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Carsten Wiethoff
09-24-2009, 08:51 PM
After President Obama was informed that September 11 was not the event that was depicted, I just want to ask one other question:

Who killed John O'Neill?

And one more:

Who killed the innocent victims, the firefighters, policemen, the people dying from lung cancer because of the dust.
The american justice system will break under the load. Many people will lose all faith into what they believed. Many people will be very angry. Speechless.
Nothing will ever be the same in corporate america.

Either it will be a long way to healing or a short way to Fascism.

We all have to fight fascism and support President Obama, whether we believe he is innocent or not. There is no better man available.

Israel, Britain, Germany, France, Spain and countless other countries are also guilty, of complicity in the crimes.
The main victims are the victims of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The first victim has been the truth, as in any war.

Maybe a truth comission can help. It will be very painful.

It is a surreal situation to be waiting for something to happen and hoping that not too much will happen. Let us all be peaceful, as much as we can.

Carsten

Paul Rigby
09-24-2009, 09:31 PM
The first victim has been the truth, as in any war.

A common misconception, Carsten, for truth is ordinarily a corpse a long time before a shot is fired in earnest. No, the first fruit of war is propaganda, and the opening casualty is elementary consistency.


Maybe a truth comission can help. It will be very painful.

Nothing will happen: The US elite is above the law; and Obama is a devoted servant of that elite, not to mention its smelly, if lucrative, orthodoxies. The broad mass of the American people don't care.

Carsten Wiethoff
09-25-2009, 05:19 AM
Yeah, it takes some time to get a reaction.
And NO. NOBODY is above the law.
And YES, the New York Times is lying.

Get used to it.
Carsten

Myra Bronstein
09-25-2009, 06:42 AM
Yeah, it takes some time to get a reaction.
And NO. NOBODY is above the law.
And YES, the New York Times is lying.

Get used to it.
Carsten

And the fact that "there is no better man available" almost makes Obama less forgivable than his predecessor Bush, aka "no worse man available."

Bush was always scum, the idiot drunkard fortunate son of a power player, who served as the power player's proxy in the white house. If he was born to anyone else he'd be in and out of prison for DUIs and urinating in public, then ultimately die an anonymous death from chrosis of the liver and lack of health insurance.

But Obama had potential--brains and charisma and charm and the power to persuade. And he's used it in service of the shadow government. He doesn't seem tortured by it, or even conflicted. He's just smooth as silk and apparently happy as can be.

I guess he like the deal he made with the devil.

Carsten Wiethoff
09-25-2009, 07:30 AM
Currently I still have hope that he can overcome his chains and become a great president. None of us is without guilt. The question is, how we deal with it.

Carsten

Bernice Moore
09-25-2009, 08:06 AM
Currently I still have hope that he can overcome his chains and become a great president. None of us is without guilt. The question is, how we deal with it.

Carsten

I THINK PERHAPS TOO MANY MADE UP THEIR MINDS TOO QUICKLY RE OBAMA IMO GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE I KNOW..BOOM, SO MUCH CAN BE POINTED OUTAND SEEN AS TO HIS BOWING TO THE EVIL MONGERS WHO RULE IN THE BACKGROUND, PERHAPS...ALREADY SO WHOMEVER RUN NEXT TIME AND TRY TO DO BETTER... PERHAPS ONE DAY WE SHALL KNOW ALL IN REFERENCE TO HIM AS WE DO NOT THE BUSHES AS YET,,AND THEN PERHAPS THERE WILL BE NO DOUBT BUT I DO THINK SOME PERHAPS JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON WAY TOO QUICKLY TO DOWN HIM AND BELIEVED ALL THE POISON PEN WITTEN BY THE MEDIA REPEATED ON THE WEB THAT FILLS IT SO.AND IS REPOSTED ON SITES...CONSTANTLY
HOW DOES THE SAYING GO ONLY BELIEVE HALF OF WHAT
YOU SEE AND NONE OF WHAT YOU READ, ESPECIALLY ON WEB SITES AND IN NEWSPAPERS .WHICH AFTER ALL MAY BE exactly and FOLLOWING their AGENDA TO HAVE DONE WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED....BURY HIM..in some peoples MINDS AND opinions..who believe it all.... IT IS WHAT was and is WANTED IMO DO NOT HELP THEM...continue to bury him just because it is repeated does not make it true of all, those interested in the assns should recognize that as fact.....I DO SEE SO VERY MUCH THAT RINGS IMO ON THE WEB AS EXTREME BIGOTRY THEY EXCUSE THEMSELVES BY SHOUTING THEY ARE NOT BUT THEY REPEAT THE CRAP... WHETHER ADMITTED to OR NOT THEY SMELL IMO AND OPENLY AT TIMES IT ALMOST APPEARS A HATRED OF THE MAN BECAUSE HE IS BLACK,.THAT IS HIS BIGGEST SIN IT WOULD APPEAR..WITH SOME. SHAME...AND THEY WILL USE THAT REPEATEDKY A MILLION FOLD..IMO B:2in1:;)

