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Charles Drago
10-08-2008, 12:01 AM
For those of us who have made our bones, so to speak, in the study of deep political phenomena, certain current events invite near-instant analyses informed by all we have learned from work in these areas.

Case in point: John McCain's aggressive telegraphing of his "going negative" punch at Barack Obama.

All day long (10/7), in advance of the second presidential debate, members of the American print and television pundit class have expressed deep befuddlement as to why the McCain Campaign makes such a show of signaling its negative intentions.

Their simple-minded conclusion is that McCain has to change the subject from the economy or else virtually guarantee a defeat of historic proportions -- and he has to do it LOUDLY.

And so -- no great surprise -- we are confronted with the latest in a seemingly endless procession of the MSM's shallowest of Shallow Political "analyses"

My take: At its deepest political level, this move is all about making a McCain "victory" plausible in the wake of what will (as opposed to would) be America's third consecutive stolen presidential election.

The blaringly trumpeted McCain campaign tactical decision will so dominate the pre-"election" discussion that, on the morning of November 5, the pundits will trample each other in the rush to be the first to explain McCain's "victory" by suggesting that his negative attacks put him over the top.

This in tandem with the "argument" that Palin's appeal proved to be the icing on McCain's cake will be enough (at least for all "thinking" Americans) to counter charges of wide-spread election fraud -- of the sort that's already underway in swing states and elsewhere -- and support once again the illusion of democracy in a country that has all but become a democracy-free zone.

Mark my words.

And please offer your own to support, disagree with, or expand upon my analysis.

Jack White
10-08-2008, 02:18 AM
"For those of us who have made our bones"

.....hmmmmmm;)

Jack

Peter Lemkin
10-08-2008, 07:31 AM
For those of us who have made our bones, so to speak, in the study of deep political phenomena, certain current events invite near-instant analyses informed by all we have learned from work in these areas.

Case in point: John McCain's aggressive telegraphing of his "going negative" punch at Barack Obama.

All day long (10/7), in advance of the second presidential debate, members of the American print and television pundit class have expressed deep befuddlement as to why the McCain Campaign makes such a show of signaling its negative intentions.

Their simple-minded conclusion is that McCain has to change the subject from the economy or else virtually guarantee a defeat of historic proportions -- and he has to do it LOUDLY.

And so -- no great surprise -- we are confronted with the latest in a seemingly endless procession of the MSM's shallowest of Shallow Political "analyses"

My take: At its deepest political level, this move is all about making a McCain "victory" plausible in the wake of what will (as opposed to would) be America's third consecutive stolen presidential election.

The blaringly trumpeted McCain campaign tactical decision will so dominate the pre-"election" discussion that, on the morning of November 5, the pundits will trample each other in the rush to be the first to explain McCain's "victory" by suggesting that his negative attacks put him over the top.

This in tandem with the "argument" that Palin's appeal proved to be the icing on McCain's cake will be enough (at least for all "thinking" Americans) to counter charges of wide-spread election fraud -- of the sort that's already underway in swing states and elsewhere -- and support once again the illusion of democracy in a country that has all but become a democracy-free zone.

Mark my words.

And please offer your own to support, disagree with, or expand upon my analysis.

Could well be. Those behind the scenes/curtain of Bush/Chaney/McCain/Palin are hardly about to give up their rule and will attempt to prolong it by ANY means necessary. Yes, they still have some leverage over Obama - as they did Clinton - but not at the same and such easy level. I'd fully expect more vote stealing/challenges/electonic-vote fraud PLUS a last minute 'Octover Surprise' in about two-three weeks.....These people play dirty as the last years show even more than the proceeding 50+.

David Guyatt
10-08-2008, 01:14 PM
Allow me to be the barrel of laughs here and say that yes, Obama woud be better than John McBain but et us not forget that Obama is in pocket of the Trilateral Commission.

No matter who gets elected, the only winners are the business party.

Charles Drago
10-08-2008, 03:06 PM
David, you are most correct.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

There once was a thoroughbred racetrack in Rhode Island -- the state of my birth -- that Vinnie Teresa, the first high-profile Mafia stool pigeon who famously testified to the reality of La Cosa Nostra in America, termed the most thoroughly "fixed" track in the country.

Yet each pre-determined race there could be handicapped by honest bettors -- although not by evaluating traditional criteria such as horses' won/lost records, performances on specific track conditions, jockeys' abilities, injuries, etc.

The way you picked a horse at that track was to determine who owned it, the nature of the owner's relationship to the crime family running the operation, who had a favor coming -- that sort of thing.

Like the way we apply deep political analyses to American presidential contests.

Polls and policies are, as Ian Fleming might put it, "of as little account as sparrows' tears."

Jan Klimkowski
10-08-2008, 08:49 PM
The ever interesting Greg Palast managed to get some BBC airtime late last night to expose the upcoming American electoral fraud with the Republican purge of voter rolls. Palast's film can be seen here:

http://mrknightblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/newsnight-report-greg-palast-on-voter.html

Charles Drago
10-08-2008, 10:31 PM
As I type this it is 6:25 PM EDT on Wednesday, October 8, 2008.

These election fraud stories were virtually non-existant over the past -- which number should I choose -- 24, 36, 48, 60, 72, 84, or 96 months?

Except, of course, as filed at "alternative" media sites by a handful of courageous journalists like Greg Palast, whose superb work simply doesn't register on the public consciousness.

Like the warnings of RFK, Jr.

Unheeded.

Last night, as part of CNN's post-debate "analysis," Democratic operative James Carville said, and I paraphrase, "If Obama goes into election day five points ahead and McCain wins, we're going to ... well, I'll leave it at that."

Here's hoping -- against hope -- that this subtle public warning has been delivered to the inevitable fixers in more certain terms privately.

But wait.

As previously noted ... what difference does it make?

I'm still with George Carlin on this whole voting thing.

Jack White
10-09-2008, 02:33 AM
Not being familiar with that particular Carlin quote, I looked it up:

.....


George Carlin - On Voting (04:19)

"You may have noticed that there's one thing I don't complain about: Politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says, "They suck". But where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. No, they come from American homes, American families, American schools, American churches, American businesses, and they're elected by American voters. This is the best we can do, folks. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out.

....I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain", but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain.

I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."

David Guyatt
10-09-2008, 08:57 AM
Heck, I must've read Carlin in my sleep once because I've been advocating the same thing as him for two decades. Voting is simply falling into trap that your vote counts when it doesn't.

It's a fixed roulette wheel, overseen by a crooked croupier, working in a criminal casino that is regulated by a villainous gaming commission in a corrupt state.

Dawn Meredith
10-09-2008, 11:59 AM
I totally agree with the first posts here. I fully expect that some sort of October Surprise will be manufactured, as well as fraud to ensure that the neocons grab further power. Yes David, Obama is in the Trilateralist's back pocket. You cannot rise to this level of power without this being the case. So was Jimmy Carter, but he was, and is still, a good man.

The differences between McSame and Obama are staggering in my opinion.
McNasty is unstable, angry, prone to war and more war, has become a neocon, has shown to be tied to scandal, inept in a similar vein to W. With Mc Same we WILL have more of the last eight years.

Obama has a different vision. And most importantly he won't start world war three. Will he stand up to the powers that be the way JFK did? This remains to be seen.
I fear that he will be stopped before we ever find out. When I hear the pundits sayin this thing is in the bag my blood runs cold. Have they not read the massive amount of reporting on the stolen elections of 2000 and 2004?

Dawn

Jack White
10-09-2008, 01:49 PM
"Will he stand up to the powers that be the way JFK did?"

If we have learned anything studying all this stuff for 45 years it is that Dallas, Memphis and Los Angeles were warnings that "standing up" will not be tolerated. Either you are a puppet or you are snuffed out. The message is clear. And Obama is a special case. There are plenty of rednecks who will be willing to undertake the task on him independently.

That is why there are no "worthy" candidates any more. Nobody of significance wants to volunteer for martyrdom.

Jack

Dawn Meredith
10-19-2008, 04:23 PM
"Will he stand up to the powers that be the way JFK did?"

If we have learned anything studying all this stuff for 45 years it is that Dallas, Memphis and Los Angeles were warnings that "standing up" will not be tolerated. Either you are a puppet or you are snuffed out. The message is clear. And Obama is a special case. There are plenty of rednecks who will be willing to undertake the task on him independently.

That is why there are no "worthy" candidates any more. Nobody of significance wants to volunteer for martyrdom.

Jack

Good points, Jack. But, that said, if Obama should win he MAY travel a short while down the JFK road. If.... Powell's nod this morning may influence this election.

I agree that the wing nuts out there would be more than happy to take him out. We have the SS saying there were no "kill him" voices in the Scranton PA crowd. I saw it on the news. Guess they had thier ipods on and missed it :) And this is the SS after all, they did little to protect in '63. To the contrary!

We will not know what he's made of until -(if)- he's in the WH. Certainly his bailout vote eroded much "hope" of someone different.

Dawn

Peter Lemkin
10-20-2008, 06:17 AM
Good points, Jack. But, that said, if Obama should win he MAY travel a short while down the JFK road. If.... Powell's nod this morning may influence this election.

I agree that the wing nuts out there would be more than happy to take him out. We have the SS saying there were no "kill him" voices in the Scranton PA crowd. I saw it on the news. Guess they had thier ipods on and missed it :) And this is the SS after all, they did little to protect in '63. To the contrary!

We will not know what he's made of until -(if)- he's in the WH. Certainly his bailout vote eroded much "hope" of someone different.

Dawn


As Jack points out, all of those assassinations were not just to 'take out' an opponent of the Oligarchy behind the Curtain, but to warn others who might be tempted to fill their shoes.... So, we have what we have.....mushy peas for potitical fortitude - except for those unheard shouting from the frindge. IF Obama is elected [still unknown if there will be an octobersurprise or vote theft etc.] we just don't know how much along JFK path he may go or evolve. My hunch is he will enough to get him 'removed' - a year or two into his term. There will be no shortage of willing shooters. The yahoos already have him as an islamofascist trojanhorse into the American body politic [funny, as the opposite is true]. I hope I'm wrong. An Obama Presidentcy won't be bread and roses, but it might just be less of the corporate fascism we have experienced to date and a moment when the People can tell the President what they want. We will see. Yes, he is bought-out and controlled (but IMO somewhat slightly less than Bush/Chaney/McCain). But will he remain that way? Unknown. His only chance of becoming something better and survival is the People pushing him and protecting him. We are the soverign in this Nation - if we only realize it and seize back the power stolen from us. This horrible financial theft is one of our best chances for a wake-up of the sleeping People. If they don't 'get it now' - they never will - and the Nation is lost forever.

Magda Hassan
10-20-2008, 06:57 AM
We are the soverign in this Nation - if we only realize it and seize back the power stolen from us. This horrible financial theft is one of our best chances for a wake-up of the sleeping People. If they don't 'get it now' - they never will - and the Nation is lost forever.

I have been quite amazed and bewildered at the non reaction of people in the US. It is hard for me to judge because I am not in the United States to see for myself but I thought that there would have been much more visible response from people about everything that is going on there. I saw a news clip of maybe 200 people outside Wall Street one day with a few signs and slogans and I know very many people rang their politicians to say NO to the bail out/wealth transfer. And that is it. Here in Australia things are much the same as usual but then we are in a diferent situation to the US we'll be in deep trouble if China slows down. I know we have handed a few billion to our banks but there is no visible difference in people's lives [yet] except for an increase in foreclosures in the outer suburbs which are never in the news anyway. It seems that every third house is boarded up in the US. But I don't see any one doing anything about it - getting organised to take back their lives and their country and fighting back. It's like everyone has laid down to die or something. Maybe they're waiting for Obama to come along and fix everything. What is it like there at the moment?

David Healy
10-20-2008, 04:02 PM
... It seems that every third house is boarded up in the US. But I don't see any one doing anything about it - getting organised to take back their lives and their country and fighting back. ...

Every third house? That's nonsense! And we/they are going to do something about it.... in a democracy its called, "voting." November 4th, 2008.

I do have a bit of news for those on the other side of the pond(s). Something you may not be aware of. It seems Sweet Sarah Palin (Republican VP candidate) and her hubby (specifically) have Alaskan Successionist Movement ties. Rather strange position considering Sarah Palin is the Governor of that great State. What does one make of that?

GOOGLE is your friend :o

Magda Hassan
10-20-2008, 11:25 PM
Looks like an oil company fiefdom from here David.