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Ed Jewett
11-17-2009, 09:40 PM
From History Commons:

October 7, 2001: Stolen 9/11 Documents Appear in Mysterious Circumstances (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a100701stolen#a100701stolen)

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On this day, Zeljko E., a Kosovar Serb, enters a Hamburg, Germany, police station and says he wants to turn himself in. He tells the police that he has robbed a business and stolen piles of paper written in Arabic, with the hopes of selling them. A friend of his told him that they relate to the 9/11 attacks. The 44 pounds of papers are translated and they prove to be a “treasure trove.” The documents come from Mamoun Darkazanli’s files, which were not in Darkazanli’s apartment when police raided it two days after 9/11. “It makes for a great story. A petty thief pilfers files containing critical information about the largest terrorist attack in history and dutifully turns them over to the police. agents do not buy this story for a minute; they suspect that some other Secret Service was trying to find a way of getting evidence into [their] hands. The question is, whose Secret Service?” Some German investigators later suggest that the CIA was responsible; there are also reports that the FBI illegally monitored Darkazanli after 9/11. [Der Spiegel (Hamburg), 10/27/2001; Der Spiegel, 2002, pp. 166-67 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/031298748X/centerforcoop-20); Chicago Tribune, 11/17/2002]
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Peter Lemkin
11-18-2009, 06:45 AM
From History Commons:

October 7, 2001: Stolen 9/11 Documents Appear in Mysterious Circumstances (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a100701stolen#a100701stolen)

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On this day, Zeljko E., a Kosovar Serb, enters a Hamburg, Germany, police station and says he wants to turn himself in. He tells the police that he has robbed a business and stolen piles of paper written in Arabic, with the hopes of selling them. A friend of his told him that they relate to the 9/11 attacks. The 44 pounds of papers are translated and they prove to be a “treasure trove.” The documents come from Mamoun Darkazanli’s files, which were not in Darkazanli’s apartment when police raided it two days after 9/11. “It makes for a great story. A petty thief pilfers files containing critical information about the largest terrorist attack in history and dutifully turns them over to the police. agents do not buy this story for a minute; they suspect that some other Secret Service was trying to find a way of getting evidence into [their] hands. The question is, whose Secret Service?” Some German investigators later suggest that the CIA was responsible; there are also reports that the FBI illegally monitored Darkazanli after 9/11. [Der Spiegel (Hamburg), 10/27/2001; Der Spiegel, 2002, pp. 166-67 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/031298748X/centerforcoop-20); Chicago Tribune, 11/17/2002]
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As evil as 'they' are, you must admit...they are consistent!

Helen Reyes
11-18-2009, 03:12 PM
It doesn't have to be a deceptive planting of evidence for the Germans to discover, it could have been intended as a tip-off to them just as much, and therefore probably not CIA.

David Andrews
11-23-2009, 04:20 AM
Richard C. Nagell.

Helen Reyes
11-23-2009, 07:34 PM
You might've nailed it, so to speak :)

I never heard a thing of Nagell before. Just browsing through some stuff on a first pass of internet search engine results, is it fair to say Oswald in his understanding was probably recruited by US intelligence to run a counter-intelligence operation against an alleged Cuban plot to kill JFK, whereas, in fact, according to Nagell's conception, the "Cubans" were US intelligence playing Oswald for patsy? Or did Nagell get that deep into it?

Jan Klimkowski
11-23-2009, 07:48 PM
The Man Who Knew Too Much - Dick Russell's classic investigation into Richard Case Nagell's, um, adventures with "Oswald", which needs to be experienced in its nuanced, twisting and tortuous (in)completeness:

http://www.dickrussell.org/man.htm

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1018

Helen Reyes
11-25-2009, 09:21 AM
Thank you, Jan. Very interesting.

Carsten Wiethoff
01-08-2010, 02:31 PM
It seems that a recent Vanity Fair article causes some commotion in Germany.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,670196,00.html

From the Spiegel article above:
In the article (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/01/blackwater-201001), which was published just before Christmas but only came to the attention of German politicians this week, it is reported that the CIA, working together with the private security firm Blackwater (which recently changed its name to Xe), sought to murder a naturalized German citizen from Syria in Hamburg after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The magazine reported that Mamoun Darkazanli had been observed by a team in the northern German port city for weeks and was to be assassinated. According to Vanity Fair, the orders for the special team set up to hunt terror suspects were to "find, fix, finish."