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Myra Bronstein
04-01-2009, 03:16 AM
Because I'm coming apart.

Ok, now that that's out of the way...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/
1 - Register.
2 - Spread the word.

It's a big, very mainstream, forum. I could use the company...

[Note: On 4/04/09, to increase clarity, I changed the title of this thread from:
"Who wants to join me?"
"Who wants to join me at Democratic Underground/DU?"]

Peter Lemkin
04-01-2009, 06:45 AM
If they allow links back to DPF I'll consider it. Let me know. The mainstream Fora make me a tad uncomfortable sometimes - so off their 'center'. I hate to have to tone-down my righteous indignation and explain everything from first priciples...but can if it'll have an effect.

David Guyatt
04-01-2009, 07:56 AM
It seems like a smart move to me Myra. I'm going to be away for a few weeks shortly, but if you still need company when I return please holler and I'll join you.

Myra Bronstein
04-01-2009, 10:40 PM
It seems like a smart move to me Myra. I'm going to be away for a few weeks shortly, but if you still need company when I return please holler and I'll join you.

Thanks David. I'm hollering now, please join me there when you're able.

Myra Bronstein
04-01-2009, 10:45 PM
If they allow links back to DPF I'll consider it. Let me know. The mainstream Fora make me a tad uncomfortable sometimes - so off their 'center'. I hate to have to tone-down my righteous indignation and explain everything from first priciples...but can if it'll have an effect.

Who'se asking you to tone it down Peter? Not I. Go forth and agitate I say. People will never be more receptive to the truth than they are right now after witnessing the last few years and having mainstream propaganda diluted by the internet.

Nathaniel Heidenheimer
04-02-2009, 12:40 PM
Myra, I am already a member of DU and my name there is EPIC1934

Check out the thread on JFK and the Unspeakable that I added lots of posts to. You are right this is a HUGE SITE and can get lots of views. I have also been posting lots of Hudson articles here to try to increase circulation.

What is your name there?

Nathaniel Heidenheimer
04-02-2009, 01:02 PM
By the way Myra, I had this idea : It would be good if we could let people know about the new Dick Russell book. A few quotes from that last bunker buster of an essay would easily kick this into Amazon top 5,000 and possibly higher.

The other thought was the Evica book. Crime that more people dont know about it. I was thinking in the General Discussion section a nice long thread about C.D. Jackson? A Time-Lifer is always good for the meta-paranoia of the youngsters:listen: as my parakeet used to say!

I dont have time to start these now but will after May 15th.

By the way this site is really good. It is a great mix of naive democrats with some really well read folk. It is easy to underestimate the latter here.

Peter this is where you need to be posting. Makes no sense to only post where you cant win new converts.. AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE ALMOST NO COMPLETE IDIOTS HERE. This is a just the right hothouse for your consciousness.

Myra Bronstein
04-02-2009, 02:32 PM
Myra, I am already a member of DU and my name there is EPIC1934

Check out the thread on JFK and the Unspeakable that I added lots of posts to. You are right this is a HUGE SITE and can get lots of views. I have also been posting lots of Hudson articles here to try to increase circulation.

What is your name there?

Nathaniel, My user name there is Jemma.

Myra Bronstein
04-02-2009, 02:47 PM
By the way Myra, I had this idea : It would be good if we could let people know about the new Dick Russell book. A few quotes from that last bunker buster of an essay would easily kick this into Amazon top 5,000 and possibly higher.

The other thought was the Evica book. Crime that more people dont know about it. I was thinking in the General Discussion section a nice long thread about C.D. Jackson? A Time-Lifer is always good for the meta-paranoia of the youngsters:listen: as my parakeet used to say!

I dont have time to start these now but will after May 15th.

By the way this site is really good. It is a great mix of naive democrats with some really well read folk. It is easy to underestimate the latter here.

Peter this is where you need to be posting. Makes no sense to only post where you cant win new converts.. AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE ALMOST NO COMPLETE IDIOTS HERE. This is a just the right hothouse for your consciousness.

I'll do what I can there Nathaniel. Thanks for the suggestions.

I agree with your assessment of the site and the members. Huge site, tons of members. Mostly people who are paying attention and trying to understand what is being done to us. Many are still trying to cling to their idealist view of events, and their belief that we have a two party system and the Democrats are the good guys, but starting to catch on. A significant number have caught on and are posting excellent essays wherein they connect dots:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5361126&mesg_id=5367193

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5356012

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5361126

In the past people let themselves be intimidated by the "conspiracy theorist/tin foil hat" smears. But lately they're refusing to fall into that trap.

Historically the owners/admins have been the problem. They are apparently so terrified of being ridiculed that they promptly locked all threads with hint of independent thought, any insights into the plots that have destroyed our best leaders and institutions and way of life. It seems like the more persistent and bold members there are making inroads however. More and more I see threads, like the ones above, where people are openly discussing the types of patterns we discuss here and the thread is not locked or moved. I would like to think that this is a trend because the forum has such potential.

Hope you post there Peter. Smart people there with increasingly open minds. Fertile ground.

Myra Bronstein
04-04-2009, 05:26 PM
Sampling of enticing threads at DU. Some are locked/archived (not sure why that happens there) and some can be replied to. The threads that I appreciate tend to get locked over there... Anyway, they have a good search mechanism. Many of the good ones are posted as Journals.

Note: You have to be a member there with a number (10?) of replies to existing threads before you can start a new thread.

Topic - Coincidence Theorists:
[Obviously this topic influenced me:]
http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1131] http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2160541 (http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1131%5D%20http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2160541) /
The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1394943/
Lead Headed Coincidence Theorists!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=389&topic_id=5182380&mesg_id=5182380/
How many "Crazy Conspiracy Theories" have to come TRUE before we realize these are extreme times?

Topic - JFK:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5318170/
The Origins of John F. Kennedy’s Struggle against the CIA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=236308&mesg_id=236308/
If Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill JFK or wasn't a lone gunman, who did?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5125604/
JFK, FDR and 'Seven Days in May'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=209x6350/
JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5107140&mesg_id=5119779/
You're not aware that JFK signed NSAM 263 ordering . . .

Topic - Essays:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5372734/
The Distortion of U.S. History [Includes JFK]
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Time%20for%20change/445 /
The Internet Surging as a Major Influence in the Political Landscape
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Time%20for%20change/440 /
Twelve Things that Never Happened in U.S. History

Topic - Obama's and Obama's Owners:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5361126&mesg_id=5361126 /
President Obama and the Powers Behind the Throne
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5350983 /
Obama’s Nobel Headache, Paul Krugman has emerged as Obama's toughest liberal critic
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5389714 /
Obama Administration Seeking an Out on Bailout Rules for Firms

Myra Bronstein
04-07-2009, 04:00 AM
...
Historically the owners/admins have been the problem. They are apparently so terrified of being ridiculed that they promptly locked all threads with hint of independent thought, any insights into the plots that have destroyed our best leaders and institutions and way of life. It seems like the more persistent and bold members there are making inroads however. More and more I see threads, like the ones above, where people are openly discussing the types of patterns we discuss here and the thread is not locked or moved. I would like to think that this is a trend because the forum has such potential.
...

And the admins at DU are still a problem.

I posted my first essay at DU--this one (http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468).

After getting initial good response from other members, I received the following PM from a DU admin:

"We are removing your thread "Did Business Find President Kennedy Guilty of Treason in the Industrial War on Labor Unions?" because of the link to sign-of-the-times.org. There are certain websites that contain unreliable and/or conspiracy based articles that we do not permit linking to, and this is one of them.

cbayer
DU Moderator"

I replied:

"Could I please get a list of websites that you do not permit links to so I can avoid them?"

And got the following response:

">We can't supply you with a list, as it changes all the time.
>If a site appears to contain bigoted, conspiracy based or
>generally unreliable information, it will probably be removed
>or moved to another forum (like 9/11). You can always PM the
>admnistrators of the site or a moderator in the forum in which
>you plan to post if you want to inquire about a specific
>site.
>
>cbayer
>DU Moderator"

Most interesting. What do y'all think?

Peter Lemkin
04-07-2009, 07:41 AM
...
Historically the owners/admins have been the problem. They are apparently so terrified of being ridiculed that they promptly locked all threads with hint of independent thought, any insights into the plots that have destroyed our best leaders and institutions and way of life. It seems like the more persistent and bold members there are making inroads however. More and more I see threads, like the ones above, where people are openly discussing the types of patterns we discuss here and the thread is not locked or moved. I would like to think that this is a trend because the forum has such potential.
...

And the admins at DU are still a problem.

I posted my first essay at DU--this one (http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468).

After getting initial good response from other members, I received the following PM from a DU admin:

"We are removing your thread "Did Business Find President Kennedy Guilty of Treason in the Industrial War on Labor Unions?" because of the link to sign-of-the-times.org. There are certain websites that contain unreliable and/or conspiracy based articles that we do not permit linking to, and this is one of them.

cbayer
DU Moderator"

I replied:

"Could I please get a list of websites that you do not permit links to so I can avoid them?"

And got the following response:

">We can't supply you with a list, as it changes all the time.
>If a site appears to contain bigoted, conspiracy based or
>generally unreliable information, it will probably be removed
>or moved to another forum (like 9/11). You can always PM the
>admnistrators of the site or a moderator in the forum in which
>you plan to post if you want to inquire about a specific
>site.
>
>cbayer
>DU Moderator"

Most interesting. What do y'all think?

Myra, you certainly have an uphill [or vertical] fight ahead of you. :banghead: I suggest you explain to them that the 'official' version of 911 is conspiracy based and thus no US govt. sanctioned stories be allowed.

Magda Hassan
04-07-2009, 01:28 PM
Sounds like they make it up as they go along. Seems quite reasonable to have a list of 'banned sites' if they want to ban them from their forum but there seems no definite policy, just moderators whims involved. And if they had list it should be there for all to see. Also seems like a lot of work for the admins to check and know about every link. And do they ever really know? Are they paid full time or something? And what's is it with this blanket anti conspiracy nonsense? Conspiracy does not equate to unreliable any more than the 'official' version of any story renders it reliable. A skeptical eye for all things. As Peter says the 'official' 911 theory is a conspiracy theory. And in Kennedy's case the government officially admits there was a conspiracy. Not that they ever DO anything about it though. But it is on the record.

Myra Bronstein
04-07-2009, 10:49 PM
Thanks for the input Maggie and Peter. As I mentioned before the admins and forum owners are the problem there. They strictly enforce undefined rules, and are phobic about "conspiracy theories" to the point where I have to wonder about their agenda. Merely mentioning "JFK" will get a post moved to the "911" dungeon where all "conspiracy" posts are tossed. They won't even create a more general "conspiracy" folder.

To make it even more interesting they're member funded. So apparently they have enough members who are willing to fund heavy censorship to keep going.

I seriously wonder about their agenda.

Myra Bronstein
04-07-2009, 11:19 PM
Minus the offending links:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5410497

And updated a bit for relevance.
Should be interesting...

Myra Bronstein
04-07-2009, 11:20 PM
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/jemma

:ridinghorse:

Peter Lemkin
04-08-2009, 04:56 AM
Thanks for the input Maggie and Peter. As I mentioned before the admins and forum owners are the problem there. They strictly enforce undefined rules, and are phobic about "conspiracy theories" to the point where I have to wonder about their agenda. Merely mentioning "JFK" will get a post moved to the "911" dungeon where all "conspiracy" posts are tossed. They won't even create a more general "conspiracy" folder.

To make it even more interesting they're member funded. So apparently they have enough members who are willing to fund heavy censorship to keep going.

I seriously wonder about their agenda.

The administration of the site likely has an agenda well defined [keep it in the Democratic party boundarylines], but for many of the supporters it is likely see no evil; hear no evil; speak no evil - as in the three monkeys. Plus, the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome. See if telling about the Emperor's Clothes goes to the 911 dungeon. This is the main problem in American and to a lesser extent other 'de-veloped' countries.......among the yuppie class especially - Myra don'tyaknow ya can't talk about Oswald not being the assassin or the WTC being brought down on purpose by other than 19 meccamaniacs with botox in your face, a Starbucks by your laptop, and all the latest clothes on - not to mention the fab new car sitting outside. Anyway, all 'those' 'conspiracies' are such a 'downer' and don't match the smileyface buttons, sweatshirts and groupthink self-hypnosis. :proud: :aetsch:

Myra Bronstein
04-08-2009, 04:26 PM
...
The administration of the site likely has an agenda well defined [keep it in the Democratic party boundarylines], but for many of the supporters it is likely see no evil; hear no evil; speak no evil - as in the three monkeys. Plus, the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome. See if telling about the Emperor's Clothes goes to the 911 dungeon. This is the main problem in American and to a lesser extent other 'de-veloped' countries.......among the yuppie class especially - Myra don'tyaknow ya can't talk about Oswald not being the assassin or the WTC being brought down on purpose by other than 19 meccamaniacs with botox in your face, a Starbucks by your laptop, and all the latest clothes on - not to mention the fab new car sitting outside. Anyway, all 'those' 'conspiracies' are such a 'downer' and don't match the smileyface buttons, sweatshirts and groupthink self-hypnosis. :proud: :aetsch:

Great answer Peter.

Nathaniel Heidenheimer
04-12-2009, 02:59 PM
Having glanced at the last few notes on this thread,I would just like to add that in spite of the mentioned censorship, I think this is still a very very very valuable site to post on The reasons are two

a) its high traffic
b) its between like status ie between democrats and those who are more open minded and who post a lot about the assassination, real power structures et al

This betweeness is a very important baby to consider before throwing out bathwater. True I have never been censored there. I have mostly used sources from books.

Reguardless of how offended we may be it as AN INCREDIBLE WAY OF MOVING BOOKS. BOOKS WILL CONVINCE. ALL ELSE IS JUST A MEANS TO THAT END. ALSO THIS SITE AND EDUCATION FORUM WILL CONVINCE (SORRY DID I COMMIT HERESY? SITES LIKE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND ARE ONE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. THERE MIGHT BE SOME DOG POOP HITHERING ON THE YON. If that turns us away from the fight we are in deeper phenomonology than I thought.

Purities result in very low book sales.

Myra Bronstein
04-12-2009, 04:44 PM
Having glanced at the last few notes on this thread,I would just like to add that in spite of the mentioned censorship, I think this is still a very very very valuable site to post on The reasons are two

a) its high traffic
b) its between like status ie between democrats and those who are more open minded and who post a lot about the assassination, real power structures et al

This betweeness is a very important baby to consider before throwing out bathwater. True I have never been censored there. I have mostly used sources from books.

Reguardless of how offended we may be it as AN INCREDIBLE WAY OF MOVING BOOKS. BOOKS WILL CONVINCE. ALL ELSE IS JUST A MEANS TO THAT END. ALSO THIS SITE AND EDUCATION FORUM WILL CONVINCE (SORRY DID I COMMIT HERESY? SITES LIKE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND ARE ONE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. THERE MIGHT BE SOME DOG POOP HITHERING ON THE YON. If that turns us away from the fight we are in deeper phenomonology than I thought.

Purities result in very low book sales.

Thanks Nathaniel. I really needed the pep talk 'cause I'm so beyond frustrated with the owners and admins there. And I am seriously wondering about their agenda...

But I should probably just chill out/wise up and take advantage of what's good about the place.

Nathaniel Heidenheimer
06-03-2009, 11:51 AM
Hi everyone. I am asking citizens who have time and would like to reach lots of folk to post on this excellent thread started by someone on DU other than myself.

I got kicked off this forum for a stated reason that I believe is not the real reason, so it would be great if others could post here.

Now why would I recommend this post if it is so undemocratic? I MUST KEEP IN MIND MY GOAL; IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WEASLY ADMINS WHO BANNED ME FOR MY POSTING THE ARTICLE CALLED THE BOOK OF RAHM ABOUT RAHM EMANUEL. MY GOAL IS TO REACH LOTS AND LOTS OF FOLK AND PARTICULARY IN THE AREA OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM WHERE THERE HAS BEEN THE MOST TARGETTED GATEKEEPING DISINFORMATION.

DU IS THAT AREA.

Did the Freedom Riders refuse to use a highway out of righteous moral indignation? Or did they contest the idiocy at every moment they could?

I am even applying for readmission to the soap-statue-people who police the joint. That is just how little I care for them and how much I care about the opportunity here.:captain::banghead:
please see how many have seen this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5757851&mesg_id=5757851

Nathaniel Heidenheimer
06-03-2009, 12:05 PM
OK even if you disagree with everything I have ever said post on here anyway AT LEAST IN RESPONSE TO THE POSTS BY THE IDEOT NAMED STOPBUSH and the one or two others about Vietnam.

This must must must must must be soundly refuted by an organism that knows how to do it smackdownstyle. this is precisely the sludge that is dished out and lots and lots of people are seeing this!

I am litigating my own skin-- that is how flustedred I am that I cannot respond to this ideocy Plesase somebody help i will send you a dollar

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5757851&mesg_id=5757851

Dawn Meredith
06-03-2009, 08:57 PM
I went to the site Nate but the threads are all in blue hypertext, that used to happen to me at EF sometimes too and there was a way I could put them in normal chron. I tried to cut and paste to show you but not sure if it will come out the way it looks on the screen. So trying to read the threads is too much of a hassle. Why on earth are you kicked off a damn JFK assassination site? YOU of all people?
Dawn
No it does not show the way it looks on my screen...oh well..

Replies to this thread
It certainly is appearing that way. Mnemosyne Jun-01-09 11:35 PM #1
knr nt slipslidingaway Jun-01-09 11:37 PM #2
If Congress had stopped the torture in the first place they wouldn't be doing this now? Rosa Luxemburg Jun-01-09 11:38 PM #3
I can't understand it, much less defend it. dgibby Jun-01-09 11:40 PM #
OK, I'll start Canuckistanian Jun-01-09 11:40 PM #4
Hey you forgot the best one!

Nathaniel Heidenheimer
06-04-2009, 02:00 AM
Dawn this is not a specifically JFK site but a general strategically-vague-left-liberal- allow-some-karping-but-only-to-better-control-and-fragment-real-dissent site.

That said, there is some real stuff here,its got huge numbers, and perhaps most importantly this is the exact audience that most of the JFK disinformation is specifically aimed at. as witness what the idiot named stop bush is poting there:puke: Because of the huge number of sites, and also because so much work has been done on this site to convince the majority of the correct occurances, this superficial idiot who has either read nothing but Chomsky quips or is deliberately disinforming must be responded to!!:viking: