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Myra Bronstein
04-19-2009, 01:48 AM
Has anyone read "Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal"/The Torbitt Document, by William Torbitt? If so, what do you think of it?
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/torbitt.htm

Magda Hassan
04-19-2009, 02:00 AM
Peter L posted this a few months back. It is probably in the JFK section. As Peter says it misses the mark on some things but is spot on on others. Definitely worth a read for its own sake and to compare the progress of research over the years.

Peter Lemkin
04-19-2009, 08:03 AM
Peter L posted this a few months back. It is probably in the JFK section. As Peter says it misses the mark on some things but is spot on on others. Definitely worth a read for its own sake and to compare the progress of research over the years.

Its well worth the short read. Just be ready to dismiss things that we now know can be dismissed out of hand. A couple of early and corrent paths pointed-out however. For its time, quite an ambitious attempt. Unknown is where he got most of his information, and some was likely disinformation from the usual disinformation entities. A few bullseyes and some gutter-balls. Interesting none the less.

Ron Williams
04-19-2009, 02:08 PM
TheTorbitt Document (aka Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal) is a subject worthy of study and discussion by students of the deep political structures. A book needs to be written, but it would be a shame to start at square one.

There is a topic on the JFK Research Forum that contains some of the basic leads. That is the best place to start that I know of.

I would be happy to post more if there is any interest.

Ron Williams

Magda Hassan
04-19-2009, 02:18 PM
I would be happy to post more if there is any interest.
Yes please Ron.

Myra Bronstein
04-19-2009, 04:50 PM
TheTorbitt Document (aka Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal) is a subject worthy of study and discussion by students of the deep political structures. A book needs to be written, but it would be a shame to start at square one.

There is a topic on the JFK Research Forum that contains some of the basic leads. That is the best place to start that I know of.

I would be happy to post more if there is any interest.

Ron Williams

YES, please Ron. PLEASE--yes.

Ron Williams
04-19-2009, 05:15 PM
In my opinion the Torbitt Document is a sophisticated exercise in disinformation and misdirection* that grew out of the Garrison investigation or as part of the “get Garrison” operation.

1970: The Torbitt Document surfaces in the JFK research community as an unpublished manuscript.

The “author” reportedly was a Texas Lawyer, David Copeland, who claimed that he got the information from two government agents.

Mae Brussell had it early on and circulated copies.

1996: “Torbitt” was packaged and published by Kenn Thomas as NASA, NAZIS & JFK: The Torbitt Document & the Kennedy Assassination (Adventures Unlimited Press, Kempton, Illinois).

Early 2001: There was a valuable “Torbitt” discussion on the JFK Research Forum by some very knowledgeable researchers.

Feb 5, 2008: Latest version of “The Torbitt Document, What is it, and Where Did it Come From?” posted on the JFK Research Forum by Ron Williams.


Torbitt sources that need “mining:”

“‘JFK’ AND CLAY SHAW: Credible evidence connects the CIA’s Shaw to Oswald," by Ralph Schoenman, Santa Barbara News-Press, Sunday, January 12, 1992.

The Bertrand Russell papers at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario.

Anything written on Mortimer Louis Bloomfield by Robert Charles-Dunne. For example, posts on the Education Forum.

Anything written on “Torbitt” in Lobster mag.

Old posts from “alt” Newsgroups on "Torbitt" by JFK researcher Jim Hargrove.

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* - the following is my conclusion to the most recent Torbitt topic on the JFK Research Forum:

…So what is Torbitt? A well intended but seriously flawed document? Smart-ass CIA stuff? A Rosetta Stone to the JFK Case? My best guess is that it is a classic piece of disinformation, disinformation in the sense as that discussed in the works of Lloyd Miller and Lyndon LaRouche. And I strongly believe an important key to understanding this type of “secret document” and others like it is contained in Lloyd Miller’s Project journal and in his A-Albionic Book Catalog.

From the A-Albionic Book Catalog:

The Purloined Letter by Edgar Allen Poe…

This classic mystery story shows clearly a little known principle of deception: A secret is best hidden by placing it in plain sight, but by adding calculated misdirection that prevents its proper appreciation by the onlooker! …While preoccupied by the search for and analysis of secret documents, always supplied abundantly by the conspiracy itself, the conspiracy researcher overlooks the obvious…

Also from a section of the catalog entitled "The Lure and Hook of Secret Documents:"

The Lure (and Hook?) of Secret Documents: For too many of its advocates and detractors, the truth or falsity of ruling class/conspiracy theories rests on the literal truth or falsity of a number of secret documents that have been reprinted and distributed by various interested parties. Partisans claim to see spreading such documents as a benevolent service to humanity (or their anointed collective) that will finally overthrow the evil power of the "conspiracy" as they conceive it. Detractors see such projects as thinly veiled revolutionary propaganda designed by a would be elite to undermine faith in existing institutions and/or pave the way to totalitarian seizure of power. Objectively speaking, however, it is impossible to over-estimate the power this genrè achieves via "exposing" the purported motives of an "enemy" and thereby intensifying the cohesion of the "victim" social organism whether for good or evil.

From “The Secrets Known Only to the Inner Elites” by Lyndon LaRouche (The Campaigner, May-June 1978):

The cleverest way, psychologically, in which to hide a secret is to divert the investigator down a tiring trail toward a false discovery. His own efforts convince him either that he has found a secret through great energy and cleverness on his own part, or, if the secret he seeks appears still to barely elude his grasp, he values all the more his continued course of misdirection. That is the lesson which can be learned from Edgar Allan Poe’s fictional case of The Purloined Letter.

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Ron Williams

Peter Lemkin
04-19-2009, 06:38 PM
I'll re-read it and take into consideration your thesis. My first thought is it [your thesis] is not in any way out of the realm of possibility, but if it is disinfo, it is very well done disinfo [which our opponents are very capable of and have done before and since], as there are some kernels of truth and true leads toward real actors and actions NOT in the official version. Wheels within wheels within wheels within wheels........ It has never been something I took very seriously, but seemed like a curiosity of the early research. The fact it was so poorly written and the 'author' used a false name was always a turn-off.

Myra Bronstein
04-19-2009, 10:37 PM
In my opinion the Torbitt Document is a sophisticated exercise in disinformation and misdirection* that grew out of the Garrison investigation or as part of the “get Garrison” operation.
...

Thanks very much Ron.

One name that comes up in the Torbitt Document is Defense Intelligence Agency head Lt. General Joseph F. Carroll. The document never makes specific accusations; it just mentions him repeatedly and emphasizes how connected he was.

Any opinion on whether or not this name is a red herring or a legit lead?

Myra Bronstein
04-19-2009, 10:46 PM
I guess it's the central premise of the Torbitt Document. And since Jim Garrison focused so heavily on Permindex it's of interest. But is it muddying the Permindex waters or clearing them up?

"I. Permindex and Its Five Subsidiaries

When Jim Garrison, the New Orleans District Attorney, began to investigate the assassination of President Kennedy, he took the position that regardless of who was behind the assassination, the American people could take the truth, should have the facts, and that the right of the American people to know superseded an damage that might be done to the image of the United States by the revelation of respected government leaders' involvement in the crime.

Chief Justice Warren and other members of the Commission charged to investigate the assassination took another position: that is, to reveal the assassination scheme would do great harm and damage to the image of the United States in the eyes of the world, and therefore, it would be to the best interests of the Nation that their findings be as were reported by them.

