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Peter Lemkin
06-29-2009, 04:49 PM
Just as in Chile, Iran, Iraq, Honduras, Guatemala, Haiti, Greece, Grenada, Panama, and about 40-50 other coup d'etat run by and for the USA...one will come to the USA in overt form soon. We've had several sub rosa [11/22/63; 9/11/01 and others], but an overt one (troops in your town - curfew - must turn in all arms - stop and search of everyone - arrest of all 'subversives' et al. is coming [soon!] I just wanted to post this now, as one will NOT be able to post it when it happens.......

I'd even say, I could see it happen in the last days of an Obama Admin. or the first days of the next.....

Ed Jewett
08-15-2009, 01:49 AM
Trops in my town? Ack...

Do you mean like these troops?

"The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post
Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S.
By Matthew Rothschild, August 12, 2009

The Pentagon has approached Congress to grant the Secretary of Defense the authority to post almost 400,000 military personnel throughout the United States in times of emergency or a major disaster....."

http://www.progressive.org/wx081209b.html

http://obbop.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/dangerous-troops.jpeg


Well, folks have been lobbying to bring the troops home for years now, and sometimes you end up sorry for getting what you wanted.

Myra Bronstein
08-15-2009, 07:22 PM
Just as in Chile, Iran, Iraq, Honduras, Guatemala, Haiti, Greece, Grenada, Panama, and about 40-50 other coup d'etat run by and for the USA...one will come to the USA in overt form soon. We've had several sub rosa [11/22/63; 9/11/01 and others], but an overt one (troops in your town - curfew - must turn in all arms - stop and search of everyone - arrest of all 'subversives' et al. is coming [soon!] I just wanted to post this now, as one will NOT be able to post it when it happens.......

I'd even say, I could see it happen in the last days of an Obama Admin. or the first days of the next.....

What would the corporate powers that be gain from an overt coup that they don't already have?

They've been in charge since November 22-1963, owned the media long before that, held sham elections for decades, successfully fooled a clueless docile populace into believing there is a healthy democracy with a two party system when in fact it's the same mob playing parts in a piece of performance art, collected taxes and given nothing (like health care) in return, distributed money from the poor to the rich to create an income disparity greater than the so-called gilded age of robber barons...

Why would they even bother?

Jack White
08-15-2009, 09:32 PM
I predict that an assassination is in the works. It will be
blamed on Islamic extremists as an expansion of war powers.

Jack :dong:

Peter Lemkin
08-16-2009, 05:08 AM
Just as in Chile, Iran, Iraq, Honduras, Guatemala, Haiti, Greece, Grenada, Panama, and about 40-50 other coup d'etat run by and for the USA...one will come to the USA in overt form soon. We've had several sub rosa [11/22/63; 9/11/01 and others], but an overt one (troops in your town - curfew - must turn in all arms - stop and search of everyone - arrest of all 'subversives' et al. is coming [soon!] I just wanted to post this now, as one will NOT be able to post it when it happens.......

I'd even say, I could see it happen in the last days of an Obama Admin. or the first days of the next.....

What would the corporate powers that be gain from an overt coup that they don't already have?

They've been in charge since November 22-1963, owned the media long before that, held sham elections for decades, successfully fooled a clueless docile populace into believing there is a healthy democracy with a two party system when in fact it's the same mob playing parts in a piece of performance art, collected taxes and given nothing (like health care) in return, distributed money from the poor to the rich to create an income disparity greater than the so-called gilded age of robber barons...

Why would they even bother?

Granted, they've got a 'great' racket going for themselves now....IMO they'd ONLY do it if and when the Public starts to protest/object/demand their country back and the PTB get out of the way (or into the jails). Then and probably only then. I didn't expand on the evidence, but briefly, the planning from Garden Plot to Rex 84 to the current building of new detention camps and militarization of police and permissions for Military to operate within USA as 'police' - all mandated by unPatriot Act and its ilk. They are spying on us, following us, listening to us, have a million of us on no-fly lists, have round-up lists in case of declaration of Martial Law and full-blown plans for Martial Law. Sure, they prefer their hidden (sic) system of control now, but if exposed and challenged, I believe they'd not back down and run, but declare Martial Law and bring the coup to a very visual level. Certain high-level corporate leaders have already been given come kind of card that both allows them through roadblocks etc. and allows them to act as posse for the police in time of Martial Law - an incredible act I think showing their hand and plans should things become unstable. The financial collapse has the greatest potential to cause this instability and questioning IMO. Add to that the MSM-free information now available on the internet and forums like this one - that connects the dots and paints the larger picture/historical context and background.

Ed Jewett
08-16-2009, 09:11 PM
they'd ONLY do it if and when the Public starts to protest/object/demand their country back and the PTB get out of the way (or into the jails). Then and probably only then. I didn't expand on the evidence, but briefly, the planning from Garden Plot to Rex 84 to the current building of new detention camps and militarization of police and permissions for Military to operate within USA as 'police' - all mandated by unPatriot Act and its ilk. They are spying on us, following us, listening to us, have a million of us on no-fly lists, have round-up lists in case of declaration of Martial Law and full-blown plans for Martial Law. Sure, they prefer their hidden (sic) system of control now, but if exposed and challenged, I believe they'd not back down and run, but declare Martial Law and bring the coup to a very visual level. Certain high-level corporate leaders have already been given come kind of card that both allows them through roadblocks etc. and allows them to act as posse for the police in time of Martial Law - an incredible act I think showing their hand and plans should things become unstable. The financial collapse has the greatest potential to cause this instability and questioning IMO. Add to that the MSM-free information now available on the internet and forums like this one - that connects the dots and paints the larger picture/historical context and background.


I agree and am familiar with the evidence.

I'd like further information or proof of this statement.

Your final two sentences are very much the reason why (along with the bubbling discontent over past issues, problems, etc. documented by the Internet).

I'd add these four quotes from Welcome to the Machine: a science, surveillance, and a culture of control, Jensen and Draffan, Chelsea Green 2004:

“The poor people are still poaching from the King's larder, and it's got to stop.”

“Our obsession with comfort makes us addicts to technology, and our attachment to security makes his servants of authority.” The Wisdom of Insecurity by Alan Watts.]

“Whether we're talking about dysfunctional abusive families or dysfunctional abusive cultures, social permits are never based (at least not for very long) exclusively on naked force (although force always underlies them).”

“As soon as we come to see if the edicts of those in power are no more than the edicts of those in power, that they carry no inherent moral or ethical weight, we become the free human beings we were born to be able, capable of saying yes and capable of saying no.”

And that is what they fear.

Peter Lemkin
08-17-2009, 04:38 AM
The FBI Deputizes Business
By Matthew Rothschild, March 2008 Issue

23,000 Businesspeople Get Threat Info from FBI Before Public. In Turn, They Supply Tips to FBI. Two Members of Private Sector Group Say They Have “Shoot to Kill” Permission in Emergency. These are the astonishing findings in Rothschild's cover story of the March issue of The Progressive.Today, more than 23,000 representatives of private industry are working quietly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The members of this rapidly growing group, called InfraGard, receive secret warnings of terrorist threats before the public does—and, at least on one occasion, before elected officials. In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU. But there may be more to it than that. One business executive, who showed me his InfraGard card, told me they have permission to “shoot to kill” in the event of martial law.

InfraGard is “a child of the FBI,” says Michael Hershman, the chairman of the advisory board of the InfraGard National Members Alliance and CEO of the Fairfax Group, an international consulting firm.

InfraGard started in Cleveland back in 1996, when the private sector there cooperated with the FBI to investigate cyber threats.

“Then the FBI cloned it,” says Phyllis Schneck, chairman of the board of directors of the InfraGard National Members Alliance, and the prime mover behind the growth of InfraGard over the last several years.

InfraGard itself is still an FBI operation, with FBI agents in each state overseeing the local InfraGard chapters. (There are now eighty-six of them.) The alliance is a nonprofit organization of private sector InfraGard members.

“We are the owners, operators, and experts of our critical infrastructure, from the CEO of a large company in agriculture or high finance to the guy who turns the valve at the water utility,” says Schneck, who by day is the vice president of research integration at Secure Computing.

“At its most basic level, InfraGard is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the private sector,” the InfraGard website states. “InfraGard chapters are geographically linked with FBI Field Office territories.”

In November 2001, InfraGard had around 1,700 members. As of late January, InfraGard had 23,682 members, according to its website, www.infragard.net, which adds that “350 of our nation’s Fortune 500 have a representative in InfraGard.”

To join, each person must be sponsored by “an existing InfraGard member, chapter, or partner organization.” The FBI then vets the applicant. On the application form, prospective members are asked which aspect of the critical infrastructure their organization deals with. These include: agriculture, banking and finance, the chemical industry, defense, energy, food, information and telecommunications, law enforcement, public health, and transportation.

FBI Director Robert Mueller addressed an InfraGard convention on August 9, 2005. At that time, the group had less than half as many members as it does today. “To date, there are more than 11,000 members of InfraGard,” he said. “From our perspective that amounts to 11,000 contacts . . . and 11,000 partners in our mission to protect America.” He added a little later, “Those of you in the private sector are the first line of defense.”

He urged InfraGard members to contact the FBI if they “note suspicious activity or an unusual event.” And he said they could sic the FBI on “disgruntled employees who will use knowledge gained on the job against their employers.”

In an interview with InfraGard after the conference, which is featured prominently on the InfraGard members’ website, Mueller says: “It’s a great program.”

The ACLU is not so sanguine.

“There is evidence that InfraGard may be closer to a corporate TIPS program, turning private-sector corporations—some of which may be in a position to observe the activities of millions of individual customers—into surrogate eyes and ears for the FBI,” the ACLU warned in its August 2004 report The Surveillance-Industrial Complex: How the American Government Is Conscripting Businesses and Individuals in the Construction of a Surveillance Society.

InfraGard is not readily accessible to the general public. Its communications with the FBI and Homeland Security are beyond the reach of the Freedom of Information Act under the “trade secrets” exemption, its website says. And any conversation with the public or the media is supposed to be carefully rehearsed.

“The interests of InfraGard must be protected whenever presented to non-InfraGard members,” the website states. “During interviews with members of the press, controlling the image of InfraGard being presented can be difficult. Proper preparation for the interview will minimize the risk of embarrassment. . . . The InfraGard leadership and the local FBI representative should review the submitted questions, agree on the predilection of the answers, and identify the appropriate interviewee. . . . Tailor answers to the expected audience. . . . Questions concerning sensitive information should be avoided.”

One of the advantages of InfraGard, according to its leading members, is that the FBI gives them a heads-up on a secure portal about any threatening information related to infrastructure disruption or terrorism.

The InfraGard website advertises this. In its list of benefits of joining InfraGard, it states: “Gain access to an FBI secure communication network complete with VPN encrypted website, webmail, listservs, message boards, and much more.”

InfraGard members receive “almost daily updates” on threats “emanating from both domestic sources and overseas,” Hershman says.

“We get very easy access to secure information that only goes to InfraGard members,” Schneck says. “People are happy to be in the know.”

On November 1, 2001, the FBI had information about a potential threat to the bridges of California. The alert went out to the InfraGard membership. Enron was notified, and so, too, was Barry Davis, who worked for Morgan Stanley. He notified his brother Gray, the governor of California.

“He said his brother talked to him before the FBI,” recalls Steve Maviglio, who was Davis’s press secretary at the time. “And the governor got a lot of grief for releasing the information. In his defense, he said, ‘I was on the phone with my brother, who is an investment banker. And if he knows, why shouldn’t the public know?’ ”

Maviglio still sounds perturbed about this: “You’d think an elected official would be the first to know, not the last.”

In return for being in the know, InfraGard members cooperate with the FBI and Homeland Security. “InfraGard members have contributed to about 100 FBI cases,” Schneck says. “What InfraGard brings you is reach into the regional and local communities. We are a 22,000-member vetted body of subject-matter experts that reaches across seventeen matrixes. All the different stovepipes can connect with InfraGard.”

Schneck is proud of the relationships the InfraGard Members Alliance has built with the FBI. “If you had to call 1-800-FBI, you probably wouldn’t bother,” she says. “But if you knew Joe from a local meeting you had with him over a donut, you might call them. Either to give or to get. We want everyone to have a little black book.”

This black book may come in handy in times of an emergency. “On the back of each membership card,” Schneck says, “we have all the numbers you’d need: for Homeland Security, for the FBI, for the cyber center. And by calling up as an InfraGard member, you will be listened to.” She also says that members would have an easier time obtaining a “special telecommunications card that will enable your call to go through when others will not.”

This special status concerns the ACLU.

“The FBI should not be creating a privileged class of Americans who get special treatment,” says Jay Stanley, public education director of the ACLU’s technology and liberty program. “There’s no ‘business class’ in law enforcement. If there’s information the FBI can share with 22,000 corporate bigwigs, why don’t they just share it with the public? That’s who their real ‘special relationship’ is supposed to be with. Secrecy is not a party favor to be given out to friends. . . . This bears a disturbing resemblance to the FBI’s handing out ‘goodies’ to corporations in return for folding them into its domestic surveillance machinery.”

When the government raises its alert levels, InfraGard is in the loop. For instance, in a press release on February 7, 2003, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Attorney General announced that the national alert level was being raised from yellow to orange. They then listed “additional steps” that agencies were taking to “increase their protective measures.” One of those steps was to “provide alert information to InfraGard program.”

“They’re very much looped into our readiness capability,” says Amy Kudwa, spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security. “We provide speakers, as well as do joint presentations [with the FBI]. We also train alongside them, and they have participated in readiness exercises.”

On May 9, 2007, George Bush issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 entitled “National Continuity Policy.” In it, he instructed the Secretary of Homeland Security to coordinate with “private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to provide for the delivery of essential services during an emergency.”

Asked if the InfraGard National Members Alliance was involved with these plans, Schneck said it was “not directly participating at this point.” Hershman, chairman of the group’s advisory board, however, said that it was.

InfraGard members, sometimes hundreds at a time, have been used in “national emergency preparation drills,” Schneck acknowledges.

“In case something happens, everybody is ready,” says Norm Arendt, the head of the Madison, Wisconsin, chapter of InfraGard, and the safety director for the consulting firm Short Elliott Hendrickson, Inc. “There’s been lots of discussions about what happens under an emergency.”

One business owner in the United States tells me that InfraGard members are being advised on how to prepare for a martial law situation—and what their role might be. He showed me his InfraGard card, with his name and e-mail address on the front, along with the InfraGard logo and its slogan, “Partnership for Protection.” On the back of the card were the emergency numbers that Schneck mentioned.

This business owner says he attended a small InfraGard meeting where agents of the FBI and Homeland Security discussed in astonishing detail what InfraGard members may be called upon to do.

“The meeting started off innocuously enough, with the speakers talking about corporate espionage,” he says. “From there, it just progressed. All of a sudden we were knee deep in what was expected of us when martial law is declared. We were expected to share all our resources, but in return we’d be given specific benefits.” These included, he says, the ability to travel in restricted areas and to get people out.
But that’s not all.

“Then they said when—not if—martial law is declared, it was our responsibility to protect our portion of the infrastructure, and if we had to use deadly force to protect it, we couldn’t be prosecuted,” he says.

I was able to confirm that the meeting took place where he said it had, and that the FBI and Homeland Security did make presentations there. One InfraGard member who attended that meeting denies that the subject of lethal force came up. But the whistleblower is 100 percent certain of it. “I have nothing to gain by telling you this, and everything to lose,” he adds. “I’m so nervous about this, and I’m not someone who gets nervous.”

Though Schneck says that FBI and Homeland Security agents do make presentations to InfraGard, she denies that InfraGard members would have any civil patrol or law enforcement functions. “I have never heard of InfraGard members being told to use lethal force anywhere,” Schneck says.

The FBI adamantly denies it, also. “That’s ridiculous,” says Catherine Milhoan, an FBI spokesperson. “If you want to quote a businessperson saying that, knock yourself out. If that’s what you want to print, fine.”

But one other InfraGard member corroborated the whistleblower’s account, and another would not deny it.

Christine Moerke is a business continuity consultant for Alliant Energy in Madison, Wisconsin. She says she’s an InfraGard member, and she confirms that she has attended InfraGard meetings that went into the details about what kind of civil patrol function—including engaging in lethal force—that InfraGard members may be called upon to perform.

“There have been discussions like that, that I’ve heard of and participated in,” she says.

Curt Haugen is CEO of S’Curo Group, a company that does “strategic planning, business continuity planning and disaster recovery, physical and IT security, policy development, internal control, personnel selection, and travel safety,” according to its website. Haugen tells me he is a former FBI agent and that he has been an InfraGard member for many years. He is a huge booster. “It’s the only true organization where there is the public-private partnership,” he says. “It’s all who knows who. You know a face, you trust a face. That’s what makes it work.”

He says InfraGard “absolutely” does emergency preparedness exercises. When I ask about discussions the FBI and Homeland Security have had with InfraGard members about their use of lethal force, he says: “That much I cannot comment on. But as a private citizen, you have the right to use force if you feel threatened.”

“We were assured that if we were forced to kill someone to protect our infrastructure, there would be no repercussions,” the whistleblower says. “It gave me goose bumps. It chilled me to the bone.”

Matthew Rothschild is the editor of The Progressive magazine and the author of "You Have No Rights: Stories of America in an Age of Repression." This article, "The FBI Deputizes Business," is the cover story of the March issue of The Progressive.

Myra Bronstein
08-18-2009, 02:17 AM
Just as in Chile, Iran, Iraq, Honduras, Guatemala, Haiti, Greece, Grenada, Panama, and about 40-50 other coup d'etat run by and for the USA...one will come to the USA in overt form soon. We've had several sub rosa [11/22/63; 9/11/01 and others], but an overt one (troops in your town - curfew - must turn in all arms - stop and search of everyone - arrest of all 'subversives' et al. is coming [soon!] I just wanted to post this now, as one will NOT be able to post it when it happens.......

I'd even say, I could see it happen in the last days of an Obama Admin. or the first days of the next.....

What would the corporate powers that be gain from an overt coup that they don't already have?

They've been in charge since November 22-1963, owned the media long before that, held sham elections for decades, successfully fooled a clueless docile populace into believing there is a healthy democracy with a two party system when in fact it's the same mob playing parts in a piece of performance art, collected taxes and given nothing (like health care) in return, distributed money from the poor to the rich to create an income disparity greater than the so-called gilded age of robber barons...

Why would they even bother?

Granted, they've got a 'great' racket going for themselves now....IMO they'd ONLY do it if and when the Public starts to protest/object/demand their country back and the PTB get out of the way (or into the jails). Then and probably only then. I didn't expand on the evidence, but briefly, the planning from Garden Plot to Rex 84 to the current building of new detention camps and militarization of police and permissions for Military to operate within USA as 'police' - all mandated by unPatriot Act and its ilk. They are spying on us, following us, listening to us, have a million of us on no-fly lists, have round-up lists in case of declaration of Martial Law and full-blown plans for Martial Law. Sure, they prefer their hidden (sic) system of control now, but if exposed and challenged, I believe they'd not back down and run, but declare Martial Law and bring the coup to a very visual level. Certain high-level corporate leaders have already been given come kind of card that both allows them through roadblocks etc. and allows them to act as posse for the police in time of Martial Law - an incredible act I think showing their hand and plans should things become unstable. The financial collapse has the greatest potential to cause this instability and questioning IMO. Add to that the MSM-free information now available on the internet and forums like this one - that connects the dots and paints the larger picture/historical context and background.

That's a good point. The internet has the potential to make many people aware of the truth. Not that I'm optimistic about the capacity of Americans for the truth. They tend to recoil, well conditioned to deflect it.

Paul Rigby
09-01-2009, 08:15 PM
Not that I'm optimistic about the capacity of Americans for the truth. They tend to recoil, well conditioned to deflect it.

“It was an entire nation of wearied spectators who had long ago given up all interference in their own fate, and knew not what catastrophe they were to hope or fear,”

Guizot (on France before the abdication of Napoleon I)

Apologies if this offends US readers, but this is my strong sense of America today.

Myra Bronstein
09-01-2009, 08:47 PM
Not that I'm optimistic about the capacity of Americans for the truth. They tend to recoil, well conditioned to deflect it.

“It was an entire nation of wearied spectators who had long ago given up all interference in their own fate, and knew not what catastrophe they were to hope or fear,”

Guizot (on France before the abdication of Napoleon I)

Apologies if this offends US readers, but this is my strong sense of America today.

Based on my insider status I have to say that too many Americans decide what to believe based on how information makes them feel. That's backassward. Ideally people will decide what's true, then they will react emotionally to the truth. Americans have emotional fact filters.

It's most distressing for me. It's, no doubt, most advantageous for the powers that be.

Ed Jewett
09-01-2009, 09:28 PM
By the way, Peter, thanks for the InfraGard info. I was not aware of it, and it indeed is chilling, especially given other factors and events. In the near future, there is the G-20 meeting Sept. 25 and 26 in Pittsburgh, PA (USA) as described in these two articles:

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/free-speech-in-pittsburgh-a-test/

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090831_hedges_pittsburgh_g20_defiance/

Some people have just been put on notice that they are targets when what they thought they might have been engaged in is some form of what Dave Pollard recently called "creative activism" http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2009/08/27.html#a2433. (http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2009/08/27.html#a2433)

What, he argues, "we must do, as individuals, and as members of communities and organizations, is to become more adaptive and improvisational, because the important challenges we will face in this century do not lend themselves to political or economic or planned solutions, and they will introduce permanent shifts, not the temporary and cyclical ones we've been accustomed to."

"How do we, as activists, creatively and humanely obstruct, disrupt, sabotage and stop these and other organizations that are killing us and ruining our world, now?"

Peter Lemkin
09-02-2009, 06:28 AM
InfraGuard, HS, FBI ~ SA
Blackwater/Xe etc., CIA ~ SS

Yes, How do we?.....and fast!
Now with a private army - with tests being given to soldiers to identify those that would be willing to shoot fellow Americans inside the country in time of National Emergency, one wonders who one can trust, but ourselves.....

Ed Jewett
09-02-2009, 07:54 AM
"tests being given to soldiers to identify those that would be willing to shoot fellow Americans inside the country in time of National Emergency"

Oh?!

Many have responded to the theorization of martial law by saying no Americans would ever fire on their contrymen -- despite numerous examples -- so I'm curious as to what types of tests, administered by whom, where, and the source of that idea ... but then I am also cognizant of the Stanford experiments et al ... and My Lai .. and the civil rights stuff .. and Patton's work in DC .. and the mining labor violence... so I don't disbelieve the concept, or you, but I want that reference to use in the debates.

Peter Lemkin
09-02-2009, 10:05 AM
"tests being given to soldiers to identify those that would be willing to shoot fellow Americans inside the country in time of National Emergency"

Oh?!

Many have responded to the theorization of martial law by saying no Americans would ever fire on their contrymen -- despite numerous examples -- so I'm curious as to what types of tests, administered by whom, where, and the source of that idea ... but then I am also cognizant of the Stanford experiments et al ... and My Lai .. and the civil rights stuff .. and Patton's work in DC .. and the mining labor violence... so I don't disbelieve the concept, or you, but I want that reference to use in the debates.

No, there are elite and secret [as to which] have been identified [and trained - desensitized] to follow orders to shoot, arrest, beat, mace, laser/maser/etc.-blast fellow citizens.

U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens
Iraq vet exposes how he was trained to round up Americans in martial law exercise, asked if he would kill his own friends and family


Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, February 4th, 2008


U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

We received an e mail from "Scott", a member of a pipefitters union that runs an apprenticeship program called Helmets To Hard Hats, which according to its website, "Is a national program that connects National Guard, Reserve and transitioning active-duty military members with quality career training and employment opportunities within the construction industry."

Scott writes that his company hired a soldier who had recently returned from Iraq, who told him that U.S. troops were being quizzed on whether or not they would be prepared to shoot their own friends and family members during a national state of emergency in America.


"I have become very close to this young man and have gained his respect and trust," writes Scott. "I want you to know that he informed me about one particular training exercise his superiors made them perform. It was concerning the rounding up of American citizens that disobey any type of martial law or in other words any type of infringement on our freedoms."

"He was asked if he could shoot his friends or family members if ordered to do so. At the time he said he could," writes Scott.

Scott says that the soldier later "had time to clear his head" and realize the truth, recanting his vow to kill his own countrymen if ordered to do so.

The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round-up, disarm and if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of martial law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for at least 15 years.

Its known origins can be traced back to an October 1994 Marine questionnaire out of the Twentynine Palms Marine Base in California. Recruits were asked 46 questions, including whether they would kill U.S. citizens who refused to surrender their firearms.

Documentary film maker Alex Jones brought to light similar training programs that were taking place across the country in the late 90's which revolved around U.S. Marines being trained to arrest American citizens and take them to internment camps.

During one such program in Oakland California, dubbed "Operation Urban Warrior," Marines refused to answer if they would target American citizens for gun confiscation if ordered to do so.



During hurricane Katrina, National Guard units were ordered to confiscate guns belonging to New Orleans residents.

As we first exposed in May 2006, Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government and FEMA to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.

Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

Many scoffed at our original story, which was based on the testimony of a whistleblower who was asked to participate in the program. Claims that the story was a conspiracy theory soon evaporated when a mainstream KSLA news report confirmed the existence of the program.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/february2008/020408_shoot_americans.htm