Carsten Wiethoff
09-25-2009, 08:12 AM
Bernice,
does that mean that you, too, have hope?
Carsten

Bernice Moore
09-25-2009, 08:17 AM
Your damn right i have not thrown in the towel as yet and we live on top of the ruddy elephant who every time she sneezes we rattle with all as well as mexico and her too close alies also....because she says so..b

Magda Hassan
09-25-2009, 08:42 AM
I don't care if he is black, white, brindle or pale blue. I would just like to seem him DO something. So far all I have seen is Bush III. No change, just continuity. He could:
Apologize to many starting with the American Indians.
Bring the troops home.
Close the US bases.
Regulate the banks.
Charge the criminals.
Get rid of patriot act and other such draconian legislation.
Institute real changes in environmental sustainability and do it now.
Free public health for all.
Decriminalise drugs and stop supporting narco-states.
Build Federal framework so people can create and build things that people need.
but he hasn't done anything like this. He could have started to do this anytime. It has been 10 months since the election and he should have had things ready to go. None of the above is terribly radical and is the least he can do.
:banghead:

Carsten Wiethoff
09-25-2009, 09:03 AM
I find the speeches at the UN very different from what I heard in the Bush years. From time to time I seem to hear subliminal messages in them, which do give me hope.

At least, Obama will not be able to say he did not know the truth. And if he blatantly mishandles, rapes or tortures the truth, I do have hope that the american people with some help from the outside might be able to stop him.

99.9% of all humanity did not sell their soul. We are many.

Carsten

Magda Hassan
09-25-2009, 09:09 AM
Oh, Obama can talk the talk just fine. I don't see him doing the walk though.

Bernice Moore
09-25-2009, 09:42 PM
BUT HAS NOT THE SENATE CONTINUALLY STEPPED IN HIS WAY AND CONTINUE TO DO SO b

Mark Stapleton
09-25-2009, 09:57 PM
BUT HAS NOT THE SENATE CONTINUALLY STEPPED IN HIS WAY AND CONTINUE TO DO SO b

I think Bernice has hit the nail on the head.

The legislature is fully corrupted. Congress is owned by the very interests currently destroying the US. They have the money to purchase your elected representatives.

It's the system which has failed, regardless of who is POTUS.

Bernice Moore
09-25-2009, 10:08 PM
I do not know about any nail MARK I STILLTRY TO STUDY TO UNDERSTAND YOUR GOV SYSTEM.. BUT UP HERE IT SEEMS WHEN WE WATCH THE NEWS IT SEEMS THAT IS ALL WE HEAR BUT THE SENATE SAYS NO.....NOW IF SO AND THEY DO HAVE THE POWER TO DO SO, NOTHING APPROACHING ANY CORRECTIONS WILL BE POSSIBLE...BY ANY PRESIDENT UNLESS THOSE THAT CONTROL HAVE PUT THEM INTO OFFICE....HIS HANDS APPEAR TO BE TIED AS WELL AS PERHAPS ANY HONEST GOV REPRESENTATIVES..B

Magda Hassan
09-25-2009, 11:02 PM
If they are not voting with him why does he keep them? Why not expel them. Sack them. Get some one else from the Democratic party who will vote to support him. Also he needs to communicate more with the American people. If he was on the tv on his own show not filtered through the MSM he could talk directly what is happening and not happening and why. People will support him if he reaches out. At the moment though he just looks piss weak and like he has sold out (which I think he has) but it is the people who put him there who want him to make these changes who will stand by him. But he better do something like this soon before the disillusionment has set to concrete.

