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R.K. Locke
05-04-2016, 10:02 PM
https://aeon.co/opinions/there-is-no-death-only-a-series-of-eternal-nows

ere we tell you what happens after you’re dead. Seriously. Okay, it’s not so serious, because you won’t actually die.

To lay the groundwork, let’s recap the scientific view of death: essentially, you drop dead and that’s the end of everything. This is the view favoured by intellectuals who pride themselves on being stoic and realistic enough to avoid cowardly refuge in Karl Marx’s spiritual ‘opium’ – the belief in an afterlife. This modern view is not a cheerful one.

But our theory of the universe, called biocentrism, in which life and consciousness create the reality around them, has no space for death at all. To fully understand this, we need to go back to Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity, one of the pillars of modern physics. An important consequence of his work is that the past, present and future are not absolutes, demolishing the idea of time as inviolable.

‘If you try to get your hands on time,’ said the physicist Julian Barbour, ‘it’s always slipping through your fingers. People are sure that it’s there but they can’t get hold of it. Now my feeling is that they can’t get hold of it because it isn’t there at all.’

He and many other physicists see each individual moment as a whole, complete and existing in its own right. We live in a succession of ‘Nows’. ‘We have the strong impression that [things] are there in definite positions relative to each other,’ says Barbour. ‘[But] there are Nows, nothing more, nothing less.’

Indeed, Einstein’s colleague, John Wheeler (who popularised the word ‘black hole’) also postulated that time is not a fundamental aspect of reality. In 2007, his ‘delayed-choice’ experiment showed that you could retroactively influence the past by altering a particle of light, called a photon, in the present. As light passed a fork in the experimental apparatus, it had to decide whether to behave like particles or waves. Later on (after the light had already passed the fork),a scientist could turn a switch on or off. What the scientist did at that moment retroactively determined what the particle actually did at the fork in the past.

These and other experiments increasingly show that the flow of time is illusory. But how can we make sense of a world where time doesn’t exist? And what does it tell us about death?

Biocentrism sheds some light. Werner Heisenberg, the eminent Nobel physicist who pioneered quantum mechanics, once said: ‘Contemporary science, today more than at any previous time, has been forced by nature herself to pose again the question of the possibility of comprehending reality by mental processes.’ It turns out that everything we see and experience is a whirl of information occurring in our head. We are not just objects embedded in some external matrix ticking away ‘out there’. Rather, space and time are the tools our mind uses to put it all together.

Of course, as you’re reading this, you’re experiencing a ‘now’. But consider: from your great-grandmother’s perspective, your nows exist in her future and her great-grandmother’s nows exist in her past. The words ‘past’ and ‘future’ are just ideas relative to each individual observer.

So what happened to your great-grandmother after she died? To start with – since time doesn’t exist – there is no ‘after death’, except the death of her physical body in your now. Since everything is just nows, there is no absolute space/time matrix for her energy to dissipate – it’s simply impossible for her to have ‘gone’ anywhere.

Think of it like one of those old phonographs. The information on the record is turned into a three-dimensional reality that we can experience a moment at a time. All the other information on the record exists as potential. Any causal history leading up to the ‘now’ being experienced can be thought of as the ‘past’ (ie, the songs that played before wherever the needle is), and any events that follow occur in the ‘future’; these parallel nows are said to be in superposition. Likewise, the before-death state, including your current life with its memories, goes back into superposition, into the part of the record that represents just information.

In short, death does not actually exist. Instead, at death, we reach the imagined border of ourselves, the wooded boundary where, in the old fairy tale, the fox and the hare say goodnight to each other. And if death and time are illusions, so too is the continuity in the connection of nows. Where, then, do we find ourselves? On rungs that can be shuffled and reshuffled anywhere, ‘like those’, as Ralph Waldo Emerson put it in 1842, ‘that Hermes won with dice, of the Moon, that Osiris might be born.’

Einstein knew this. In 1955, when his lifelong friend Michele Besso died, he wrote: ‘Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.’

R.K. Locke
05-04-2016, 10:05 PM
I recommend listening to this podcast after you've read the article above:

http://www.skeptiko.com/bernardo-kastrup-religious-myths-312/

Direct link:

http://media.blubrry.com/skeptiko/p/content.blubrry.com/skeptiko/skeptiko-312-bernardo-kastrup.mp3

Tracy Riddle
05-04-2016, 10:21 PM
Very cool, thanks for posting. The older I get, the more I have the feeling that time/aging are just illusions, though very convincing ones.

Ken Garretson
05-05-2016, 12:08 AM
Interesting you post this. Kastrup has two interviews on skeptiko. Been reading his work too. It's an interesting twist on the primacy of consciousness-which is where modern physics has brought us in the last 100 years. Consciousness is primary.



I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.” – Max Planck, theoretical physicist who originated quantum theory, which won him the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918

Physicist Sir James Jeans -"The universe begins to look more like a great thought, than a great machine"

David Guyatt
05-05-2016, 07:33 AM
I also think Consciousness is primary. And that the old alchemists and occultists both in Europe and China, India etc., knew this was the case. All we need do now is understand what consciousness (https://carljungdepthpsychology.wordpress.com/2014/11/20/carl-jung-on-consciousness-and-becoming-conscious-2/) is?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOxlZm2AU4o

Michael Barwell
05-06-2016, 02:51 PM
I used to get alot of this sort of 'msg'ing - 'There is no death etc.'-bollocks when I was being tortured with the astonishingly painful synthetic trigeminal/migrainous neuralgia (& mocked for the involuntary noises I was making in response) which I knew was just that - synthetic. Alot of "malevolent gods" & "death is peaceful" synthetic telepathy & thru' 'heads-up' tv cues guff too. Just as well that I'm an objective rationalist who thinks invisible friends & the will to self-absolve by proxy is a dirty, stupid business.
You get nauseous, then a chill, then a prickly heat, then you die - or wake up, vomiting.

Michael Barwell
05-07-2016, 02:48 PM
I used to get alot of this sort of 'msg'ing - 'There is no death etc.'-bollocks when I was being tortured with the astonishingly painful synthetic trigeminal/migrainous neuralgia (& mocked for the involuntary noises I was making in response) which I knew was just that - synthetic. Alot of "malevolent gods" & "death is peaceful" synthetic telepathy & thru' 'heads-up' tv cues guff too. Just as well that I'm an objective rationalist who thinks invisible friends & the will to self-absolve by proxy is a dirty, stupid business.
You get nauseous, then a chill, then a prickly heat, then you die - or wake up, vomiting.

You might wake-up like I did, then shuffle thru' to the kitchen for water or a nice cup of tea, on a towel so the blood dosn't spread; the wounds've stopped bleeding an' you wonder why you're suddenly squelching, then you look down and see that as you put your weight on one or other feet, blood's spurting-out where it'd stopped before 'cos yer genes're good an' you clot quick (blocked to bath with the stuff). An' you wonder what kind of light entertainment this is.

An orange-faced airport blond apparently from the north-east here - according to 'legend', started chatting with me on YT. I'd made a post there that I tried finding a few days ago, to find her, but it dosn't seem to be there. I'd made a comment on a news vid, probably the London riots, or possibly that student demo (2010/11), where I'd noticed 'rioters' working in collusion with ppl taking 'photos - not AP or Reuters or the like, these 'photographers' were from the demo 'camp'. One would goad the cops in some way so that it looked like the cops were being overly heavy-handed & aggressive, with the 'photographers getting the 'evidence'; it seemed to me to be a very symbiotic thing, & quite cynical. I'd commented that if 'you' were a copper, you'd be "tempted to give 'em [or 'them'] a dig" - verbatim. This airplane blond had then started chatting - I'd noticed here somewhere else (tactic is to 'fish'/flaunt themselves, easy with 'inside info' - they just repeat something you've said, or a 'leader') saying she was 'tickling herself thru' her knickers' (this orange-faced bottle blond bit is sooo shitehoundy, they couldn't've picked a more unattractive lass if they'd tried, but they have this thing where they're 'brill', & everyone else is scum, & it follows thru'). This 'knickers' bit was on a 'proper' news item, very incongruous.


She (of c.5 2-way 'chats') msg'ed me on my page/channel, suddenly blabbing-on about how Raoul Moat was a really nice & funny bloke & how she'd liked him, to which I'd instantly given her a gob-full & blocked her. I'm certain that this was an 'N2'/ Narrative Networks-style set-up, part of the shitehounds 'palimpzest' of shite (I think they refer to this as 'mosaic', from a conglomerate of their references). I'm not sure whether this would be a part of 'self-justification' - because they themselves know it's shit, altho' part dependant on my reaction, but they had no reason to test me on this, other than their moral incontinence. I think it could play to the arse-end of the V-manner ladder whichever way it went, because they're not averse to simply making it up - to me at least - to me they lie thru' their teeth & they know it full well, it's all a part of the pisstake, it serves a psychological purpose. But overall, I'm sure it's a part of that 'othering' for wider consumption - "He used to chat on YT about Raoul Moat".
Thing is, not long before this, I'd 'phoned the cops about a theft in progress; when asked what my name was, I'd been joking-on with the lass at the end of '101' call, "Oh, no - there's no need for that - I don't need a reward, tah anyway". After the perps were lifted, I'd got a call from a copper asking for any more details for him to record; on descriptions we'd agreed that "well - they all look the same, crew-cuts & black shellsuits all 'round" >chortles<, tho' I was able to add a bit more. All very affable. This wasn't in the police (Northumbria) records that I'd got a copy of , tho' I can't remember if I'd given name/address, tho' it was over my landline, which I'm fairly sure they did have upon request of those records, at least. Thing is, I was just being a 'normal', 'reasonable' 'citizen', as is my upbringing & culture - no biggie - SOP. So it's very largely - hugely really, that for this & these reasons that the shitehounds can go take a flying shit & fuck riight-off. (Reeaaly oddly, refs last night started 'round 10:30pm, pretty much the first being to "[you] is wasting time", to which I replied "Look who's talking", an' I mean that - you lying bullshitting fraudulent mind-machine manipulative, cognitive drop-in shitehound scum really can fuck riight-off.


There's more than this; this whole thing really is the total set-up for effect, a kill-op from the off. Long before I was aware of it, I'd had the dream choreographies & a range of subliminal (and overt but unrecognised) 'cueing'. I'm sure I'll remember more as time goes-on, but that 'Boat5' gaming name, that - siren 15:08pm- SOP - alot to hide, sudden 'presentation' of itself in my brain; I distinctly remember soliloquising "where did that come from?", but I kinda liked 'Boat5'; it was when reading Olsens 'We Are Anonymous' that the boat>bot>robot computer 'clicked' it in my head, & this 'Boat5' was a full 5 to 6 months before the shitehounds got to work more overtly, in Aug2011. 'Robot Five', they must've had a chuckle at that, especially the lad in-game I'd recently started chatting with, no doubt at all in my mind that it was 'Ben', larfing.
I'm fairly sure that somewhere along the line, there must be a code or rules by which MI5 sets ppl up for torture-brainwash-indoctrination & murder, not forgetting the implantation of devices to turn them into remote hear-see-mind read-an'-feed 'drones' by way of terminal, involuntary, human experimentation, but on the other hand, like I've sussed long ago, a system like this breeds extremism on top of the existing psychopathology, and it's not like pseudo-ELF microwaves leave fingerprints. Thing is tho', that if they can do this to me, they can do it to any bugger, & I sodding well don't deserve this (no wonder the "I finally got you" from surely a skulking 'Ben' - "finally" - yeah, 'cos I'm 'pretty cool' as far as it goes, an' you're a bunch of bullshitters). Also, Mr. "Stow-it"'s mid/late2013 "I deal with people like you every day" to put me in my place, "No - you don't"; (Mr. Stow-it, who came thru' analogue Radio4 in c.late2012, talking to me, justifying hisself - "But I've been tortured here" - "Stow-it!" - Brit, mid.late age, surely ex-navy).


I drafted this early a.m. this moring; I went-back to reading; +2minutes, "barn" - immeditae 2x >clicks< right ear. That'll be from my recent post here on "How do you get the crows to fly into the barn?" presumably; this happens aaalll the time, hundreds to thousands of times /day (there's a new one they have, those mic auditory clicks, several of them in such rapid succession that they come across as a single 'click', or better, a 'crunch', like a footfall in snow). The "crow", they like this, it's ECM/ECCM operators (& 'ravens') and it's biohybrid 'drones' - it''l literally be crows, courtesy DARPA, but the "barn" thing; they conflate 'professionalism' - regards the referencing, with deranged psychopathy, as you'd expect a deranged psychopath to do - it's WHAT they do, hence, they get the gig an' the shits an' the kicks as they plunge head-first down their own Matrixbollocks rabbit holes. It must be some effort keeping them on the leash if not for "Psycho-nutter want a biscuit?" Heels.


Two years ago; "We've had too many people spending too long over this to let it drop now", followed alll the sodding time with "law", "justice" & "elected"... #Shitforbrains. I get refs to a post I've made here (DPF) just 20minutes earlier, like, it's 'clever', considering...


This was interesting - https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/342030-evolution-nature-human-brain/ artificial intelligence and some of the implications. They had a word for this, 'artilect'/s; I get loads of 'art' and their "elected" is quite possibly '-ilect', after all, it plays to their derangement and the biggodbluff technology, because the shitehounds have forgotten how to be human & are instead, at war with humanity.