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Jack White
07-28-2009, 03:43 AM
Unidentified?

I just grabbed these video frames and analyzed them.

Jack

Peter Lemkin
07-28-2009, 05:37 AM
Looks like a blurry helicopter to me in top image. There was a police helicopter flying around at the time, I believe. Bottom image stranger, but might be the same or retouched.

Steve Franklin
09-29-2009, 10:37 PM
It's obviously swamp gas, a la J. Allen Hynek. ;-)

Bernice Moore
09-30-2009, 03:10 AM
no matter what Peter, they will say such as flying debris...b

Steve Franklin
10-23-2009, 10:19 PM
no matter what Peter, they will say such as flying debris...b

Actually, the first photo bears a peculiar similarity to the George Adamski "chicken brooder" photographs. The three balls underneath are particularly interesting.

Jack White
10-24-2009, 12:11 AM
no matter what Peter, they will say such as flying debris...b

Actually, the first photo bears a peculiar similarity to the George Adamski "chicken brooder" photographs. The three balls underneath are particularly interesting.

Look again. There are FIVE balls around the rim.

Jack

Jack White
10-24-2009, 12:33 AM
Here is a closer view.

Jack

Jack White
10-24-2009, 12:49 AM
There was an error in the text of the previous image.
The tower at the edge of the image is the NORTH tower, not south.

Jack

David Guyatt
10-24-2009, 07:52 AM
no matter what Peter, they will say such as flying debris...b

Actually, the first photo bears a peculiar similarity to the George Adamski "chicken brooder" photographs. The three balls underneath are particularly interesting.

Perhaps Adamski's Nordic-alien-cum-Venusian Space Brother, Orthon, returned to save us from certain destruction? I wonder if he is the same snappy dresser he always was and is still wearing the same "reddish-brown shoes" and trousers "not like mine" (i.e. Adamski's)?

Bless George Adamski I say. The world needs more harmless fools and their mocked-up photos of streetlights and far less Dick Cheneys.

Peter Lemkin
10-24-2009, 07:56 AM
Not many birds with lights. While round craft do exist, they are used out of sight - not in plain sight. I presume this is a helicopter or a piece of something flying from one of the towers due to the impact....but then how to explain the lights. Helicopter seems most likely to me.

Steve Franklin
10-24-2009, 12:18 PM
no matter what Peter, they will say such as flying debris...b

Actually, the first photo bears a peculiar similarity to the George Adamski "chicken brooder" photographs. The three balls underneath are particularly interesting.

Look again. There are FIVE balls around the rim.

Jack

Actually, at first, I thought there were five balls, But then I looked again. At least one of the balls appears to be a reflection from the rim, and four asymmetric balls don't make a lot of sense. The relevant photos are between pp 112 & 113 of Leslie and Adamski's Flying Saucers Have Landed and can be seen online by simply typing "Adamski" into Google Images.

The real question is how something that long ago was written off as a hoax manages to show up in images of the WTC. I can see two possibilities. 1) Adamski was for real and these are the same kind of craft (future historians checking out what really happened?) that he photographed. 2) The WTC photos themselves have been hoaxed.

You may want to take a look at the Haunabu page (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ufo_aleman/esp_ufoaleman_3.htm). These are images of a series of purported German WWII experimental craft. The resemblance to the Adamski saucer is striking.

David Guyatt
10-24-2009, 02:03 PM
In answer to your question: Adamski wasn't real. It is a well known hoax.

From which the obvious conclusion can be drawn about UFO's and 911, I think.

Charles Drago
10-24-2009, 03:22 PM
In answer to your question: Adamski wasn't real. It is a well known hoax.

From which the obvious conclusion can be drawn about UFO's and 911, I think.

Adamski as hoax? Yes.

Majority of "saucers" and other UFOs explainable as very human technology with connections to Nazi-sponsored projects? Yes.

UFO phenomena as central components in multiple intelligence operations including mind control and propaganda efforts? Yes.

Strong likelihood that the 9-11 UFO is best understood as an intel op? Yes.

Conclusion valid that all otherwise unexplained UFO phenomena are attributable to human activity? No.

Jack White
10-24-2009, 04:21 PM
I did not present this as a UFO.

I presented it as an UNIDENTIFIED flying object.

It deserves serious consideration regarding what it may be.
It is a very fast moving DISK with five lights around the rim.

It appears to be something real. It is not flying debris nor a
helicopter.

Making humor and ridicule out of it is a disinformation technique.

Jack

Charles Drago
10-24-2009, 04:30 PM
Jack,

No humor or ridicule from me, my friend.

Simply an opinion.

Charles

Bernice Moore
10-24-2009, 08:40 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Adamski









adamski www.echoesofenoch.com/ museum%2012historyUFOs.htm (http://www.echoesofenoch.com/museum%2012historyUFOs.htm)

CHANEY'S NAME WAS MENTIONED NOW THAT IS SCARY.......:vroam:B..

Steve Franklin
10-24-2009, 11:29 PM
In answer to your question: Adamski wasn't real. It is a well known hoax.

From which the obvious conclusion can be drawn about UFO's and 911, I think.

Keep in mind that it was "well known" during the Middle Ages that the world was flat. What is well known is commonly whatever nonsense is generally accepted by specialist communities whose average IQ is not much higher than the general population. These are mainly characters who have sat in a classroom and copied whatever nonsense the professor has written on the blackboard, most of which is "well known."

As for whether this thing was presented as a UFO or not, it is shown immediately next to a classic photo of a saucer. I would be interested in knowing where the photo in question came from--what was its chain of possession?

Jack White
10-25-2009, 04:20 AM
In answer to your question: Adamski wasn't real. It is a well known hoax.

From which the obvious conclusion can be drawn about UFO's and 911, I think.

Keep in mind that it was "well known" during the Middle Ages that the world was flat. What is well known is commonly whatever nonsense is generally accepted by specialist communities whose average IQ is not much higher than the general population. These are mainly characters who have sat in a classroom and copied whatever nonsense the professor has written on the blackboard, most of which is "well known."

As for whether this thing was presented as a UFO or not, it is shown immediately next to a classic photo of a saucer. I would be interested in knowing where the photo in question came from--what was its chain of possession?

It is one of the best known videos of the south tower event. I do not
remember the name of it but it is the one showing the "nose out" event.
I do not know the provenance.

Jack

Peter Lemkin
10-25-2009, 05:46 AM
Jack, I quite agree it is worthy of full exploration. Most things on 9-11 are...as the official version is a cartload of horse****! I believe the planners counted on what Hitler called the 'Big Lie' effect - that most people are more apt to believe a BIG lie than a small one - incapable of believing something HUGE could be purposely constructed as a deception. Dallas was pretty major when one knows where to look - but 911 was really HUGE; so huge most just can't wrap their minds around it being a purposeful false-flag deception [but strangely they can imagine 19+ angry men pulling it off - and anyway the authorities said it was so...so it is so for many; and easier to 'swallow'].

David Guyatt
10-25-2009, 09:58 AM
[quote]Keep in mind that it was "well known" during the Middle Ages that the world was flat. What is well known is commonly whatever nonsense is generally accepted by specialist communities whose average IQ is not much higher than the general population. These are mainly characters who have sat in a classroom and copied whatever nonsense the professor has written on the blackboard, most of which is "well known."

Well, I suppose I can reply by saying that I wasn't around in the middle ages and, for me, the world has always been round. The fundamental choke on knowledge you speak of however, was managed - under penalty of torture and death - by the movers and shakers running the Catholic Church, who hindered every forward advance in knowledge in order to keep their power franchise ticking along. But this period also produced some of the greatest thinkers of history who managed a great leap forward in the understanding of mankind and progressed civilization forward, despite these dangerous restrictions.

But back to the point. I don't know about you Steve, but I was around in the days of George Adamski, was actively involved in investigating the UFO phenomenon for the highly respected Tuscon based APRO, edited a UK UFO magazine for awhile, and personally knew most of the movers and shakers in the UK - and elsewhere too. Adamski was a fake. And a highly obvious one.

As for whether this thing was presented as a UFO or not, it is shown immediately next to a classic photo of a saucer. I would be interested in knowing where the photo in question came from--what was its chain of possession?

Which is rather the point I'm trying to make. Before jumping to conclusions it is wiser to thoroughly investigate what the "object" was. On the net, this particular "sighting" is being upped by many in the UFO community as a UFO.

I feel rather strongly that this should be actively combatted (at this stage anyway), if only because I smell a distant whiff of psyops in action. I cannot help but wonder if this is a designedly deflective activity. The pressure building about US/Israeli complicity in 911 is increasing by the day. The media can, if they wish to, use this UFO story to further discredit genuine and continuing investigation into the deep events of 911 and this will consequently have a considerable impact amongst the great unwashed public.

Charles Drago
10-25-2009, 01:09 PM
I feel rather strongly that this should be actively combatted (at this stage anyway), if only because I smell a distant whiff of psyops in action. I cannot help but wonder if this is a designedly deflective activity. The pressure building about US/Israeli complicity in 911 is increasing by the day. The media can, if they wish to, use this UFO story to further discredit genuine and continuing investigation into the deep events of 911 and this will consequently have a considerable impact amongst the great unwashed public.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Precisely.

Think the Marilyn Monroe/UFO business (JFK assassination) and Jackie Gleason/Nixon/UFO "visit" (Watergate) to understand how this phenomenon is utilized to distract and and ultimately demonize.

Count on the fact that UFOs at the WTC on 9-11, like the "space beams" hypotheses, will be cited by the MSM and their masters as evidence of nothing other than "truther" lunacy from now until the next major flexing of deep political muscle.

Those who do not learn from history ...

Jack White
10-26-2009, 01:22 AM
I feel rather strongly that this should be actively combatted (at this stage anyway), if only because I smell a distant whiff of psyops in action. I cannot help but wonder if this is a designedly deflective activity. The pressure building about US/Israeli complicity in 911 is increasing by the day. The media can, if they wish to, use this UFO story to further discredit genuine and continuing investigation into the deep events of 911 and this will consequently have a considerable impact amongst the great unwashed public.[/COLOR]

Precisely.

Think the Marilyn Monroe/UFO business (JFK assassination) and Jackie Gleason/Nixon/UFO "visit" (Watergate) to understand how this phenomenon is utilized to distract and and ultimately demonize.

Count on the fact that UFOs at the WTC on 9-11, like the "space beams" hypotheses, will be cited by the MSM and their masters as evidence of nothing other than "truther" lunacy from now until the next major flexing of deep political muscle.

Those who do not learn from history ...[/QUOTE]

I disagree. As a psyop it would have been MORE OBVIOUS. It
took 8 years before I noticed it. Everyone thought it was a bird.
A psyop would have been more like a man with an umbrella
pumping it up and down. A blurry streak seems unlikely.

Jack

Steve Franklin
10-26-2009, 10:19 AM
I feel rather strongly that this should be actively combatted (at this stage anyway), if only because I smell a distant whiff of psyops in action. I cannot help but wonder if this is a designedly deflective activity. The pressure building about US/Israeli complicity in 911 is increasing by the day. The media can, if they wish to, use this UFO story to further discredit genuine and continuing investigation into the deep events of 911 and this will consequently have a considerable impact amongst the great unwashed public.[/COLOR]

Precisely.

Think the Marilyn Monroe/UFO business (JFK assassination) and Jackie Gleason/Nixon/UFO "visit" (Watergate) to understand how this phenomenon is utilized to distract and and ultimately demonize.

Count on the fact that UFOs at the WTC on 9-11, like the "space beams" hypotheses, will be cited by the MSM and their masters as evidence of nothing other than "truther" lunacy from now until the next major flexing of deep political muscle.

Those who do not learn from history ...[/QUOTE]

This really doesn't do much to answer the question, What is in the photographs? Are we really to avoid investigating certain avenues because the established "church" thinks it's silly?

Charles Drago
10-26-2009, 12:38 PM
This really doesn't do much to answer the question, What is in the photographs? Are we really to avoid investigating certain avenues because the established "church" thinks it's silly?

This response tells us more about your inability to recognize answers than my ability to provide them.

You do, however, seem skilled in perceiving phantasms.

"Church"???

Someone is suggesting that you "avoid investigating certain avenues"???

Your deep political vision is, at best, myopic. But by all means continue to share what it reveals.

David Guyatt
10-26-2009, 02:19 PM
The timing issue can be completely explained (as I did earlier) by the current head of steam building up against those responsible for aiding/allowing 911 to take place and then subsequently covering it up.

Indeed, that explanation is most likely imo. I repeat, imo.

***

Feel free to investigate away. Please. But be aware that unsubstantiated claims will receive objective criticism for the reasons already cited.

Speaking personally I would prefer you to investigate all matters in detail and then present the evidence rather than indulge in name calling.

On this forum we have a policy whereby we agree to disagree in a civilized way - and do not sling names at each other. However, if you feel compelled to do this we can direct you to other forums that specifically cater to this proclivity.

David

Jack White
10-26-2009, 10:51 PM
All this is irrelevant to identifying what the object is
in the frames of the video. I do not know nor even
guess what it may be. It may be a sophisticated military
UAV. Its size is rather small, but it IS disk shaped with
five lights around the rim. It is some kind of object
flying thru the air. It is unidentified. Instead of dismissing
it, it should be investigated.

Jack

Ed Jewett
10-26-2009, 11:41 PM
A couple of random thoughts:

There's been a long history of black technologies in the US toolkit. Putting out the word that your side has one has been a trick of military deception for millennia. Using something of that nature, whether real or not, as a secondary psy-op tool, becomes useful.

Some of those technologies have come out of Area 51 and whatever the US has gleaned, from whatever source, about high-speed flight, 'stealth' flight, composite materials, etc., it is suggested that it comes in part from its hidden files about aliens from some distant star system. All of this in Paragraph #2 also fuels what is in Paragraph #1.

It has been suggested -- in re: 9/11 -- that keeping people's attention on what is up there prevents them from focusing on what is down there. This also goes toward Paragraphs #2 and #1.

Speculation (absent fact and strict examination) doesn't get us anywhere.
Keep things factual and evidence-based.

We have seen many examples where "the pool of available information and evidence" has been poisoned or polluted.

Let whatever analysis is ongoing continue within some simple sense of priority or specialty for it.

Some extensive system of taxonomy and Learning Environment Organizer or concept map can bring us back to the question accurately and coherently when and if necessary.