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Jan Klimkowski
03-27-2009, 09:19 PM
I worked with a number of British veterans who claimed to have Gulf War Syndrome. Many of them had been given numerous vaccinations, including anthrax, near simultaneously, and later became stricken with Gulf War Syndrome. Some of these veterans died from the condition - suggesting that it is more severe than Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (with which some doctors seek to compare it).

It is not possible to say with certainty what the link between anthrax vaccinations and whatever Gulf War Syndrome may be, actually is. However, there are persistent rumours that some Gulf War I veterans were given an experimental vaccination.

Below are two articles which are intiguing. I do not claim that they are necessarily connected.


White House memo exposes Rove knew of problems with anthrax vaccine
Allen McDuffee, August 7, 2008

Rove said Gulf War Syndrome, vaccine political stumbling block
The Department of Defense continued its controversial mandatory anthrax vaccinations program despite high ranking Bush administration officials acknowledging there were problems with the vaccine within months of the Bush administration taking office—well before the 9/11 attacks and the October 2001 anthrax letters.
A 2001 memorandum from former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove to then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz indicates that the White House knew of problems relating to the Gulf War Syndrome and the military's controversial anthrax vaccine.
Obtained by RAW STORY earlier this year from a senior military official and referenced in today's New York Daily News, Rove wrote, "I do think we need to examine the issues of both Gulf War Syndrome and the Anthrax vaccine and how they can be dealt with. They are political problems for us."
RAW STORY had held off printing the memorandum (which appears below) in an effort to validate its authenticity. Along with the memo, Rove noted that he had attached "material on the Anthrax vaccine problem," which had been forwarded to him by H. Ross Perot. He titled it "GULF WAR SYNDROME AND ANTHRAX."
RAW STORY had held off printing the memorandum (which appears below) in an effort to validate its authenticity. Along with the memo, Rove noted that he had attached "material on the Anthrax vaccine problem," which had been forwarded to him by H. Ross Perot. He titled it "GULF WAR SYNDROME AND ANTHRAX."
Pentagon maintains vaccine is safe, requires injections
Despite repeatedly maintaining it is safe, documents obtained by Raw Story last year showed that the Pentagon and medical military personnel have known since at least 1998 that there are genetic triggers between illnesses and some required immunizations. They also revealed the military knew and did not implement routine pre-screening which could help reduce vaccine-related illnesses.
[...] Texas billionaire and onetime presidential candidate H. Ross Perot testified to a Congressional committee in 2002 regarding issues with the vaccine and its manufacturer.
"BioPort is a mess," Perot said, referring to the Pentagon contractor, which has since changed its name to Emergent BioSolutions. "BioPort should not be able to keep that contract. For years they never met any goals or objectives...For years they got bonuses that equaled or exceeded their salaries and didn't accomplish their goals."
"The damage that was done to our Tigers in the Armed Forces is incredible," he added. "Hundreds of pilots have left the Air Force rather than take the shot. $6 million to train one pilot. That's a high price to pay, right?"
[…] Iowa Republican Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA), has called for a "full-blown accounting" of the probe, which cost taxpayers $15 million and took seven years, according to the Washington Post. Democratic Rep. Rush D. Holt (D-NJ), who represents the region the deadly letters were mailed from from, says hearings should be held as to "why investigators are so certain that Ivins acted alone."
The memo is available in PDF format here.
This article was edited by Raw Story Managing Editor Larisa Alexandrovna, and paid for by reader donations to Raw Story Investigates

http://www.zimbio.com/Deputy+Chief+of+Staff+Karl+Rove/articles/104/Anthrax+Gulf+War+Syndrome+Karl+Rove


'Israel treated its soldiers as guinea pigs'

Global Research, March 26, 2009
Press TV - 2009-03-25

Israel has admitted to developing an anthrax vaccine through a secret research project involving tests on unaware army soldiers.

The Israeli Defense Ministry revealed on Wednesday that the vaccine was tested on 716 soldiers while they had not been fully informed about the study, Ynet reported.

The project, codenamed "Omer 2", was held during the first part of the 1990s and the subjects were picked out of a pool of 4,000.

Some of the soldiers, who say that the experiment has had life-threatening side effects for them, are now filing a lawsuit against the Israeli Army, Haaretz reported.

So far, 11 soldiers have sought medical attention due to the side effects sustained as result of the tests.

Israeli Physicians for Human Rights have also filed a lawsuit against the army over the experiments.

The experiments were carried out in light of what was then defined as the "strategic threat of a surprise biological attack facing Israel," the report said.

Meanwhile an official medical committee has published a report, raising doubt over motivations for advancing the experiment.

The report which was drafted by a special committee of doctors, a legal advisor, and a scientist from the Weizmann Institute of Science, was finally approved for publication on Wednesday.

The report revealed that even while the experiment was taking place, Israel had already had a stock of anthrax vaccines.

"An accelerated effort to produce large quantities of the vaccine was underway a year prior to the experiment, and by the time the experiments were launched, Israel had enough vaccines to cover the civilian concerns," the report said.

The committee also criticized the "shroud of secrecy" which the experiments' directors implemented.

"The committee was unconvinced that the need for a vaccine was duly considered by decision makers. Also, it is not clear who the decision makers were who determined the vaccine's necessity," read the report.

The only official document found by the committee about the experiment was written by the deputy Defense Minister.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12912

David Guyatt
03-28-2009, 11:29 AM
Jan, Tim Sebastian's novel "Ultra" contains the deep story of Gulf War Syndrome. What he reveals is in the first few and last few pages. It was known as Operation Black Cat and is shocking.

Magda Hassan
03-28-2009, 11:41 AM
Look what I found on the net by some bloke called David Guyatt :wavey:
Looks like some one has been using chemical and biological weapons indiscriminately.