Enough evidence has now been uncovered by the Warren Commission, other investigative agencies here and in Europe, and Jim Garrison to reveal an almost total working knowledge of how the assassination was carried out and by whom.
The killing of President Kennedy was planned and supervised by Division Five of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, a relatively small department within the FBI whose usual duties are espionage and counter-espionage activities.

Actually, Division Five acted dually with the Defense Intelligence Agency which was acting on behalf of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the Pentagon. Directly under the two-pronged leadership of Division Five and the DIA was the Control Group, their highly secret policy agency - the Defense Industrial Security Command.
The Defense Industrial Security Command has always been kept secret because it acts, in addition to its two official control organizations, on behalf of NASA, the Atomic Energy Commission, the U.S. Information Agency, and the arms, equipment, ammunition, munitions and related miscellaneous supply manufacturing corporations contracting with NASA, the AEC, USIA, and the Pentagon. One can readily observe that DISC is not compatible with an open Democracy and the U.S. Constitution. Consequently, the top secret arms manufacturers' police agency has been kept from the knowledge of even most U.S. officials and Congressmen.

The Defense Industrial Security Command had its beginnings when J. Edgar Hoover in the early 1930's organized the police force of the fledgling Tennessee Valley Authority at the request of David Lillienthal. The police force covered the entire TVA from Knoxville, Tennessee through Huntsville and Florence, Alabama into Kentucky and back through the eastern portion of Tennessee into southern Kentucky. This was one of the first federal agencies with a separate police force. This force grew and Lillienthal took it forward to cover the Atomic Energy Commission, thus tying it into the Army Intelligence Service.

L.M. Bloomfield, a Montreal, CANADA lawyer bearing the reputation as a sex deviate, the direct supervisor of all contractual agents with J. Edgar Hoover's Division Five, was the top co-ordinator for the network planning the execution. A Swiss corporation, Permindex, was used to head five front organizations responsible for furnishing personnel and supervisors to carry out assigned duties.
The five groups under Permindex and their supervisors were:

1. The Czarist Russian, Eastern European and Middle East exile organization called SOLIDARISTS, headed by Ferenc Nagy, ex-Hungarian Premier, and John DeMenil, Russian exile from Houston, Texas, a close friend and supporter of Lyndon Johnson for over thirty years.

2. A section of the AMERICAN COUNCIL OF CHRISTIAN CHURCHES headed by H.L. Hunt of Dallas, Texas.

3. A Cuban exile group called FREE CUBA COMMITTEE headed by Carlos Prio Socarras, ex-Cuban President.

4. An organization of United States, Caribbean, and Havana, Cuba gamblers called the Syndicate headed by Clifford Jones, ex-Lieutenant Governor of Nevada and Democratic National Committeeman, and Bobby Baker of Washington, D.C. This group worked closely with a Mafia family headed by Joe Bonnano.

5. The SECURITY DIVISION of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) headed by Wernher Von Braun, head of the German Nazi rocket program from 1932 through 1945. Headquarters for this group was the DEFENSE INDUSTRIAL SECURITY COMMAND at Muscle Shoals Redstone Arsenal in Alabama and on East Broad Street in Columbus, Ohio.
The Defense Industrial Security Command is the police and espionage agency for the U.S. munitions makers. DISC was organized by J. Edgar Hoover; William Sullivan, his chief assistant, is in direct command. We shall later examine the involvement of a large number of the DISC agents including Clay Shaw, Guy Bannister, David Ferrie, Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby and others with Permindex's Louis Mortimer Bloomfield of Montreal, Canada in charge."

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/torbitt.htm

Jack White
04-19-2009, 11:07 PM
The point that most researchers pay little heed to is the function
of PERMINDEX.

The name stands for Permanent Industrial Expositions...better
known as WORLD TRADE CENTERS.

Does that name sound familiar? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

In Dallas JFK was to speak at the Trade Mart, a forerunner of
the Dallas WORLD TRADE CENTER. Now who arranged for the
venue? Permindex?

Clay Shaw ran the New Orleans WORLD TRADE CENTER. Clay
Shaw was involved in the JFK affair. Clay Shaw was a director
of Permindex.

New York City had a whole complex of buildings named the
WORLD TRADE CENTER. All of these buildings were destroyed
in a single day in history's greatest COINCIDENCE. Some
entity is behind the prevalent COINCIDENCE THEORY OF
HISTORY. Permindex?

World Trade Centers feature permanent industrial expositions
of international companies. Globalist exhibitions of global
products and services. Get it? PERMINDEX.

Check into it. WORLD TRADE CENTERS are central to many
events of the last 50 years.

Jack

Ron Williams
04-20-2009, 12:59 AM
...

One name that comes up in the Torbitt Document is Defense Intelligence Agency head Lt. General Joseph F. Carroll. The document never makes specific accusations; it just mentions him repeatedly and emphasizes how connected he was.

Any opinion on whether or not this name is a red herring or a legit lead?



The name doesn’t ring any bells with me. Is this the same guy as the general Carroll in the book list?

Anyone read those two books?

Ron Williams

Magda Hassan
04-20-2009, 01:25 AM
Also referred to by James and Peter in this context http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6180&postcount=27

Ron Williams
04-20-2009, 02:05 AM
I guess it's the central premise of the Torbitt Document. And since Jim Garrison focused so heavily on Permindex it's of interest. But is it muddying the Permindex waters or clearing them up?

"I. Permindex and Its Five Subsidiaries

When Jim Garrison, the New Orleans District Attorney, began to investigate the assassination of President Kennedy, he took the position that regardless of who was behind the assassination, the American people could take the truth, should have the facts, and that the right of the American people to know superseded an damage that might be done to the image of the United States by the revelation of respected government leaders' involvement in the crime.

[...]



I would agree that this is at least an important part of the central premise, but I don’t believe that Torbitt clears up anything.

One problem we have is that info on Louis Mortimer Bloomfield is hard to come by.

Close associate of J. Edgar Hoover? OSS? Sex deviate? “…the direct supervisor of all contractual agents in the FBI’s Division 5?”

Says who?

Where are the sources?

What was Bloomfield really doing during World War II? Was he working for Sir William “Intrepid” Stephenson out of the British Security Coordination office in Rockefeller Center in New York? I was hoping that some of the UK or Canadian researchers would have cleared this up by now.

One UK author, Matthew Smith in Say Goodbye to America: The Sensational and Untold Story behind the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, writes:

“…The founder and chairman of Permindex was Canadian-born Major Louis Bloomfield, who had a strong background in intelligence. First with British intelligence, he moved, during the Second World War, to the OSS and became friends with J. Edgar Hoover. His intelligence work continued while he was with Permindex.” (p. 173)

There are no sources listed for this. Does anyone know Matthew Smith? If so, could they ask him about it?

Ron Williams

Myra Bronstein
04-20-2009, 02:48 AM
Also referred to by James and Peter in this context http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6180&postcount=27

Exactly. And a person who asked not to be identified emailed the following to me:

In 1964 Wise and Ross released their classic book The Invisible Government. It's hard to imagine today just how shocking their revelations were at the time.

See Chapter 5 for a description of the Double-Chek Corporation and you can tie it in to what Torbitt wrote.

See Chapter 15 for a description of the formation of the DIA and the instant, intense rivalry with the CIA.
To me, there is little question that the two agencies were heavily cross-infiltrated. An excerpt (highlights mine):

....Dulles was particularly worried about the possibility that the DIA would gain a monopoly over aerial reconnaissance. The Defense Department controlled the reconnaissance equipment and Dulles feared that the DIA would be tempted to hoard the photographs produced by the equipment. He was determined to prevent any such thing.

During the U-2 era, the CIA had built up a skilled corps of civilian photo-interpreters and they would surely quit if the Pentagon monopolized aerial photographs. Without interpreters, the CIA would have no way to verify Defense Department estimates. At a time when electronic espionage was bulking ever larger, Pentagon control of aerial reconnaissance could result in Pentagon dominance of the entire intelligence community.

Dulles expressed his misgivings to McNamara, who responded with assurances that the DIA would be only a coordinating body and that it would not supplant the intelligence branches of the Army, Navy and Air Force. Some of Dulles' advisers suspected that the Pentagon had covert ambitions for the DIA which were being suppressed temporarily for tactical reasons. But Dulles felt McNamara's pledge left no ground for him to oppose the DIA. He went along with the proposal. So did John McCone, then head of the AEC.

The DIA was created officially on October 1, 1961. Named as director was Lieutenant General Joseph F. Carroll, who had been the inspector general of the Air Force. Carroll started his career with the FBI and was a leading assistant of J. Edgar Hoover at the time he moved to the Air Force in 1947 to set up its first investigation and counter-intelligence section.

CIA men delighted in pointing out that all of Carroll's experience had been as an investigator and that he had no credentials as a foreign or military intelligence analyst. More to the CIA's liking were Carroll's two subordinates, both of whom had served with the CIA: Major General William W. (Buffalo Bill) Quinn, a former West Point football star, who was named deputy director; and Rear Admiral Samuel B. Frankel, a Chinese and Russian-speaking expert on the Communist world, who became the DIA's chief of staff. (Myra, you can bet that career Navy man Frankel surely knew all about Oswald)

Both of these men had worked closely with Allen Dulles. Frankel served under him on USIB. Quinn, the G-2 for the Seventh Army in Europe during World War II, acted as personal courier for the information Dulles gathered in Switzerland on Nazi troop movements. (Quinn left the DIA to become the commander of the Seventh Army in November, 1963.....)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_secretgov_5.htm#Table%20of%20Contents

Ron Williams
04-20-2009, 02:59 AM
Jim DiEugenio had written a multi-part review of The Torbitt Document in 2001 for the JFK Research Forum, but I found out that he doesn’t still have the review. I meant to save it at the time, but for some reason I only have Parts 1 & 3 (and I don’t know how many parts there were).

I sent Jim the parts I had (below), and here is his response:

“I stand by all of that.

“Torbitt is an obvious disinformation packet. And its timing-after Garrison--is very suspect.

“In fact, one could say that it led the way to All Those Other Suspects, especially the Mafia.”

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[the remaining two parts of the review]

Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal aka Torbitt Document
by James DiEugenio ® , 2001…

Part 1

I will now post highlights of my analysis of the essay that was known by
two names, Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal and the Torbitt
Document.
Some background first. In the notes accompanying my copy which was
issued by the short-lived Mae Brussell Research Center, two federal
agents gave this information to a conservative Texas lawyer named
David Copeland, who disguised his name as William Torbitt for
publication purposes. The date was around 1970, right at the end
of the Garrison investigation, a significant point as we will see. The
official name is the long one given above, but the most popular one is
the shorter rubric. The idea that this is in any way a document is sheer
nonsense. It is a freeform essay that, as we will see, is not supported
by its footnotes.
The word nomenclature means to name or the process of naming names.
That is what this essay does in spades: names abound all over the place.
It is interesting to look at this essay now, in light of the many advances in
information, especially by the ARRB. But in my opinion, it could not have
withstood rigorous anlysis at the time it was released, if someone would
have done it. The essay has been sold and passed around for years,
decades, and in fact it was sold by Prevailing Winds, and it was popular
with people like Jeff Steinberg of the La Rouchies, who I know and respect.
In one way I can see how some intelligent people could have been taken in
by this clever mosaic but in another way, I can't see why no one would take
the time to take it apart. In my view, disinformation, no matter how
sophisticated, has to be attacked because it leads many people down blind
alleys.
A good example would be the Blakey-Billings Mafia myth created after the
HSCA. We now know that these two men decieved the public with that
whopper and many of the things they said are inaccurate, like Marcello
saying in executive session that he paid David Ferrie directly to get his
gas station, or Marcello admitting culpability in the JFK case on the
BRILAB tapes. People actually gave credence to this thing and people
like John Davis who furthered this myth were invited to seminars and
sucked up valuable time (though not with me) furthering this non sequitir.
They even got away with smearing Garrison as some kind of pawn of
Marcello until I analyzed that myth and showed it to be another deception
at the first COPA conference. So now with the so-called Torbitt Document.
The two federal agents who gave this information to Copeland worked for
the Customs department and the BND. He took the info and enlarged upon
it and added the footnotes. We do not know where their work ended and his
began or if any sources were given to him. Copeland was a supporter of the
conservative wing of the Texas Democratic party, i.e. people like Connally and
Bentsen. In the afterward he writes that "the Fascist cabal who assassinated
John Kennedy planned to lay the blame on honest right-wing conservatives,
if their first ploy, to lay the blame on Oswald and the communists was not
bought."
Later in the same place, the following appears, "As is the office of a lawyer,
he [Torbitt] makes legal deductions from the evidence gathered but consistently
refuses to speculate on the evidence even when some speculation is warranted....
he resorts only to those legal deductions which courts allow a lawyer to make
from the court approved and documented evidence." This statement is not
supportable by the author's own work, and I will show this throughout. But it does
give the essay an air of authority that, combined with certain other namedropping
elements and partly good information has managed to impress some.

The essay is surprising in that Torbitt was one of the first authors to
actually name the assassins. By about two thirds of the way through,
there are four snipers named: Emilio Santana, William Seymour,
Manuel Gonzalez, and Jim Braden.
How specific is the description? Consider this: "Manuel Gonzalez,
firing from the fence to Kennedy's right side struck the President in
the right temple killing him instantly." This is sourced to the records
of jim Garrison as is most of the sensational stuff. I am in posession
of Garrison's extant records and have read them all. I never saw this.
It is true that much of Garrison's stuff is lost, but I talked to a lot of people
who worked with him and no one ever mentioned this.
Torbitt describes Braden as an agent of the Defense Industrial Security
Command (DISC). Perhaps this is so, but he advances no evidence for
this and I have never seen it elsewhere.
Torbitt insists that it was Seymour at Sylvia Odio's impersonating Oswald,
and mentions it as an established fact, when as early as 1964 it was in
dispute ( for a good analysis see Sylvia Meagher). Seymour is also noted
as impersonating Oswald in Mexico. Again this is sourced to Garrison and
again I have not seen it.
Santana is named as the sniper in the Dal-Tex building, and again this is
attributed to Garrison and again I have not seen it. Santana is quite an
interesting character and in fact may have been involved in Dallas but much
of what Torbitt says about him is not supportable. (For the stuff that is
supportable, see my article in Probe on Rose Cheramie.)
But Torbitt is not done. He adds that, in addition to the above four, there
were seven Mexican professionals in firing position in Dallas. They were
agents of Albert Osborne. Again, Osborne is another interesting character
(to say the least) but the idea that he ran an assassination ring is not
demonstrated. So this set of claims, or 'legal deductions" is a bit overblown.
But not only does the author assume to know who the snipers were; he also
assumes to know how they got away. Of course, Braden was arrested,
actually I think only detained, before he was released.
Seymour jumped into the Nash Rambler and was dropped off at the Abundant
Life Temple. He then killed Tippitt.
Santana and some other snipers stayed at Tammie True's before the
assassination. In my file on Santana, this information is not borne out.
In further contradiction of Torbitt, Santana, according to my files, did not say
that he knew Seymour.
Gonzalez went to Fort Worth and stayed at Tammie True's and then was flown
to Houston. Again, Garrison did a lot of work on Gonzalez, and again I did not
see this. So again, another set of sensational claims is overhyped.

Part 3

Let us now go one step upward in Torbitt's explanation of the conspiracy.
Although Copeland's essay contains a melange of agencies--almost a
parody of a grand conspiracy--the Mafia plays a key operational role in it.
Two of the major mobsters involved are Carlos Marcello and Joe Bonanno.
Like Robert Blakey, Copeland/Torbitt has David Ferrie working for Marcello
both before and after the assassination; instead of working for lawyer
Wray Gill who contracted him out for the Marcello case.
But further, Torbitt has Marcello giving Ferrie instructions on his role in the
plot at 1:00 pm on 11/22/63 in court in New Orleans. Since Ferrie was dead
when Torbitt was writing and Marcello never talked, how did Copeland get
this information? He sources it to Paris Flammonde's book but it is another
false footnote. Torbitt states that the Alamotel Hotel in Houston where
Ferrie was headed was owned by Marcello, yet the HSCA report on Ferrie
does not support this claim. (Further, Torbitt calls Marcello's New Orleans
hotel the Town House Hotel when in reality it was the Town and Country.)
Ruby is supposedly working for Marcello also and again this claim is
asserted but not at all demonstrated. Torbitt has Marcello on the ruling
national board of the Mafia but this claim has been disputed elsewhere.
But Torbitt then does something even more breathtaking. All the actions
taken by Bonanno and Marcello were taken not through their relationship
with the Mob, or the Mob's relationship with the CIA, but through their
connections to DISC! And then he tops that one. Right after this, he asserts
that both of these American Mafia Dons were members of PERMINDEX and
Centro Mondiale Commerciale! This goes unsourced and like the connection
to DISC I have never seen it mentioned anywere else. (As we shall see, it is
significant that historically speaking, Torbitt/Copeland is probably the first to
assert this Mafia importance in the assassination and to assert the primacy
of Ferrie's pseudo-relationship with Marcello.)
Even on comparatively easy and lesser details, Torbitt is dubious. He claims
that Gordon Novel's wife told Garrison that her husband impersonated Oswald
in the days preceding the assassination. I saw that interview and this information
is not in there. Torbitt says that Ferenc Nagy of PERMINDEX is the umbrella man
in Dealey Plaza. Anyone who looks at the photo of Nagy in my book will see that
this claim is ridiculous.
Torbitt states that after his program on Garrison in 1967, Walter Sheridan was
not seen on NBC News "which proves Walter Sheridan was on special
assignment from his DIA position." Yet a quick check of NBC records will show
that Sheridan did at least four other programs for NBC after the Garrison one.
And the DIA is the one intelligence agency Sheridan was not connected to.
Torbitt has over 14 witnesses testifying to the Clinton-Jackson incident at the
Shaw trial. That figure is exaggerated by about a third. According to Torbitt,
the name of William Seymour surfaced through Dean Andrews. He even has
Andrews naming Seymour as an assassin. I have seen every extant record
on Andrews from the Warren Commission and the Garrison probe and these
claims are nowhere to be found. Torbitt has Gordon Novel seen with Ruby
in the Carousel Club. Again, I have a thick file on Novel and this evidence is
non-existent.

Jan Klimkowski
04-20-2009, 09:03 PM
When Garrison was investigating Permindex, no information about Operation Gladio had been disclosed.

For an introduction to Gladio, see here:
http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1141&highlight=gladio

Gladio has strong links to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM). For background to SMOM, see my posts #49-50 of Covert Action material here:
http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1304&page=5

Roy Marcus Cohn was a board member of Permindex. His law partner, Tom Bolan, was a Knight of Malta.

Clay Shaw was both a board member of Permindex and a Knight of Malta.

The creators of Gladio, including Nazi and West German spy Reinhard Gehlen, and the Dulles brothers, were Knights of Malta. As was dear old Prescott Bush. And Bill Donovan. And William Casey. And George HW Bush. And John McCone. And Charles Willoughby, (born Karl Widenbach). And William Colby.

Every single Permindex board member fits the profile of a potential Gladio controller:

* Louis Bloomfield, Lawyer, President
* Ferenc Nagy, former anti-Communist Prime Minister Hungarian
* Georgio Mantello aka George Mantello aka George Mandel, alleged "rescuer" of Jewish refugees and official founder of PERMINDEX
* Roy Marcus Cohn, US lawyer for Senator Joseph McCarthy, Lionel Corporation
* Joseph Bonanno, Mafia figure, Lionel Corporation
* Jean Menu de Ménil, owner of Schlumberger Limited
* Paul Raigorodsky
* Count Guitierez di Spadafora, Undersecretary of Agriculture for Benito Mussolini
* Hans Seligman, Basel, Switzerland banker
* Carlo d'Amelio, Italian Lawyer, Head Consul for Centro Mondiale Commerciale (CMC)
* Max Hageman, newspaper editor National Zeitung Munich
* Munir Chourbagi, uncle to King Farouk of Egypt
* Giuseppe Zigotti, Italian Fascist
* Ferenc H. Simonfay, Major-General in Hungary and Nazi collaborator
* Clay Shaw, New Orleans International Trade Mart

Fwiw.

Jack White
04-20-2009, 09:19 PM
The point that most researchers pay little heed to is the function
of PERMINDEX.

The name stands for Permanent Industrial Expositions...better
known as WORLD TRADE CENTERS.

Does that name sound familiar? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

In Dallas JFK was to speak at the Trade Mart, a forerunner of
the Dallas WORLD TRADE CENTER. Now who arranged for the
venue? Permindex?

Clay Shaw ran the New Orleans WORLD TRADE CENTER. Clay
Shaw was involved in the JFK affair. Clay Shaw was a director
of Permindex.

New York City had a whole complex of buildings named the
WORLD TRADE CENTER. All of these buildings were destroyed
in a single day in history's greatest COINCIDENCE. Some
entity is behind the prevalent COINCIDENCE THEORY OF
HISTORY. Permindex?

World Trade Centers feature permanent industrial expositions
of international companies. Globalist exhibitions of global
products and services. Get it? PERMINDEX.

Check into it. WORLD TRADE CENTERS are central to many
events of the last 50 years.

Jack

I find it odd that NOBODY commented on my observation,
which I think may be the international tie that binds many
of these events together.

Jack

Charles Drago
04-20-2009, 10:21 PM
Fear not, Brother White.

Your words are read and valued.

WTCs, like wandering bishops and so many other omnipresent and likely sinister phenomena, litter the landscapes we explore and are duly noted.

While I've got you, Jack: Have you read my recent essay on the Ferrell and Jay Harrison archives? Can you tell us anything about the Ferrell-Curme affair that hasn't already been referenced?

Hope you and yours are well.

Charlie

Myra Bronstein
04-21-2009, 12:38 AM
Jim DiEugenio had written a multi-part review of The Torbitt Document in 2001 for the JFK Research Forum, but I found out that he doesn’t still have the review. I meant to save it at the time, but for some reason I only have Parts 1 & 3 (and I don’t know how many parts there were).

I sent Jim the parts I had (below), and here is his response:

“I stand by all of that.

“Torbitt is an obvious disinformation packet. And its timing-after Garrison--is very suspect.

“In fact, one could say that it led the way to All Those Other Suspects, especially the Mafia.”

...

Great work Ron, thank you!

Myra Bronstein
04-21-2009, 12:42 AM
The point that most researchers pay little heed to is the function
of PERMINDEX.

The name stands for Permanent Industrial Expositions...better
known as WORLD TRADE CENTERS.

Does that name sound familiar? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

In Dallas JFK was to speak at the Trade Mart, a forerunner of
the Dallas WORLD TRADE CENTER. Now who arranged for the
venue? Permindex?

Clay Shaw ran the New Orleans WORLD TRADE CENTER. Clay
Shaw was involved in the JFK affair. Clay Shaw was a director
of Permindex.

New York City had a whole complex of buildings named the
WORLD TRADE CENTER. All of these buildings were destroyed
in a single day in history's greatest COINCIDENCE. Some
entity is behind the prevalent COINCIDENCE THEORY OF
HISTORY. Permindex?

World Trade Centers feature permanent industrial expositions
of international companies. Globalist exhibitions of global
products and services. Get it? PERMINDEX.

Check into it. WORLD TRADE CENTERS are central to many
events of the last 50 years.

Jack

I find it odd that NOBODY commented on my observation,
which I think may be the international tie that binds many
of these events together.

Jack

It's a most interesting link Jack.

Can you please elaborate on your observation that Permindex arranged the Dallas Trade Mart venue for President Kennedy's speech?

Jack White
04-21-2009, 01:06 AM
The point that most researchers pay little heed to is the function
of PERMINDEX.

The name stands for Permanent Industrial Expositions...better
known as WORLD TRADE CENTERS.

Does that name sound familiar? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

In Dallas JFK was to speak at the Trade Mart, a forerunner of
the Dallas WORLD TRADE CENTER. Now who arranged for the
venue? Permindex?

Clay Shaw ran the New Orleans WORLD TRADE CENTER. Clay
Shaw was involved in the JFK affair. Clay Shaw was a director
of Permindex.

New York City had a whole complex of buildings named the
WORLD TRADE CENTER. All of these buildings were destroyed
in a single day in history's greatest COINCIDENCE. Some
entity is behind the prevalent COINCIDENCE THEORY OF
HISTORY. Permindex?

World Trade Centers feature permanent industrial expositions
of international companies. Globalist exhibitions of global
products and services. Get it? PERMINDEX.

Check into it. WORLD TRADE CENTERS are central to many
events of the last 50 years.

Jack

I find it odd that NOBODY commented on my observation,
which I think may be the international tie that binds many
of these events together.

Jack

It's a most interesting link Jack.

Can you please elaborate on your observation that Permindex arranged the Dallas Trade Mart venue for President Kennedy's speech?

Reread what I said. I did not say that. I said that WORLD TRADE
CENTERS were organized by Permindex.

You are missing the point I was trying to make.

Jack

Linda Minor
04-21-2009, 02:07 AM
Reread what I said. I did not say that. I said that WORLD TRADE
CENTERS were organized by Permindex.
You are missing the point I was trying to make.
Jack

Do you have any evidence, or is this just an assumption on your part, Jack? I'm really not sure what your point is. It's my understanding the Dallas Trade Mart was set up by Trammell Crow and associates in order to bring vendors to Dallas as well as to create a regional wholesale market for retail buyers to gather. Chicago had a very similar set-up that the Marshall Fields family sold to Joe Kennedy.

I'm not sure that is what was the start of a World Trade Center. If so, it may have involved Paul Raigorodsky, who was also a director of Permindex I believe. His father-in-law W.F. McCaleb was vice chairman of the Dallas Fed under George Dealy when it was set up in 1914 and included northern Louisiana banks under its jurisdiction. http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Federal_Reserve_Bank_of_Dallas
New Orleans banks are under the Atlanta Fed, which also covers the entire state of Florida.

Dallas was an inland city and, therefore, had no international port, being more involved in domestic trade rather than international.

What is really fascinating is that Clay Shaw's alibi for Nov. 22, 1963 was that he was in San Francisco in a meeting with the chairman of the World Trade Center in that city when JFK was killed--J. Monroe Sullivan. The one thing that connected the trade relations of New Orleans, San Francisco and Dallas at that time was the Southern Pacific Railroad. The importance of that connection is what has truly been ignored.

Jack White
04-21-2009, 04:30 AM
Reread what I said. I did not say that. I said that WORLD TRADE
CENTERS were organized by Permindex.
You are missing the point I was trying to make.
Jack

Do you have any evidence, or is this just an assumption on your part, Jack? I'm really not sure what your point is. It's my understanding the Dallas Trade Mart was set up by Trammell Crow and associates in order to bring vendors to Dallas as well as to create a regional wholesale market for retail buyers to gather. Chicago had a very similar set-up that the Marshall Fields family sold to Joe Kennedy.

I'm not sure that is what was the start of a World Trade Center. If so, it may have involved Paul Raigorodsky, who was also a director of Permindex I believe. His father-in-law W.F. McCaleb was vice chairman of the Dallas Fed under George Dealy when it was set up in 1914 and included northern Louisiana banks under its jurisdiction. http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Federal_Reserve_Bank_of_Dallas
New Orleans banks are under the Atlanta Fed, which also covers the entire state of Florida.

Dallas was an inland city and, therefore, had no international port, being more involved in domestic trade rather than international.

What is really fascinating is that Clay Shaw's alibi for Nov. 22, 1963 was that he was in San Francisco in a meeting with the chairman of the World Trade Center in that city when JFK was killed--J. Monroe Sullivan. The one thing that connected the trade relations of New Orleans, San Francisco and Dallas at that time was the Southern Pacific Railroad. The importance of that connection is what has truly been ignored.

There are now more than 50 World Trade Centers. They are all connected.
There is ample evidence that they started in Italy as a CIA front
organization, Permindex...devoted to establishing Permanent Industrial
Exhibitions. The mere fact that ALL are named WORLD TRADE CENTER
is no coincidence. That WTCs repeatedly are involved in scenarios like
New Orleans, Dallas and 911 is no coincidence. Of course they are going
to disguise any conspiratorial connections. The CIA is not going to send
out a news release saying that all WTCs are CIA fronts.

Jack

Jack White
04-21-2009, 04:37 AM
The World Trade Center of Chicago was originally the Chicago
Merchandise Mart, owned for many years by the Kennedy
family.

Jack

Peter Lemkin
04-21-2009, 05:59 AM
Reread what I said. I did not say that. I said that WORLD TRADE
CENTERS were organized by Permindex.
You are missing the point I was trying to make.
Jack

Do you have any evidence, or is this just an assumption on your part, Jack? I'm really not sure what your point is. It's my understanding the Dallas Trade Mart was set up by Trammell Crow and associates in order to bring vendors to Dallas as well as to create a regional wholesale market for retail buyers to gather. Chicago had a very similar set-up that the Marshall Fields family sold to Joe Kennedy.

I'm not sure that is what was the start of a World Trade Center. If so, it may have involved Paul Raigorodsky, who was also a director of Permindex I believe. His father-in-law W.F. McCaleb was vice chairman of the Dallas Fed under George Dealy when it was set up in 1914 and included northern Louisiana banks under its jurisdiction. http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Federal_Reserve_Bank_of_Dallas
New Orleans banks are under the Atlanta Fed, which also covers the entire state of Florida.

Dallas was an inland city and, therefore, had no international port, being more involved in domestic trade rather than international.

What is really fascinating is that Clay Shaw's alibi for Nov. 22, 1963 was that he was in San Francisco in a meeting with the chairman of the World Trade Center in that city when JFK was killed--J. Monroe Sullivan. The one thing that connected the trade relations of New Orleans, San Francisco and Dallas at that time was the Southern Pacific Railroad. The importance of that connection is what has truly been ignored.

There are now more than 50 World Trade Centers. They are all connected.
There is ample evidence that they started in Italy as a CIA front
organization, Permindex...devoted to establishing Permanent Industrial
Exhibitions. The mere fact that ALL are named WORLD TRADE CENTER
is no coincidence. That WTCs repeatedly are involved in scenarios like
New Orleans, Dallas and 911 is no coincidence. Of course they are going
to disguise any conspiratorial connections. The CIA is not going to send
out a news release saying that all WTCs are CIA fronts.

Jack

Jack, I think a parallel may be the Hilton Hotel chain. They function, of course, as normal hotels, but due to the friendly connections of the Hilton Family to the intelligence community and their being in most major cities worldwide [and luxurious] they are used. In a similar manner the World Trade Centers....and many other things. Coca-Cola was long used to place agents, as they were everywhere - including the 'forbidden' Communist World. There are other examples and the CIA has all but admitted, and certainly demonstrated, that they use corporate and industrial fronts and are really the 'military' for the corporations and financiers.[United Fruit in Honduras; ATT in Chile, ABP in Iran, etc., etc.]

Ron Williams
05-06-2009, 04:49 AM
In one way I can see how some intelligent people could have been taken in by this clever mosaic but in another way, I can't see why no one would take the time to take it apart. In my view, disinformation, no matter how sophisticated, has to be attacked because it leads many people down blind alleys. --Jim DiEugenio 2001

+++++

I sure wish I would have saved Jim DiEugenio’s full review of “Torbitt,” as I have come to really appreciate his reviews over the years. He really does take the time to take important books “apart,” be they good or bad, and in a case like this he is probably the only one with the background and knowledge to do it.

Why no one adequately took “Torbitt” apart is something that bothers me too, but in another way. What I believe we need is for an analysis of the who and the why of this thing. Who really authored it and what was their motive? And I believe the analysis needs to be done in the context of “Tobitt” being an example of the “secret document” genre as described by Lloyd Miller (see earlier post above).

What trail might most probably produce results for the historical detective? One I would recommend looking into is the one that leads to the Betrand Russell minions. I remember being startled the first time I saw JFK researcher Jim Hargrove bringing that connection to the attention of the JFK research community, and that is one reason I would like to see that complete article written by Ralph Schoenman for the Santa Barbara newspaper in 1992. Hargrove pointed out that there were important similarities between “Torbitt” and the work of Russell’s “Who Killed Kennedy?” Committee.

Suspicion also might focus on a man that Vincent Salandria labeled an “agent” at one time, Richard E. Sprague, he of the vast collection of JFK assassination photographic evidence. For example, the placing of the three “tramps” on center stage is probably one of the most provocative leads in “Torbitt”

Jim DiEugenio was undoubtedly correct when he pointed out the significance of “Torbitt’s” appearance in 1970 right after the Jim Garrison case, or at least the Clay Shaw trial phase of it. When looked at in that light I think one will conclude that whoever the authors were, they were very knowledgeable of and most probably involved in the Garrison case itself. If so, what again was the motive? I can come up with none other than disinformation and misdirection - the plan to lead many potential investigators down those tiring trails to those false discoveries.

Ron Williams

Jan Klimkowski
10-11-2010, 06:01 PM
When Garrison was investigating Permindex, no information about Operation Gladio had been disclosed.

For an introduction to Gladio, see here:
http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1141&highlight=gladio

Gladio has strong links to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM). For background to SMOM, see my posts #49-50 of Covert Action material here:
http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1304&page=5

Roy Marcus Cohn was a board member of Permindex. His law partner, Tom Bolan, was a Knight of Malta.

Clay Shaw was both a board member of Permindex and a Knight of Malta.

The creators of Gladio, including Nazi and West German spy Reinhard Gehlen, and the Dulles brothers, were Knights of Malta. As was dear old Prescott Bush. And Bill Donovan. And William Casey. And George HW Bush. And John McCone. And Charles Willoughby, (born Karl Widenbach). And William Colby.

Every single Permindex board member fits the profile of a potential Gladio controller:

* Louis Bloomfield, Lawyer, President
* Ferenc Nagy, former anti-Communist Prime Minister Hungarian
* Georgio Mantello aka George Mantello aka George Mandel, alleged "rescuer" of Jewish refugees and official founder of PERMINDEX
* Roy Marcus Cohn, US lawyer for Senator Joseph McCarthy, Lionel Corporation
* Joseph Bonanno, Mafia figure, Lionel Corporation
* Jean Menu de Ménil, owner of Schlumberger Limited
* Paul Raigorodsky
* Count Guitierez di Spadafora, Undersecretary of Agriculture for Benito Mussolini
* Hans Seligman, Basel, Switzerland banker
* Carlo d'Amelio, Italian Lawyer, Head Consul for Centro Mondiale Commerciale (CMC)
* Max Hageman, newspaper editor National Zeitung Munich
* Munir Chourbagi, uncle to King Farouk of Egypt
* Giuseppe Zigotti, Italian Fascist
* Ferenc H. Simonfay, Major-General in Hungary and Nazi collaborator
* Clay Shaw, New Orleans International Trade Mart

Fwiw.

More on Permindex links to Gladio in the excerpt below from a long book review by Allen Douglas of The Black Prince and the Sea Devils: The Story of Valerio Borghese and the Elite Units of the Decima Mas,by Jack Greene and Alessandro Massignani, Cambridge, Mass.: Da Capo Press, 2004 284 pages, hardcover, $27.50, in LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review:


NATO's Assassination Bureau
The extent of terrorism, assassinations, and the re-shaping of Europe's political landscape through Gladio and related, NATO-directed units is stunning.

However, a vital caveat must be added here. The apparatus behind the "strategy of tension" terror that destabilized Europe over much of the Cold War era, was first and foremost a private synarchist apparatus embedded in the NATO and national secret service organizations, including "official" clandestine agencies like Gladio. These "parallel" networks, populated by veterans of the wartime Fascist and Nazi apparatus, and associated with secret societies like P-2, and fronts like Rosa dei Venti and Nuclei di Difesa dello Stato, at times had their agents posted in top positions in the "official" structures, creating the dangerously tempting but false appearance that the official agencies per se—including NATO—were directing the terror/destabilization programs.

Confusion on this point is both dangerous and understandable. When the P-2 membership list was revealed in the early 1980s, following the death of banker Roberto Calvi, it became clear that the secret lodge had penetrated virtually the entire security apparatus and political party structures of Italy and several other countries of Europe and Ibero-America.

The carnage carried out by this "parallel" apparatus was stunning. In Italy alone, the chief theater of Gladio warfare, there were 14,591 "acts of violence with a political motivation," according to Italian Sen. Giovanni Pellegrino, head of the Parliamentary Committee on the Failed Identification of the Authors of Terrorist Massacres ("Terrorism Committee," in operation 1994-2001, which looked into both Gladio and the P2 lodge). "It may be worth remembering that these `acts' have left behind 491 dead and 1,181 injured and maimed, figures of a war, with no parallel in any other European country."

Besides NATO's Gladio base in Sardinia, logistical support for Gladio in Italy and France was run out of a NATO front in dictator Antonio de Oliveira Salazar's Portugal, Aginter Press, which also ran the stay-behind units there. It was headed by a former member of the anti-de Gaulle, pro-fascist Secret Army Organization (OAS), Yves Guerin Serac, who moved to Portugal after de Gaulle surrendered Algeria. Said Guerin Serac, belying the goals of his synarchist masters, "After the OAS I fled to Portugal to carry on the fight and expand it to its proper dimensions—which is to say, a planetary dimension." He outlined his plan to "defeat communism," using NATO-organized "communist terrorism" as the excuse:

"In the first phase of our political activity we must create chaos in all structures of the regime. Two forms of terrorism can provoke such a situation: The blind terrorism (committing massacres indiscriminately which cause a large number of victims), and the selective terrorism (eliminate chosen persons). This destruction of the state must be carried out as much as possible under the cover of `communist activities.' After that, we must intervene at the heart of the military, the juridical power and the church, in order to influence popular opinion, suggest a solution, and clearly demonstrate the weakness of the present legal apparatus. . . . Popular opinion must be polarized in such a way, that we are being represented as the only instrument capable of saving the nation. It is obvious that we will need considerable financial resources to carry out such operations."

Aginter Press's representative in Italy, according to the ON's Vincenzo Vinciguerra, was Stefano Delle Chiaie. Delle Chiaie "allegedly carried out well over a thousand bloodthirsty attacks, including an estimated 50 murders in Spain," according to Daniele Ganser.

In assassinations within Portugal or its colonies, Aginter Press worked with the Portuguese secret service, PIDE. According to Portuguese journalists, it was involved in the assassination of Eduardo Mondlane, president of the Mozambican Liberation Front (Frelimo) in 1969, and of Amilcar Cabral, national liberation leader in Guinea-Bissau in 1973. And, according to the most recent revelations from former Italian Sen. Sergio Flamigni, the "parallel" apparatus coordinated the kidnap and assassination of former Prime Minister Aldo Moro through its Red Brigades unit on March 16, 1978, the day on which a PCI-supported DC government under Giulio Andreotti was finally going to be sworn in.

Were the Synarchist networks infiltrated into the NATO and Gladio structures involved in other assassinations of heads of state or government, as well?

The Nov. 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy was coordinated by the Rome and New Orleans-headquartered Permindex corporation, which French intelligence, SDECE, discovered had also put up $200,000 for an attempt on de Gaulle. Even a cursory examination of the hard-core fascist outlook and connections of most of the Permindex/CMC personnel, their numerous ties to high-level Anglo-American intelligence, along with their financial connections, leaves no doubt that Permindex and its Rome-based arm, Centro Mondiale Commerciale (CMC), were part of the parallel NATO/Gladio structure.

Permindex was registered in Berne, Switzerland, Dulles's old stomping grounds. It was chaired by a high-ranking veteran of the Special Operations Executive (SOE) and the OSS, the Canada-based lawyer and financier, Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, the majority shareholder in Permindex (who also owned 50% of CMC). Its board was a mélange of devout "anti-communists," aristocrats, and fascists of various intelligence pedigrees. These included Count Guitierez di Spadafora, former undersecretary of agriculture to Mussolini, secretary of a British-sponsored Sicilian separatist movement, and in-law of Hjalmar Schacht, the master financier of the postwar Nazi International; Carlo d'Amelio, a Rome attorney who oversaw the financial holdings of the House of Savoy, and, according to some accounts, also of the Pallavicini family, and was the founding president of the CMC; Giuseppe Zigiotti, head of the Fascist National Association for Militia Arms; several other wartime fascists; and former OSS London and SOE veteran Col. Clay Shaw, the operations officer for the assassination.

Permindex was chaired by Canada's Bloomfield, while its international arm, CMC, was based in Rome, and Clay Shaw's firm in New Orleans, International Trade Mart, was a subsidiary of Permindex/CMC. According to documents released through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), OSS veteran Shaw worked for the CIA, as well. There was ample evidence of Shaw's involvement in the assassination, for which he was indicted by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison. Notably, one of the names found in Shaw's personal phone book was that of Princess Marcella Borghese, a member of the Black Prince's family. And one of the lower-level figures in the ambit of the plot, Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby (who assassinated patsy Lee Harvey Oswald), charged repeatedly in letters from jail, that "the Nazis and the Fascists were behind the Kennedy murder." According to the highly credible Torbitt manuscript, "Ruby was much more knowledgeable about the conspiracy than most."

Huge financial resources flowed through Permindex/CMC for no commercial purpose. Some of these funds, at least, were provided through banks which had earlier financed the Nazis, including one intimately associated with Allen Dulles from the time of his 1930s work with Nazi cartels, through to his 1953-61 stint as CIA chief. Some hints of where the money was going could be found in French and Italian press reports that CMC official Ferenc Nagy, the fiercely anti-communist former Prime Minister of Hungary, was financing Jacques Soustelle and the OAS, along with other European fascist movements; or in New Orleans District Attorney Garrison's observation about "Shaw's secret life as an Agency [CIA] man trying to bring Fascism back to Italy."[6]

NATO units were also involved in at least some of the numerous assassination attempts on France's President Charles de Gaulle in 1962-63, which was no doubt a factor in de Gaulle's withdrawing France from NATO's military command in 1966. France, after all, had been a key target of NATO's "Operation Demagnetize" in the 1950s, and the "anti-communist," bitterly anti-de Gaulle OAS operatives like Guerin Serac, were natural partners of NATO. Adm. Pierre Lacoste, director of the France's military secret service DGSE (1982-85), admitted after Andreotti had exposed Gladio's existence in 1990, that some "terrorist actions" against de Gaulle and his plans to liberate Algeria were carried out by groups involving "a limited number of people" from the French Gladio organization!

A five-year investigation by France's SDECE intelligence agency of a 1962 assassination plot against de Gaulle found that the assassination had been planned in the Brussels headquarters of NATO by a specific group of British and French generals, who employed former fascists for the planned wetwork.

And then, there is the case of Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme, who was assassinated on Feb. 28, 1986 in Stockholm. While there is no hard proof that parallel Gladio networks were involved, it has been suspected by Swedish investigative journalists. On April 28, 1992, Sweden's top daily, Dagens Nyheter, carried the headline: "A Top-Secret Intelligence Network Within NATO Is Behind the Death of Olof Palme." Journalist Goran Beckerus charged that the operative branch of NATO's Allied Clandestine Committee, known by its initials SOPS, oversaw the assassination under the code name "Operation Tree."

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3205_italy_black_prince.html

Friendly warning: not all dots may be joined correctly.....

John Kowalski
12-31-2010, 03:29 PM
I would agree that this is at least an important part of the central premise, but I don�t believe that Torbitt clears up anything.

One problem we have is that info on Louis Mortimer Bloomfield is hard to come by.

Close associate of J. Edgar Hoover? OSS? Sex deviate? ��the direct supervisor of all contractual agents in the FBI�s Division 5?�

Says who?

Where are the sources?

What was Bloomfield really doing during World War II? Was he working for Sir William �Intrepid� Stephenson out of the British Security Coordination office in Rockefeller Center in New York? I was hoping that some of the UK or Canadian researchers would have cleared this up by now.

One UK author, Matthew Smith in Say Goodbye to America: The Sensational and Untold Story behind the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, writes:

��The founder and chairman of Permindex was Canadian-born Major Louis Bloomfield, who had a strong background in intelligence. First with British intelligence, he moved, during the Second World War, to the OSS and became friends with J. Edgar Hoover. His intelligence work continued while he was with Permindex.� (p. 173)

There are no sources listed for this. Does anyone know Matthew Smith? If so, could they ask him about it?

Ron Williams

I have been reviewing Bloomfield's papers and found this document which indicates that he is acting on behalf of someone else. In the attached document, Bloomfield states that he is acting on the behalf of shareholders.

John

David Guyatt
12-31-2010, 04:22 PM
John, do you have any indication who the "shareholders" actually were?

John Kowalski
01-01-2011, 10:26 PM
John, do you have any indication who the "shareholders" actually were?

David:

Unfortunately not. I reviewed a large quantity of material, and checked everything that had Permindex (but could have missed it) on it and did not see any that indicated who he represented. I have not finished reviewing all of the material and some of it is still closed to the public.

Maurice Phillips, a Montreal based JFK researcher and who is on EF, managed to get the Bloomfield material opened after someone requested that it remain closed. He may have more information on the shareholders. His website: http://somesecretsforyou.blogspot.com/2010/04/revelations-from-bloomfield-archives.html

I did not expect a lot of incriminating evidence to be found in Bloomfield's papers as he would, no doubt, would have removed any sensitive material, if it did exist, prior to giving it to the archives.

He does however refer to a Mr. Dulles and in another letter refers to Clint Murchinson.

John

David Guyatt
01-02-2011, 10:51 AM
Thank you John. As a former banker it is my habit to look at the banking connections because certain banks, historically, formed into loose, or at least "informal" trading groups or associations.

In the two letters you kindly provided the two banks referenced were Lazard's - which I assume to be the British Lazard Brothers merchant bank - but could equally be the US Lazard Freres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazard#History) I suppose? If the former there is a clear trail that leads to the British imperialist group and the true power-behind-the-throne of British politics, the Rhodes-Milner "Oxford Group (http://www.naderlibrary.com/finalwarning5.3.htm)". The other bank Dominick & Dominick (http://www.scripophily.net/adprcoofco18.html) I know of, but nothing worthwhile really.

My own thought is that these two names tend to point towards the Anglo-American nexus of interests. But the person who probably has a better chance of winkling out clearer background details is Linda Minor.

I have never quite understood why there has been such reluctance on the part of serious JFK researchers to avoid a possible Anglo-American sponsorship of the JFK assassination. The connections that lead back to WWII British intelligence seem to me to be a rather fruitful trail.

But then I am simply not a JFK researcher, so what do I know.

John Kowalski
01-02-2011, 05:01 PM
David:

The Rhodes-Milner group; was this group founded by the Rhodes and Milner of the 1890s who played a role in starting the Boer War?

Bloomfield spent a lot of time working with the wealthy, including the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and other wealthy and well-connected people. He had a financial connection to Freeport Sulphur and oil interests. As a lawyer in 1953 he wrote a book about Guatemala a year before the CIA, under Dulles, overthrew the regime there. His proximity to these people make him a person of interest to JFK researchers but me may not be the sinister character or mastermind of anything that some have made him out to be. More research is needed to determine what role, if any, whether witting or unwitting he played in the assassination.

Below is a document about Freeport Sulpher and another one that names companies he controlled or had an interest in.

John

David Guyatt
01-02-2011, 05:59 PM
Exactly so John, the very same.

But their very considerable power continued well into the 1970's and then, became almost entirely eclipsed from the public eye. This followed on from Carroll Quigley publishing his massive tomb "Tragedy & Hope" (and of course his earlier book "The Anglo-American Establishment"), that "outed" their long range plans for control of the political structure of the world via the banking system, which they effectively controlled.

The Council for Foreign Relations is simply the US incarnation of the British Chatham House - the Oxford Group's think-tank.

Freeport Sulphur was very close to big oil and had connections stretching back to the OSS and later to the CIA, as I recollect. I looked at them some years ago when I was investigating Project Hammer (have a quick peek at the section under the heading "Mapping the covert connections" HERE (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/projecthammerreload/hammerreloaded_pf.htm)). Midland Bank (now HSBC) was the commercial bank of Milner and the Oxford Group (as opposed to their merchant bank).

I would also mention that it was also the Oxford Group's long term goal to own and control the mineral deposits of the world, to ensure their "political" plan bore fruit. I believe (but no longer can be sure - it was some years ago now) that this is stated quite emphatically in Quigley's "Anglo-American Establishment", the endnotes of which also bear close scrutiny.

They didn't think small...

Thank you for the additional documents. The stock holdings seem small, so I suppose there were other considerations involved in owning them. But they also show an emphasis on minerals and mining don't they. Interesting.

John Kowalski
01-03-2011, 01:38 AM
David:

In your article you mentioned Peter Munk. Linda McQuaig, the author of The Trouble with Billionaires mentioned that he had made a donation to the University of Toronto to fund a school of global affiars. This school will also contain the Canadian International Council, a right wing think tank that will try to replace Canada’s traditional UN peacekeeping role with a larger role in US led wars.

Your article also mentions Credit Suisse. Bloomfield was on the board of directors of Credit Suisse (Canada) Ltd. Looks like a subsidiary. In your research regarding banks has Bloomfield's Credit Suisse (Canada) Ltd. or any of the signatories on the signature card been involved in any covert operations?

John

David Guyatt
01-03-2011, 11:00 AM
Unfortunately not John.

I know of Credit Suisse activities quite well, but since all my research material is now in storage, I have to rely on memory. Not good. Credit Suisse over the years have had some clients who were, well, less than savoury, mafia types, as I recall.

Via it's one time investment banking outfit, CSFB - now divested - you will find the Bush family bank - G H Walker & Co - repackaged. See White Weld & Co (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Weld_%26_Co), a Boston Brahmin firm, where I worked as a youngster back in the 1960's (now part of Clariden Bank).