharon Tate murder?

Now we go to Charles Watson: This was a clean-cut boy who did these murders. He came from Texas. And the questions are: Where was he approached? How did he get into this case? Was it of his own volition?

...We don't know much—because it's never brought out at these trials—about the background of Charles Watson, except that he did appear with a beard and became part of the Manson Family. When Charles Manson was arrested, a law firm sent two lawyers who went to Texas to see this particular boy, Charles Watson. Judge David Brown said to the lawyers from Beverly Hills, California, "You take the next plane back to California. I will put you in jail for seventy-two hours or fine you if you don't get back to California." And the lawyers said, "Well, wait a minute, that's our client. We want to see him." The lawyer that wanted to see Charles Watson was named Mr. [David] DeLoach [and his partner was Perry Walshin]. He called a press conference at a Dallas Hotel, and DeLoach said this at the press conference: "I came to see my client." Charles Watson had been in his office in Los Angeles, California thirty or forty times prior to the killing of Sharon Tate and the other six people in Los Angeles. DeLoach said his own background was that he was a Republican candidate for the State Assembly in 1964, and he was chairman for the Young Republicans. He belonged to a law firm on Santa Monica Boulevard in Los Angeles. At the jail to keep Mr. DeLoach from seeing Charles Watson were twenty Texas highway patrolmen and sheriff's deputies guarding him [newspapers actually give the number as 39]. And they fought the extradition for eight months.

When you're talking about conspiracies, Watson's defense has to go into every avenue to develop his claim that Charlie Manson masterminded him and programmed the group; that the hippie-youth-magic, Satan kind of thing, controlled him to use his knife to kill these people. Prior to meeting Manson, he was not involved in any kind of violence or altercation.

I have seen no record, publicly, that Mr. Watson had a traffic violation or any kind of problem. This twenty year-old boy needed an attorney from the Young Republican Committee forty times. I know what the expenses are to meet with any attorney, even for one hour. People use attorneys or public defenders if they have small altercations. But to go to a prominent law office of a man named Mr. DeLoach thirty to forty times prior to the time that you're going to kill seven people is worth investigating. And it's particularly worth investigating because the boy isn't even really considered a criminal or a murderer. When the trial for Charlie Manson took place this boy was in Texas, and they fought the extradition, and he later wouldn't be associated as part of that clan but as the robot or the product of that society.

The psychiatrist claims that when the decision was made to remove Charles Watson to California he became a catatonic, schizophrenic vegetable in a fetal position. Eight months in Texas he was doing just fine; he didn't lose a pound; he didn't lose a night's sleep; he was just having a good time. And when the decision came to bring him to California he became very sick. The prosecution claims that he was faking this; that when the psychiatrist looked the other way he would take a different posture and he would talk to people. The jury has been out for two days trying to decide if Charles Watson was guilty of those murders. They have to deliberate two days when it is common knowledge that he was in the homes and he did the murders. And Manson was never in the homes where those seven people were killed....

The first article I told you about was in October '69: Did Hate Kill Tate? That was the first opinion about who did it by Ed Butler....

In November there was a very objective article saying: The Grand Jury is to End the Probe of these 7 Deaths. That they don't know what to do.

Now, in December they began to describe Watson as a, in quotes, "man". They called him a man. And that Manson was the "hippie", that "guru Satan" that influenced the man. The man did the killings, and that hippie guru Satan influenced him.

They have on December 2nd: Nomadic hippies in the Tate murders.

December the 3rd: 3 Suspects in Tate Case Tied to Guru.

December the 4th: Accused Killers Live Nomad Life with Magnetic Guru.

December the 4th another paper said: Hypnotic Killers - Hippie Bands, They're Controlled by an Evil Genius.

Another headline: Father Became a Hippie, Looking for Sharon Tate Clues. Sharon Tate's father, dressed as a hippie looked around with drug addicts and vagabonds for four months. He was in Army Intelligence, and he was looking for the hippies who killed his daughter....

Life magazine published a cover of Lee Harvey Oswald holding a gun. The shadows—the discrepancies of the murder are horrendous. They implant in your mind: This is the boy, This is the gun. None of it was true. Life magazine had a cover of James Earl Ray—This poverty-ridden, depressed prisoner who killed Martin Luther King. They said he was an orphan. None of that was true; Remember, his father was living; All of that was untrue.

Life magazine, December the 19th, has a large cover of Charlie Manson's eyes all blown up. Not in Texas. Not wanting to understand the American phenomena of hostility behind a blue suit and a white shirt and a neck tie and short hair—the killer. Not wanting to know how the Whitman boy is killed; how the college people kill. The brain children, one of the brightest children in this town—Charles Watson. Nobody's doing psychological, sociological studies on the actual killers. No. Life magazine has a cover of Manson. Nobody would sleep at night or give a kid on the road a ride if and when you saw Manson's eyes. Not a chance. They call it Love and Terror Cult....

Then—headline: Manson's Race Theory Rested on the Beatles. Then began a long attack on the Beatles.

Now those are the headlines of one month in December. That went on for one year. The consequence is in Carmel Valley or down to Big Sur: How many people would you pick up today? How many people do you put in your car? Or give a lift to? Or take into your home? Who would you trust? Who is disguised as a hippie with a knife that is going to come down on you?

I was in my neighbor's home across the street from me one day and we were talking about something, and a man from the police force in Seaside—a black man—had come there, and he didn't know who I was. We were rapping. He had been down at Lime Kiln Creek and he had lived with hippies for two weeks, and smoked their grass, and probably enjoyed the sex and the relationships and the vibe. And he was going home; he was on his way home to Seaside to clean and shave, and then go back down and make a bust on those people. He was going to take his beard off. I have seen it. I've lived with it. You can't give a lift because the agent provocateurs, the covert government, is working. It's working in our city. And I can say it works on a national scale.

You read in the paper yesterday, maybe, how much of the Pentagon Papers is not being published and why it's being withheld. The large part of it is the covert relationship to Vietnam, the agents in disguise in Laos, or in Vietnam; our hidden war. The Manson thing is a hidden war. It's a hidden war against the youth, and it worked. If you take enough agents and give [kids] blades, or give them money, or give them the assurance that if they're arrested they'll get off, these kids will mess up....

Now, who were the lawyers involved in these cases? How do they overlap? Joseph Ball, from the Warren Commission, was in with Sue Atkins, the girl who's to turn state evidence.

A man named Lawrence Schiller made a record with Jack Ruby on January the 2nd, 1967, in which Ruby said there was no conspiracy to kill Oswald, and he was not a part of a conspiracy. It was made for Capital Records. I knew that Ruby would be dead within days because it was now recorded for history that there was no conspiracy. No one could see Jack Ruby except Capital Records. The only person who could see him was Lawrence Schiller.

January the 4th, two days later, Ruby was dead. The morning I read in my paper that Capital Records got into that hospital room and got this recording of Ruby's voice, I knew then that now Ruby could leave this earth. You see, it's all down for posterity.

This same Lawrence Schiller is the man who gave Sue Atkins $150,000 to turn the state's evidence to say that Manson masterminded the murders. She made $150,000. It was described as an unusual legal trick. Joseph Ball, who worked with the Warren Commission, was with parties involved in the Sharon Tate massacre. George Shibley, who worked with Sirhan—and McKissick was in his office—they worked with the Sirhan case. They were in on the Sharon Tate case. The lawyers overlap.

Lawrence Schiller wrote a book about the Sharon Tate massacres, and this is the way his book starts. He paid a huge amount to Sue Atkins to turn state's evidence. I'm going to read you what he had to say. I read you what Ed Butler, who worked with Oswald, said. Here is Schiller, he said:


Where did it all start?...we can see them going to San Francisco with flowers in their hair...the "flower children"... The Haight-Ashbury hippie... linked together in the history of America's 1960's.

I'm going to stop the quote now to say this is where we started this hour. I began in '67 with those flower children and started a file in my filing system on the flower children, knowing that within two to three years everything would break down on their heads. Now, it's interesting that Lawrence Schiller begins his book:

Where did it all start?...We see them on the road.

He said:


...a movement which sprang from multiple revolutions of the sixties, the new morality, the revolt of the youth. The middle-class watched, relieved, happy to be spectators.

When the Sharon Tate murders happened, he says it was because two out-groups fell upon the other. The people that were making it with their loose sex (he implies) and the drugs. It was two out-groups hitting at each other.

Now he goes into:


Young people had always followed pretty much the precepts of their forbearers until the 1960's came...But mass communication changed our youth. They could travel, they had experiences, information, money...How could young people thus inundated with the facts of life believe the puritan ethic.

I'm going to digress again; stop the quote. We talked about Greece. I was watching Greece for two years. I was watching the hippies. Here is Lawrence Schiller in on the thick of everything, telling you just where I was two years earlier watching how it was going to come down. Now we're getting back to his quotations:


The young people, having rejected the ethics, rejected the laws which were based upon them. They were ripe for new liberation...

And then he perverts the whole thing and says when Charlie Manson came along, he was the chemical messiah. And the essence of their lives were anti-establishment. They had thrown down the puritan ethics and the laws.

He implies they could become lawless and amoral and throw around their sex and their bodies, and they latched on to what he calls the "chemical messiah."

Now who bought the LSD and the chemicals? Did our government pay Charlie's way? His bus? His gas? Was he a chemical messiah, or was he designed out of Texas? Or Mussell Shoals, Alabama, where everything else is designed, and the lawyers are sent? Who designed Charlie Manson? Lawrence Schiller is telling you he's a chemical messiah. I'm saying somebody bought his chemistry; he didn't; It wasn't all handed to him. The government brought it to him and put on his costume; his leather coat and his guitar, and said, "Charlie, get on the road."

Schiller says Manson drifted into the hippie scene. And he admits he's another ex-con seeking protective coloration from the hippies. I claim he was an ex-con who went into the hippie scene to pick up the jargon, to do a job like the mafia does a job like we do in Vietnam, like a soldier goes out to kill. We send boys out to Fort Ord for six weeks training, chanting: "Kill the commies!" They pick up the jargon of the jungle because they're gonna be in the jungle. They didn't arrive that way, we teach them the jargon. Charlie Manson was taught because he was going to pretend to be a hippie. He hated being called a hippie—the book mentions it; He disliked being called a hippie.

So they put him in a beat up school bus and they called it the Manson Family and they headed south. Manson learned to play the guitar, to sing, and write music. That was his last occupation. This is what he was trained for in the federal prison. Lawrence Schiller tells you in a federal prison they rehabilitate you to go out on the street. They bought Charlie a guitar. He had an inkling for music, and he was a natural. He's probably horny as hell and wanting to get on the road anyway. He had all this hostility. He said, "I did it because I wanted to make it look like the blacks were doing it. I want to speed up a race war." He's violently anti-black. And he could sing a song and carry a tune. He had the natural hatred. And he loved the chicks. He was just perfect for the role; he was just ripe for it.

Schiller went on that his livelihood, when they let him out of prison, was that he was going to be a musician. Lawrence Schiller says:


...here was Charles Manson, a year out of prison, mingling with Hollywood stars in 1968... The Manson Family was, somehow, making it with the Establishment...And Manson was going to some of Hollywood's plushest parties.

Lawrence Schiller is telling you that a year later Charlie is right in there with the biggest people of all. That's pretty interesting considering the lawyer that he saw before he got out of Treasure Island, and the lawyer that Tex Watson is seeing before these crimes are committed. These boys were wined and dined in the music scene, in the art scene, by certain people before the massacres took place.

Lawrence Schiller says:


...in the true sense of the word, the Manson Family weren't hippies... Manson didn't like being called a hippie. The hippies don't like it either.

Well, I guarantee Lawrence Schiller that the hippies didn't like it either. He knows they didn't. He said the hippies didn't like it. I know they didn't. It ended everything that was really good that was coming down. And then he concludes the introduction to his book on Sharon Tate saying:


It was a strange Satanic whim that sent those people into Benedict Canyon.

And I claim it was more that a satanic whim, that the book Mr. Kaiser puts out in Oakland, and advertises in Esquire magazine, and the use of this word Satan and witchcraft is a conceived program that disguises the covert government to come down on this generation. And it has succeeded. Nobody really feels safe in the area or around the country. The effect that they wanted has happened, you see.

I gave just a sentence from an article last week. I'm going back to conclude with a few remarks of Marshal Singer. It was an article that was printed in April, 1970:

Observations on the Sharon Tate massacre and Charlie Manson

He says:

Charlie Manson is certainly an enigmatic. Is he a victim or a monster? He's equal parts of Charlie Chaplan and Jack the Ripper. He had been arrested thirty-seven times in his thirty-five years.

And Manson said:


I'll tell you I'm not from your society. I've spent most of my life in a world of bars and solitary confinement. And my philosophy comes from underneath the boots and the sticks and the clubs that they beat people with, who come from the wrong side of the tracks. People like me are society's scapegoats.

And this is James Ray, the same thing: society's scapegoats.

Jack Ruby is society's scapegoat. He can be used. He's Jewish. He's poor. He's kicked around by the anti-Semitics, the rich oil people. He's used when they want. He's stepped on when they want. He is just a pushed-around kid who wanted to make it in this world and be recognized as just what he is. And always carrying this heavy load of anti-Semitism, an underdog, playing a game with the military and the mafia and the oil people for approval and affection: "If I do your work will you love me now?" The minute he shot Oswald, Jack Ruby said, "I wanted to prove to them that I had guts." And he took the challenge.

And Manson is saying: "People like me are society's scapegoats."

The article by Marshall Singer goes on to say that Lawrence Schiller got the confession of this Atkins girl. She was twenty-one, pretty, and she would say that she was victimized by Manson. She had to hold Sharon Tate in her arms so Charles 'Tex' Watson could stab this particular female who was pregnant, and all the other people.

Manson had a lot of hostility. He tells you he was kicked around. His plans were to assemble these dune buggies and have an armada against the pigs, against the black people, against the cops; he would kill cops. He'd been arrested all these times. He'd been in isolation. He would kill them, but he would make it look like blacks did it. He would be getting even with blacks and cops at the same time. He hoped to wipe out both groups that he hated so much.

The article does say that in the early sixties we had our own magical potions, and we had a handsome young president who held out promises. And when he was killed a lot of the dreams went away. When people like Manson break in with us it is a reality too complex and to banal to understand.

In one hour it's hard for me to really rap up the complexity of this because each week we talk about the covert government, the overthrow, change in the economic system. This is what the Sharon Tate massacre is about. I hope that in this one brief hour you can understand how minds all over the world can be effected by killing just seven people, and perverting the news media everyday and every hour to keep this image going. The truth of the murders is different than what the news is saying.

GLORIA: Thank you, Mae. I don't see how you got it in one hour, but you seem to do it. Thank you.

MAE: Okay.

(End)

David Guyatt
03-27-2009, 02:23 PM
Fascinating Linda. Mae is always an education to read.

Magda Hassan
03-27-2009, 02:33 PM
I have a file that started in '67, and every article from all the magazines or books that I could get follows up who overthrew Greece: the Litton Industry, the fascists in this country put those edicts in there. Now if they put them in there and it worked they could put them down on us.Can some one clarify for me what Mae is referring to here? Greece - Litton industry? Edicts?

Magda Hassan
03-27-2009, 02:36 PM
So I was watching how the hippie scene would be put down and what evidence there was that they had to crack it. I've mentioned on two different programs that in my neighborhood a man moved in from Texas. I think he gets tired of me talking about this, so this is the last time I'll mention him. He was dressed as a hippie, but he wasn't a hippie. He brought his children into this community. He lived a block from my house. He wrote a book for Henry Kaiser called Children of Change. (I'm repeating for somebody who hasn't heard the show.) A non-hippie from Texas, he lived here for about one or two years, walking down the coast, going the music scene. And he wrote, just prior to the Sharon Tate murders, that, "...the hippies would have made it..." —this is what Henry Kaiser published— "...would have made it if, number one: they had a sense of humor. And number two: they weren't so violent....

He is now at the Navy post-graduate school; He's Navy. He had to be Navy Intelligence. How did he get into the Navy post-graduate school if his undergraduate school was being a hippie on Big Sur road, walking back and forth on the highway?
This is the same person (****) that Jan and Krassner refer to in the top post on this page, yes?

Henry Kaiser the musician is the grandson of Henry Kaiser the industrialist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kaiser_(musician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_J._Kaiser I wonder why the pseudo hippy from Texas who was really naval intel was writing a book for Henry Kaiser about children changing?

David Guyatt
03-27-2009, 03:22 PM
On Greece, it would've been the General's coup d'etat, of 1967 (The Greek military junta) I think Magda.

Linda Minor
03-27-2009, 07:42 PM
On Greece, it would've been the General's coup d'etat, of 1967 (The Greek military junta) I think Magda.

Go to the url I pasted. I edited out some of what she said about Greece. She made reference to what was happening with Papandreau just before the flower children began moving into California. She said she'd been following all that for about two years when she noticed that the new generation coming to California was not materialistic. I think she equated them with something she'd been seeing in the news that was happening in Greece and knew that non-materialism would be viewed as anti-patriotic, anti-capitalistic, and would be destroyed.

She predicted what would happen with the peace movement based on what happened in Greece shortly before.

I looked up the book she mentioned called Children of Change, and it was written by the director of publications at Kaiser Aluminum and Chemicals--Don Fabun. I'm not sure that's who she was referring to, however.

Linda Minor
03-27-2009, 07:59 PM
Here's the Ed Butler she talked about:
http://www.ctka.net/butler.html

...Edward S. Butler was born in 1934 to an upper class New Orleans family. He went into the Army Management School from 1957-59 at Fort Belvoir, Virginia. When he returned home he took a position as an account executive with Brown, Friedman and Company, an advertising firm. But, according to New Orleans authority Arthur Carpenter, his service in the military affected all his later adult life. Butler wrote that at the time of his service he became interested "in psycho-politics and particularly Soviet applications." As Carpenter notes, in June of 1960, Butler wrote an article in Public Relations Journal, which became a declaration for his later career as a propagandist. There he wrote about the Communist threat to America and how a spirit of crisis had to be created to resist it; how America had to use propaganda to counter the Soviets' skill in that field; how public relations experts like himself had to be recruited in this endeavor; and finally how private funds had to be enlisted to finance this war and his efforts. He also proposed that this effort would serve as a complement to the State Department, USIA, CIA, free institutions abroad, and the various legislative committees dealing with trade information, foreign aid and the like. In short, a private adjunct to America's foreign policy apparatus. The article turned out to be his vocational outline.

Some of the people Butler recruited in New Orleans to help finance his propaganda efforts were Clay Shaw and Lloyd Cobb of the International Trade Mart and Alton Ochsner, the extremely conservative physician and philanthropist. By 1961 he had become involved in two associations that were meant to fight this propaganda war: the Free Voice of Latin America and the American Institute for Freedom Project. The former had its office in Shaw's International Trade Mart and through the latter Butler engaged both Ochsner and Guy Banister, who was Oswald's handler in New Orleans in the summer of 1963. But according to an investigation by Jim Garrison, Butler was so imperious and abrasive within the former group that he was forced out in 1961.

At that time, Butler began to organize its successor organization, the Information Council of the Americas, or INCA. This was to be, in essence, a propaganda mill that had as its targets Central and South America, and the Caribbean. It would create broadcasts, called Truth Tapes, which would be recycled through those areas and, domestically, stage rallies and fund raisers to both energize its base and collect funds to redouble its efforts. By this time, as Carpenter and others point out, Butler was now in communication with people like Charles Cabell, Deputy Director of the CIA, and Ed Lansdale, the legendary psy-ops master within the Agency who was shifting his focus from Vietnam to Cuba. These contacts helped him get access to Cuban refugees who he featured on these tapes. Declassified documents reveal the Agency helped distribute the tapes to about 50 stations in South America by 1963. There is some evidence that the CIA furnished Butler with films of Cuban exile training camps and that he was in contact with E. Howard Hunt --- under one of his aliases --- who supervised these exiles in New Orleans. Some of the local elite who joined or helped INCA would later figure in the Oswald story e.g. Eustis Reily of Reily Coffee Company, where Oswald worked; Edgar Stern who owned the local NBC station WDSU where Oswald was to appear; and Alberto Fowler, a friend of Shaw's; plus future Warren Commissioner Hale Boggs who helped INCA get tax-exempt status. Butler also began to befriend ground level operators in the CIA's anti-Castro effort like David Ferrie, Oswald's friend in New Orleans; Sergio Arcacha Smith, one of Hunt's prime agents in New Orleans; and Gordon Novel, who worked with Banister, Smith and apparently, David Phillips, on an aborted telethon for the exiles....

http://cuban-exile.com/doc_076-100/doc0078.html

...Along with founder Ed Butler, the most important member of INCA was famed physician Dr. Alton Ochsner. Ochsner, 38 years Butler's senior formed a partnership with his younger colleague which would last twenty years. Ed Butler, who didn't have a great knowledge of Latin American affairs, benefited substantially from the association with the celebrated doctor. Alton Ochsner had an internationalist outlook---especially when it pertained to the field of medicine. Ochsner felt medicine transcended national boundaries, and had trained many physician exchange students from Latin America since the 1920s. His prominence as an international physician led him to be elected to leadership of both the International Trade Mart and International House in the 1960s. Both business groups promoted Latin American trade for New Orleans, and had been founded immediately after World War II. Ochsner also was elected to the presidency of the Cordell Hull Foundation which administered a program of Inter-American university study.

Ochsner fit the mode of the wealthy educated elite. He was elderly and encouraged other New Orleans prominent and wealthy citizens to join INCA. Ochsner's persuasiveness helped Ed Butler recruit United Fruit's Joseph W. Montgomery, Delta Steamship Line's John W. Clark, International Trade Mart's William Zetzmann and William B. Reily of Reily Coffee Company. The local Catholic hierarchy also joined with Archbishop Phillip M. Hannan and Dean of Loyola University Law School AE Papale becoming members. INCA also received endorsements from Mayor deLesseps Morrison and Congressman Hale Boggs....


So basically, Mae was saying that the JFK, RFK and King hits as well as the Sharon Tate et al murders were planned and carried out by the same propaganda machine that already was grooming Manson to take the fall in order to bring down the hippie peace movement. She was also saying that the same fascists groomed the sons and daughters of the military intelligence personnel to move into California to take over the folk music industry and turn it into hard rock to sell drugs and create havoc.

Jan Klimkowski
03-27-2009, 08:02 PM
Linda - thanks. I read Mae Brussell's articles many years ago, and she speaks much truth.

Here's my take on some of it:


Mae Brussell wrote:

I've mentioned on two different programs that in my neighborhood a man moved in from Texas. I think he gets tired of me talking about this, so this is the last time I'll mention him. He was dressed as a hippie, but he wasn't a hippie. He brought his children into this community. He lived a block from my house. He wrote a book for Henry Kaiser called Children of Change. (I'm repeating for somebody who hasn't heard the show.) A non-hippie from Texas, he lived here for about one or two years, walking down the coast, going the music scene. And he wrote, just prior to the Sharon Tate murders, that, "...the hippies would have made it..." —this is what Henry Kaiser published— "...would have made it if, number one: they had a sense of humor. And number two: they weren't so violent....

They did have a sense of humor and there was no violence at all. This same particular man referred to his wife and hippie-women as witches. And she wasn't a witch. She was a very establishment Texas girl who is the wife of this man that was dressed as a hippie.

He is now at the Navy post-graduate school; He's Navy. He had to be Navy Intelligence. How did he get into the Navy post-graduate school if his undergraduate school was being a hippie on Big Sur road, walking back and forth on the highway?

This is the character I mentioned in posts #10 & 11 earlier in this thread, the "CIA guy" that Sadie Mae Glutz "fucked", but who Mae believed was more likely to be ONI. The original research was directly Mae Brussell's.


Mae Brussell wrote:

I have a file that started in '67, and every article from all the magazines or books that I could get follows up who overthrew Greece: the Litton Industry, the fascists in this country put those edicts in there. Now if they put them in there and it worked they could put them down on us.

Here, I believe Mae is primarily referring to Gladio - the Nazi/NATO deep black, deeply reactionary, structures.


When Greece joined NATO in 1952, the country's special forces, the LOK (Lochoi Orein?n Katadrom?n, i.e. "Mountain Raiding Companies") were integrated into the European stay-behind network. The CIA and LOK reconfirmed on March 25, 1955 their mutual co-operation in a secret document signed by US General Trascott for the CIA, and Konstantinos Dovas, chief of staff of the Greek military. In addition to preparing for a Soviet invasion, the CIA instructed LOK to prevent a leftist coup. Former CIA agent Philip Agee, who was sharply criticized in the US for having revealed sensitive information, insisted that "paramilitary groups, directed by CIA officers, operated in the sixties throughout Europe [and he stressed that] perhaps no activity of the CIA could be as clearly linked to the possibility of internal subversion."[58]

The LOK was involved in the Greek military coup d'État on April 21, 1967,[59][not in citation given] which took place one month before the scheduled national elections for which opinion polls predicted an overwhelming victory of the centrist Center Union of George and Andreas Papandreou. Under the command of paratrooper Lieutenant Colonel Costas Aslanides, the LOK took control of the Greek Defence Ministry while Brigadier General Stylianos Pattakos gained control over communication centers, the parliament, the royal palace, and according to detailed lists, arrested over 10,000 people. Phillips Talbot, the US ambassador in Athens, disapproved of the military coup which established the "Regime of the Colonels" (1967-1974), complaining that it represented "a rape of democracy" - to which Jack Maury, the CIA chief of station in Athens, answered: "How can you rape a whore?"

For clarity, "European stay behind network" = Gladio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#Greece


Mae Brussell wrote:

You read in the paper yesterday, maybe, how much of the Pentagon Papers is not being published and why it's being withheld. The large part of it is the covert relationship to Vietnam, the agents in disguise in Laos, or in Vietnam; our hidden war. The Manson thing is a hidden war.

Here Mae is referring to the Phoenix Program, which was - in part - where MK-ULTRA shrinks got to do whatever They liked, with no questions asked.

That "mind control technology", that supposed ability to create Manchurian Candidates, was in fact deeply flawed. But, as Narut indavertently revealed, They were experimenting with psychopathic murderers & military killers in the quest for programmable assassins. Automatic killers.

See my comments in the thread below about the Symbionese Liberation Army, who were the direct result of Phoenix technology being used by a Phoenix veteran in American prisons. This led to the truly surreal position of the MK-ULTRA (& probable Phoenix) shrinks testifying in court that Patty Hearst was indeed a created, multiple personality, Manchurian Candidate.

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223&highlight=westbrook

Mae Brussell is also entirely correct in suggesting that if any member of the Manson Family was a genuine Manchurian Candidate, then it wasn't Charlie.

It was Charles "Tex" Watson.

Watson links to The Process Church of the Final Judgement, and a bunch of Brits.

Jan Klimkowski
03-27-2009, 09:37 PM
With regard to Gladio in general, there is a very interesting PhD manuscript by Daniele Ganser available at the link below. NB it's a near 3Mb pdf file:

http://www.325collective.com/gladio-ganser.pdf

On the Greek coup d'etat, Ganser writes:


As Papandreou challenged the KYP, Norbert Anshutz, US Deputy Chief of
Mission of the US embassy, came to see him and advised him to rescind his
orders to the KYP. Andreas Papandreou refused and ordered the US official to
leave his office, whereupon Anshutz angrily warned that 'there would be consequences'.
27 The military coup d'etat came on the night of April 20/21, 1967, one
month before the scheduled elections for which opinion polls, including those of
the CIA, predicted an overwhelming victory of the left-leaning Centre Union of
George and Andreas Papandreou. The secret army Hellenic Raiding Force started
the coup which was based on the Prometheus plan, a NATO-designed scheme to be
put into action in the event of a Communist insurgency. In the event of opposition,
Prometheus was unequivocal: 'Smash, without hesitation, any probable enemy
resistance.'28 Around midnight the Hellenic Raiding force took control over the
Greek Defence Ministry which in admiration for the United States had been
baptised Pentagon. They met little to no resistance and under the command of
Lieutenant Colonel Costas Aslanides, a trained paratrooper, the building was
secured. After the coup leaders controlled the Pentagon, phase two of the plan
started and in the dark of night tanks with flashlights rolled into the capital and
under the command of Brigadier General Sylianos Pattakos rounded up the
parliament, the royal palace, the radio and the communication centres. Pattakos
directed his column along the same route into the city taken by the Germans
when they had conquered Athens in April 1941. Occasionally the tanks stopped,
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the officers looked around for signs of opposition. But there was none Athens
was asleep.
Also 78-year-old George Papandreou was asleep that night in his modest,
whitewashed villa in Kastri, just outside the capital. The procedure, as in every
military coup, was frightfully simple. Armed men knocked at his door, Papandreou
was arrested and driven away in one of two military vehicles that had surrounded
the house. At the same time eight men burst into the house of Andreas Papandreou,
seven with fixed bayonets, one with a machine gun. A commotion followed, and
Andreas escaped to the roof, but a soldier found his 14-year-old son, and, holding
a gun to the boy's head, forced the younger Papandreou to give up. In the space
of some five hours, over 10,000 people were arrested by military squads according
to detailed files and planning, and were taken to 'reception centres'.
Colonel Yannis Ladas, the 47-year-old Director of the Greek military police,
a year later in an interview took pride in the precision and speed with which the
NATO plan had been implemented. 'Within twenty minutes every politician,
every man and anarchist who was listed could be rounded up... it was a very
simple, diabolic plan.'29 The Greek population waking up in the morning found
first of all that their phones were not working and soon thereafter that the military
had taken over control. At 6 a.m. Colonel George Papadopoulos declared through
the media that he had taken over power in order to secure democracy, freedom
and happiness. Eleven articles of the constitution were suspended. People could
now be arrested on the spot and without warrant, to be brought before military
courts. Demonstrations and strikes were outlawed and bank deposits were frozen.
The new ruler George Papadopoulos had operated as KYP's liaison officer with
the CIA ever since 1952 and within the KYP was known to be the trusted man of
CIA chief of station Maury. Yet not all officials of the United States agreed with the
brutal procedure of the CIA. US Senator Lee Metcalf, days after the coup, criticised
the administration of President Johnson sharply when on Capitol Hill he
denounced the Greek junta as 'a military regime of collaborators and Nazi
sympathisers... [who are] receiving American aid' .30 And the US ambassador in
Athens, Phillips Talbot, complained to Maury one week after the brutal change of
power that the US coup represented 'a rape of democracy'. Maury answered:
'How can you rape a whore?'31
Due to the direct involvement of the Hellenic Raiding Force the Greek military
coup has been labelled 'a Gladio coup'. Only in one other country, namely in
Turkey, the secret anti-Communist armies were equally involved in coup d'etats.
In Italy the Gladio network carried out a 'silent coup' in June 1964 when CIA's
trusted General De Lorenzo in operation 'Piano Solo' entered Rome with tanks,
armoured personnel carriers, jeeps and grenade launchers while NATO forces
staged a large military manoeuvre in the area which led the Socialists to silently
abandon their ministerial posts. US historian Bernard Cook has rightly
stressed that 'Plan Solo resembles the subsequent Prometheus Plan utilised
by Colonel George Papadopoulos in 1967 to impose a military government on
Greece. With its intent to destabilise Italy to prevent the advance of the Left, the
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plan was no more than "a carbon copy of Gladio".'32 And military expert Collin
agrees that 'What De Lorenzo had in mind was a plan similar in its mechanical
aspects to the one successfully executed a few years later by Colonel Papadopoulos
of Greece.'33
The Greek junta consolidated its power through a regime of imprisonment and
torture, the like of which had not been seen in Western Europe since the end of
the Second World War. Most of those who had been arrested in the first hours after
the coup were later moved to police and army cells. Communists, Socialists,
artists, academics, journalists, students, politically active women, priests, including
their friends and families, were tortured. Their toe and fingernails were torn out.
Their feet were beaten with sticks, until the skin came off and the bones were
broken. Sharp objects were shoved into vaginas. Filthy rags, often soaked in
urine, and sometimes excrement, were pushed down their throats to throttle them,
tubes were inserted into their anus and water driven in under very high pressure,
and electro shocks were applied to their head.34 'We are all democrats here'
Inspector Basil Lambro, the chief of the secret police in Athens, was fond of
stressing. 'Everybody who comes here talks. You're not spoiling our record.' The
sadist torturer made it clear to his victims: 'We are the government, you are nothing.
The government isn't alone. Behind the government are the Americans.' If in
the mood Basil also offered his analysis of world politics: 'The whole world is in
two parts, the Russians and the Americans. We are the Americans. Be grateful
we've only tortured you a little. In Russia, they'd kill you.'35
The Italian right and their secret soldiers were impressed with how efficiently
the Greeks together with the CIA had defeated the left.

Jan Klimkowski
03-27-2009, 11:19 PM
I view Mae Brussell as something of a soothsayer.

She was a meticulous researcher. But she was also blessed with the gift of reading the entrails, of knowing where the skeletons lie.

In January 1984, she published:


The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Nazi%20Connection%20to%20JFK%20Assass.html

It was not until around 1990 that information about the NATO/Gehlen stay behind networks of Operation Gladio started to leak into the public domain.

If Mae's paper above is read in the light of what we now know about Gladio, its prescience is extraordinary.

From Daniele Ganser's PhD manuscript on Gladio:


'The setting up of Stay-Behind organisations of the NATO countries started
already shortly after the end of the Second World War', the official German
governmental report on the stay-behind confirmed in 1990.2 After the defeat of
Germany in 1945 the chaotic post-war conditions were ideal for the United States
to set up a stay-behind. As occupying power the US armies controlled the territory
together with the French, British and the Soviet forces in their respective zones.
Above all the supply of thoroughly anti-Communist men trained in guerrilla warfare
and experienced with arms and explosives was abundant. And thus the United
States secretly recruited former Nazis for the German stay-behind network. In the
midst of the Gladio revelations in 1990 the private TV channel RTL shocked the
German public by revealing in a special Gladio report that former members of
Hitler's dreaded SS, who under Hitler had hunted the Communists, had been part
of Germany's Gladio network.
The US Army General's Staff Top Secret March 28, 1949 Overall Strategic
Concepts highlighted that Germany 'has an excellent potential of trained men for
both underground and Secret Army Reserves [stay-behind units]. Effective resistance
can and should be organized.'3 On the orders of the Pentagon in Washington the
newly created US Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC) tracked down German Nazis
and brought them to the Numberg trials, while the CIC also secretly recruited
selected right-wing extremists for the anti-Communist army. This practice of the
Pentagon was revealed only in 1986 when the US Department of Justice in a
large press conference - which had maybe drawn the biggest crowd of journalists
in Washington since the Watergate days - admitted that the CIC had recruited a
high-ranking Nazi in the post-war years. Specifically a 600-page long study,
compiled by Allan Ryan for the US Justice Department, confirmed that SS and
Gestapo officer Klaus Barbie had been recruited by the CIC in 1947, had thereafter
been hidden from the war crimes investigators and had then been spirited out of
Europe to Argentina through a clandestine 'ratline' in 1951.
Barbie was saved not because the United States secret service officers were
impressed with his moral record, but because he was most useful in the setting up
of the German stay-behind network. 'Among those who were recruited and
did some recruiting for the scheme in the first years', the British press reported
during the Gladio revelations, 'were an ex-SS Obersturmfuhrer, Hans Otto, and
other smaller fish. But the prize catch was Klaus Barbie who functioned as a
recruiter for ex-Nazis and members of the fascist Bund Deutscher Jugend
(BDJ).'4 Barbie, during the war known as the 'Butcher of Lyon', had during his
stay in the French town from 1943 to 1944 been responsible for the murder of at
least 4,000 resistance workers and Jews, as well as the deportation of another
15,000 to concentration death camps. Barbie was condemned to death in absentia by
a French court soon after the war for crimes against humanity as witnesses
described him as a sadistic torturer, who terrified men, women and children with
his whip and Alsatian dog.
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The US Justice Department, during its 1986 press conference did not reveal
the use of Barbie for the stay-behind and wrongly stressed that next to Barbie
'no other case was found where a suspected Nazi war criminal was placed in the
ratline, or where the ratline was used to evacuate a person wanted by either the United
States government or any of its post-war allies'.5 This claim was false as the
most prominent Nazi reunited by the CIC was not the Butcher of Lyon Klaus
Barbie but Hitler's General Reinhard Gehlen. General Gehlen had started his
secret service career under Hitler when in April 1942 he became chief of Fremde
Heere Ost (FHO, Foreign Armies Fast) with the task to combat the Soviet Union.
'Gehlen derived much of his information from his role in one of the most terrible
atrocities of the war: the torture, interrogation, and murder by starvation of some
4 million Soviet prisoners of war', US historian Christopher Simpson found in
his detailed account of the US recruitment of Nazis.6 Gehlen was well aware of
the fact that his war crimes had earned him the merit to appear on the blacklist of
the Soviet secret service NKVD. When he realised that Germany was losing the war
he therefore made sure that the Russians would not get him by delivering himself
to the US CIC on May 20, 1945.
General Gehlen was right in assuming that the data which he had collected
during his torture operations on the Soviet Union and its Communists was of
great interest to the United States. Together with a small group of senior Nazi
officers he had therefore at the end of the war carefully microfilmed the extensive
FHO data on the USSR, had packed the films in watertight steel drums and had
secretly buried these in meadows in the Austrian Alps. After several weeks of
CIC internment Gehlen got into contact with US General Edwin Luther Siber to
whom he revealed his secret. The US General was so impressed that he promoted
Gehlen's career in the years to come. He introduced Gehlen to senior US intelligence
officials, including General Walter Bedell Smith, then the highest US Army
intelligence officer in Europe, and later Director of the CIA from 1950 to 1953.
Siber also introduced Gehlen to General William Donovan, chief of the US wartime
secret service Office of Strategic Services (OSS), and Allen Dulles of the OSS,
later chief of the CIA, as well as Frank Wisner of the OSS, later chief of CIA's
OPC which set up the European stay-behind network.7
With Gehlen's help the US dug up the FHO microfilms in Austria and in
August 1945 Siber shipped Gehlen with his data to Washington for debriefing.
President Truman was impressed and named Gehlen, together with a large number
of Gehlen's Nazi network, chief of the first post-war German secret service, tellingly
named Organisation Gehlen (ORG). 'In the end Gehlen', historian Simpson
concludes, 'and several hundred other senior German officers succeeded in making
deals with Britain or the United States... General Gehlen, however, proved to be
the most important of them all.'8 With US financial and material help ORG
headquarters were first erected in Oberursel near Frankfurt, and then moved to
the former Waffen SS training facility Pullach near Munich, still today site of the
headquarters of the German secret service Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND).
Clandestinely CIA and ORG signed cooperation contacts and CIA senior officer
James Criitchfield was deployed to Germany. Called 'Herr Marshall' by the Germans,
Critchfield monitored Gehlen's service and made sure that at all times the names
of Gehlen's top 150 officers were given to him. For each of them the CIA created
a file. So that the German secret service was firmly in US hands.
Erhard Dabringhaus who had worked with the US CIC in Germany from 1948
to 1949 recalled in a documentary on Gladio that he himself had taken part in the
recruitment of Nazis, an activity which he strongly resented. 'In 1948 I was a special
agent with CIC, that's our counterintelligence corps in occupied Germany',
retired Dabringhaus explained. 'I was stationed in Augsberg, and since I spoke
fluent German I was assigned to handle a network of German informants, among
them was Klaus Barbie, and Klaus Barbie was, ehm... later on I discovered that
he was wanted for murder by the French', Dabringhaus explained in front of the
camera, 'and that I reported to my superiors, and they told me to keep nice and
quiet, "He's still valuable, when he's no longer valuable we will turn him over to
the French." I thought that I was gonna get a promotion when I told 'em about
Barbie, and they told me to keep quiet!'9
Former US CIC officer Dabringhaus, who now lives in Florida in the United
States, explained how several German Nazis on US orders had set up the staybehind
arms caches in Germany. 'Colonel Gunther Bernau was an agent, an
informant working for the military intelligence in Stuttgart. We [of the US CIC] had
provided him a home, a safe-house in Ludwisburg, and there I met him three
times a week and he brought us information about Communists and whatever we
wanted to hear he told us.' The aim of the United States was to fight Communism, no
matter the means, Dabringhaus related, although he himself was little impressed
with Bernau: 'He was certainly a very strong Nazi. I sat in his office one day and
opened his album of pictures from the war, and in the middle of the album it
showed a nice picture of Adolf Hitler. Several other high-ranking SS officers
came to visit him in his safe house that we provided, and he told me that if for any
reason he needs help by one telephone call he could contact 200 former SS leaders
from Hamburg to Munich.'
Bernau, according to Dabringhaus, was centrally involved in setting up the
German stay-behind army: 'I remember him taking me to one particular spot
which we uncovered and dug it out and there were rifles, small arms, grenades,
all nicely wrapped in cosmolene and he said "We have thousands of these all over