OPERATION BLACK DOG
The Gulf war story no one will publish
By David Guyatt

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Source "B" was shaken but not stirred when we first
met. The odour of fear and uncertainty was palpable
- a fact that was no surprise in view of what I was
about to be told. This wasn't my first 007 Bond-like
covert rendezvous, but it would certainly be my most
startling. We had agreed to meet in order that the
source could tell me about a highly secret and even
more highly sensitive US operation known as "Black
Dog." Neither of us trusted electronic communication
and, therefore, a face-to-face meeting was essential.

It was a sunny day and our encounter was in a seamy
pub somewhere in the countryside of England. I had
watched my back the entire journey - just in case.
The meeting followed a story I had written on Gulf
War Illness, when I had cautiously been told about
a top secret US mission known as "Black Cat." This,
I was told, involved a "black" US B52 bomber launching
from Offut AFB in Nebraksa, and flying a round-trip
to the Persian Gulf.

The hulking bomber carried one bomb packed with
VX nerve agent, the most potent chemical weapon
in the US CW armoury. The bomb was dropped on
elements of the Republican Guard in Southern Iraq,
I was informed. Heavy casualties apparently resulted.
The operation, directed by the Central Intelligence
Agency, was a counter-strike, following an Iraqi Scud
that fell on Israel. The missile had contained Sarin and
drove the Israeli government almost apoplectic
with rage. Fuming, the Israeli's had readied to
detonate a nuclear warhead high above Baghdad.
Only the swift intervention of President George
Bush forestalled what would have been a cataclysmic
move destined to unravel the carefully wrought Arab
backed Coalition lined-up against Iraqi dictator
Saddam Hussein.

To avoid any of the nerve agent being blown back
towards coalition troops, the mission involved the
launch, from Dhahran of a C130 Hercules carrying
one, possibly two, massive five ton Fuel Air bombs.
These were detonated above ground zero - the
location of the VX chemical agent strike - to ensure
all traces of the nerve agent were destroyed. Quite
possibly, the Fuel Air Device destroyed all evidence
of the illegal counter-strike too, by incinerating bodies.
Cleansing by fire is as old as warfare itself.

This information led me to speak to various sources
as I searched for corroboration. I was advised to
contact Jim Sebastian, former BBC correspondent
and well-known author. During a brief telephone call,
Sebastian confirmed he also had the same information
as I, as recommended I contact the Countess of Mar
- a House of Lords representative with a special
interest in Gulf War issues. I met Margaret Mar one
evening in late summer 1997. A charming and honest
individual, she confirmed she had taken Sebastian's
information to the Ministry of Defence in private.
They later informed her that following consultation
with the US Department of Defense officials, no
record of the mission had been found. Clearly this
was no denial.

Moreover, their explanation didn't gel in other
significant ways. The official who responded to
the MOD enquiry was Bernard Rostker, the Special
Assistant for Gulf War Illness. Hardly, I thought,
the person one would expect to be privy to top
secret information on a sensitive CIA operation.
Besides, I was to later learn that Black Cat almost
certainly was subject to a "compartmented" mission
name. This simply means that at different levels of
the command structure the mission would have been
assigned a different name. This nifty device - not
dissimilar from Admiral Horatio Nelson holding a
telescope to his blind-eye and observing he "sees no
ships," - caters nicely to instant deniability, but also
helps to identify the level that leaks originate from.
Clever. In any event, months later, in December 1997,
Tim Sebastian told me that he had fully corroborated
Black Cat during a month-long trip to the USA. This
was good news but not surprising.

In any event, Source B was concerned not with Black
Cat - which I learned he knew about in some detail - but
a second, far more sensitive mission known as "Black
Dog." This mission had occurred around 25 February 1991
and involved Biological weapons, I was told. Specifically
the weapon was a bacterium that resulted in those
contaminated drowning in their own bodily fluids. Black
Dog involved an aircraft launched from a US carrier in the
Red Sea that was targeted on an Iraqi CB weapons plant.
The bomb was designed to spread its load via an aerosol
spray. Source B provided additional information that
cannot be revealed for fear of identifying the individual
and other sources.

My first meeting with Lady Mar was predominantly to
discuss this second mission. Both she and Tim Sebastian
were aware of a second mission that they both knew as
"Black Cat 11," but possessed no details. I was not
surprised. Some weeks earlier I had contacted a senior
US journalist, asking if he would collaborate on my
story. I gave him a brief outline of Black Cat, hoping
he may stumble on to Black Dog, too. He did, or at least
got details of a mission remarkably similar.

Months of investigation resulted in the development
of the following mission details:

Original source (B) states that Black Dog entailed the
launch of a US Navy warplane from a US Carrier on
station in the Red Sea. The source remains unable to
identify which of two carriers the aircraft launched
from (both the USS Saratoga and the USS Kennedy
were on station in the Red Sea during this time-frame:
24/25 February 1991). Nor is source able to provide
exact date of this mission. The source further stated
that aircrew and ground-crew were CIA.

The source continued by stating that the aircraft
dropped biological warfare munition(s) on an Iraqi
chemical/biological weapons factory and that numerous
deaths resulted. Source states the munition (s) contained
a bacteriological agent with a life of no more than
48 hours. The bacterium was not communicable, and
had no given name, only a batch number. Those
attacked with this weapon drowned in their own
bodily fluids, according to the source, who added
that the bio-bomb was parachute deployed and its
contents dispersed by aerosol spray.

