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Paul Rigby
09-20-2009, 09:43 AM
Source to follow:


Montana, the pusposeful mis-matching of similar names is how the 2000 presidential election was fixed in Florida. this method was used to exclude thousands of black voters. The fixers took names of some blacks and accidently/purposely confused the mames with other blacks with criminal records from other sates as a means to exclude legit black voters from voting. This methos served an additional purpose. It makes the exclusion of legit black voters look like a honest "accident" or a "computer glitch" thus providing plausible deniability to investigators. The entite Florida election fraud was outlined in Greg Palast's documentary, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy".

Proof of voter fraud in the USA - from the horse's mouth
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/apr2001/flor-a09.shtml

Florida's legacy of voter disenfranchisement
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/apr2001/flor-a09.shtml

Paul Rigby
09-20-2009, 09:50 AM
Source to follow:

[QUOTE]Montana, the pusposeful mis-matching of similar names is how the 2000 presidential election was fixed in Florida. this method was used to exclude thousands of black voters. The fixers took names of some blacks and accidently/purposely confused the mames with other blacks with criminal records from other sates as a means to exclude legit black voters from voting. This methos served an additional purpose. It makes the exclusion of legit black voters look like a honest "accident" or a "computer glitch" thus providing plausible deniability to investigators. The entite Florida election fraud was outlined in Greg Palast's documentary, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy".

Source for the above:

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=4569&st=60

Once the basic principles of the 2000 electoral roll fraud are understood, one sees immediately how easy it was to replicate & transfer the process to the next great plot:

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=7174

Peter Presland
09-20-2009, 06:20 PM
Source for the above:

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=4569&st=60

Once the basic principles of the 2000 electoral roll fraud are understood, one sees immediately how easy it was to replicate & transfer the process to the next great plot:

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=7174
Blimey Paul

No sooner to I claw my way out of one labyrinthine rabbit hole - scratching my head and wondering if I'm dreaming the stuff - than you send me down another one!

The general thesis underlying the 'September Clues' (http://www.septemberclues.info/) site referenced in the above threads - that of video and photo fakery - leads to conclusions that are so 'far out' as to render them ridiculous at first blush; But then so did any dissent from the official narrative of 9/11 just a few short years ago.

There really is some VERY thought-provoking stuff there, and that from geeks in their mid-twenties.

Ed Jewett
09-20-2009, 07:18 PM
I'll have to find some time [please ship to me any excess you have which you can donate] to explore this in detail, but there are several things that jump to mind immediately... voice-morphing technology, already described and alleged used in this event ... video-morphing, alleged, made fun of, used by those who wish to derail research as part of the 'conspiracy theory' name-calling game ... the old rabbit hole of PROmis and other software with its 'back-door' capabilities, self-masking, amd hyper-speeds ... Todd's connection to Oracle ... and that famous quote from Susskind's book about creating reality faster than we can get to study it.

Paul Rigby
09-20-2009, 08:02 PM
Blimey Paul

No sooner to I claw my way out of one labyrinthine rabbit hole - scratching my head and wondering if I'm dreaming the stuff - than you send me down another one!

The general thesis underlying the 'September Clues' (http://www.septemberclues.info/) site referenced in the above threads - that of video and photo fakery - leads to conclusions that are so 'far out' as to render them ridiculous at first blush; But then so did any dissent from the official narrative of 9/11 just a few short years ago.

There really is some VERY thought-provoking stuff there, and that from geeks in their mid-twenties.

I know exactly what you mean, Pete, for I, too, feel uncomfortable with the notion of fake victims etc. But a couple of things to bear in mind.

First, the use of a prepared film to sell a wholly inaccurate version of a major covert op is nothing new - see the Z-fraud, most notably, but by no means exclusively.

Second, given what we have long known about the basic absurdities of the OCT - everything from the utter implausibilty of four, yes, four, successful cabin entries without despatch of the simple emergency signal by any of the pilots, to the preposterously contradictory nature of the alleged in-flight phone calls - we must question everything.

And from some of what I've seen from the Young Turks at one particular 9/11forum, the case for prepared film and fake casualties is overwhelming. I should add that my strong suspicion is that some of the info surfacing is from within the belly of the beast itself.

Charles Drago
09-21-2009, 02:10 PM
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Peter Lemkin
09-21-2009, 03:42 PM
I'd suggest caution in the extreme in this new 'story' of 9-11. While it is true that faces can be morphed, and names of dead used or new names invented - it is all standard covert op practice to do these things...it begs sanity to believe that the families of those who lost loved ones are faking it all to. I am inclined to think the hijackers may not have been on the flights - or persons different from those named - and never in control of the planes....but to say no one was killed is something on which I urge caution and skeptical thinking....at this point. IMHO

Paul Rigby
09-21-2009, 05:44 PM
I'd suggest caution in the extreme in this new 'story' of 9-11. While it is true that faces can be morphed, and names of dead used or new names invented - it is all standard covert op practice to do these things...it begs sanity to believe that the families of those who lost loved ones are faking it all to. I am inclined to think the hijackers may not have been on the flights - or persons different from those named - and never in control of the planes....but to say no one was killed is something on which I urge caution and skeptical thinking....at this point. IMHO

Sage words, and, just for the record, I don't believe for a minute that there were no fatalities on 9/11, or that all the victims' relatives are in on the plot. No, that's not what I believe at all.

I do, however, think a deep political sub-structure, one not a million miles away from the neo-con axis, is being partially peeled back. It is a commonplace spook world at one level - one of multiple, portable identities, interchangeable properties, interlinking businesses ("functioning fronts," for want of less elegant description) and so on and so forth. What takes us aback is its scale.

Carsten Wiethoff
09-21-2009, 08:56 PM
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There were suspicions before that some of the victims, especially on Flight 77, did not actually exist, and that there were strange age patterns and some coincidences with recently died elderly persons from care institutions, and it is well known that the death index entries were more incomplete than usual.

STILL THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that there were dead people. John O'Neill, for one. Or the husband of Ellen Mariani. This stuff was not faked.
But then, how do I know? But I am certain, that thousands of people in the towers did not come home that day. But, how do I know?
I cannot prove it.

Are there any, ANY official FBI records FOIAed out of the FBI mentioning just ONE name of a victim? Are there? Please tell me there are. Please!!!

Carsten

Paul Rigby
09-21-2009, 09:59 PM
There were suspicions before that some of the victims, especially on Flight 77, did not actually exist, and that there were strange age patterns and some coincidences with recently died elderly persons from care institutions, and it is well known that the death index entries were more incomplete than usual.

STILL THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that there were dead people. John O'Neill, for one. Or the husband of Ellen Mariani. This stuff was not faked.
But then, how do I know? But I am certain, that thousands of people in the towers did not come home that day. But, how do I know?
I cannot prove it.

Are there any, ANY official FBI records FOIAed out of the FBI mentioning just ONE name of a victim? Are there? Please tell me there are. Please!!!

Carsten

"Among the dead are those who still have to be killed,"

Ferdinand Desnoyers, journalist, in 1858 article:The Oxford Book of Aphorisms, edited by John Gross, p.322.

Jack White
09-22-2009, 12:26 AM
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There were suspicions before that some of the victims, especially on Flight 77, did not actually exist, and that there were strange age patterns and some coincidences with recently died elderly persons from care institutions, and it is well known that the death index entries were more incomplete than usual.

STILL THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that there were dead people. John O'Neill, for one. Or the husband of Ellen Mariani. This stuff was not faked.
But then, how do I know? But I am certain, that thousands of people in the towers did not come home that day. But, how do I know?
I cannot prove it.

Are there any, ANY official FBI records FOIAed out of the FBI mentioning just ONE name of a victim? Are there? Please tell me there are. Please!!!

Carsten

There were people presumed to be killed. The question is WHERE?

Jack

Jack White
09-22-2009, 01:39 AM
This thread is being monitored and reposted on the SF.

Jack

Magda Hassan
09-22-2009, 01:44 AM
This thread is being monitored and reposted on the SF.

Jack
Yes, Jack. Well, they've got to get their information from somewhere don't they? Not much there these days.

Charles Drago
09-22-2009, 02:23 AM
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Jack

It's all part of a classic, pre-intel school strawman attack: Take the most outlandish claim and depict it as indicative of mainstream opinion.

The coordinators of this attack are desperate, pitiful, wholly unprincipled folk whose efforts would be laughable except for the fact that the guilty parties are "educators" who exert vile influence on their young charges.

But that's fine. They need only to continue to provide links to this forum, where truth is championed and the enemies of truth exposed.

To the fair-minded folk being directed here: I again welcome you and urge one and all to review in its entirety The Deep Politics Forum.

Compare. Contrast. Let the chips fall where they may.

Jack White
09-22-2009, 03:20 AM
Charles...I am not so sure that the claim is so outlandish.

I first smelled a turd when the Feds established a huge 911 Victims
Fund, up to a MILLION DOLLARS for primary relatives (wife, children)
with the PROVISO THAT THEY WOULD ANSWER NO QUESTIONS REGARDING
THEIR RELATIVES. My nostrils rebelled right then at the smell of this.
The few* who turned down the bribe were roundly persecuted.

I checked the website making the claims, and there is considerable
evidence that passenger names and some ground names were
computer generated, using a common simulation program, which
can reverse engineer the names. It is worth taking seriously enough
to pursue.

The fact that BURTON scoffed at it makes me think it has some validity.

Jack

*such as Ellen Mariani

Carsten Wiethoff
09-22-2009, 04:42 AM
Thank you Jack.
Nobody claims that ALL names are fake and computer generated.
Everybody who was known and traceable to a time before September 11, like most of the first responders, are not computer generated.
These are the victims, as opposed to the vicsims.
The rest, of which the number has not been determined yet, maybe 50%, maybe 70%, are the vicims, people that never existed.
The money out of the compensation fund for these people financed the operation and probably more.
In fact, once you see the pictures, see the names, it slowly becomes obvious.

The first person presenting me with an authentic birth certificate of "Yeshavant Moreshewar Tembe" will get my billion, I promise.

This is not a conspiracy theory. This is a horrendous crime on humanity.

Carsten

Paul Rigby
09-22-2009, 05:15 PM
The first person presenting me with an authentic birth certificate of "Yeshavant Moreshewar Tembe" will get my billion, I promise.

The second prize goes to MSNBot Spider, whose devotion to this forum appears to know no bounds.

Carsten Wiethoff
09-22-2009, 05:37 PM
Yesh M. Tembe

http://mi-cache.legacy.com/legacy/images/Portraits/136302port.jpg
World Trade Center (http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/SearchResult.aspx?location=WTC)

Gadgets, Shrikhand, Brahms


Precision mattered to Yesh M. Tembe, an accountant working for the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance, and it showed in his fondness for high- tech gadgets. On the Saturday before the terror attacks, he showed his nephew Cyrus Meherji a new, blue cellular phone -- although despite their excitement, the two could not figure out how to activate the voice mail.

Mr. Tembe, 59, a classical music aficionado, also cooked, specializing in an Indian sweet called shrikhand, made with sour cream. It was popular with Mr. Meherji's children, who often came with their parents to visit Mr. Tembe and his wife, Coomi, in Piscataway, N.J. "They'd go for that," Mr. Meherji said.

The two men used to meet every few weeks for lunch downtown near Mr. Tembe's office in the World Trade Center. They would sample the cuisine of different restaurants, sometimes Thai, Greek, Turkish or Indian. "New York was the right place for him," Mr. Meherji said. "We liked everything."

Profile published in THE NEW YORK TIMES on November 15, 2001.

Charles Drago
09-22-2009, 05:59 PM
Charles...I am not so sure that the claim is so outlandish.

I first smelled a turd when the Feds established a huge 911 Victims
Fund, up to a MILLION DOLLARS for primary relatives (wife, children)
with the PROVISO THAT THEY WOULD ANSWER NO QUESTIONS REGARDING
THEIR RELATIVES. My nostrils rebelled right then at the smell of this.
The few* who turned down the bribe were roundly persecuted.

I checked the website making the claims, and there is considerable
evidence that passenger names and some ground names were
computer generated, using a common simulation program, which
can reverse engineer the names. It is worth taking seriously enough
to pursue.