Bernice Moore
09-25-2009, 11:25 PM
HE CAN EXPEL THEM THE SENATE ALSO OR JUST DEMOCRATS PERHAPS A FDR RADIO TOUCH WOULD HELP. THAT IS HOW HE REACHED THE PEOPLES CONSTANTLY..just a thought..

JOHN KENNEDY ONCE SAID WORDS TO THE EFFECT OF WHETHER THEY USE THE POWER OR ALLOW THE POWER TO USE THEM...PERHAPS TOO MANY POLITICIANS HAVE GIVEN UP THEIR WHAT HAS BEEEN SEEN AS A LITTLE POWER WITH THE PROMISE OF BEING GIVEN MORE BY THE MONOPLY..WHAT POWER THEY COULD HAVE ...AS SHOWN BY THE SENATE IF THEY COULD ONLY BE HONEST AND STRIVE FOR THE PEOPLE AND THEIR COUNTRY INSTEAD OF SELF...BUT..THEY WILL NOT AND CANNOT AS THEY HAVE SHOWN SO MANY TIMES IN THE PAST IT IS THE AAM DISEASE THE BOTTOM LINE.IS....ALL ABOUT ME.WHAT THEY SUFFER FROM AS MANY OTHERS DO ALSO....B
:flute:

Myra Bronstein
09-26-2009, 01:43 AM
Oh, Obama can talk the talk just fine. I don't see him doing the walk though.

Exactly my thought. he speechifies real good. But I judge people on actions not words.

Myra Bronstein
09-26-2009, 02:38 AM
BUT HAS NOT THE SENATE CONTINUALLY STEPPED IN HIS WAY AND CONTINUE TO DO SO b

I think that's the cover story. The senate gives Obama plausible deniability so he can avoid doing what he doesn't intend to do anyway, i.e., aid people instead of banks, insurance companies, and the MIC.

I couldn't help but notice that throughout the prolonged battle Senator Al Franken had to wage to take his rightfully won Senate seat, the Democrats--in Congress and the White House--were silent on the subject. They did not press for a swift and definitive outcome; they just ignored the situation. Furthermore, Harry Reid and Obama et al agreed to let Arlen "magic bullet" Spector call himself a Democrat so that he could win his reelection battle, without insisting on anything in return, for example voting for progressive legislation.

No, the Senate is doing what Obama wants them to do--blocking legislation the riff raff voters want and furthering legislation the VIP lobbiests want.

Carsten Wiethoff
09-26-2009, 01:09 PM
Mr Mueller,

I do have a sincere problem to believe in the U.S. justice system. And I do have a sincere problem to believe in the FBI.
I have informed the President of the United States that I have evidence suggesting that a certain Yeshavant Moreshewar Tembe is on the 9/11 victim list, as published by CNN and the New York Times. Also I have found no evidence whatsoever that this identity existed prior to September 11, 2001. And third I am in posession of evidence that Mr Tembe, Yesh M. did collect a pension after September 11, 2001.
I do not see any way to reconcile these pieces of evidence.

I urge you to investigate in this case with the full authority of the FBI.
I urge you to inform the public about any ongoing investigation in this case.

And finally, when you have reached a firm conclusion, I urge you to make a public statement, regarding this case and what it might mean for the investigation into September 11, 2001.

Sincerely
Carsten Wiethoff


Someone has to do it. I did it today. Carsten

Bernice Moore
09-26-2009, 06:55 PM
:hello:3 cheers carsten do let us know if you receive any reply hopefully you shall..and have started an honest investigation rolling.....by the potus.....and that your informative mail does get passed along to him,......:willy:best b

Keith Millea
09-26-2009, 08:18 PM
speechifies

Myra,you're so creative.:alberteinstein:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Carsten Wiethoff
09-26-2009, 09:12 PM
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18075

They found two records predating September 11, thus weakening my claim that the identity did not exist before 9/11.
Still it is astonishing that the pension fond after 8 years does not know that Tembe is dead. Or is this normal?