US Sources state that a US Navy S3A Viking aircraft
crash landed (presumably as a result of ground fire)
behind enemy lines prior to the commencement of the
ground war. It is unknown if the aircraft was outward
bound on its mission or homebound afterwards. In any
event, the spectre of a US "sanitised" aircraft heavily
armed with chemical and possibly biological weapons,
over-flying hostile territory during time of war logically
excludes the possibility this was a training or any other
"innocent" mission.

The Viking is used in a long-range recconassaince/anti-
submarine warfare role. It is thus only lightly armed for
defence. In this instance, however, sources say the
aircraft was heavily modified with stealth capabilities
and was coloured a flat dark grey. The aircraft had no
markings, insignia or other identification. Instrumentation
was United States manufacture. Bombs were externally
attached to wing pylons. The procedure of using unmarked
military aircraft (known as "sanitised" i.e., plausible
deniability) is known to be consistent with numerous
other CIA "black" operations that have reached the
public domain.

Sources additionally confirm the mission was conducted
under the auspices of the Central Intelligence Agency
and that the pilot was an Agency employee (presumably
a "sheep-dipped" USN pilot). The aircraft carried, we
are told, only two bombs due to "weight considerations."
The downed aircraft had one remaining bomb attached
to external pylons. This munition contained a deadly
mixture of Tabun, Sarin and Cyclo-Sarin. However,
US sources are unable to identify a target or confirm
whether this aircraft launched from a USN carrier
- giving rise to understandable caution that this was
one and the same mission - although the mission
profile is similar.

Meanwhile, US sources confirm that the crash site
was approximately 60 kilometres behind enemy
lines (exact co-ordinates 45.90E - 29.73N) - in a
barren wilderness. There the aircraft remained for
several days. In the interim, the pilot, who did not
eject but came down with his aircraft, was
recovered alive.

Following the launch of the Ground War (24 February
1991), US and French divisions swept Iraqi forces
away from the general area (As Salman), thereby
permitting intact recovery of the aircraft. Consequently,
a US two man Black Ops "Search Team" were
dispatched from Camp Four, in Saudi Arabia
(co-ordinates 44.30E-29.00N) to locate the crashed
aircraft and provide exact co-ordinates for recovery.

Camp Four was a large sprawling complex that
housed mostly US forces, but some British elements
too. It was a jump off point for the US 101 Airborne
(Screaming Eagles) into Iraq on the night of 23/24
February 1991. The complex was extensively used
to house and repair a variety of equipment.

The two man search team travelled North, into Iraq,
by Jeep on or about 27/28 February 1991. Sources
state the aircraft crashed approximately one week earlier
and that the delay in commencing search and recovery
operations was due to the imminent commencement of
the ground war. Neither members of the two man search
team were US Government employees. In fact, a private
US company, almost certainly a CIA proprietary,
employed both. Both individuals wore battle-dress
but no insignia or other identifying patches - a fact that
is again consistent with CIA black operations. An independent
British military source has confirmed the presence
at Camp Four, of a two man US "Spec Ops" team,
in late February 1991. Source stated they were US
SpecOps, no insignia or rank apparent and provided
a physical description of one individual.

Some distance into Iraq, heading due north along
the 45.90 East Latitude co-ordinate the search team
observed the downed aircraft from a distance, we are
told. Inspection via binoculars showed the right wing of
the aircraft to be missing. The left wing was intact. Further
observation revealed the presence of one remaining
bomb located on the external pylon closest to the fuselage.
The bomb was coloured a matt black with no visible
marking. It was leaking.

Both team members donned CB protective equipment,
we are informed, and approached. The bomb contained
a German manufactured fuse designed to ignite the
munition above ground. It was identified as a Mark
Eleven Seven munition (MC 117) modified for liquid
chemical usage and comprised of a steel body with a
Mark 131 fin assembly and Central Bursting Tube -
according to information made available.

A chemical weapons test with a field test kit (designated
"Mary 256") was conducted and revealed the munition
to contain a mixture of Tabun, Sarin and Cyclo-Sarin.
It must be stressed that a chemical weapon field test kit
would not, repeat not, be capable of detecting the presence
of any biological weapon whatsoever. Field detection of
biological organisms/bacterium is considerably more complex
and requires specialist personnel and equipment. This point
is stressed for obvious reasons. The presence of a
bacterium as outlined by primary source is neither
corroborated, nor ruled out, by these discoveries.
However, it is significant that prevailing NATO and
Soviet doctrine in the use of biological and chemical
weapons, called the use of a "mixed load" - that is to
say, munitions would typically carry a varied mixture
of inter-acting chemical and biological agents/organisms.

The search team reported their discovery to base, and
was ordered to withdraw immediately. Prior to departing
the crash site, both team members were puzzled by
the presence of a number of dead Iraqi soldiers. All wore
face masks (possibly CB protective gear, but may also
have been protection against wind-borne sand) and
showed no apparent entry wounds or other manifestations
of their fatalities. Both team members were said to be
sufficiently perplexed by these bodies to take colour
photographs of them, we were informed. These
photographs and other details were later forwarded
to a United Nations source for investigation.

Having left the crash site, the search team were replaced
by a US Navy affiliated "Recovery Team." The latter
team recovered the aircraft. The bomb was recovered
and transported elsewhere. The damaged aircraft was
airlifted - presumably by a Jolly Green Giant helicopter
- back to Camp Four and temporarily housed in a
compound surrounded with barbed wire. Here, a number
of individuals managed to photograph the damaged aircraft
on site. Copies of these and other supporting data were
privately forwarded to the United Nations for investigation.
Meanwhile, other military sources confirm the presence
of the barbed wire compound at that location.

