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Cliff Varnell
01-04-2014, 09:45 PM
THE ONLY TOWN THAT MATTERS

by Cliff "the Midwive of Hardcore" Varnell

According to Wikipedia:

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Hardcore_punk?qsrc=3044



Hardcore punk (usually referred to simply as hardcore) is a punk rock (http://www.ask.com/wiki/Punk_rock?qsrc=3044) music genre (http://www.ask.com/wiki/Music_genre?qsrc=3044) and subculture (http://www.ask.com/wiki/Punk_subculture?qsrc=3044) that originated in the late 1970s. Hardcore music is generally faster, heavier, and more abrasive than regular punk rock.The origin of the term "hardcore punk" is uncertain.


The Origin History of the term "Hardcore Punk Rock" -- a timeline '79 to '81.

Fall of 1979:
Joey Shithead (Joe Keithley), lead singer/guitarist for Vancouver BC punk rock band D.O.A., gave an interview in San Francisco fanzine CREEP wherein he said, "D.O.A. is one of only a half-dozen hardcore punk rock bands in North America." When asked about it decades later Joe admits he never remembered saying "hardcore punk rock" in that interview.

Also, Joe could have been referring to a lot more than a half-dozen bands who fit the bill in the fall of 1979: Black Flag, the Germs, Avengers, Dead Kennedys, Crime, Subhumans (Can.), the Middle Class, Fear, the Bags, Flesh Eaters, Weirdos, Angry Samoans, UXA, No Alternative, the Teen Idles, Misfits and Bad Brains -- as well as D.O.A. -- were established bands with the hardest sounds. By then the Dils were already turning country, and Negative Trend had broken into Flipper and the Toiling Midgets. X, Mutants, Social Distortion, Alley Cats, Offs, Plugz, Gears, Big Boys and the Zeros had more straight-ahead sounds with all the attitude. (& the Lewd, Versus, the VKTMs, Vicious Circle, Vom, the Klan...oh man!)

Oct. 31, 1979:
My fellow Reno record collector pal Tom Borghino introduces me to Jello Biafra, lead singer of the Dead Kennedys.

"Come play Reno," I said.

"Find us a place to play," Biafra said.

Dec. 1979:
Tom and I see Black Flag at the Mabuhay Gardens, opening for Madness and the Dead Kennedys. Black Flag were the most radical band I'd ever seen.

On that trip I picked up a small pile of punk zines, and in one (not sure which) I read a variation of the J.G. Ballard line: "If it wasn't recorded, it didn't happen."

I immediately knew I wanted to "do something that didn't happen."

Early January 1980:
Tom and I start hanging out with brothers Kevin and Steve Marvelli. Kevin sings and plays guitar and Steve plays bass. They had a band called X-Banned but no drummer.

January 13:
Tom and Kev help me spin disks at a New Wave Night at a local disco.

DJ 80/60 lasted about 6 months during which I first put out a bunch of lame flyers and lame "Alternative Top 10" lists.

During that time I radicalized Tom and Kev politically while they radicalized me musically culminating in DJ 80/60's best work -- 9-weeks of Reno Alternative Top Ten listings published on the album cover of the Crass double lp Stations of the Crass -- "90 in 80"

January 18:
Two non-musicians -- Tom Borghino and I -- formed a band with Kev and Steve which Kev would christen -- 7Seconds. Tom and I held an audition to see who'd be the drummer and who'd be the manager -- as per a conversation we had the night before -- and Tom was hands down the best drummer.

The next day Tom's brother Jimmy ("Dim Menace") joined on lead vocals with "Kevin Seconds," "Steve Youth," and "Tom Munist".

More background info here: "The Subversive History of the Original 7Seconds"

http://originalsevenseconds.com

End of January 1980:
I read the D.O.A. interview in CREEP and was struck with the phrase "hardcore punk rock."

Louder-faster-shorter songs + DIY ethic + a subversive intent sharp and sincere.

I brought it up at the next band practice. "D.O.A. calls themselves 'hardcore punk', cool hunh?"

Kev: "Cool."

Steve: "Cool."

Tom: "Nah...I don't like 'hardcore'. I like 'punk rock', just as it is."

Tom didn't lose many battles in the band as I recall, but this was one of them.

March 2:
7Seconds debuted at the Townhouse, a sorta-rocker-sorta-country bar in Reno. Kev and Steve booked the show during a sit down with the owner while Tom and I were down in the Bay.

Bessie and Jone, a couple of Rocky Horror Show regulars and Reno High students, showed up dressed up, with a friend or two in tow, and stood in front of the stage cheering loud for 7Seconds.

Hardcore punk scene born.

March 4:
Kev and I put out a joint NWIN/Spunk#1 -- a 2-page xerox sheet -- both of us referring to 7Seconds as "hardcore new wave." We thought "new wave" and "punk rock" were inter-changeable.

March 9:
The Zeros were the first out of town band we brought up, at the Townhouse with 7Seconds. The Zeros were managed by the former Dils manager and active communist Peter Urban. They told us "new wave" was fucked -- news to us. I immediately changed New Wave In Nevada Enterprises to New What? in Nevada Enterprises. Before the end of the year I'd trade in that wimpy company name for -- Hard Corp Productions.

May 4:
New What? put on a "Dance Party" at the local Pub 'N Sub with me, Tom, Kev, Steve, and Greg "Bad Otis" Link taking turns spinning disks. Link did the artwork for the flyer.