OK so, let the FBI do their job and let us see the results.
In the meantime, of course, I will continue to search for similar patterns.

I will keep you updated, should any results or any feedback at all arrive at my location. So far the system is just dead silent.

Carsten

Myra Bronstein
09-26-2009, 10:45 PM
speechifiesMyra,you're so creative.:alberteinstein:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Thank you Keith. Not nearly as creative as Obama however.

Carsten Wiethoff
09-27-2009, 08:28 PM
At my location the net is still silent.
Germany has had its vote, very pleased with the results, I voted for pirates but hoped for Merkel. She is great.

Currently she is on the phone, my guess is with Obama and other world leaders, bringing all of them to the same page, before Obama will deliver a speech for a world audience. (my prediction)

Youtube is broiling, Charlie Sheens message to Obama is spot on, the reactions mostly shocked rejection, will be deep deep sadness very soon.

Obama must speak today, so much is clear.

9/11 is dead, the old NWO is dead.

"Black Sabbath: Changes" might be an adequate musical theme for the next days.

It is over, the sadness is universal, but there is also hope, and truth.
Yeah, the truth will set you free, even if that quote has been abused by the CIA so badly.

Iran will be a major player.

Al Qaida will be found to be underground freedom fighters against the old NWO.

Osama bin Laden will be found to be a good one, being abused by the CIA.

Peace

Carsten

P.S. I am having the time of my life, but the sadness, oh the sadness...

Magda Hassan
09-28-2009, 07:42 AM
At my location the net is still silent.
Germany has had its vote, very pleased with the results, I voted for pirates but hoped for Merkel. She is great.
What is it you like about her Carsten? How has she been great for Germany? It would be interesting to hear it from some one there.



Obama must speak today, so much is clear.


All he has ever done is talk. I'd prefer he shut up and do something instead. I'd like to see some real action, on behalf of the people that is, not business.



9/11 is dead, the old NWO is dead.
It was always the old world order in new clothes. And it is not dead.



Iran will be a major player.
Yeah, hogging all that Anglo-American oil like its theirs or something. And they have nuclear reactors. Who do they think they are! Israel?


Al Qaida will be found to be underground freedom fighters against the old NWO.
Al Qaida has been found to be a computer data base. One person's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. But whose? Theirs perhaps. Not mine.


Osama bin Laden will be found to be a good one, being abused by the CIA.
OBL has been found to be useful. To the CIA and others. He has probably been abused by them too but not as much as we are by both.



Peace

Carsten


Not enough of that in the world. I'll drink to peace and truth with you Carsten:cheers:

Carsten Wiethoff
09-29-2009, 02:34 AM
Hi Magda et. al.

It is now 4:20 in Germany, 29th of September 2009.
It is about 5 hours after I posted http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11697&postcount=13 and the two preceding posts.

Read them carefully.

I guess we arre at the brink of solving the only case of child abuse involving two american ex-Presidents.

I have done my job, going back to bed.

Nice Family values they have over there.

BTW Coming back to the suggestion to have a small birthday party for the Forum I invite the founders of the forum to a small celebration in my garden, taking place tomorrow from 18:00 German time. I will cook some Carribean specialties and Champagne will be served.
Unfortunately the reason for this celebration is also remembering the millions and millions of dead people of the last two centuries all over the world that could still be living, had the Family not sold their souls.
Contrary to what many people may expect, George W. Bush junior and Osama bin Laden are also invited, if they can make it possible.

Absolutely no press. Bring some music that is fitting the occasion. If anybody has financial issues of making the trip possible, contact me.
Please, wear your colourcode button to alert us of any threats.

I am serious. I expect 8 people to show up tomorrow, the 30th, 18:00 in Salem Germany. Escort service could be arranged but is deemed nonfitting.

Oh yeah, the last chance for President Obama to regain my trust is to appear as a special guest.

Carsten Wiethoff, 29.9.2009, 4:33 German time. Good Night.

Carsten Wiethoff
09-29-2009, 02:37 AM
Noticing that my previous post has nothing to do with merkel, and beeing sleepy, I will fill in tomorrow.

Hope to see you tomorrow. Party ON.