The two man Black Ops (search) team were in the
Gulf acting under Army Command. Their mission, and,
we are told, that of the latter recovery team, was conducted
under the orders of General Fred Franks, commander of
V11 Corps - the single largest unit in the Gulf war. Both
the "Search" and "Recovery" teams formed part of a
Special Unit with the designation "SCRSWA" operated
under the direct command of Colonel Johnson (attached
to AVSCOM - Aviation System Command, US Army).
This unit has not been identified, despite a telephone
call to the Pentagon library. A Pentagon employee told
this writer, with a nervous laugh, that the unit designation
is unknown. According to sources, there was a British
involvement. This has yet to be identified and confirmed,
but it thought possible the bacteriological weapon may
have been of British manufacture. In any event, the
remaining munition was placed in the custody of Colonel
Johnson, sources say. Both members of the search team
were specialists in placing, concealing and camouflaging
surveillance devices, we were told. These included placing
aircraft laser targeting packages.

In November 1997, at my request, the Countess
of Mar, in the company of the former Foreign
Secretary and Deputy Prime Minister, Lord Howe,
met with a senior Ministry of Defence official to
discuss Operation Black Dog. The meeting was
acrimonious. The result was that the MOD official
could neither confirm nor deny the operation but,
personally doubted the possibility that a Viking
aircraft would be cast in such a role. If this remains
the official's only qualitative doubt, I have some
advice for him.

A phone call to the premier and highly respected
publication, Janes Defence Weekly, will be rewarded
with an informative discussion about the aircraft's
capability and the US Navy's "Gung Ho" attitude
when it comes to "black" operations. One of Jane's
expert journalists told me - months prior to the MOD
meeting - that there is nothing theoretically to stop a
Viking from flying a mission as outlined. The journalist
went on to describe other missions even more
"apparently" unlikely, including the launch of U2
"spy-planes" from US Navy carriers - amongst
other facts.

It remains to be stated that I was advised - from
entirely unrelated sources and, in fact, an entirely
unrelated story - that a special CIA team of flyers
was stationed at Offut AFB during the Gulf war. One
of these, a former Navy pilot, and senior team member,
is alleged to have been posted to a US aircraft carrier
to assume temporary duty (TDY) as Commander Air
Group (CAG) during the same time-frame. For a
variety of reasons, I now nurture some suspicions
that this later information may have been artfully "planted"
as disinformation in order to discredit this story. The
identity of the senior team member, employed by the
CIA and ONI, is known to me, as is his background,
and somewhat adds to my concerns. However, I
cannot rule out the possibility that this additional
information might have reached my attention innocently
and coincidentally and, could be accurate?

As our investigation of this story continued, we learned
of a possible reason for Black Dog. In later February
1991, an Iraqi Scud had landed in Israel. Sources
were able to confirm that the missile contained biological
organisms that were "dead on arrival." Whether the
organisms were meant to be dead or not wasn't clear,
but Iraqi in-expertise in these matters is well-known.
This clearly, in the light of the prevailing logic of Black
Cat, to be sufficient reason to authorise Black Dog,
I believe.

The foregoing, it must be said, is powerful evidence
that the US may have engaged in at least two chemical
and biological warfare missions during the Gulf war. It
is not, however, proof positive. Caution is understandably
a key-word amongst the journalistic fraternity. At the same
time outside and perverse influence to "spike" or otherwise
discredit highly sensitive news stories is increasingly a fact-
of-life. Those who might doubt that the media could be so
easily seduced need only focus their attention on the
consequences of the Gary Webb/San Jose Mercury
News "Dark Alliance Series," to witness media timidity.

Having personally worked on the foregoing story for
almost nine months, and witnessed numerous editors,
journalists and other media representatives shy-away
from it for no good reason, I am inclined to conclude
that this is one of those stories destined never to reach
the light of day.

The hell with that.


http://www.ainfos.ca/98/mar/ainfos00310.html

Jan Klimkowski
03-28-2009, 12:35 PM
Deep black cats & dogs, eh?

David - we've discussed your excellent research and total frustration over this story before. It is a deep black secret.

I have a few random observations.

i) There was a French general at the time of Gulf War I who came out and said, (I paraphrase), that the French had no cases of Gulf War Syndrome (GWS). This was significant, and led researchers to believe that GWS may indeed have been caused by battlefield exposure. The reasoning was that only specific parts of the battlefield had been exposed to CBW, and the French forces were primarily deployed in a specific and separate field of action.

Of course, the battlefield exposure hypothesis was widely assumed to have been battlefield exposure to Iraqi use of CBW. Your research suggests it may have been allied used of CBW - something that would almost certainly never be officially admitted.

However, now, many years on, it appears that the French do have cases of GWS, suggesting battlefield exposure to CBW agents was probably not the sole cause.


Epidemiologist Prof Simon Wessely: Well, the USA have had the same problems that we have. The Canadians have had the same problems, but their CBW prophylaxis was very different. Australia have had the same problems, but much later. The Danes have had the same problems, though they were not actually in the war, but came on peacekeeping and they did not have CBW protection; they did not need it. Finally France, well, up until last week we did not think the French had any problems, but they have just published a report and I speed-read it in French over night and it does look as if they have got some problems after all, which does not surprise me, and it pleases me actually because they have been so smug about it, but it looks like they have had problems as well. They have just literally in the last few days published a report and I have not really had time to look at it.

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:2aVb--QQA48J:www.lloyd-gwii.com/admin/ManagedFiles/2/GWI1008%252000.doc+%2Bfrance+%2B%22no+gulf+war+syn drome%22+%2Bgeneral&cd=18&hl=en&ct=clnk

ii) why drop biological weapons as well as chemical weapons?

Your comments about NATO and Soviet military doctrine being for a "mixed load" of chemical and biological weaponry are fascinating. However, that doctrine makes little sense to me.

If you want to wipe out a group of individuals at a location, chemical weapons such as VX and Sarin are pretty effective on their own. This of course was precisely what was allegedly used by the US in Operation Tailwind (see my post 11 in the thread linked below).

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4118&highlight=tailwind#post4118

There are two further possible reasons for using biological weapons:

a) as a field test of a new biological agent. However, one would have expected a proper deep black scientific follow up, with a CBW SWAT team swarming over the site. If the recovery team actually consisted of just two Special Forces soldiers, then the field test hypothesis is unlikely.

b) if Saddam had indeed successfully landed a Scud packed with the chemical weapon, Sarin, inside Israel, then the allied forces may have upped the ante by dropping bombs containing both chemical and biological agents on Iraqi forces as a warning.

iii) I have problems with the following claim and suspect that - at the scientific level - it's disinformation:


The source continued by stating that the aircraft
dropped biological warfare munition(s) on an Iraqi
chemical/biological weapons factory and that numerous
deaths resulted. Source states the munition (s) contained
a bacteriological agent with a life of no more than
48 hours. The bacterium was not communicable, and
had no given name, only a batch number. Those
attacked with this weapon drowned in their own
bodily fluids, according to the source, who added
that the bio-bomb was parachute deployed and its
contents dispersed by aerosol spray.

Specifically, I have a problem with the claim that "the bacteriological agent had a life span of no more than 48 hours". At the biological level, this is fairly unlikely. Unless the bacteria entirely destroy their host, and thus themselves, one would expect them to find a way of surviving in the environment.

Chemical weapons are horrific but relatively clean - apart from the risk of blowback onto to one's own forces when the wind changes.

Biological weapons are horrific and dirty.

The use of biological weapons opens a Pandora's Box of unintended consequences, which could - theoretically - include certain symptoms of Gulf War Syndrome.

If the allies did use biological weapons in Gulf War I, it was an incredibly reckless and stupid thing to do.

David Guyatt
03-28-2009, 02:47 PM
a) as a field test of a new biological agent. However, one would have expected a proper deep black scientific follow up, with a CBW SWAT team swarming over the site. If the recovery team actually consisted of just two Special Forces soldiers, then the field test hypothesis is unlikely.

b) if Saddam had indeed successfully landed a Scud packed with the chemical weapon, Sarin, inside Israel, then the allied forces may have upped the ante by dropping bombs containing both chemical and biological agents on Iraqi forces as a warning.

The two SpecForces guys were tasked specifically to locate the downed aircraft so that it could be recovered. It was. Evidence was not to be left on the battlefield. That was the sum of their involvement.

Both gentleman later died of GWS - or exposure to something.

iii) I have problems with the following claim and suspect that - at the scientific level - it's disinformation:


The source continued by stating that the aircraft
dropped biological warfare munition(s) on an Iraqi
chemical/biological weapons factory and that numerous
deaths resulted. Source states the munition (s) contained
a bacteriological agent with a life of no more than
48 hours. The bacterium was not communicable, and
had no given name, only a batch number. Those
attacked with this weapon drowned in their own
bodily fluids, according to the source, who added
that the bio-bomb was parachute deployed and its
contents dispersed by aerosol spray.

Specifically, I have a problem with the claim that "the bacteriological agent had a life span of no more than 48 hours". At the biological level, this is fairly unlikely. Unless the bacteria entirely destroy their host, and thus themselves, one would expect them to find a way of surviving in the environment.
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Possibly Jan. I am not sufficiently scientifically trained to assess this. However, the source who provided this information proved to be accurate in all other aspects, so far as I could establish - and I spoke to all sorts of people and many military types, SAS and numerous others - including someone who saw the recovered damaged aircraft in a temporary special compound at Camp 4. I also spoke to one of General Schwartkopf's bodyguards who was also very ill and thought he was dying from GWS. In fact over the many months I dedicated to this story I had input from all sorts of people.

It was unquestionably a very deep black military operation and highly compartmentalized and incredibly sensitive - which was why no one would publish it - even after one well known editor who repeatedly pleaded with me to give him the story. And when I eventually did, he set off on a Sunday afternoon to meet with a source at the CIA to confirm it. I never heard from him again. This became a rather typical reaction. People got heavily warned off. There was also a GAO investigator all over this story who met with many of the key sources and traveled to the UK for this purpose too. The conclusion I eventually drew was that this gentleman's job was to gather as much information as he could in order to effect an efficient clean up and cover up.

I can also add that I was told that the bacteriological agent was developed at Porton Down. I was told that people there were in a real sweat about its use. Fear was palpable.

Meanwhile, Tim Sebastian confirmed the essential elements of "Black Cat and knew that there was a second operation (i.e., Black Dog) but wasn't aware of the code-name of that operation and thus referred to it as "Black Cat 2".

As you know there is much I didn't publish. After all these years when I look back, I remain absolutely convinced that these operations took place as described.

Jan Klimkowski
03-28-2009, 03:03 PM
David - thanks for that further information.

I know you spoke directly with some very senior political figures and some very prominent reporters and editors. All of whom ended up refusing to publish the story - most probably because they were warned off.

The fact that individuals involved in the recovery and isolation of the plane dropping the CBW payload became ill with a GWS-type illness, with some of them subsequently dying, suggests that the claim that the biological agent had a 48-hour lifespan was wrong.

Indeed, at the scientific level, I really doubt the 48-hour claim. It is precisely because biological agents have the ability to survive and propagate once released into the environment that nations have - at least officially - agreed not to use them.

Here's a partial list of known biological weapons:


Diseases considered for weaponization, or known to be weaponized include anthrax , ebola, Marburg virus, plague , cholera , tularemia, brucellosis, Q fever, machupo, Coccidioides mycosis , Glanders, Melioidosis, Shigella, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, typhus , Psittacosis, yellow fever , Japanese B encephalitis , Rift Valley fever, and smallpox [18]. Naturally-occurring toxins that can be used as weapons include ricin, SEB, botulism toxin, saxitoxin, and many mycotoxins.

Not a single one of these disease agents has a lifespan limited to 48 hours.

So, to clarify, I'm not doubting your story. Quite the opposite - I consider it powerful and compelling.

I am doubting the claim made by sources that the biological agent had a 48-hour lifespan because I suspect the lifespan would have been much longer, and the agent far more persistent. It is precisely this longer and entirely unpredictable and uncontrollable lifespan that makes use of biological weapons so truly insane.

David Guyatt
03-28-2009, 04:28 PM
Quite possible Jan. The point I was making is that the source knew a fair amount about chemical and bio weapons but wasn't an expert of the quality expected from senior employees of Porton Down. He may have been purposely misinformed. But for reasons I do not wish to go into in public I would not have expected this, although it is possible.

Who knows?

The novel Ultra (Black Cat) speaks of an HIV type thingy. I can't now remember if this was an experimental HIV cure/medication or the actual virus itself (I do still have a copy of the novel, but it is not easily accessible and the thought of getting into the loft to check it does not inspire me with a sudden flush of energy). So it possible that the killer of the two SpecForces guys and Schwarzkopf's bodyguard (if indeed he did eventually succumb?) might have been from that source and not the recovery of the aircraft in question. In other words Black Cat may have been the cause and Black Dog a whole different ball game?

Jan Klimkowski
03-28-2009, 04:53 PM
The novel Ultra (Black Cat) speaks of an HIV type thingy. I can't now remember if this was an experimental HIV cure/medication or the actual virus itself (I do still have a copy of the novel, but it is not easily accessible and the thought of getting into the loft to check it does not inspire me with a sudden flush of energy).

This takes us into the territory explored by a world class scientist, Dr Garth Nicolson, who believes mycoplasmas are responsible for Gulf War Syndrome.

Some of his peer-reviewed work is available here:

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/mycoplas.htm

In written testimony, Nicolson has stated about Gulf War Illnesses (his phrase for Gulf War Syndrome):


Potential Sources of Exposures That Could Have Caused GWI

We consider it quite likely that many of the Desert Storm veterans suffering from the GWI signs and symptoms may have been exposed to chemical/biological toxins (exogenous or endogenous sources of these agents) containing slowly proliferating microorganisms (Mycoplasma, Brucella, Coxiella, etc.), and such infections, although not usually fatal, can produce various chronic signs and symptoms long after exposure. This would account for the illnesses being passed to immediate family members. The DoD has maintained that Iraqi offensive Chemical and Biological Weapons (CBW) were not released during or after the Gulf War, but over 14,000 Chemical Weapons alarms sounded during but not before the conflict and we did not have detection equipment forward deployed to be able to determine whether Biological Weapons were present. The Iraqi armed forces were operating under Soviet War Doctrine, which stresses offensive use of combinations of Chemical and Biological Weapons together with conventional weapons [23]. Evidence presented to Congress [8] indicated that it was extremely likely that Chemical Weapons were released during and certainly after the conflict when bunkers containing CBW were destroyed. Although chemical and/or radiological exposure(s) can result in somewhat similar signs and symptoms to those found in GWI, this does not explain the apparent contagious nature of GWI and the delayed appearance of similar signs and symptoms in immediate family members. Fortunately, the types of slow-growing, chronic infections found in a subset of GWI patients can be diagnosed and successfully treated using our published protocols [9-11, 20-22].

There were several potential sources of chronic biological agents in the Persian Gulf Theater [9, 23]. First, deployed soldiers were given multiple inoculations, in some cases with experimental vaccines in unproved immunization schemes, such as vaccines that were given all at once instead of using an appropriate schedule of inoculations over months or years. Multiple vaccinations given simultaneously can result in immunosuppression and leave an individual susceptible to opportunistic infections. Some of these experimental vaccines could also have been contaminated with small amounts of slow-growing microorganisms. In fact, some of the vaccine lots to be sent to the Gulf were removed because of "microorganism contamination." Next, the Iraqis were known to have extensive stockpiles of Biological Weapons and the potential to deliver these weapons offensively, at short range in modified Italian-made biological sprayers that deliver Biological Weapons onto the sand to create exclusionary zones or 'biological minefields' and at long range in modified SCUD-B (SS-1) missiles with 'airburst' warheads or sprayers carried by aircraft. As mentioned above, many of the storage and factory facilities where CBW were stored were destroyed immediately up to, during and after the Desert Storm ground offensive, releasing plumes containing these agents high in the atmosphere where they could be carried downwind ('blow-back' exposures) to our lines. These and other possible mechanisms of potential exposure must be carefully examined, not categorically dismissed by DoD personnel in Washington DC with little first-hand knowledge of the conditions on the ground. A number of possible reasons exist that could explain why the DoD and DVA deny that our forces were exposed to CBW agents during the Gulf War, but this does not rationalize the poor responses to GWI casualties [23].

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/testimony.htm

Continued in next post.

Jan Klimkowski
03-28-2009, 04:58 PM
Dr Garth Nicolson's credentials:


Professor Garth L. Nicolson is the President, Chief Scientific Officer and Research Professor at the Institute for Molecular Medicine in Huntington Beach, California (www.immed.org). Born in 1943 in Los Angeles, Dr. Nicolson received his B.S. in Chemistry from University of California at Los Angeles in 1965 and his Ph.D. in Biochemistry and Cell Biology from the University of California at San Diego in 1970. He is currently Professor of Integrative Medicine at Capitol University of Integrative Medicine and a Conjoint Professor at the University of Newcastle (Australia). He was formally the David Bruton Jr. Chair in Cancer Research and Professor and Chairman of the Department of Tumor Biology at the University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, and he was Professor of Internal Medicine and Professor of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine at the University of Texas Medical School at Houston. He was also Professor of Comparative Pathology at Texas A & M University. Professor Nicolson has published over 580 medical and scientific papers (including 3 Current Contents Citation Classics), edited 14 books, served on the Editorial Boards of 30 medical and scientific journals. Professor Nicolson has won many awards, such as the Burroughs Wellcome Medal of the Royal Society of Medicine (United Kingdom), Stephen Paget Award of the Metastasis Research Society, the U. S. National Cancer Institute Outstanding Investigator Award, and the Innovative Medicine Award of Canada. He is also a Colonel (Honorary) of the U. S. Army Special Forces and a U. S. Navy SEAL (Honorary) for his work on Armed Forces and veterans’ illnesses.

Garth L. Nicolson is a cell biologist and professor at University of California, San Diego.[1] He worked with his partner Seymour Jonathan Singer to find the fluid mosaic model of the cell membrane, which forms the model that is accepted today. Currently he is the President of the Institute for Molecular Medicine in Huntington Beach, California. He has been awarded several awards for his work in cancer, including the Burroughs Welcome Medal of the Royal Society of Medicine.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garth_Nicolson

Note that both US Special Forces and US Navy SEALS have honoured Dr Nicolson for his work on veterans' illnesses.

Now note the following:




Project Day Lily By Garth L. Nicolson, Ph.D and Nancy L. Nicolson, Ph.D. The Institute for Molecular Medicine www.immed.org


Order the book at www.projectdaylily.com


Project Day Lily chronicles the events surrounding the "Gulf War Syndrome” suffered by over 150,000 veterans (and tens of thousands dead) without proper acknowledgment or treatment to keep secret the origin of their illnesses. Were our Armed Forces exposed to chemical and biological toxins that were supplied, in part, by a sinister network of rogue bureaucrats, intelligence operatives and scientists? This is the story of how one of these biological agents was found by two American scientists as part of a massive testing program and how various academic and government employees did everything in their power to keep this information secret.

Project Day Lily is a fictionalized account of a true story. In order to stay of prison and out of court, as well as to protect their sources in the Pentagon, the Nicolsons decided to publish their experiences as a novel.


The book describes how Dr. Garth Nicolson and his wife Nancy discovered that weaponized mycoplasma and other biological agents were being tested on prisoners in the Texas prison system in the mid 1990s and long before. At the same time they found that 40% of Gulf War Illness patients were infected with Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus, a microorganism which was patented by the U.S. Army in 1991.


Following these discoveries, the Nicolsons endured numerous attempts on their lives. Six of the Nicolsons' scientific colleagues were murdered, including Dr. Fred Conrad (Colonel,USAF, retired), Dr. Garth Nicolson's boss at MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston . Fifteen minutes after Dr. Conrad told Dr. Nicolson that he was preparing to blow the whistle on illegal biological warfare testing at MD Anderson, he was shot six times in the back of the head by an assassin in his office.


Despite being a fully endowed department head and a world renowned scientist with over 550 articles in peer reviewed medical journals, Dr. Nicolson was forced to leave MD Anderson. This was only one of the American universities involved in secretly developing and testing biological weapons, in contravention of U.S. law. In 1996 he moved to Huntington Beach California and established a non-profit research organisation, the Institute for Molecular Medicine. To date, he has used his expertise to diagnose these infections in a wide range of chronic illness patients and to develop treatment protocols, most of which can be found on the website.


The Nicolsons found that the patented mycoplasma fermentans incognitus contained the HIV envelope gene, gp-120. This indicated that it had been modified in the laboratory to make it more pathogenic:



Preliminary evidence suggests that the Mycoplasma fermentans found inside white blood cells of GWI [Gulf War Illness] patients may have been modified to make it more pathogenic and more difficult to diagnose. Using the Nucleoprotein Gene Tracking assay we have found unusual gene sequences associated with the same mycoplasma nucleoprotein fraction. For example, we have found HIV-1 envelope gene sequences but not the other genes of the HIV-1 virus in equivalent nucleoprotein subfractions in a subset of GWI patients (17). Although this preliminary result will require conformation by sequencing the mycoplasma genome in the area of the putative inserted gene, the presence of the HIV-1 env gene could explain the unusual pathogenic properties of this mycoplasma and its ability to attach to and enter a variety of cells and tissues. Since the other genes of the HIV-1 virus were not detected in ODS veterans, these mycoplasma-positive GWI patients are not infected with the intact HIV-1 virus. Although GWI patients possess some of the signs and symptoms of an immunodefficiency syndrome, they do not progress to AIDS, nor do they test generally positive for intact HIV-1 virus in their serum or plasma (unpublished data). Some GWI patients, however, do test positive (false positive) in some AIDS tests that probe only the gp120 product of the HIV-1 env gene. In these patients additional testing for other HIV-1 gene products or enzymes has proved negative, suggesting support for the hypothesis that only the HIV-1 env gene and its encoded product are associated with M. fermentans infection of the type found in some GWI patients.


War and Health, H. Tapamainen, ed., Helsinki , Zed Press, 2002, pp. 431-446
GULF WAR ILLNESSES: ROLE OF CHEMICAL,
RADIOLOGICAL AND BIOLOGICAL EXPOSURES
Garth L. Nicolson, Ph.D., Marwan Nasralla, Ph.D.,
Joerg Haier, M.D., Ph.D. and Nancy L. Nicolson, Ph.D.
http://www.immed.org/publications/gulf_war_illness/whc.html

The Nicolsons found the gp-120 env. gene but no other HIV genes in the Gulf War veterans positive for M. fermentans incognitus. In contrast, HIV genes other than gp-120 were found in sick Huntsville prison guards. The Huntsville experiments pre-dated the Gulf War by a few years, which indicated that scientists were testing different HIV genes to see which ones were most effective. Probably, they found the gp-120 gene to be the most pathogenic, and this was the M. fermentans incognitus strain patented 1991 and injected into Gulf War troops.


During the years in which the Nicolsons defended the sick Gulf War veterans they developed secret contacts inside the Pentagon. These provided classified information such as the fact that approximately 30,000 veterans have died from Gulf War Illness. Worst still they confirmed that HIV/AIDS was a U.S. biological weapon (1). It was developed during the 1960s and 70s by the U.S. military as a weapon of mass destruction. Code named MK-NAOMI, ten candidate weapons were developed of which two were tested. HIV 1 turned out to be non-pathogenic and was tested in areas of Australia. HIV 2 was lethal and was later renamed HIV 1. This was tested and deployed in Africa and New York. Today HIV 2 is is concentrated in West Africa and is rarely found elsewhere. The Army patent on M. fermentans incognitus states that 81% of AIDS patients are infected with this particular organism, and that it is the necessary cofactor in the progression of the disease.


Project Day Lily was the real name of the secret programme to develop the mycoplasma weapon. Its origins go back to Nazi Germany, no less. The fermentans strain was recovered by the U.S. military from an old anthrax culture brought back to Germany by retreating SS units at the end of WWII. It is not clear whether I.G. Farben company actually isolated and characterized it or whether it was a contaminant in an anthrax culture. They were apparantly, testing this and other cultures on prisoners in the death camps. Under Project Paperclip, the U.S. Government brought leading Nazi scientists to the U.S. to work for them. Alongside the Manhattan Project, there were other top secrets projects such as the mind control project MK-ULTRA, and MK-NAOMI, the project to develop biological weapons for mass killing.


To read about mycoplasma fermentans incognitus visit the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office website and type in patent no. 5,242,820.


http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm

http://www.policestateplanning.com/project_day_lily.htm

Jan Klimkowski
03-28-2009, 05:11 PM
Below is a link to research on Dr Garth Nicolson's Institute website:

http://www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar_illness_research.html

Ed Jewett
07-28-2009, 05:26 PM
Never mind... doh!:banghead:

Jan Klimkowski
04-03-2012, 05:41 PM
a) as a field test of a new biological agent. However, one would have expected a proper deep black scientific follow up, with a CBW SWAT team swarming over the site. If the recovery team actually consisted of just two Special Forces soldiers, then the field test hypothesis is unlikely.

b) if Saddam had indeed successfully landed a Scud packed with the chemical weapon, Sarin, inside Israel, then the allied forces may have upped the ante by dropping bombs containing both chemical and biological agents on Iraqi forces as a warning.

The two SpecForces guys were tasked specifically to locate the downed aircraft so that it could be recovered. It was. Evidence was not to be left on the battlefield. That was the sum of their involvement.

Both gentleman later died of GWS - or exposure to something.




iii) I have problems with the following claim and suspect that - at the scientific level - it's disinformation:


The source continued by stating that the aircraft
dropped biological warfare munition(s) on an Iraqi
chemical/biological weapons factory and that numerous
deaths resulted. Source states the munition (s) contained
a bacteriological agent with a life of no more than
48 hours. The bacterium was not communicable, and
had no given name, only a batch number. Those
attacked with this weapon drowned in their own
bodily fluids, according to the source, who added
that the bio-bomb was parachute deployed and its
contents dispersed by aerosol spray.

Specifically, I have a problem with the claim that "the bacteriological agent had a life span of no more than 48 hours". At the biological level, this is fairly unlikely. Unless the bacteria entirely destroy their host, and thus themselves, one would expect them to find a way of surviving in the environment.


Possibly Jan. I am not sufficiently scientifically trained to assess this. However, the source who provided this information proved to be accurate in all other aspects, so far as I could establish - and I spoke to all sorts of people and many military types, SAS and numerous others - including someone who saw the recovered damaged aircraft in a temporary special compound at Camp 4. I also spoke to one of General Schwartkopf's bodyguards who was also very ill and thought he was dying from GWS. In fact over the many months I dedicated to this story I had input from all sorts of people.

It was unquestionably a very deep black military operation and highly compartmentalized and incredibly sensitive - which was why no one would publish it - even after one well known editor who repeatedly pleaded with me to give him the story. And when I eventually did, he set off on a Sunday afternoon to meet with a source at the CIA to confirm it. I never heard from him again. This became a rather typical reaction. People got heavily warned off. There was also a GAO investigator all over this story who met with many of the key sources and traveled to the UK for this purpose too. The conclusion I eventually drew was that this gentleman's job was to gather as much information as he could in order to effect an efficient clean up and cover up.

I can also add that I was told that the bacteriological agent was developed at Porton Down. I was told that people there were in a real sweat about its use. Fear was palpable.

Meanwhile, Tim Sebastian confirmed the essential elements of "Black Cat and knew that there was a second operation (i.e., Black Dog) but wasn't aware of the code-name of that operation and thus referred to it as "Black Cat 2".

As you know there is much I didn't publish. After all these years when I look back, I remain absolutely convinced that these operations took place as described.

I'm bumping this entire thread for several reasons.

It shines a light on the cowardice of the Fourth Estate.

It reveals the difficulty that a real investigative journalist, one David Guyatt, faced in uncovering and publishing the truth.

Given likely imminent events in the middle east, it is timely to recall the nature of the lethal and reckless covert operations known as Black Cat and Black Dog, and to remember their near total suppression.