After the show Tom's other brother Richie introduced me to guitarist Sean Greaves, who drank every beer I bought him while I took notes on his observations of the thriving Reno scene his band the Outpatients (formed 1978) had going with house parties. Acting blase about punk rock in Reno, Greaves said he was working on a new band concept (the soon to be christened Thrusting Squirters), and he glibly made up some other punk band that didn't exist (Johnny Zipper).

I had been working on an article for CREEP magazine about 7Seconds, but I made it about the Reno scene, Johnny Zipper and all.

May 1980:
Finished the article for CREEP, entitled -- "Reno Breaking Out" -- under the by-line: N. Wine. Referred to 7Seconds as "hardcore punk rockers, thank you."

I felt confident at the time that I was the first journalist to use the term "hardcore." I pegged Joe Shithead as the musician who coined it, and I pegged myself as the first journalist/promoter of hardcore punk as a distinct musical sub-genre. This struck me as a perfectly adequate event I could make sure "didn't happen" by leaving out any reference to my own activities in Reno, a line of anonymity eventually held for 3 decades.

If the management of a "deep event" -- Anonymity-As-Art-Project -- is the foremost ambition, nothing beats serial incompetence as a tonic for deliberate obscurity.

June 2:
7Seconds played a biker bar north of Reno, Cindy's. The first Reno punk band, Belvue (formed 1977), also played. Belvue (Jim & Mark Diederichsen, Jon Bell) had an alt-pop look and edge years ahead of their time. At the Cindy's show we met the whole Sean Greaves-Lou Chavez-Bix Bigler crew -- the Thrusting Squirters --a Dictators-style punk band now tearing up the rocknroller parties over by the high school.

7Seconds tapped into this house party scene and played them almost weekly going forward.

Summer of 1980:
Cocky punker graffitti-type slogan: RENO. THE ONLY TOWN THAT MATTERS.

7Seconds performs -- "Hardcore Rules"

Bessie (Oakley) Wrecks and Jone (Stebbins) Jetson form the Wrecks with Lynn (Perko) Lust and Helen (??) Keller, fellow Reno High students.

Cari Marvelli, Kevin and Steve's sister, forms G.I. Jane with members of 7Seconds.

Late Summer 1980:
Greaves' friend Tony Toxic opens the Rad House in a black neighborhood on the north side of town. The Rad House stayed open until late March 1981, hosting D.O.A. (twice), Black Flag, the Subhumans (Can.), Social Unrest, Impatient Youth, Young Canadians, The Lewd, as well as local bands 7Seconds, Section 8, Thrusting Squirters, the Wrecks, the Outpatients, G.I. Jane, Mike Niemi's Fair Warning, and any number of 'fuck bands.'

Early Fall 1980:
Steve Youth and I agree to start writing scene reports for the top San Francisco punk rock publications -- Damage, and CREEP.

Steve picked Damage, I picked CREEP, for whom I'd already written a scene report.

Damage was a magazine with commercial aspirations; CREEP was a fanzine without.

Nothing came of it -- neither of us wrote any more scene reports. Several weeks later I got into a conversation with Brad Lapin, the publisher of Damage, at a Target Video after-hours party in San Francisco.

"What's the difference between punk and hardcore punk," Lapin asked.

"The difference between punk and hardcore punk is the difference between Damage and CREEP."

Cocky.

Oct. 17:
D.O.A and the Young Canadians play the Rad House, with most of the local bands except Belvue, who had unfortunately broken up by then.

Oct. 24:
7Seconds plays out of town for the first time, at the Western Front Festival at the FAB MAB in San Francisco with D.O.A., the Minutemen, the Feederz, and Tank.

Oct. 31:
7Seconds survives a drunken Halloween brawl between Dim, Tom and I. Dim Menace leaves the band, Belvue guitarist Jim Diederichsen joins.

December 1980:
D.O.A. invites 7 Seconds to play a Valentine's weekend festival in Vancouver, soon to be called "Hardcore '81" after DOA reads about "hardcore" in Damage magazine.

January 14, 1981:
7Seconds temporarily disbands. Kev fires me, Tom and Jim D.

Late January 1981:
Tom Borghino and I form Section 8 with Dim Menace on vocals, Jim Diederichsen on guitar, Lou Chavez on bass, Tom on drums, me as manager with double duty writing lyrics ("USSR Gone Too Far" and "Killer Stuff", co-write with Dim on "Nevada's Had it").

Feb 13 & 14:
Section 8 plays both nights of the "Hardcore '81" Festival. D.O.A.'s "Hardcore '81" album and tour in the Fall of '81 helped fuel a movement Joey Shithead had unknowingly set off 2 years earlier in his CREEP mag interview.

March 1981:
After trying out a rocker drummer for 6 weeks or so, 7Seconds re-forms with Kev, Steve, and Tom Borghino -- the killer three-piece.

March 23:
Dead Kennedys, D.O.A. play the VFW Hall. I was unemployed and broke at the time so I borrowed $300 from my parents to put on the show, about the same amount of money that was in a briefcase stolen out of my car that night. The Santa Cruz kids kept going all Orange County on everyone in the pit. Bessie and G.I. Jane (Cari Marvelli) got into a hell of a cat fight. In the middle of the Dead Kennedys set some local rocker jagoff started twisting knobs at the sound board, killing the show.

The next day one of the scene regulars, a 15 year old girl, jumped off the roof of the MGM Grand Casino. That night Reno cops raided the Rad House on a noise complaint. Disappointed they found no drugs, the cops settled for jacking up the under-age Steve Youth.

Couple of days later the Rad House was ransacked and trashed, reputedly by relatives of the deceased.

Spring of 1981:
Kevin Seconds and Steve Youth of 7Seconds, Bessie Wrecks and Jone Jetson of The Wrecks, started talking on the phone to Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat and Tesco Vee of the Meatmen. As much as anything, these conversations were what laid the ground for "Hardcore Punk" to become a national phenomenon in the summer of 1981.

The Reno kids carried a lot of street cred with Lansing and DC.

"Tesco's really into the Reno scene," Steve Youth told me. And not above spreading Reno-scene shit-talk in the intro to "Tooling for Anus"??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geSAhTazsCc

Ian MacKaye remembers talking to the kids in DC about "hardcore punk" -- but does he remember talking to the Reno kids first, who'd already been "hardcore" almost a year and a half by then?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIRKz-BtcaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIRKz-BtcaA)

Ian talked up "straight edge" and Kev talked up "hardcore" and the rest is history. See Steven Blush's "American Hardcore" for the near-definitive history of Hardcore Punk Rock.

Steven Blush is one chapter short of writing THE definitive history of HC -- the 3rd Edition of "American Hardcore" will cinch it!

Suggested title for "missing" chapter -- "Reno '80: The Only Town That Matters"

Tracy Riddle
01-05-2014, 02:15 AM
Is this from a website, Cliff? I love all those bands too. I was a little too young to see any of them back in the day, though I grew up in the Los Angeles area.

Kara Dellacioppa
01-05-2014, 03:00 AM
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1. Official documents released today reveal that a spoof recording made by anarchist punk band Crass resulted in MI6 informing Margaret Thatcher that they may have uncovered a new form of Soviet propaganda campaign.
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Wikimedia Commons / Channel R / Via en.wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crass_pete_steve_andy.png)
Crass – known for releases such as “Nagasaki Nightmare” and “Penis Envy” – undertook a variety of anti-establishment protests during the late 1970s and early 1980s.
None were more successfully subversive as when, in 1982, the band spliced together recordings of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and US President Ronald Reagan to make it sound as though they were arguing over the Falklands War and discussing the possibility of launching nuclear weapons at Germany.
Crass then posted the tape to Dutch newspapers, who swiftly dismissed it as a fake. But a few months later the US State Department got hold of a copy and loudly proclaimed it to be an example of underhand Soviet Union propaganda.
Official UK government documents, declassified for the first time today, show that Margaret Thatcher was kept updated on the incident by the Foreign Office. The papers also suggest that MI6, the CIA and the US State Department were in communication with each other regarding the tape for up to two years.

2. A Foreign Office official first wrote to Thatcher in 1983, warning the Prime Minister that the recording could be an Argentinian or Soviet intelligence operation designed to discredit her, according to one of the newly-released letters.
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The embassy in Hague recently passed to London a tape recording of a purported telephone conversation between the Prime Minister and President Reagan during the Falklands crisis.
This looks like a rather clumsy operation. We have no evidence so far about who is responsible. SIS [also known as MI6] doubt whether this is a Soviet operation. It is possible that one of the Argentine intelligence services might have been behind it; or alternatively it might be the work of left-wing groups in this country.


4. Then The Sunday Times ran a piece entitled “How the KGB fools the West’s press” based on a US State Department briefing about the tape. It blamed the Russian security services for the forgery.
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…journalists across the world have fallen for an increasing flow of such stories based on “authoritative” cables, memo and tapes. The State Department in Washington says they are all products of an increasingly sophisicated Russian campaign.

“They have accelerated their efforts and they have fine-tuned them,” claims Larry Semakis, deputy director of a State Department team that monitors what the Russians call “active measures.” He admits that “no one can specifically prove in a court of law that Soviet hand was on this or that item.” But he says there is a pattern in the use of forgeries which points unmistakably to the Russians.
The State Department believes that “active measures” are the responsibility of the KGB’s first directorate; that some forgeries go as high as the ruling Politburo for approval…
Via dangerousminds.net (http://dangerousminds.net/comments/anarcho_punkd_crasss_infamous_thatchergate_tape)

6. The newly-released letters reveal that Thatcher herself was concerned by the recording that Crass had made in their bedroom.
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Via filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk (http://filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/prem-19-1380.pdf)
The Prime Minister even sought advice from the foreign secretary and home secretary as to whether she should discuss the tape in an interview on the BBC’s Panorama.


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8. Futher news coverage of the tape led the Foreign Office to send Thatcher another letter in 1984 regarding continued suggestions that this was a piece of Soviet “disinformation”.

Neither our friends nor CIA considered this very likely, but further analysis would have required a disproportionate commitment of resources which even CIA felt unable to contemplate.


9. All of this is quite amazing because the original recording is not very convincing.


youtube.com (http://youtube.com/watch?v=QmfLP1IOip8)
Excerpts from the faked Thatcher and Reagan recording can be heard in the background of this later Crass release. It says something about Cold War paranoia that the security services thought this could be part of a Soviet smear campaign.
Eventually, in 1984, The Observer outed Crass as the group behind the tape, prompting a police visit to the group’s headquarters in rural Essex.

10. Still, the correspondence went on and the Prime Minister continued to be updated on the tape. The foreign secretary and home secretary were consulted once again and this letter was sent to Downing Street.
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Via filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk (http://filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/prem-19-1380.pdf)

11. BuzzFeed phoned former Crass singer Steve Ignorant – now a volunteer lifeboatman in Norfolk – to tell him that the 1982 spoof tape had been discussed at high levels of government in both Washington DC and London.

12. This is what he said:

It makes me a bit worried about governments because if they could be fooled by something so ridiculous… well, someone told us that there was an MI5 dossier on us but we didn’t take it that seriously.
I’m quite stunned [the recording] went that far.
[Bass player Pete Wright] just vanished upstairs one day with a load of little cassette tapes and – with a razor blade and sellotape – was slicing together stuff that he’d recorded off a black and white portable TV that we couldn’t tune in properly.
Just as a joke he had it sent to Europe and sent back to various newspapers from Belgium. We didn’t think for a second people would take it seriously. But obviously people did.

Magda Hassan
01-05-2014, 05:08 AM
How A Punk Band Fooled MI6, Scared Margaret Thatcher And Almost Caused A Diplomatic Incident


11. BuzzFeed phoned former Crass singer Steve Ignorant – now a volunteer lifeboatman in Norfolk – to tell him that the 1982 spoof tape had been discussed at high levels of government in both Washington DC and London.



12. This is what he said:

It makes me a bit worried about governments because if they could be fooled by something so ridiculous… well, someone told us that there was an MI5 dossier on us but we didn’t take it that seriously.
I’m quite stunned [the recording] went that far.
[Bass player Pete Wright] just vanished upstairs one day with a load of little cassette tapes and – with a razor blade and sellotape – was slicing together stuff that he’d recorded off a black and white portable TV that we couldn’t tune in properly.
Just as a joke he had it sent to Europe and sent back to various newspapers from Belgium. We didn’t think for a second people would take it seriously. But obviously people did.



::cheers:: Thanks for that Kara! Hilarious and pathetic at the same time. Love how all these old punks and rockers who've made it to old age are still doing socially great things like volunteering their time as life boatmen or setting up freedom of speech defenders like the EFF and funding AIDS research while people like Thatcher could not be seen in public with out a police protection whose only 'friends' are war criminals and equally despised and worried their secret stash of stolen money would be discovered.

Kara Dellacioppa
01-05-2014, 05:15 AM
How A Punk Band Fooled MI6, Scared Margaret Thatcher And Almost Caused A Diplomatic Incident


11. BuzzFeed phoned former Crass singer Steve Ignorant – now a volunteer lifeboatman in Norfolk – to tell him that the 1982 spoof tape had been discussed at high levels of government in both Washington DC and London.



12. This is what he said:

It makes me a bit worried about governments because if they could be fooled by something so ridiculous… well, someone told us that there was an MI5 dossier on us but we didn’t take it that seriously.
I’m quite stunned [the recording] went that far.
[Bass player Pete Wright] just vanished upstairs one day with a load of little cassette tapes and – with a razor blade and sellotape – was slicing together stuff that he’d recorded off a black and white portable TV that we couldn’t tune in properly.
Just as a joke he had it sent to Europe and sent back to various newspapers from Belgium. We didn’t think for a second people would take it seriously. But obviously people did.



::cheers:: Thanks for that Kara! Halarious and pathetic at the same time. Love how all these old punks and rockers who've made it to old age are still doing socially great things like volunteering their time as life boatmen or setting up freedom of speech defenders like the EFF and funding AIDS research while people like Thatcher could not be seen in public with out a police protection whose only 'friends' are war criminals and equally despised and worried their secret stash of stolen money would be discovered.

cheers! this made my evening seeing this on buzzfeed! a bit of a pick me up! ::hooray::

David Guyatt
01-05-2014, 09:02 AM
2. A Foreign Office official first wrote to Thatcher in 1983, warning the Prime Minister that the recording could be an Argentinian or Soviet intelligence operation designed to discredit her, according to one of the newly-released letters.
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Tracy Riddle
01-05-2014, 02:15 PM
…journalists across the world have fallen for an increasing flow of such stories based on “authoritative” cables, memo and tapes. The State Department in Washington says they are all products of an increasingly sophisicated Russian campaign.

“They have accelerated their efforts and they have fine-tuned them,” claims Larry Semakis, deputy director of a State Department team that monitors what the Russians call “active measures.” He admits that “no one can specifically prove in a court of law that Soviet hand was on this or that item.” But he says there is a pattern in the use of forgeries which points unmistakably to the Russians.
The State Department believes that “active measures” are the responsibility of the KGB’s first directorate; that some forgeries go as high as the ruling Politburo for approval…

My god, what a bunch of crazy conspiracy kooks. ::rofl::

Cliff Varnell
01-05-2014, 09:22 PM
Is this from a website, Cliff? I love all those bands too. I was a little too young to see any of them back in the day, though I grew up in the Los Angeles area.

It's a not-quite-rough draft of a particular corner of music history, stuff I've been sitting on for 34 years.

Thing is, to romanticize this subject is to kill its spirit in the marrow of its bones.

Some of this info first appeared on a hijacked Nutter thread over at the Ed Forum -- John Simkins booted the Nutter and my little off-topic nuggets went out with the bath water.

It was as perfectly non-romantic as I can imagine -- two days before the 50th, off-hand, accidental, I revealed closely held historical information only under personal attack on my biography...

And then gone.

So I've felt the obligation to make a fuller accounting, and thus this timeline.

Crass?

We loved Crass! Proto-hardcore to the max.

In the summer of 1980 I used a copy of the cover of Stations of the Crass to put out 10 weeks worth of my Alternative Top Ten -- it was a hundred of our fave songs listed on Stations' gray "wall".

I put a Go-Go's song at the top, just to keep a sense of humor about it...

Cliff Varnell
02-23-2014, 03:54 AM
Louder-faster-shorter songs + DIY ethic + a subversive intent sharp and sincere.




Hardcore punk rock!


How d'ya like us NOW?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjI0KYl9gWs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjI0KYl9gWs)

Cliff Varnell
09-28-2015, 05:09 AM
I just made the first addition to the Hardcore Origin Timeline in 20 months.

The entry for "Early Fall 1980" is new. (I also can't give credit to Vale for the J. G. Ballard line, as he disputes writing it up.)

This is significant to complete the circle: Joey DOA's interview in CREEP inspired me and the original 7Seconds to adopt "hardcore" as the banner under which we marched. But Joey wasn't using the word "hardcore" in that sense, and forgot he even used the word in this interview.

In the fall of 1980 I told Damage magazine publisher Brad Lapin about "hardcore." Damage published an article on it. Inspired by that article in Damage, DOA decided to dub their February 1981 punk rock festival "Hardcore '81."

It wasn't until January of 2013 that Joey DOA told me he didn't remember using the word "hardcore" in that old CREEP interview.

I was thrilled with that news.

For more than 3 decades I thought 7Seconds and I were marching under DOA's banner-- "Hardcore."

Turned out they were marching under ours.

Cliff Varnell
04-21-2016, 10:27 PM
More background info here: "The Subversive History of the Original 7Seconds"

http://originalsevenseconds.com




This link is back up!


The Original 7 Seconds -- D.I.Y. rocknroll weaponized.


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Cliff Varnell
05-13-2019, 09:30 AM
If you enjoy the subject of this thread please consider checking out my take on the JFK assassination:

JFK Conspiracy for Younger Generations

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?17105-JFK-Conspiracy-for-Younger-Generations#.XNk5AUhlDIV

Cliff Varnell
06-02-2019, 11:55 AM
The origination of hardcore punk rock was a "deep event" -- a set of historical facts meant to be kept hidden.

The "Only Town That Matters" time-line blows the cover off that deep event, totally.

The assassination of JFK was a deep event.

JFK Conspiracy for Younger Generations blows the cover off that deep event only partially. The root facts of the case take us only so far.

Cliff Varnell
06-02-2019, 12:03 PM
JFK Conspiracy for Younger Generations

[Education Forum 01/31/19] Best-selling author David Lifton wrote of the following "Maddow" script:

"Cliff: Very nice summary. Brief, cogent, etc...[T]hanks for your cogent summary, which makes clear why the official version cannot possibly be true. DSL "

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Rachel Maddow Show November 22, 2019 (an exercise in wishful thinking -- the dialogue is fictional but the information is accurate)

Maddow
Our special guest tonight -- on the 56th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy -- is one of our favorite friends of the show, Alec Baldwin. Welcome, Alec.

Baldwin
Thanks for having me on tonight, Rachel. I’d like to take the opportunity to take a fresh approach to the murder of John F. Kennedy – no theories, just facts. Approach the case like any cop would approach any murder.

Maddow
Loved you as Captain Ellerby in The Departed!

Baldwin
Hold that thought – I may get brutally honest soon enough.

Maddow (laughing)
I can’t wait!

Baldwin
Fact #1: There is a bullet hole in JFK’s shirt 4 inches below the bottom of the collar.

Fact #2: Kennedy’s personal physician filled out the official, verified Death Certificate and listed a wound in his back at the level of the 3rd thoracic vertebra, consistent with the location of the hole in the shirt.

Fact #3: The x-ray of Kennedy’s neck reveals a hairline fracture of the right T1 transverse process, that wing thing on your vertebra.

Fact #4: Two doctors who attended to Kennedy at Parkland Hospital wrote in their contemporaneous notes that JFK had a wound of entrance in his throat.

Fact #5: A Secret Service agent who rode in the car right behind Kennedy’s wrote in his contemporaneous notes that he saw JFK hit in the back four inches down the shoulder.

Fact #6: Two FBI agents who were assigned to make a report on the autopsy cabled FBI HQ and said there was a shallow wound in Kennedy’s back, and no bullet was found in the autopsy.

Those 6 facts encompass the strongest evidence in the case – physical evidence, documentary evidence, and the contemporaneous written accounts of 5 men in position of authority.

We know from this fact pattern that JFK was shot in the back at T3, the round didn’t exit, and no round was found during the autopsy. There was a wound of entrance in the throat, no exit, and no round found during the autopsy.

Draw what conclusions you may, those are the facts.

Maddow
Wound in the back, no exit, no bullet found. Wound in the throat, no exit, no bullet found. What could have happened to those bullets, Alec?

Baldwin
I dunno. I don’t do theories. Maybe folks in your profession could look into it – after all 56 years isn’t too late to do your jobs.

Maddow
And so… the Captain Ellerby treatment after all! Thanks for comin’ on, Alec.

Baldwin
Thanks for having me, Rachel.

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2 Millennials 1 Kennedy Assassination

The "Maddow" script above is fiction, the following is journalism.

I tell this anecdote all the time. It's finally in the proper thread!

This is a true story:

I once pointed out to a millennial friend of mine that her generation didn't appear all that interested in the Kennedy assassination.

"That's because they make it so boring," she said, and the subject dropped.

A couple weeks later she asked me what I'd been up to and I said --"Giving people hell about the central question of the JFK assassination." This was in the late summer of 2013.

"What is the central question of the JFK assassination?"

"You don't want to know--"

"No, tell me."

"JFK was shot in the back, there was no exit wound and no bullet found in the autopsy; he was shot in the throat, no exit, no bullet found in the autopsy. The central question is --what happened to the bullets that caused the back and throat wounds?"

She thought for a second, then said -- "But was it a real autopsy?"

"A lot of problems with the autopsy, but that was the situation...Some people think the bullets were removed prior to the autopsy."

"Or it was some government shit that dissolved!" she said with an air of triumph.

About a year later I told this story to another millennial friend of mine and when I got to the line "--some government shit that dissolved--" she blurted:
"That's what I was gonna say!"

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The Doctors' Scenario: JFK Hit with Government Shit that Dissolved

Two FBI men attended the JFK autopsy to take notes.

From autopsy-attendee FBI SA Francis O'Neill's sworn affidavit for the House Select Committee on Assassinations, 1978:

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Some discussion did occur concerning the disintegration of the bullet. A general
feeling existed that a soft-nosed bullet struck JFK. There was discussion concerning
the back wound that the bullet could have been a "plastic" type or an "Ice" [sic]
bullet, one which dissolves after contact.

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From autopsy-attendee FBI SA James Sibert's sworn affidavit for the HSCA:

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The doctors also discussed a possible deflection of the bullet in the body caused
by striking bone. Consideration was also given to a type of bullet which fragments
completely....Following discussion among the doctors relating to the back injury, I
left the autopsy room to call the FBI Laboratory and spoke with Agent Chuch [sic]
Killion. I asked if he could furnish any information regarding a type of bullet that
would almost completely fragmentize (sic).

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With the body in front of them the autopsists speculated JFK was struck with a high tech round that wouldn't show up on x-ray or in the body: government shit that dissolves.


Greg Burnham compiled this:

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From the Church Committee testimony of CIA Director Colby:

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 1975.
Testimony of William E. Colby, director of the Central Intelligence Agency. The Committee met at 10 A.M. in the Russell Building.

Present: Senators Church, Tower, Mondale, Huddleston, Morgan, Hart of Colorado Baker, Goldwater, Mathias, and Schweiker. Also present: William G. Miller, staff director, Frederick A. 0. Schwarz, chief counsel, Curtis Smothers and Paul Michel, Committee staff members.

Chairman Church:
The particular case under examination today involves the illegal possession of deadly biological poisons which were retained within the CIA for five years after their destruction was ordered by the President. . . . The main questions before the Committee are why the poisons were developed in such quantities in the first place: why the Presidential order was disobeyed; and why such a serious act of insubordination could remain undetected for so many years.

William Colby:
The specific subject today concerns the CIA's involvement in the development of bacteriological warfare materials with the Army's Biological Laboratory at Fort Detrick, CIA's retention of an amount of shellfish toxin, and CIA's use and investigation of various chemicals and drugs. . . . Information provided by him [a CIA officer not directly associated with the project] and by two other officers aware of the project indicated that the project at Fort Detrick involved the development of bacteriological warfare agents--some lethal--and
associated delivery systems suitable for clandestine use
[emphasis added]. The CIA relationship with the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick was formally established in May 1952.

The need for such capabilities was tied to earlier Office of Strategic Services World War II experience, which included the development of two different types of agent suicide pills to be used in the event of capture and a successful operation using biological warfare materials to incapacitate a Nazi leader temporarily.

The primary Agency interest was in the development of dissemination devices to be used with standard chemicals off the shelf. Various dissemination devices such as a fountain pen dart launcher appeared to be peculiarly suited for clandestine use. . . . A large amount of Agency attention was given to the problem of incapacitating guard dogs. Though most of the dart launchers were developed for the Army, the Agency did request the development of a small, hand-held dart launcher for its peculiar needs for this purpose. Work was also done on temporary human incapacitation techniques. These related to a desire to incapacitate captives before they could render themselves incapable of talking, or terrorists before they could take retaliatory action. [Or to prevent guard dogs from barking.]

One such operation involved the penetration of a facility abroad for intelligence collection. The compound was guarded by watchdogs which made entry difficult even when it was empty. Darts were delivered for the operation, but were not used.

Church:
Have you brought with you some of those devices which would have enabled the CIA to use this poison for killing people?

Colby:
We have indeed.

Church:
Does this pistol fire the dart?

Colby:
Yes it does, Mr. Chairman. The round thing at the top is obviously the sight; the rest of it is what is practically a normal .45, although it is a special. However, it works by electricity. There is a battery in the handle, and it fires a small dart. [self-propelled, like a rocket.]

Church:
So that when it fires, it fires silently?

Colby:
Almost silently; yes.

Church:
What range does it have?

Colby:
One hundred meters, I believe; about 100 yards, 100 meters.

Church:
About 100 meters range?

Colby:
Yes.

Church:
And the dart itself, when it strikes the target, does the target know that he has been hit and about to die?

Colby:
That depends, Mr. Chairman, on the particular dart used. There are different kinds of these flechettes that were used in various weapons systems, and a special one was developed which potentially would be able to enter the target without perception.

Church:
Is it not true, too, that the effort not only involved designing a gun that could strike at a human target without knowledge of the person who had been struck, but also the toxin itself would not appear in the autopsy?

Colby:
Well there was an attempt--

Church:
Or the dart?

Colby:
Yes; so there was no way of perceiving that the target was hit.

WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 17, 1975
. Richard Helms' testimony:

Huddleston:
Mr. Helms, you said you were surprised, or that you had never seen the dart gun that was displayed here yesterday. Would you be surprised or shocked to learn that that gun, or one like it, had been used by agents against either watchdogs or human beings?

Helms:
I would be surprised if it had been used against human beings, but I'm not surprised it would have been used against watchdogs. I believe there were various experiments conducted in an effort to find out how one could either tranquilize or kill guard dogs in foreign countries. That does not surprise me at all.

Huddleston:
Do you know whether or not it was used, in fact, against watchdogs?

Helms:
I believe there were experiments conducted against dogs. Whether it was ever used in a live operational situation against dogs, I do not recall.

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 1975
. Testimony of Charles A. Senseney:

Senseney:
I worked in the Biological Warfare Section of Fort Detrick from 1953. . . . I was the project engineer of the M-1 dart launcher and following on microorganism projectiles and so forth.

Smothers:
Is this a device that looks roughly like a .45 caliber pistol with a sight mount at the top?

Senseney:
This was a follow-on. It was to replace the M-1 projectile to go into the Army stockpile. It did look like a .45.

Smothers:
Did the CIA have, Mr. Senseney, the wherewithal to utilize this dart launcher against humans?

Senseney:
No, they asked for a modification to use against a dog. Now, these were actually given to them, and they were actually expended, because we got all of the hardware back. For a dog, the projectile had to be made many times bigger. It was almost the size of a .22 cartridge, but it carried a chemical compound known as 46-40.

Smothers:
And their interest was in dog incapacitation?

Senseney:
Right

Baker:
Your principle job with the DOD, I take it, was to develop new or exotic devices and weapons: is that correct?

Senseney:
I was a project engineer for the E-1, which was type classified and became the M-1. They were done for the Army.

Baker:
Did you have any other customers?

Senseney:
To my knowledge, our only customer was Special Forces and the CIA, I guess.

Baker:
Special Forces meaning Special Forces of the Army?

Senseney:
That is correct.

Baker:
And the FBI?

Senseney:
The FBI never used anything.

Baker:
Looking at your previous executive session testimony, apparently you developed for them a fountain pen. What did the fountain pen do?

Senseney:
The fountain pen was a variation of an M-1. An M-1 in itself was a system, and it could be fired
[I]from anything
[emphasis added]. It could be put into--

Baker:
Could it fire a dart or an aerosol or what?

Senseney:
It was a dart.

Baker:
It fired a dart . . . a starter, were you talking about a fluorescent light starter?

Senseney:
That is correct.

Baker:
What did it do?

Senseney:
It put out an aerosol in the room when you put the switch on.

Baker:
What about a cane, a walking cane?

Senseney:
Yes, an M-1 projectile could be fired from a cane; also an umbrella.

Baker:
Also an umbrella. What about a straight pin?

Senseney:
Straight pin?

Baker:
Yes, sir.

Senseney:
We made a straight pin, out at the Branch. I did not make it, but I know it was made, and it was used by one Mr. Powers on his U-2 mission.

Huddleston:
Were there frequent transfers of material between Dr. Gordon's [a researcher at Fort Detrick] office and your office, either the hardware or the toxin?

Senseney:
The only frequent thing that changed hands was the dog projectile and its loaders 46-40. This was done maybe five or six in one quantity. And maybe six weeks to six months later, they would bring those back and ask for five or six more. They would bring them back expended, that is, they bring all of the hardware except the projectile, okay?

Huddleston:
Indicating that they have been used?

Senseney:
Correct.

Huddleston:
But it could have been used on a human being?

Senseney:
There is no reason why it could not, I guess.

Schweiker:
Mr. Senseney, I would like to read into the record [from a CIA document] at this point a quote from paragraph nine [exhibit 6, document 67]: "When funds permit, adaptation and testing will be conducted of a new, highly effective disseminating system which has been demonstrated to be capable of introducing materials through light clothing, subcutaneously, intramuscularly, and silently, without pain."

Now, I just have a little trouble, Mr. Senseney, reconciling your answers in conjunction with this project, when the CIA document makes clear that one of the very specific purposes of the funding and the operation was to find a weapon that could penetrate light clothing subcutaneously, which obviously means through the skin, and intramuscularly, which obviously means through the muscles of a person. And are you saying that you have absolutely no recollection at all that tests or programs were designed to use any of these devices to permeate clothing on people and not dogs?

Senseney:
We put them on mannequins.

Schweiker:
What's that?

Senseney:
We put clothing on mannequins to see whether we could penetrate it. These were the requirements. You almost read the exact requirements that the SDR quoted from the Special Forces there.

Schweiker:
I would not expect you to test them on live human beings. I would hope that you did use mannequins, Mr. Senseney. Wouldn't that be directed toward people-usage, though? That is the point we're trying to establish.

Senseney:
That is what the Special Forces direction was. You have to look at it this way. The Army program wanted this device. That is the only thing that was delivered to them. It was a spin-off, of course, from the M-1. The M- 1 was a lethal weapon, meant to kill a person, for the Army. It was to be used in Vietnam. It never got there, because we were not fast enough getting it into the logistics system.

Schweiker:
What was the most-utilized device of the ones with which you worked and supervised?

Senseney:
The only thing I know that was really used was the dog projectile. The other things were in the stockpiles. I don't think anyone ever requested them.

Schweiker:
How do you know for certain it was for dogs?

Senseney:
Well that is what they asked us to test them against. They wanted to see whether they could put a dog to sleep, and whether sometime later the dog would come back and be on its own and look normal.

Schweiker:
Of the devices that came through you, which of these were utilized in any capacity other than for testing?

Senseney:
That was the only one that I know of--the dog projectile. I call it a dog projectile. We were developing it because the scenario read that they wanted to be able to make entrance into an area which was patrolled by dogs, leave, the dog come back, and then no one would ever know they were in the area. So that was the reason for the dog projectile.

Church:
Thank you Senator Schweiker. I think it is clear that the CIA was interested in the development of a delivery system that could reach human beings, since not many dogs wear clothing. And you would agree with that, wouldn't you?

Senseney:
Yes.

Church:
Okay.

Schwarz:
Along the same line, I assume you must agree that spending money in order to make darts of such a character that they cannot be detected in an autopsy does not have much to do with dogs?

Senseney:
No, that would not have anything to do with dogs.
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Whodunnit -- maybe...

The Tale Told by Two Tapes by Vincent Salandria

https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/FalseMystery/TaleToldByTwoTapes.html
(https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/FalseMystery/TaleToldByTwoTapes.html)
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[National Security Adviser] McGeorge Bundy was in charge of the [White House] Situation Room and was spending that fateful afternoon receiving phone calls from President Johnson, who was calling from Air Force One when the lone-assassin myth was prematurely given birth. (Bishop, Jim, The Day Kennedy Was Shot, New York & Funk Wagnalls, 1968, p. 154) McGeorge Bundy as the quintessential WASP establishmentarian did not take his orders from the Mafia and/or renegade elements.

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The President Has Been Shot, Charles Roberts (p. 141) A reporter for Newsweek, Roberts was on Air Force One and saw McGeorge Bundy at Andrews Air Force Base, where AF1 landed.

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I remember looking at (McGeorge) Bundy because I was wondering if he had any word of what had happened in the world while we were in transit, whether this assassination was part of a plot. And he told me later that what he reported to the president during that flight back was that the whole world was stunned, but there was no evidence of a conspiracy at all.

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Who would have given orders to McGeorge Bundy to repeat the lie that there was no evidence of conspiracy found in Dallas?

Bundy couldn't have made that determination sitting in the Situation Room.

Turns out there was another "quintessential WASP establishmentarian" who turned up telling a great big lie: the #3 man at the State Department, W. Averell Harriman.

The Assassination Tapes, Max Holland, pg 57:

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At 6:55 p.m. Johnson has a ten minute meeting with Senator J. William Fulbright and diplomat W. Averell Harriman to discuss possible foreign involvement in the assassination, especially in light of the two-and-a-half-year sojourn of Lee Harvey ...Harriman, a U.S. ambassador to Moscow during WWII, is an experienced interpreter of Soviet machinations and offers the president the unanimous view of the U.S. government's top Kremlinologists. None of them believe the Soviets have a hand in the assassination, despite the Oswald association.

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Jack Valenti – in “A Very Human President” (1973, p3)

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Shortly before 7:00 P.M., I escorted Senator J. William Fulbright, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Ambassador Averell Harriman into the office. I fidgeted outside, in the middle of what would have appeared to be an objective onlooker to be a mélange of confusion. No one of the Johnson aides, Marie Fehmer, his secretary; the late Cliff Carter, his chief political agent; Bill Moyers, nor any of the rest, was quite certain of what lay ahead. We were all busy on the phone and trying to assemble what measure of office discipline we could construct.

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[I]Spanning the Century: The Life of W. Averell Harriman, by Rudy Abramson, pg 625:

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He spent the afternoon helping [George] Ball [#2 man at the State Dept.], who was, if anyone truly was, running the United States government, since [Dean] Rusk [Secretary of State] and several other Cabinet members were airborne, coming home after turning back from a flight to the Far East. As darkness fell, Averell drove out to Andrews Air Force Base with Ball and Alexis Johnson, joining the official mourning party standing silently on the floodlit ramp as the President's casket was lowered from the rear door of Air Force One.
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The Wise Men, Walter Isaacson & Evan Thomas, pg. 640:

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[The Diem] coup [in South Vietnam] was messy. Diem's body was found riddled with bullets and stab wounds.
John Kennedy himself was shot to death three weeks later. Bill Sullivan [Harriman's chief of staff] found Averell Harriman that afternoon sitting on the edge of his chair, in front of a television set, holding his head in his hands.

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That Lee Harvey Oswald had been in the Soviet Union was announced on the news at 4:25pm EST. Sundown in Washington DC occurred at 4:50pm EST.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc?month=11&year=1963
(https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc?month=11&year=1963)
How could Harriman gather "the US government's top Kremlinologists" in such a short period of time? And all of them reached the same snap decision on the basis of next to no information?

In 1963 the top three Kremlinologists were George Kennan, Charles Bohlen, and Harriman himself. According to his biography Charles Bohlen was traveling in Europe that day; according to his biography, George Kennan spent the day quietly in Princeton with Robert Oppenheimer.

Harriman went out to Andrews around sundown with George Ball and Alexis Johnson -- neither of whom were Kremlinologists.

The idea anyone could draw the snap conclusion of Soviet innocence is absurd -- unless that person knew who pulled off the plot.

Vincent Salandria: "Notes on Lunch with Arlen Specter on January 4, 2012"

http://archive.politicalassassinations.net/2012/11/1560/
(http://archive.politicalassassinations.net/2012/11/1560/)
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I explained [to Specter] that the day after the Kennedy assassination I met with my then brother-in-law, Harold Feldman. We decided that if Oswald was the killer, and if the U.S. government were innocent of any complicity in the assassination, Oswald would live through the weekend. But if he was killed, then we would know that the assassination was a consequence of a high level U.S. government plot.
Harold Feldman and I also concluded that if Oswald was killed by a Jew, it would indicate a high level WASP plot. We further decided that the killing of Oswald would signal that no government investigation could upturn the truth. In that event we as private citizens would have to investigate the assassination to arrive at the historical truth.

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Jack Ruby, Oswald's killer, was Jewish.

In 1963 Averell Harriman (Skull & Bones 1913) and McGeorge Bundy (Skull & Bones 1940) were the top two WASPs in the US government.

These suspicions, alas, are as far as the evidence can take us.