View Full Version : The Most Important Error the FBI told the Warren Commission about the Rifle

Bob Prudhomme
05-02-2014, 05:29 PM
As we have discussed, SA Robert A. Frazier was the FBI's leading firearms expert, performed all of the FBI's tests on the alleged assassination weapon and presented his findings in testimony to the Warren Commission in 1964.

It has been my experience that it is remarkably easy to find glaring mistakes in Mr. Frazier's testimony, to the point I have begun to suspect he almost wanted someone to see through the FBI's charade.

What I am going to show you I have already presented in another thread. It is buried at the back of that thread, however, and the importance of it may not be readily apparent to a reader whose head is already swimming with other data.

Anyways, here is the testimony:

From Wikipedia:

"FBI tests[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifl e&action=edit&section=9)]
The FBI tests of the Carcano's accuracy showed:
1) FBI firearms expert Robert A. Frazier testified that "It is a very accurate weapon. The targets we fired show that."[61] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle#cite_note-61) From 15 yards (14 m), all three bullets in a test firing landed approximately 2½ inches high, and 1-inch (25 mm) to the right, in the area about the size of a dime.[62] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle#cite_note-62) At 100 yards (91 m), the test shots landed 2½ to 5 inches (130 mm) high, within a 3 to 5-inch (130 mm) circle. Frazier testified that the scope's high variation would actually work in the shooter's favor: with a target moving away from the shooter, no lead correction would have been necessary to follow the target. "At that range, at that distance, 175 feet (53 m) to 265 feet (81 m),[63] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle#cite_note-63) with this rifle and that telescopic sight, I would not have allowed any lead — I would not have made any correction for lead merely to hit a target of that size."

Can anyone spot the outrageous error in the above testimony?

Drew Phipps
05-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Seems to me that its not very accurate at the range of the shots fired at JFK. Five inch circle is a miss, if all you've got to aim at is head and shoulders. Also, it occurs to me that, at least at the time of the "magic bullet shot," the car has to be moving very nearly directly away from the shooter for the pople to be positioned properly. If I recall my Dealy Plaza layout correctly, there would actually be little to no movement to the right as the bullet makes its short supersonic flight. In the ~.025 sec it takes a 2000 m/sec bullet to go 60 meters, a car travelling 15 mph (22 ft/sec) would move about 6 inches directly away from the shooter, but that doesn't equate to a 6 inch "higher" shot, its a fraction of an inch "higher."