The fact that BURTON scoffed at it makes me think it has some validity.

Jack

*such as Ellen Mariani

Jack,

Two of my concerns with raising the falsified deaths claim at this time are that A) doing so violates my Prime Directive for investigating deep political crimes: establish the "how" of the crime -- in this case, the manners in which the buildings were brought down or damaged and U.S. national airspace security breached -- beyond all reasonable doubt and to broad public acceptance BEFORE moving on to the "who" and "why" investigations, and B) in its current raw state it gives cover to the cover-up artists by presenting as an easy strawman candidate.

All of us -- including you and your noble comrades in the first or second generations of JFK researchers -- must learn from our personal and collective errors. Among the skill sets we have to master are those of the propagandist.

God knows they're used against us with devastating effect.

So ... Do I think that the issue is deserving of deeper investigation?

Yes.

But let's keep our heads -- and our own counsel.

Charlie

Peter Presland
09-22-2009, 06:28 PM
Two of my concerns with raising the falsified deaths claim at this time are that A) doing so violates my Prime Directive for investigating deep political crimes: establish the "how" of the crime -- in this case, the manners in which the buildings were brought down or damaged and U.S. national airspace security breached -- beyond all reasonable doubt and to broad public acceptance BEFORE moving on to the "who" and "why" investigations, and B) in its current raw state it gives cover to the cover-up artists by presenting as an easy strawman candidate.

All of us -- including you and your noble comrades in the first or second generations of JFK researchers -- must learn from our personal and collective errors. Among the skill sets we have to master are those of the propagandist.

God knows they're used against us with devastating effect.

So ... Do I think that the issue is deserving of deeper investigation?

Yes.

But let's keep our heads -- and our own counsel.

Charlie
As the person probably responsible for launching discussion on this - following Paul's original post that is - I have to say I agree with Charles.

It is not a subject that I would consider broaching with colleagues and acquaintances in my own local community for example. The obstacles to getting the average Joe to seriously consider, let alone accept the possibility, that elements of their own/US States apparatus were somehow complicit in the event are big enough as it is.

However, proselytizing campaigning and persuading are one thing; personal investigation and research are quite another and I've now seen enough on that site and other related ones to persuade me that the whole issue of video and photographic fakery, as it might apply to 9-11, is worthy of such an effort - in much the same way as it is proving on the Apollo program. Who knows it could just provide another 'nano-thermite' type breakthrough; but unless and until it does, I agree it is not an issue that warrants agressive 'on-the-front-foot' treatment

Jack White
09-22-2009, 06:56 PM
Let me say that I am not investigating these claims, BUT
I WOULD NOT DISCOURAGE THOSE WHO ARE.

I believe it would be a fruitful area for research, and encourage
those who want to study it to do so. If just ONE fake victim is
found, it might open many doors.

I am particularly interested in the million dollar bribes to 911
victims families NOT TO TALK. Why was the money offered?
What were the families instructed not to say? Why was it thought
that families of victims should be compensated? This was a
strange and unprecedented GOVERNMENT response. Why?
I think this should be investigated. This has little to do with
faked names...or does it?

Jack

PS. Charles, I agree with your premise, but I think the Victims
Compensation Fund is a separate issue and possible smoking gun.

Ed Jewett
09-22-2009, 10:29 PM
This is a distant issue for me, too, though I must say I was curious when, in a conversation with a never-previously-highly-vocal anti-Truther who burst forward with a "new" ("soso") attack in a slaphazard cut-and-paste using the predictable sources for debunking, he took issue with my statement that there had never been a valid forensic investigation of the 9/11 events by immediately pointing to the DNA work.

I actually meant forensic in the scientific, holistic and legal or evidentiary methods, and told him I thought the DNA work itself was hastily done and suspect for several reasons. I suggested to him that we collaborate on a taxonomy of the entirety of the days events using concept mapping software, and referred him to the search capabilities at History Commons, and suggested a page-by-page review and breakdown of the books by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, but as of this morning he hadn't taken me up on the offer.

David Guyatt
09-23-2009, 09:14 AM
Anti-Truthers and Troll-kind seem to avoid messing with Peter Dale Scott. :laugh:

It probably stems from his rigorous research, factual writing and extensive footnotes.

Carsten Wiethoff
09-24-2009, 05:57 AM
Yesh M. Tembe

http://mi-cache.legacy.com/legacy/images/Portraits/136302port.jpg
World Trade Center (http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/SearchResult.aspx?location=WTC)

Gadgets, Shrikhand, Brahms


Precision mattered to Yesh M. Tembe, an accountant working for the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance, and it showed in his fondness for high- tech gadgets. On the Saturday before the terror attacks, he showed his nephew Cyrus Meherji a new, blue cellular phone -- although despite their excitement, the two could not figure out how to activate the voice mail.

Mr. Tembe, 59, a classical music aficionado, also cooked, specializing in an Indian sweet called shrikhand, made with sour cream. It was popular with Mr. Meherji's children, who often came with their parents to visit Mr. Tembe and his wife, Coomi, in Piscataway, N.J. "They'd go for that," Mr. Meherji said.

The two men used to meet every few weeks for lunch downtown near Mr. Tembe's office in the World Trade Center. They would sample the cuisine of different restaurants, sometimes Thai, Greek, Turkish or Indian. "New York was the right place for him," Mr. Meherji said. "We liked everything."

Profile published in THE NEW YORK TIMES on November 15, 2001.

Regarding this "man" some notes have to be made. I checked into his nephew Cyrus Meherji , mentioned in NYT. There exists exactly one person in the US carrying that name. I know his phone number, but I do not harass other people.

Also I have seen references to his wife Coomi.

And then, there is this strange document I found, which nearly prompted me to alert the FBI. (attached)

What is remarkable is, that this name, Tembe, appears in this document, claiming to be a reminder for people who have not cashed in their checks and that are not reachable under their known address.

I leave it to the reader to think about what is more likely, that the New York State Deferred Compensation Plan does not know that Mr Tembe died 8 years ago in the WTC, or that Mr Tembe managed to get on the Death List and still receives his pension until recently.
Or that is all Smoke and Mirrors.

Carsten

Carsten Wiethoff
09-24-2009, 06:04 AM
In this case certainly some HUMINT collected on location is in order.
I do not trust the web, as soon as it gets into Smoke and Mirrors.

So is there any daring investigative Journalist in the NY/NJ area willing to research some background on Tembe for the story of his life?

Or any private eye, just quickly checking out some files from before 9/11? You may contact me, I might have a job for you.

Or do I really have to call the FBI?

Carsten

Carsten Wiethoff
09-24-2009, 06:50 PM
from http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/yesh-tembe.html :

http://pics.lookupanyone.com/images/lookupanyone-logo_small.jpg (http://www.lookupanyone.com/)
Login (http://www.lookupanyone.com/login.php?searchtype=) | My Account (http://www.lookupanyone.com/myaccount.php?CurrID=1)Customer Service (http://www.lookupanyone.com/help.php?) Return to home (http://www.lookupanyone.com/)
Tembe, Yesh

NameAgeState Tembe, Yesh M (http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/yesh-tembe-1.html)67 Jamaica, NY Tembe, Yesh M (http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/yesh-tembe-17.html) Piscataway, NJ Tembe, Yesh M (http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/yesh-tembe-15.html) Fair Lawn, NJ Tembe, Yesh M (http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/yesh-tembe-16.html) Jamaica, NY

Please note the age 67 in the first of the lines. This identity seems to have 4 locations. Maybe moving daily between them? Maybe there are 4 Yesh Tembe identities?

I smell a rat. It stinks mightily.

To wit:

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/thumbnails/tembe.yesh.jpg (http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/2783.html) Yeshavant Moreshewar Tembe (http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/2783.html) 59 New York State Department of Taxation and Finance Piscataway NJ United States World Trade Center 2002-09-09

So dead at 59, alive 8 years later at 67.

Not collecting his checks anymore.

We are definitely in criminal territory here. We are also in explosive territory here. This was the first and only "dead" I checked. What are the odds, that it is the only one?
Carsten

Carsten Wiethoff
09-24-2009, 07:38 PM
http://www.bromox.de/Stimmen.htm

This is from Neue Züricher Zeitung, Switzerland.

Touching description. False.


In all searches I never found any document from before 9/11.

Yesh M. Tembe did not exist before 9/11, died on 9/11 and lived 8 years after 9/11.

I am informing the president of the United States and the General Secretary of the UN. Help us God.

Paul Rigby
09-24-2009, 07:47 PM
Anti-Truthers and Troll-kind seem to avoid messing with Peter Dale Scott.

You're forgetting Alexander Cockburn and Noam CIAomsky, DG.

Cockburn attacks PDS:

http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/media/cockburn.htm


In early 1992, after the release of Oliver Stone's film JFK a media thundercloud erupted.

After early attacks in mainstream media like the Chicago Tribune and Washington Post, many other alternative media of both the left and right began to run articles on the film including outlets like "The Village Voice", for which Alexander Cockburn used to write. To the surprise of many, when some of these supposed leftist media organs did chime in, they savaged the film as wildly as the mainstream press did. These outlets were, specifically, The Progressive, Z magazine, and The Nation. The writers were, respectively, the late Erwin Knoll, Noam Chomsky, and Alexander Cockburn. Chomsky then wrote a book, Rethinking Camelot to specifically attack one of the main theses of JFK, namely that Kennedy had intended to withdraw from Vietnam by 1965.

But of the three, by far the most bitter and vicious polemics about the film were by Cockburn in three pieces in The Nation dated January 6/13, March 9, and May 18, 1992. The first piece was entitled "J.F.K. and JFK" in which he attacked not only the film, but the publishers of the book by Jim Garrison on which it was based, author Peter Dale Scott_who originated the Kennedy withdrawal thesis_and John Kennedy himself.

The next two issues cited were Cockburn's response to several of scores of letters The Nation received in response to the original article. Cockburns's response to the first group of letters was less than detached and academic. He said that Scott and author John Newman ("JFK and Vietnam" and an advisor on the film) suffered from "fantasies" and that Scott's letter was basically "silly" and showed "evidence of a rather pathetic persecution mania"(P. 319).

Chomsky dimisses Scott's work on NSAM 273 in a footnote to Rethinking Camelot.

Carsten Wiethoff
09-24-2009, 08:20 PM
I just sent a mail to President Obama. I truly and sincerely hope that not any more people will have to suffer. But I could not stay quiet.

Reaching the UN is more difficult, I am still trying to find the correct address or telephone number.

I will not talk to any press or media. Maybe to Len Osanic, if he asks. This has been a long journey. It is just beginning.

Truth. Healing. Justice. Peace.

Please, do not let the bad guys get away. But, please, stay on the right path.

It has been a pleasure to work with you. Our job is not yet complete.
The truth is out there, and has ever been, for all with open eyes to see.

Carsten Wiethoff

Carsten Wiethoff
09-25-2009, 08:30 AM
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5140090

Originally Posted by sylvan8798 http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5139263#post5139263)
May not be a Stundie, but certainly a "wtf?"

Quote:
Yesh M. Tembe did not exist before 9/11, died on 9/11 and lived 8 years after 9/11.



Or a "WTFLOLBBQ!!11!!!!"

http://forums.randi.org/images/smilies/doglaugh.gif

Definitely some Stundipity there.
__________________
Noonie noonie noonie noonie noonie noonie noo.

"You're weird." - Marquis de Carabas.

The 9/11 Truther (Twoofer) Credo (http://orphia-nay.blogspot.com/2007/01/911-truther-credo.html).



Yeah. Some fact checking will reveal immediately, on which side the Stunpidity lies.
:eviltongue:

Carsten

Paul Rigby
09-25-2009, 08:53 PM
Source to follow:

[QUOTE]Montana, the pusposeful mis-matching of similar names is how the 2000 presidential election was fixed in Florida. this method was used to exclude thousands of black voters. The fixers took names of some blacks and accidently/purposely confused the mames with other blacks with criminal records from other sates as a means to exclude legit black voters from voting. This methos served an additional purpose. It makes the exclusion of legit black voters look like a honest "accident" or a "computer glitch" thus providing plausible deniability to investigators. The entite Florida election fraud was outlined in Greg Palast's documentary, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy".

Source for the above:

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=4569&st=60

Once the basic principles of the 2000 electoral roll fraud are understood, one sees immediately how easy it was to replicate & transfer the process to the next great plot:

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=7174

When future historians put 9/11 under the microscope, the great massacre will be seen to have taken place in the aftermath, in the form of the tens of thousands of New Yorkers (and others) exposed to the deadly toxic dust cocktail. Death toll so far appears to be 600 - and counting:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/24/thousands-have-illnesses-_n_299403.html

Peter Lemkin
09-26-2009, 10:20 AM
Let me say that I am not investigating these claims, BUT
I WOULD NOT DISCOURAGE THOSE WHO ARE.

I believe it would be a fruitful area for research, and encourage
those who want to study it to do so. If just ONE fake victim is
found, it might open many doors.

I am particularly interested in the million dollar bribes to 911
victims families NOT TO TALK. Why was the money offered?
What were the families instructed not to say? Why was it thought
that families of victims should be compensated? This was a
strange and unprecedented GOVERNMENT response. Why?
I think this should be investigated. This has little to do with
faked names...or does it?

Jack

PS. Charles, I agree with your premise, but I think the Victims
Compensation Fund is a separate issue and possible smoking gun.

I think there were a FEW faked 'victims' including some [or all] of the 'hijackers', and some of those who made some of the more famous 'phone calls' the most likely. We have less information to work with than we do on Dallas...but slowly we make progress none the less. I just can't imagine 'no real victims', and think that that is either very foggy thinking or a campaign to discredit the 911-Truth community. I could even imagine a FEW who knew having themselves placed on the victim list to collect on their life insurance policy or in some way benefit from falsely being 'dead'....but, again, just a very few...

I think Jack's point on the hush-money is very important!

Ed Jewett
09-26-2009, 08:37 PM
For those who have done more than dip their toes, like me, into this content, would you post further detail, links, sources, etc. for the quote "total imagery control of any terrain is a primary sector of modern warfare". I suspect it comes from one of the mind war or psy ops manuals I've seen. A Goggle search for the one noted ... www.mediacen.navy.mil/vi/comcam.htm (http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/vi/comcam.htm) ... seems only to return me to the source citing it, and there appears -- on fast review -- to be no one else on the Internet who is citing it unless they are citing the source citing it. The link itself appears to be a doorway into places I am, at the moment, not inclined [nor cleared] to peak. More info would be desired if anyone has it.

Paul Rigby
09-26-2009, 09:00 PM
For those who have done more than dip their toes, like me, into this content, would you post further detail, links, sources, etc. for the quote "total imagery control of any terrain is a primary sector of modern warfare". I suspect it comes from one of the mind war or psy ops manuals I've seen. A Goggle search for the one noted ... www.mediacen.navy.mil/vi/comcam.htm (http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/vi/comcam.htm) ... seems only to return me to the source citing it, and there appears -- on fast review -- to be no one else on the Internet who is citing it unless they are citing the source citing it. The link itself appears to be a doorway into places I am, at the moment, not inclined [nor cleared] to peak. More info would be desired if anyone has it.

These any use, Ed?

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=241

http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.cfm?outfit=pmt&folder=66&paper=493

Ed Jewett
09-26-2009, 10:37 PM
Thanks, Paul. Will check them out. :turtle: (Please send more time and a coupon to the nearest speed reading and deep comprehension class. )

Ed Jewett
09-27-2009, 04:22 AM
For those who have done more than dip their toes, like me, into this content, would you post further detail, links, sources, etc. for the quote "total imagery control of any terrain is a primary sector of modern warfare". I suspect it comes from one of the mind war or psy ops manuals I've seen. A Goggle search for the one noted ... www.mediacen.navy.mil/vi/comcam.htm (http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/vi/comcam.htm) ... seems only to return me to the source citing it, and there appears -- on fast review -- to be no one else on the Internet who is citing it unless they are citing the source citing it. The link itself appears to be a doorway into places I am, at the moment, not inclined [nor cleared] to peak. More info would be desired if anyone has it.

These any use, Ed?

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=241

http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.cfm?outfit=pmt&folder=66&paper=493



Paul, a rapid first scan of both of those papers did not reveal the quote.

The idea of 'total imagery control' is wholly consistent with the articles and modes of thought they represent, but the quote is still absent and its source clouded.

At any rate, I'd heard of the first paper and even previously read secondary and tertiary references to it, but to read it now in its entirety is chilling, especially with regard to "psychotechnology" etc. There is this still-emerging picture that the deep state and security state leadership of the USA see the need to prepare itself against its people. Of course, we see that already historically and even last week; will it show itself again in New York City at the 9/11 events there?

Paul Rigby
10-20-2009, 08:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9VnZ-BMR3s

A wonderful piece of research - the evacuated hotel repopulated some time after 9/11 by, among others, "an aspiring actress." Guess that's just another 9/11 dream come true.

Interesting to note how flawed - or merely careless - the perps' collective memory is.

Ed Jewett
10-20-2009, 08:23 PM
Is there someone here who is deeply familiar with the technique, process, phenomenon and 'management' of Alternate Reality Games?
I am not, only recently aware of them, but that is now a thought/consideration given what I think I see in all of this.
It is consistent with that famous quote from Susskind's book and other things we know.

Paul Rigby
10-20-2009, 08:40 PM
Is there someone here who is deeply familiar with the technique, process, phenomenon and 'management' of Alternate Reality Games?
I am not, only recently aware of them, but that is now a thought/consideration given what I think I see in all of this.
It is consistent with that famous quote from Susskind's book and other things we know.

Feel free to keep thinking aloud, Ed, I'm interested to read where it leads.

Ed Jewett
10-20-2009, 10:06 PM
It's an open question for everyone, Paul.

What little I know that leads to further insight and questioning has already been posted here:

http://z7.invisionfree.com/E_Pluribus_Unum/index.php?showtopic=8206

And given what we know about on-line mindwar & psyops (see this collection: http://z7.invisionfree.com/E_Pluribus_Unum/index.php?showforum=160 ), and what little we know about computer software and how it has been used [reference the NSA, Echelon, PROmis, what I have posted in my blog about the IT applications of the OODA loop, some of the recent banking/investment stuff, etc.], it certainly suggests that there is a very, very deep puppet-master.

It also suggests that we all look for the electrical outlet the thing is plugged into and make it sing "Daisy, Daisy...".

Ed Jewett
10-21-2009, 12:27 AM
Being a self-acknowledged "newbie" at this task of deep politics, one thing has become clear to me (as it is probably clear to many veterans):

There comes a time when one should sweep all "the pieces" back into the box, take a good long walk outdoors amidst some mountains and brooks, listen to some music, meditate or otherwise take some sort of sabbatical, and then -- once refreshed, and the debris and detritus of early theory and impression* is at least somewhat weakened -- sit down and begin to assemble the pieces again, re-labeling as we go. It is always a work in progress.

http://www.thelemapedia.org/images/d/d2/Naghammadi_thomas.jpg

Surely there are (and perhaps we ought to assemble them all here in one place), some baselines, guidelines and tutorials on how this is done... perhaps pointers to great works in the field of problem-solving, the art and science of intellectual and cognitive inquiry and investigation, scientific and evidence-based thought, the creative breakthroughs of insight, etc. I think of the Poincare approach as one example, described in the attached (page 22, footnote #29)...

_____

* The debris and detritus is thick and gets thicker over time, given the active misinformation and disinformation game inside American media/culture, especially in America and on American subjects... but then most here have experienced it.

Paul Rigby
10-09-2010, 09:10 PM
http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2010_10_01_archive.html


If there is any professional journalism left in the world today, it is an incidental fact within an overarching system, which organizes and codifies the lines of power that animate and feed a faked "truth" served once warmed over as reality. It is patently obvious to me now, if it wasn't back then, that in watching this news video, every single component---person, place or thing---is an awful contrivance, especially unsuitable for today's cave walls

Peter Presland
10-10-2010, 06:15 AM
http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2010_10_01_archive.html


If there is any professional journalism left in the world today, it is an incidental fact within an overarching system, which organizes and codifies the lines of power that animate and feed a faked "truth" served once warmed over as reality. It is patently obvious to me now, if it wasn't back then, that in watching this news video, every single component---person, place or thing---is an awful contrivance, especially unsuitable for today's cave walls


I've only spent about 30 minutes there so far but that's enough to confirm that there's some pretty impressive information and analysis of 9/11 on that blog. So much so that it's another that I intend to hoover up in its entirety.

Thanks a bunch for posting Paul

Paul Rigby
10-10-2010, 10:42 AM
I've only spent about 30 minutes there so far but that's enough to confirm that there's some pretty impressive information and analysis of 9/11 on that blog. So much so that it's another that I intend to hoover up in its entirety.

Treat Konrardy and Hytten with some caution, Pete. Some very interesting research on 9/11 has been used for some very nefarious purposes:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1782

Paul Rigby
10-30-2010, 09:08 PM
Not sure if the July 7 website paradigm quite knows what to make of this; but kudos to the blogger in question for honesty and attention to detail:


J7: 7/7 Inquests Blog

Thursday, October 28, 2010

The Strange Account of Ross Mallinson

http://77inquests.blogspot.com/2010/10/strange-account-of-ross-mallinson.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+J7Inquests+%28J7%3A+7%2F7+Inq uests+-+News+%26+Analysis%29

In J7's submission to the 7/7 Inquests, amongst the many questions we posed in relation to the events at Aldgate, we asked:
What train was Mr Mallinson on? Was an announcement made at Aldgate that there had been a bomb on a train?

Source: J7: Inquest Submission 03, Immediate Circumstances Aldgate
In the morning session of 25 October Mr Keith questioned a Miss Melanie Jane O'Dell:

"MISS MELANIE JANE O'DELL (sworn)
Questions by MR KEITH
MR KEITH: Good morning.
A. Good morning.
Q. Could you give the court your full name, please?
A. Melanie Jane O'Dell.
Q. May I ask, is it Miss O'Dell or Mrs O'Dell?
A. Miss."
...

"Q. Did you take Mr Henning with you, in fact, towards the rear of the train as well?
A. Yes, he wanted me to hold his hand and he wanted me to stay -- he asked me to stay with him.
Q. And so obviously, because he was injured, you did so?
A. Mm, I was concerned there was another passenger called -- whose name was Ross, and I was worried about him, because he wasn't particularly coherent and he was quite quiet, and he was -- he had quite a bad -- what looked to me like a bad head cut.
Q. Presumably, he left the carriage along with the rest of you, did he, or did he stay --
A. Somebody else helped him.
Q. Could you see him being brought out?
A. I didn't see him because he was behind us, but then I saw him -- when I got to Aldgate eventually, I went over to Aldgate bus station and got on a double decker bus, I saw him being helped onto -- into an ambulance.
Q. So you knew he had been removed from the train?
A. Yes."

According to O'Dell's account, Ross Malinson was aboard train 204 along with Michael Henning.

However, Mr Mallinson was one of the people on the list of survivors designated as Properly Interested Persons (PIPs) in the initial hearings to the Inquests, and also one that had received legal aid to be represented. Justice Hallett was later to make her ruling that PIP status for survivors was to be withdrawn and they were not to be represented at the Inquests proper, although they could be called as witnesses during proceedings.

Mr Mallinson is described in the footnotes to those initial hearing transcripts as follows:

80 The following applicants were not in the same carriage as the explosions: Michael Henning, Elizabeth Kenworthy, John Blundell, Joanne Cole, Jacqueline Putnam, Ellaine Young, Angela Ioannou, Susan Maxwell, Lesley Ratcliff, George Roskilly. Further Tim Coulson and Ross Mallinson were not travelling on the same train as the explosion, although Mr. Coulson entered the affected carriage and provided first aid.

Source: Submissions of Counsel to the Inquests, 26/04/10, p61
O'Dell places Mallinson on Ciricle Line train 204, yet the Inquests' own documentation states quite clearly that Mr Mallinson wasn't on that train at all.

J7 would suggest that the reference to 'her' in the following Inquests transcript is an error as Mr O'Connor was not representing a female client travelling in another train. The only PIP who suffered the injuries described was Ross Mallinson and Mr O'Connor was his legal counsel:

[Mr O'Connor] carriage, and thus drawing a boundary about whether you're in the same carriage or not would be arbitrary and irrational, and indeed, even not in the same train, one of our clients, madam, you will have seen suffered a very serious fractured skull requiring two operations and was actually in a train passing opposite the explosion. Such is the random impact, that it went through windows and injured her desperately seriously.

Source: Hearing transcripts, Afternoon, 27 April 2010, p103 line 21 on
As can be seen in the Trackernet image in a previous article about the events at Aldgate, there appears to be no train 'passing opposite the explosion' on Circle Line train 204.

In an interview with The Age published in July 2005, it was claimed that Mr Mallinson was travelling on a train in front of Circle Line train 204, travelling between Aldgate station and Tower Hill:

Mr Mallinson was on his way to work as a computer programmer for an insurance company at Tower Hill when Shehzad Tanweer, 22, detonated the bomb on a train between Liverpool and Aldgate stations on the Circle Line. Minutes later, Mr Mallinson's train, also on the Circle Line, began moving again, slowly passing Aldgate station, where an announcer warned passengers that there had been a bomb on a train, probably the one directly behind Mr Mallinson's. His train continued to Tower Hill station, where two police officers carried him to the surface. He gave his mobile phone to a woman next to him and asked her to call his wife, Judy.

This would have huge implications if indeed this account is true. Firstly, the announcement at Aldgate of a 'bomb' whilst all the accounts heard at the Inquests this week have referred only to an 'electrical explosion' or 'power surge' in the first moments after this event and secondly, that the power was indeed on or had been reset after the explosion on train 204. The tracks would have to have been live after the explosion.

Not a word has been heard at the 7/7 Inquests of any other train 'moving' at Aldgate or in the vicinity of Circle Line train 204, apart from a Metropolitan Line train 447 which was going in the opposite direction and had only just begun to leave the station from platform 2 before it stopped suddenly. There has certainly been no mention of the explosion impacting 'through the window of a passing train' onto Mr Mallinson as referenced by his legal counsel, Mr O'Connor.

The driver of Metropolitan Line train 447 was not called to court to give evidence, instead the first of two statements that he made was read by Hugo Keith QC:

[Statement of MR MARK WILLIAMS] read "I then got on to train 447, which again is a Metropolitan Line train which was running on time. As I pulled away, I heard an extremely loud bang. At this point, I was about half a car length out of the station. I immediately stopped and, at the same time, the Underground electrical traction current turned off and the lights in the tunnel turned on. I did not open my doors as I was unsure of exactly what had happened. I then heard shouting from the station staff on the platform and the doors were being opened by two other train operators, Eldridge and Paul Haskins who were manually opening the doors. I could see this train was facing me in the tunnel, as it had just turned the corner. This was a C stock style train. I then went back through one car and got out of the train and joined the two other train operators, Eldridge and Paul Haskins.

Source: Hearing Transcripts, 26 October 2010, morning, p 26, lines 18 on
Metropolitan Line train 447 appears to have been evacuated within 3 to 4 minutes and well before the evacuation of Circle Line train 204.

At yesterday's hearing, Mr Mallinson was mentioned, not by a witness present to give evidence and answer questions but in a statement read to the court by Hugo Keith QC, from 'rookie' BTP officer, Robert Whyte:

[Statement of Mr Robert Whyte, dated 8/07/05, read] "Myself and PC Hatcher, along with the cycle officer, attempted to break open the door of the next carriage along from the badly damaged carriage. We were not successful in doing this. We then attempted to locate some sort of metal object that could help us in our effort to open the train doors. We could not find anything that could help us. "I then helped a male, who had a very severe head injury, who was holding a piece of bloodstained cloth tightly on the side of his head. The male, who I now know to be Ross Charles Mallison. He was shaking and kept telling me he was very faint. I took the male's small suitcase in one hand and told the male to put his arm around my shoulder for support. I told the male it would be a short walk to the platform where we could get him some medical attention. I kept trying to reassure the male along the entire walk of the track. I walked the male to the exit of the station where I was joined by a firefighter. This firefighter took the male by the other arm for more support. I was informed by this firefighter that they were using double decker buses across the road as the places to sit down injured people. Myself and the firefighter walked the male over to the buses. We sat him down on the first bus. The firefighter then asked if I was okay. I said I was. The fireman then left. I asked the male to sit back down and try to relax and try to take deep breaths. A male sitting behind me then handed me a piece of clean cloth. I replaced the man's cloth he had on his head with this piece of fresh cloth. A paramedic then came over and spoke to the male. He asked how he was feeling. I then asked the male if he was okay and he said 'yes' so I left the male in the hands of the paramedic on the bus.

"At this point, I decided to head back down into the station and try to help anybody else that needed help. Once again, I went into the station, headed downstairs to the left and on to the track. I came across a male and female that needed some help. I believe that they were boyfriend and girlfriend.

Source: Hearing Transcripts 27 October 2010 afternoon, p21 lines 21 on
How curious that Mr Whyte was able to include the full name of Ross Mallinson apparently on 08/07/05 whereas he doesn't name the 'male and female' to whom he also gave assistance.

Neither is there any mention of the place from which Mr Mallinson was rescued and aided. Nor any mention of him being rescued from a different train to Circle Line train 204. In fact, O'Dell's account places him on the very train that the Inquests' documentation claims he wasn't. It may be worth noting at this stage that Miss O'Dell gave a statement in July 2005 and was asked by Lady Justice Hallett to prepare another statement, over five years later, in August 2010.

The fact remains that the evidence adduced to the Inquest from Mr Whyte & Ms O'Dell differs greatly from the original account of Mr Mallinson's that he gave to The Age in July 2005 and that Mr O'Connor QC submitted to the Inquest.

Mr O'Connor QC had no option to question or challenge these statements on Mr Mallinson's behalf, since survivors such as Mr Mallinson are no longer legally represented at the Inquests.

Paul Rigby
10-30-2010, 09:21 PM
A pseudo-reality becomes credible by association with fiction - and previous pseudo-realities.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=77&view=findpost&p=15056874


Irish citizen feared to be among London blast dead

Jerome Reilly

Sunday July 10 2005

A NEW ZEALAND woman in her 20s who holds an Irish passport is feared to have been among those killed in Thursday's terror bomb blasts in London.

A huge forensic investigation was stepped up at the four bomb sites yesterday to recover the bodies of thevictims and identify thoseresponsible.

It has emerged that not one of the victims has yet been positively identified. Authorities say that is because the remains were so badly damaged and difficult to retrieve.

Police have confirmed that 49 people died in the blasts, 700 were injured and 25 are still missing, feared dead.

The relatives of the missing continued yesterday to hand out posters and pictures of their loved ones in a desperate attempt to find information of their whereabouts.

"It is a very harrowing task," police Detective Superintendent Jim Dickie toldreporters.

"Most of the victims have suffered intensive trauma, and by that I mean there are body parts as well as torsos."

The missing woman, who has dual Irish and New Zealand citizenship has not been accounted for since the terrorist attack. It is understood she was travelling on the Piccadilly line on Thursday morning when the bombs went off but did not arrive at herdestination.

Her desperately worried parents were travelling to the UK last night from Auckland to join in the search for their daughter and will arrive at lunchtime today.

Minister for foreign affairs Dermot Ahern said he had "serious concerns" for the young woman who has been living in the UK for some time. It is thought one or more of her grandparents was Irish.

The Irish Embassy is also aware of an Irishman who is in hospital as a result of the explosions. The injured man has been joined by his family, who are requesting his identity not be revealed.

Meanwhile the family of Ciaran Cassidy are convinced he was on board the tube that exploded near King's Cross but are refusing to giveup hope.

His parents, Sean and and Veronica Cassidy from north London have heard no word from shop worker Ciaran, 22, after his employer called to say he had not reached work.

Injured architect Willie John Walsh, 24, from Moycullen in Co Galway remains in hospital but is expected to recover from serious head and arm injuries sustained in the Liverpool Street bomb blast.

He was in the carriage where the explosion killed seven people. His mother, Barbara said her son does not remember much but that somebody broke the windows and he and a girl got out.

The families of at least two other Irish people posted messages on a ticker-tape on Sky News yesterday, appealing for them to make contact.

In an uncanny coincidence, an Irish actor, whose wife miraculously survived the King's Cross bombing is starring in a play which centres on a suicide bomber who blows upa bus and was to have premiered on the night of theattacks.

David Ganly, originally from Dublin was caught up in the attacks when his wife, Londoner Liza Pulman, captured scenes from inside the train on her camera phone which were later shown on TV.

David was in rehearsals yesterday ahead of the rescheduled opening of The Arab-Israeli Cook Book, which was supposed to have begun on Thursday.

The huge forensic investigation was stepped up at the four bomb sites yesterday.

A specialist team of senior police officers, coroners and medical experts will oversee the identification of victims.

Most of the serious injuries suffered by the bomb victims were caused by the shock waves from the blast - particularly traumatic for air-filled parts of the body.

Shock waves can cause perforated eardrums, collapsed lungs and perforated bowels. But the force of a high explosive bomb causes devastation of soft tissues and was responsible for many of the limbs lost. Smoke inhalation causing lung damage, burns and ripped skin, caused by debris such as shards of glass and metal, were also commoninjuries.

The Identification Commission, which comes together to deal with mass casualties resulting from major disasters, has been convened to handle the aftermath ofthe attacks.

They will meet every day to direct the process of formally identifying the dead.

They will be supported by a team of hundreds of police staff and medical experts, many of whom have experience of major terrorist attacks or natural disasters, including the devastating Asian tsunami which occurred on St Stephen's Day.

Det Supt Dickie said forensics experts would use fingerprints, dental records and DNA analysis to help put names to the bodies.

"The environmental conditions are extremely uncomfortable. It's very confined and workers trying to retrieve the bodies are enduring intense heat," he added.

Asked whether international assistance from other police agencies or forensics experts was being sought, he answered flatly: "We don't need help. We have sufficient expertise in the UK."

The police, with the consent of the victims' families, intend to collect hair samples from their homes as partof the ongoing effort toidentify the remains, Det Supt Dickie said.

Saturday, July 09, 2005 :

Bomb survivor’s tale has surreal twist of fate

Neans McSweeney, South East Correspondent

AN IRISH actor whose wife survived the King’s Cross train bombing last night starred in the premiere of a play which centres on a suicide bomber who blows up a bus.Londoner Liza Pulman captured scenes from inside the train on her camera phone and her husband, David Ganly, who is originally from Dublin, downloaded the images and emailed them to ITV and Channel 4.

David was in rehearsals yesterday ahead of the rescheduled opening of The Arab-Israeli Cook Book, which was supposed to have begun on Thursday.

It was a surreal day for the couple but the reality of what had happened and how lucky Liza was to survive only began to sink in for her yesterday as she watched television reports.

She said: “I watched back the footage and they described me as a bomb survivor. It was only really then that the penny dropped. An uncanny calm came over me. We didn’t really know what had happened. I took about 30 seconds of footage on my phone and when I came home, David downloaded it for me and sent it off to the TV channels via email.

“Even watching the footage was uncanny. I can’t quite believe that I was there. That I survived it. It was very difficult to breathe and our eyes were stinging. Thankfully, I didn’t have to walk past the carriage that was blown apart. While there was a certain element of chaos, everyone was calm and very well behaved. Things like this are a great leveller... It really was a life-changing experience.”

David Ganly’s father, Patrick, said the content of his son’s play was a strange twist of fate. “The story behind the show has an uncanny resemblance with what happened. It focuses on a suicide bomber who goes in a bus,” said Mr Ganly, who lives in Stonyford, Co Kilkenny.

“When I heard of the bomb on the radio, I switched on the television. I saw the footage taken with a camera phone and thought to myself how cool and calm the person filming it was. It wasn’t until I spoke to David that I realised it was Liza’s footage. Lisa is also an actor but was beginning a part-time job. I knew she’d be on the train at that time. She had been in touch with him so we knew she was fine. But she was stranded in London in her dusty clothes for hours because the transport system just ground to a halt.”