the country." And that sort of made me a little suspicious and I reported this and they
said, "Well, we know this. They are all working for us in case the Communists come
across the Iron Curtain.'" Senior US officials, according to the need-to-know
principle, did not explain the details of the secret stay-behind army to CIC officer
Dabringhaus, but the latter had learned enough to understand that it was a top-secret
project involving a large number of Nazis: 'A former General, SS General, Paul
Hauser, was a frequent visitor at Bernau's house, and they worked together hand
in gloves about certain programmes which we didn't know anything about, and I
wasn't even asked to find out more about it. Somebody above me must have been
running this network already at that time.'10
When the Gladio scandal erupted in 1990 an unnamed former NATO intelligence
official explained that the covert action branch of the CIA under Frank Wisner in
order to set up the German secret army had 'incorporated lock, stock and barrel
the espionage outfit run by Hitler's spy chief Reinhard Gehlen. This is well
known, because Gehlen was the spiritual father of Stay Behind in Germany and
his role was known to the West German leader, Konrad Adenauer, from the
outset.' According to the unnamed NATO officer, US President Truman and
German Chancellor Adenauer had signed a secret protocol with the US on West
Germany's entry into NATO in May 1955 in which it was agreed that the West
German authorities would refrain from active legal pursuit of known right-wing
extremists. What is not so well known is that other top German politicians
were privy to the existence of secret resistance plans. One of these was the then
German State Secretary and former high-ranking Nazi, Hans Globke.'11
In Germany one of the Nazi-dominated US networks named 'Bund Deutscher
Jugend' (BDJ) and its stay-behind 'Technischer Dienst' (TD) were discovered in
1952. Klaus Barbie had played a leading role in setting up the German staybehind
BDJ-TD.12 But the secret was not kept for long. The New York Times
reported on October 10, 1952 under the somewhat misleading headline 'German
Saboteurs betray US Trust. Wide Investigation Follows Confirmation of Financing
Guerrillas' War Training', that 'Authoritative officials here privately confirmed
today that the United States had sponsored and helped finance the secret training
of young Germans, including many former soldiers, to become guerrilla fighters
in the event of a war with the Soviet Union.' The US newspaper reported that the
'disclosure yesterday in the State Parliament of Hesse and the banner headline
publicity today in the German press have caused the United States Department
and the Army considerable embarrassment', above all because 'it was discovered
that the projected guerrilla group had engaged in political activities. Their
leaders...drew up blacklists of persons who were to be "liquidized", if they were
deemed unreliable in a war against the Russians.' Therefore 'Several joint
German-United States meetings were held' because many acting 'Socialists,
including government officials, were on the list, as well as Communists'.
This early discovery of a part of the German stay-behind caused a major scandal
on both sides of the Atlantic and Newsweek in the United States reported on
October 20, 1952 that the CIA had organised a group of 'stay-behinds' in Germany.
Interestingly enough the German news magazine Der Spiegel on October 29,
1952 correctly reported that stay-behind networks existed next to Germany also
in numerous countries of Western Europe: 'The BDJ affair has caused considerable
worries in the different headquarters of the American secret service in Europe.
Because the "Technischer Dienst" in Germany is but one branch of a partisan
network supported by the United States and spreading over the whole of Europe.'
Specifically, as the Spiegel reported, 'This network is most strongly developed in
France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Italy and the Iberian peninsula. In
France this organisation was created already in 1948, with the support of the
leader of the Socialists, [Minister of the Interior] Jules Moch.'
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What had happened and who had blown the cover? On September 9, 1952
former SS officer Hans Otto had walked after his own personal decision into the
headquarters of the criminal police in the city of Frankfurt in the German state of
Hesse and according to the German governmental records' declared to belong to
a political resistance group, the task of which was to carry out sabotage activities
and blow up bridges in case of a Soviet invasion'. According to Otto, who felt
alienated with the terrorist preparations, 'about 100 members of the organisation
had been instructed at a specific school in politics, trained to use American, Russian
and German arms, and drilled in military tactics. Members of the organisation
were mostly former officers of the Air Force, the Army or the Waffen-SS.' The
official German transcripts record that 'Although officially neo-fascist tendencies
were not required, most members of the organisation featured them. The financial
means to run the organisation had been provided by an American citizen with the
name of Sterling Garwood.' Next to waiting for the Soviet invasion the German
secret army also had domestic subversion tasks: 'As for domestic politics the
tactics of the organisation were aimed at the KPD [Communist Party of Germany]
and SPD [Socialist Party of Germany].'13
The 'organisation' that Otto was talking about was part of the German
stay-behind network, but with all probability did not represent the entire German
network even at the time. The branch was misleadingly labelled BDJ, short for
'German Youth Federation', although the average age of its members was around 42.
Already before Otto's testimony the BDJ had been well known for its extreme
anti-Communism. But what remained unknown was that the BDJ had fronted for
the so-called Technischer Dienst (TD, Technical Service), which was in the topsecret
paramilitary German stay-behind, staffed with former Nazis, paid by the US,
and equipped with weapons and explosives. According to the German statistics
BDJ membership, which spread across the whole of Western Germany, officially
amounted to 17,000 people, whereas according to the German governmental
investigation TD membership counted only around 2,000 people.14
Otto's testimony in 1952 lead to a large-scale police investigation. Near
Waldmichelbach, a small romantic village in the Odenwald forest district of Hesse,
the stay-behind training centre was discovered. The Waldmichelbach centre had
only become operational in June 1951, and before that date, members of the German
stay-behind had been directly trained on the US Army base Grafenwohr in
Germany.15 Called 'Wamiba' by insiders after its location, the training centre
consisted in essence of a house with an underground shooting area and a bunker
close by, all located inconspicuously in a side valley, half a kilometre away from
the country road. Villagers remembered, 'that the Americans used to carry out
shooting exercises or something like that over there'.16
Otto testified to the German authorities that the contact of the BDJ-TD with
the CIA was to a large degree handled by the mysterious American whom he
called Mr Garwood. Garwood, probably of the CIA, regularly instructed the TD
members in the Odenwald and repeatedly insisted that the whole stay-behind was
a top-secret organisation, and that nobody may say anything to anybody at any time.
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This, it seems, was taken very seriously. For when at one time it was suspected that
a TD member of another German state, Bavaria, 'had filled out a questionnaire
with another resistance organisation', the assassination of that member was
seriously contemplated within the TD, as Otto highlighted with a certain disgust.17
'I do not have the impression that Mr. Garwood had any objections to such methods',
Otto testified to the German authorities. 'He taught us for instance, how to kill
a person without leaving a trace, by simply making him unconscious with
chloroform, put him in his car, and use a pipe to guide the exhausts of the car into
the cabin. He taught us how with certain interrogation techniques, violence could
be used without leaving a trace.' Otto was also instructed in torture techniques:
'One has for instance to blindfold the eyes of the person to be interrogated. Then
a piece of meat must be grilled close to the scene while a piece of ice is being
pressed on selected body parts of the person to be interrogated. The coldness of
the ice, combined with the smell of burnt meat, leaves the interrogated in the
belief, that he is being treated with burning metal.'18
Otto explained that Garwood provided the money and most of the equipment.
Some 130 men were trained in the Wamiba centre, almost all former German
Nazis, in interrogation techniques, shooting, use of explosives, setting up of
traps, wireless communication and assassination methods. Most interestingly TD
member Otto also elaborated on that rarely discussed, but very existential and
central, stay-behind question concerning the willingness of secret soldiers to indeed
stay-behind in case of a Soviet invasion.

.....................


After the organisation was discovered, immediate arrests and confiscations
followed on September 18, 1952', Prime Minister Zinn told his parliament. 'But
on October 1, the High National Prosecutor [Oberbundesanwalt] ordered that the
suspects be released, as the organisation had been created on the orders of United
States agencies', whereupon a roar went through the parliament with many
parliamentarians, according to the original transcripts, shouting 'Hear! Hear!', or
'Incredible!' As the parliamentarians calmed down Zinn continued: 'According
to the testimony of a senior member of the TD, liquidations were also planned',
whereupon an even greater roar went through parliament, with members shouting
'Hear! Hear! That's how far we have come already again!' Zinn continued:
'A training centre was set up in Waldmichelbach in Odenwald' and 'The members of
the organisation were mostly former officers of the Air Force, the Army and the
SS.' Again the parliament was in agitation, for all present had lived through the
Second World War and now shouted: 'Listen to this! Incredible!'
Zinn explained that the agents were between 35 and 50 and 'The organisation
received very generous funding, confiscated documents suggest that it received
about 50,000 DM a month'. Whereupon a parliamentarian shouted: 'Where did the
money come from!?' Zinn related that 'The money came from faked orders of an
allegedly US agency to the TD' and went on to explain that 'The same organisation
had a domestic task... According to the testimony of a leading member selected
"unreliable" people should be eliminated in case X', which sent a new storm of
criticism through the parliament with voices shouting 'Killed, that means!
Incredible!' Zinn was well aware of the storm he caused and solemnly continued
that 'interestingly there were 15 sheets of paper on Communists, but 80 pages on
leading Social Democrats... SPD Interior Minister Heinrich Zinnkann of Hesse
was suspected of Communist connections', which next to criticism was commented
with laughter in parliament. 'According to testimonies, much secret material had
been destroyed, some material has been collected by a US official, now therefore
also inaccessible. The money and the weapons were provided by an American, who
supervised the training' leaving parliamentarians once again shouting 'Hear! Hear!'
Zinn had not yet finished: 'What is very important, is to realise, that such secret
organisations outside all German control are the starting base for illegal domestic
activities, this is sad experience our people has had to make already three decades
ago, and these features were manifest also with this organisation', a fierce criticism
which was applauded by parliament with voices shouting 'Correct! That's right!'
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'Mr. Reeber of the United States this morning', Zinn continued, 'agreed with me,
that such organisations are the starting point for domestic terror... expressed his
most sincere regret and condemned the organisation sharply... He promised not
only his full support to clarify the entire affair completely and uproot all rests of
the organisation, but also to prevent the phenomena from reoccurring.'28
Of course the German Gladio was not dissolved, as the discoveries in 1990
showed. Traces were destroyed whenever possible. Former US High Commissioner
McCloy in October 1952 insisted that the United States were not rearming
the Nazis and that 'during all those years, that I have spent in Germany, our aims
and efforts have been directed towards the aim of strengthening all democratic
forces in Germany, and to fight both the Communists, as well as Neo- and Pro
Nazis'. McCloy emphasised that 'It is therefore unthinkable, that a responsible
American would have supported such activities, as they have been reported by
Prime Minister Zinn. This fact must be expressed clearly, for the sake of truth and
friendship.'29
Despite these assurances the parliament of Hesse decided to have the phenomena
fully investigated by the Interior Minister of Hesse who in a solid democratic
performance in 1953 presented an impressive three-volume long report.30
Four decades later former CIA officer Thomas Polgar, who retired in 1981
after a 30-year long CIA career, well remembered the German Gladio scandal for
he had been stationed in Germany in the early 1950s and in the early 1970s had
come back to the country to replace Ray Cline as the Chief of the German CIA
station. 'The "Bund Deutscher Jugend" was a right-wing political organisation
loosely affiliated with one of the political parties in the state of Hesse in Germany
and it was deemed that these people have the motivation and the willingness to
service part of the underground should the Soviet army indeed overrun all or part
of West Germany', Polgar related in the 1990s. 'When the story broke there
was a considerable flap, and it was deemed desirable that [US] General Truscott
should personally explain to the people involved what had happened and we
explained the situation first to Konrad Adenauer of Germany.' This, as seen above
did not solve the problem and Polgar remembers that 'then we explained it to
General Matthew Ridgeway, who was then the commander-in-chief of NATO,
and finally, and most importantly, we explained it to Prime Minister Georg Zinn
of Hesse, who himself was on that list, and Truscott explained to the Hessian Prime
Minister that this was an unauthorised activity, to be sure only a paper exercise,
but of which he was unaware and it certainly shouldn't be interpreted as in any
way casting aspersions on our confidence in Prime Minister Zinn'.31
That clandestine German stay-behind cells existed not only in the state of
Hesse, but also in other parts of Germany was confirmed by Dieter von Glahn
after the Gladio revelations in 1990. 'Our mission and our organisation were
identical with what is now known about Gladio', Glahn explained.32 An ambiguous
figure of the militant German anti-Communist scene Glahn had fled from a Soviet
prisoner-of-war camp during the Second World War and after the war had joined
the stay-behind secret army as a BDJ-TD member in the northern German state of
Bremen. 'At the time of the Korean war', Glahn explained in his autobiography
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in 1994, 'the Americans were very worried, that something similar could also
happen in Germany'. Thus 'the Americans decided to recruit and set up a reliable
German unit for day X, the invasion of the Red Army. The unit was to be trained
with American arms, equipped from arms caches, and designed to go under
ground immediately in case of an attack.' Glahn related that 'the BDJ was but the
cover, something like the official arm of an anti-Communist organisation. The
unofficial arm Technischer Dienst, or "Organisation Peters", as it was also called
after its leader, was the real combat core' and existed in numerous parts of Germany.
'The TD thus became an important part of the US-German anti-Soviet defence.
The Americans were mainly interested in former members of the German army'
including himself. 'As my anti-Communist attitudes were well known, I was
recruited. Officially I now was leader of the BDJ in the city of Oldenburg/Ostfriesland.
Unofficially I was the leader of the TD for the entire area Oldenburg
and Bremen-Ostfriesland [northern Germany].'33
Glahn proudly related in his memoirs that the German 'FBI', the Bundesamt
fur Verfassungsschutz (BfV), knew of the secret stay-behind armies and covered
them. T worked very closely together.,. with Neubert of the BfV', Glahn recalled the
anti-Communist battle which united them. At 'nights we regularly hung up posters,
and covered the posters of the Communists... and exposed some Oldenburger
businessmen, who collaborated with the Communists. In this there were often
violent clashes.' It was at 'that time I founded many subgroups of the BDJ in my
area' with support of the CIA who trained in Waldmichelbach and the US base
Grafenwohr. T myself have taken part in such trainings several times. Members
received a brownish US combat dress, were only allowed to communicate by first
name, came from all over Germany, but were forbidden to tell the others where
they lived. Practically we were completely isolated from the world there for four
weeks.' Gladiators received 'extensive training for day X. At that time secret
American arms caches were erected in all parts of Western Germany. In my area
only my deputy and I knew the exact location of the arms cache... our cache was
well buried in a little forest.'34
Not only the German stay-behind network, but also the German secret service
ORG and its staff survived the 1952 discovery of parts of the German Gladio
almost without a scratch due to the protection of the powerful CIA. General
Reinhard Gehlen remained in charge and in 1956 the 'Organisation Gehlen'
changed its label to 'Bundesnachrichtendienst' (BND). When CIA Director Allan
Dulles was once asked whether he did not feel ashamed to cooperate with Nazi
Gehlen the former replied: 'I don't know if he is a rascal. There are few archbishops
in espionage... Besides, one needn't ask him to one's club.'35 When even the
German government, under Conservative chancellor Kurt Georg Kiesinger and
Socialist vice-chancellor and Foreign Minister Willy Brandt, started to distrust
its compromised secret service BND the latter was investigated in detail for the
first time in its history.
The ensuing 'Mercker Report' allegedly was 'a horror document for the
BND, which is kept under lock and key until today', the German press reported
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still in 1995. 'Its shattering conclusion on the BND: " A corrupt organisation".'
36 Reinhard Gehlen, sharply attacked by the governmental investigation,
was not even allowed to read the report. And the Germann Socialists who with
Willy Brandt, for the first time after the war, had entered the government were
so embarrassed by the top Nazi within the executive that upon receiving the
Mercker report they sacked Gehlen after a remarkably long career of more than
20 years at the head of the German secret service on worker's day May 1, 1968.
In order not to upset the While House Gehlen was replaced by Gerhard Wessel
who had served as West Germany's military attache in Washington after 1945
and ever since cultivated close links with the CIA and the US national security
establishment.
It is unknown whether the classified Mercker report also contained data on the
stay-behind activities of the ORG and the BND, but evidence which surfaced
during the 1990 Gladio investigations suggests that it does. The short report of
the German government on the BND and its stay-behind of December 1990,
claims that a legal basis for the German stay-behind had been created in December
1968, thus only a few months after the Mercker report had been completed:
'In December 1968 the Chief of the Chancellors Ministry had explicitly stated in
article 16 of the "General Directives for the BND" that preparations for a defence
situation shall be taken.' Presumably the government at the time had decided to
continue to run the stay-behind but wanted to back the operation with a legal
basis: 'That directive reads: "The BND carries out the necessary preparations and
planning for the defence case, in general questions upon agreement with the chief
of Chancellor's Ministry."'37 German journalist and Gladio author Leo Muller
wondered in 1990 'how much anti-democratic secret organisations substance was
also contained in the later stay-behinds of the German secret service, which were
discovered in October 1990?'38
Whether the removal of Gehlen and the introduction of the new law reduced
the dominant role of the CIA in the German stay-behind remains doubtful.
Former German Gladio member Glahn in his book makes it a point that ultimately
the CIA was in charge: 'I intentionally write of "secret services" in the plural,
because we were later united with the secret service Organisation Gehlen on the
orders of the Americans.' Glahn relates that although Gehlen was the key player in
the German stay-behind, overall command rested with the US: 'This organisation
had been named after its founder, General Gehlen... He set up an excellent secret
service centre in Pullach close to Munich', Glahn relates and stressed that "The
Technische Dienst TD was in constant contact with the residents of the Gehlen
Organisation. The military task, however, for day X, remained firmly in the
hands of the Americans.'39 When the cover of the German secret army was
blown in 1952 Gehlen and others had been offered an exile in the United States in
order to protect them from further German investigations. 'I was offered to be
flown to the United States, as other members of the TD, which were involved
in a criminal trial. I have discussed this with my wife at length... but decided
that I did not want to be an emigre. My place was here in Germany.'40
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Myra Bronstein
08-30-2009, 02:28 PM
[quote=Magda Hassan;5374]
...
Fascinating point you make about the Rolling Stones! Jagger was a product of the London School of Economics and a crass ruthless businessman first and foremost. When the true artistic spirit of the band, Brian Jones, became too much of a bother he was done away with. The satanic elements went way beyond imagery.

Well well. After 40 years of cover-ups the British police are finally investigating this blatant murder that had many witnesses.
http://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2054

Helen Reyes
08-31-2009, 05:33 PM
I have a file that started in '67, and every article from all the magazines or books that I could get follows up who overthrew Greece: the Litton Industry, the fascists in this country put those edicts in there. Now if they put them in there and it worked they could put them down on us.Can some one clarify for me what Mae is referring to here? Greece - Litton industry? Edicts?

Litton Industries of California played a part in the generals' coup in Greece. They were a defense contractor. Still are.

TIME Magazine 1967: Litton Takes Charge in Greece
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,839562,00.html

The first thing the junta did was issue a set of edicts:
http://www.maebrussell.com/Greece/Death%20of%20a%20Democracy.html

Without getting too historical, I think what Mae is saying here is that the Flower Children of Golden Gate Park 1967 had a military crackdown to look forward to, but of course were blissfully unaware of their impending doom.

Papendreou was a UC Berkeley prof btw. Of economics. His son Nick was head of the World Bank for a while.

Regarding the "acid of control" Manson spoke of to Leary at Folsom, someone mentioned psilocybin. Wasson was accompanied on his first trip to Mexico by a CIA man undercover. They were playing with psilocybin and everything else back in those days. Wasson married a Russian woman and quit as vice president of JP Morgan to follow his mushroom dream.

Andrija Puharich was a Yugoslav who went to work for US Army chemical and germ warfare research after WWII. He discusses some aspects of the state of research in the 50s in his remarkable book The Sacred Mushroom. He also has Wasson and Aldous Huxley flitting through making strange cameo appearances.

The other author in the Sacred Mushrom Triad is John Allegro, the only agnostic on the Dead Sea Scrolls commission of translators. The scrolls were discovered in 1947 when so many other strange events occurred. Allegro used to appear in LIFE and LOOK with very odd new theories about Essenes, ventriloquism and everything else, but his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross got him in hot water with the authorites but earned him a lasting place in the then-burgeoning psychedlic subculture. He had no intelligence role as far as I'm aware, other than being the subject of Vatican intelligence reports I suppose.

Bishop Pike, Episcopalian archbishop of California, was the first tv evangelist in the world on a local Bay Area station. He came from intelligence during the war, Anglo-American it seems, maybe just American. He was keenly interested in Allegro's work on the scrolls and was an important and controversial figure in the 1960s. Especially on the subculture in the Bay Area, but globally as well.

Oops, I think I got too historical anyway, and off-topic to boot. Yes, I think Manson was "sheep-dipped." I think he was in league with the Process Church. I think there was bad blood with the Scientology Hollywood Celebrities Center that led to two murdered girls found nearby.

Following up on the idea Operation Chaos was supposed to increase racial tension in California, there are serious unsolved aspects to the Zebra Killer in Northern California. It was supposed to be a few lone rogue Black Muslims in San Francisco murdering whites as an initiation ritual. That was the cover story anyway. Came slightly later, 73 or 74.

Peter Lemkin
10-30-2009, 07:02 PM
One hour audio on Manson HERE (http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/55645).

With researcher and broadcaster, Mae Brussell. Originally aired in October 1971 on her radio program, Dialogue: Assassination, this show reveals Manson as a patsy and analyzes the so-called Manson murders as a premeditated political massacre...

Myra Bronstein
11-01-2009, 08:00 PM
One hour audio on Manson HERE (http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/55645).

With researcher and broadcaster, Mae Brussell. Originally aired in October 1971 on her radio program, Dialogue: Assassination, this show reveals Manson as a patsy and analyzes the so-called Manson murders as a premeditated political massacre...

Thank you Peter. God Mae Brussell was so brilliant.

Though I've only listened to half of this show. I tried the link provided and it didn't play. Then I tried the link someone provided at the KPFA site (http://aud1.kpfa.org/data/20091028-Wed1300.mp3) and it didn't seem to buffer correctly--kept starting and stopping--so I gave up on that one. The problem may be my ISP. So I'm still trying to come up with a way to hear the whole thing.

What I did hear was excellent. She was comparing the regime's termination of the US progressive peace and love era with the US led coup in Greece.

Dang, she did all this with newspaper clippings. Wonder what she would have done with the internet. Of course we can't know 'cause she died quite young of, you know, "cancer." The activist disease.

Helen Reyes
11-01-2009, 08:48 PM
Yes, thank you, that file was very good.

I never stream audio if I can help it. Better to right-click and Save As to someplace I can find the file and stick it in a player (C:\, Desktop, My Documents, wherever).

With that particular file, if you go to http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/55645 there where it says "Play this clip in your Computer's media player" is a link to the shell playlist file gen-mpegurl.m3u (at http://kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=aud1.kpfa.org&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20091028-Wed1300.mp3 ). All this is is a little note that says "play such and such in a media player." In this case, the note says "play http://aud1.kpfa.org:80//data/20091028-Wed1300.mp3 " (the little :80 after the top-domain address is just telling the player or browser to use port 80, the standard HTTP port)

Just right-click on http://aud1.kpfa.org:80//data/20091028-Wed1300.mp3
right here and choose Save As, it should download. I listened to it three times now, it's very good.

Peter Lemkin
11-01-2009, 08:58 PM
One hour audio on Manson HERE (http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/55645).

With researcher and broadcaster, Mae Brussell. Originally aired in October 1971 on her radio program, Dialogue: Assassination, this show reveals Manson as a patsy and analyzes the so-called Manson murders as a premeditated political massacre...

Thank you Peter. God Mae Brussell was so brilliant.

Though I've only listened to half of this show. I tried the link provided and it didn't play. Then I tried the link someone provided at the KPFA site (http://aud1.kpfa.org/data/20091028-Wed1300.mp3) and it didn't seem to buffer correctly--kept starting and stopping--so I gave up on that one. The problem may be my ISP. So I'm still trying to come up with a way to hear the whole thing.

What I did hear was excellent. She was comparing the regime's termination of the US progressive peace and love era with the US led coup in Greece.

Dang, she did all this with newspaper clippings. Wonder what she would have done with the internet. Of course we can't know 'cause she died quite young of, you know, "cancer." The activist disease.

Yeah, she was a phenomenon! Try here! (http://www.maebrussell.com/CD%20catalog/Mae's%20CDs%20Part%203.html) She had an uncanny sense of what was going on and what would go on in the near future.....who knows what she'd have done had there been an internet....my guess is not use it, but have her 'sprouts' research on it and she'd piece the puzzle pieces together. :burnout:

Myra Bronstein
11-02-2009, 12:19 AM
Yes, thank you, that file was very good.

I never stream audio if I can help it. Better to right-click and Save As to someplace I can find the file and stick it in a player (C:\, Desktop, My Documents, wherever).

With that particular file, if you go to http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/55645 there where it says "Play this clip in your Computer's media player" is a link to the shell playlist file gen-mpegurl.m3u (at http://kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=aud1.kpfa.org&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20091028-Wed1300.mp3 ). All this is is a little note that says "play such and such in a media player." In this case, the note says "play http://aud1.kpfa.org:80//data/20091028-Wed1300.mp3 " (the little :80 after the top-domain address is just telling the player or browser to use port 80, the standard HTTP port)

Just right-click on http://aud1.kpfa.org:80//data/20091028-Wed1300.mp3
right here and choose Save As, it should download. I listened to it three times now, it's very good.

Oh, duh. Thank you Helen!

James Lewis
11-27-2017, 08:03 PM
Another section from Gorightly's The Shadow over Santa Susana:


... the juiciest lead in Krassner's research came when Mae Brussell informed him that an agent for Naval Intelligence named **** **** had met with Tex Watson prior to the murders. "Aha!" thought Krassner: L Ron Hubbard had been associated with Naval Intelligence. The Committee to Investigate Assassinations had also linked Lee Harvey Oswald with Naval Intelligence. Even the infamous Zodiac killer had left obsolete Naval Intelligence ciphers in his notes. ****, Brussell claimed, was taking courses at the Navy Postgraduate School - the Monterey Language School - where only intelligence officers were admitted. ****, she said, had used the cover of a "hippie artist", meanwhile working as an agent provocateur to infiltrate the Manson Family.

According to Brussell, **** was the main drug supplier to the Family, and after the murders, he "cut his hair, put his shoes back on" and went back to work at the Monterey Language School, setting aside his guise of hippie, which had served its purpose, and was no longer of use. Prior to the shedding of his hippie accoutrements, **** had done artwork for a certain "underground" magazine, which predicted that the counterculture would devolve into witchcraft and violence. This magazine - Brussell went on to assert - "was a conduit for CIA funds for medical research in mind control, intelligence money for electrode implants and for LSD experiments, according to documents I got from the Pentagon".


I wonder if said above "underground magazine" was in any way connected with the Process Church Of The Final Judgement?