Carsten Wiethoff
09-29-2009, 10:46 PM
I sincerely hope the founders can make it to the dpf birthday party. :birthday:
If you are not coming, please advise, so that others can be invited.

Carsten

P.S. The location is historically interesting. It is less than 500m away from this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_Abbey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schule_Schloss_Salem

See you, Carsten

Carsten Wiethoff
09-29-2009, 10:55 PM
Al Qaida has been found to be a computer data base. One person's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. But whose? Theirs perhaps. Not mine.

Like this one?
http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Sep/0147.html

Carsten:dontknow:

Carsten Wiethoff
09-29-2009, 11:10 PM
9/11 is dead, the old NWO is dead.
It was always the old world order in new clothes. And it is not dead.

Not yet.
At least, they don't realize it yet.

Yeah, synchronization delay is awfully high, nowadays. Especially with severely limited bandwidth. Yeah, I have worked in the communications industry before. :thefinger:

I even do have a patent. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1370028.html
Carsten

Carsten Wiethoff
09-30-2009, 03:28 AM
http://www.fbi.gov/fieldnews/breaking.htm
09/29/09 Political Fundraiser Sentenced for Ponzi Scheme, Campaign Finance Crimes (http://newyork.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/nyfo092909.htm) 09/29/09 Leader of Cocaine Trafficking Organization Sentenced in Ohio to Life Without Parole (http://cincinnati.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/ci092909b.htm) 09/29/09 Ohio Man Pleads Guilty to Assault in Drive-By Shooting Involving FBI Agent (http://cincinnati.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/ci092909a.htm) 09/29/09 Oklahoma City Man Sentenced for Making Bomb Threat at Federal Building (http://oklahomacity.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/oc092909.htm) 09/29/09 Former Pennsylvania Liquor Enforcement Officer Charged with Extortion (http://philadelphia.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/ph092909.htm) 09/29/09 Two Romanians Extradited to U.S. to Face Charges in Phishing Scheme (http://newhaven.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/2009/nh092909.htm) 09/29/09 Florida Man Sentenced in Indiana for Identity Theft (http://indianapolis.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/ip092909.htm) 09/29/09 Virginia Man Sentenced in $40 Million Ponzi Scheme (http://washingtondc.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/wfo092909a.htm) 09/29/09 Virginia Dentist Pleads Guilty to Illegal Distribution of Prescription Narcotics (http://washingtondc.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/wfo092909.htm) 09/28/09 Four Charged in Louisiana in Bribery Conspiracy (http://neworleans.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/no092809.htm) 09/28/09 Gang Members, Associates Sentenced for Drug Trafficking, Money Laundering (http://houston.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/ho092809a.htm) 09/28/09 Arizona Fugitive Arrested in Spain (http://phoenix.fbi.gov/pressrel/2009/px092809.htm) 09/28/09 Connecticut Man Admits Role in Bank Fraud Scheme (http://newhaven.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/2009/nh092809.htm) 09/28/09 Alaska Drug Dealer Sentenced (http://anchorage.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/ak092809.htm) 09/28/09 West Virginia Woman Sentenced for Dealing Crack Cocaine (http://pittsburgh.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/pt092809.htm) 09/28/09 California Woman Pleads Guilty to Wire Fraud and Tax Evasion (http://sanfrancisco.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/2009/sf092809.htm) 09/28/09 Michigan Man Sentenced for Assault (http://detroit.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/de092809a.htm) 09/28/09 Michigan Rehab Facility Exec Pleads Guilty to $18.3 Million Medicare Fraud Scheme (http://detroit.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/de092809.htm) 09/28/09 FARC Members and Associates Indicted on Terrorism, Hostage-Taking Charges (http://newyork.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/nyfo092809.htm) 09/28/09 Former Enron Broadband Co-Chief Executive Officer Sentenced for Wire Fraud (http://houston.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/ho092809.htm) 09/28/09 Wisconsin Man Sentenced for Producing Child Pornography (http://milwaukee.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/mw092809.htm)

Strike! Carsten

P.S. Thanks to the fine person to whom I spoke in the New York office of the FBI. I was angry first, but it did not take too long to get the message.

P.P.S. Some people logging really long hours, and having the time of their life with it... :beer: