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Helen Reyes
11-19-2009, 04:57 PM
This is a book-length sort of topic, so I'll boil it down to essentials and solicit comments from anyone interested.

Basically, Bulwer-Lytton's son Robert was dispatched as viceroy to India and was engaged in the Second Anglo-Afghan War.


In September 1878, Lytton sent an emissary to Afghanistan who was refused entry. A month later in October 1878, he ordered an invasion which not only failed in its objective, but whose costs (and brutality) became a major issue in the defeat of Disraeli's Conservative government by Gladstone's Liberals in 1880. Lytton resigned with Disraeli.

Britain was involved in the Great Game with Russia for influence over the subcontinent. In Tsarist Russia there was a push to take India, Britain consolidated it first, but Russia didn't entirely abandon the project and the theater of influence-battle shifted to Afghanistan because of the low-lying pass southwards from Kandahar by which the Persians had traditionally invaded India.

The Great Game is also the title of the book by Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, who sent arms and money to attack the Communist but not Soviet government in Kabul, precipitating a Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The Great Game in Afghanistan broke down into region, tribe and village level as the Russian Empire and British Empire fought for influence. Russia had just consolidated Kyrgyzistan, Tadjikistan and Uzbekistan as well as the Near Eastern countries in the Caucasus, and annexed the ancient Persian oasis of Merv claimed by Afghanistan. Afghanistan itself only formed as a sort of left-over smorgasbord of land too desolate or too fierce for the Great Powers to worry themselves over.

Bulwer-Lytton and other members of the British colonial aristocracy set their summer capital in India in a place called Simala, an apline village with skiing nearby. The town still has a number of British colonial architectural heritage sites. Alfred Percy Sinnett pops up there, as does Rudyard Kipling and other significant figures.

The thesis is basically this. While the Great Game was playing itself out in Afghanistan, there were players involved, mainly in India, who were engaged in a spiritual sort of warfare, for whichever side.

The main players would be Helena Petrovna Blavatskaya, then an American citizen but a Russian for all practical purposes. Nicholas Rurik/Nicholas Roerich/Nikolai Konstantinovich Rerik, a Russian who arrived via America and supposedly sent reports on matters of interest back to one of FDR's vice-presidents, concerning spiritual quests.

Alfred Percy Sinnett and Krishnamurti weren't players so much as instruments. The game Blavatsky played involved resurrecting the ancient idea of the secret council or brotherhood who run the world from behind the scenes. GRS Mead, another theosophist, wrote a rather sophisticated book called The World-Soul in support, although he doesn't seem a real part of the scheme. It essentially involved resurrecting A?oka's legend of the Nine and their Nine Books of Forbidden Technology. H. G. Wells and others would also repopularize A?oka, the famous king whose Lion Capital (capital of a pillar not a seat of power) is the symbol of modern India. A?oka also built those famous sandstone Buddhas the Taliban razed in Afghanistan, to UNESCO's horror and dismay. (Rurik invented a cultural protection institution and formed an international treaty on cultural heritage protection that was basically the forerunner of UNESCO).

The game was to have these hidden Mahatmas (Blavatsky's term, before Gandhi, who was christened Mahatma probably because the term was current because of Blavatsky's endeavors) actually exert some pull, and a series of Mahatma letters began to appear, letters on paper, signed with initials, sent to Alfred Percy Sinnett and other real-world political players.

Rurik's game was simpler, he was involved in creating a joint origin, cultural and spiritual, for Russians and Indians. This would have served to make a merger easier. His involvement with the US is murky and he seems to have been mostly airbrushed out of American culture, although he ws very influential as a painter, writer and thinker during his time, which incidentally was a bit later than Blavatsky's time.

Balavatsky and her people seem to have decided Krishnamurti was their Maitreya on the basis of a founding member having seen his clear aura one day by accident. I rather think it had more to do with his appearing to be a tabula rasa the theosophists could write on, an empty vessel for them to fill, but in any case after a few world tours Krishnamurti himself abdicated as World Saviour.

Blavatsky also took the Vril concept and ran with it. Her theosophy also originally claimed that Africans and Australian natives were not part of the root races, so not true people. I haven't seen any indication that Blavatsky knew Rurik or Bulwer-Lytton, but most of these people ended up going through Simla.

If Blavaksty or Rurik were Russian agents, she would've been working for the Tsar and he for the Party, but that's not all that important here. What's important is the Great Game probably had spiritual aspects, and that secret spiritual councils sitting in Shangri-La, Shambala, Agartha or somewhere were sending out physical letters to influence policy.

The bigger dimension is post-WWII in the US.

Fred Crisman in his letters to Amazing Stories in the Shaver Mystery series hints at laser technology being used against him in Central Asia, and later in reference to the shooting down of the Army Air Corps craft returning to California after the Maury Island UFO investigation.

The ancient legend of the Nine includes Nine Books with secret knowledge of nine subjects, including lasers, propaganda, germ warfare/vaccines and so on.

What then happens in the US seems to me to replicate the model of using the Secret White Brotherhood in Shambala to influence British and Asian politics. This is Puharich's seance with Nine, but also concurrent events and phenomena. Frank Sarfatti is contacted by an artificial intelligence with a mechanical voice over the telephone who says it exists in a UFO in space. One of the early UFO contactees contacts the aliens telepathically and in seances, and begins relaying messages to the Pentagon, another moves from Princeton to California to work for a major defense contractor when he has his second encounter... In 1974, which forms a kind of symmetry with 1947, Philip K. Dick has a close encounter with an artificial intelligence that provides him information about aliens from Sirius, among other things. Dick thinks it might be a transmission from a satellite. Timothy Leary publishes the Starseed Transmissions around this time.

Back to Puharich. His group gets the inside dope on the Secret Council, the Nine. They reveal their interest in human welfare and deep ecology. They are in a UFO in space.

Puharich writes his The Sacred Mushroom as a spiritual whodunit, and if you compare it carefully with Lovecraft's Call of Cthulhu, you'll see how he likely modeled his book on Lovecraft's story. He even uses some of the same words which Lovecraft calls Turanian, a sort of animalistic proto-human speech that gave rise to certain non-Indo-European languages later, such as Eskimo, Turkish, Bushman, etc. With that clue, we are to understand Puharich is having a nice joke on us and there is more to the book than just its superficial story and statements. So what lies under the surface of this tale of Egyptian atavism? Well, Puharich tells us he works for a biological weapons laboratory. He also conveys a vision of an ancient Egyptian god holding the sun over the ocean of the earth with all his might so it doesn't drop. This and elsewhere in his book he's casting Amanita muscaria as the proverbial mushroom cloud, the nuclear bomb.

Oh, and Puharich's Nine are racist. According to them, pure Africans don't have starseed origins like the rest of humanity does. It's Blavatsky all over again.

Do the Nine represent a reconfiguration of Blavatskyism for MKULTRA? Who exactly is fooling whom here, are the Inner Council with access to the spiritual Nine actually undergoing mind control under trance or using psychotronics? Is there an inner council of the Nine as human avatars who are perpetuating a scam on the outer rings? It's not hard to imagine how apotheosis would apeal to the American elites of 1952, but it is harder to explain whence they channeled unknown technologies, if in fact they did. So that brings up the possibility that there is something to the spiritual side of the scam or scheme or project, perhaps some sort of entities with access to alternate time streams, or some manner of dybbukim or fallen angels or what have you amsquerading as Egyptian deities.

And if the evil Nine exist, it sounds a lot like the gnostic myth of how the archons tried to assume power and act as aeons from the pleroma, creating a darkworld mirror of the light world. I think Plato says somewhere in the Repubic that the best tyranny perfects itself by mimicking nature.

Following up on the Nine's apparent program of action, judging from the television transmission by "Grahama" in the UK in the 70s, it's what conspiracy folk call Project Bluebeam. Bluebird-->Bluebeam. Grahama said they would contact every individual individually, as a voice in their head, and they would do so when the American stock market crashed. I guess they're behind schedule, or maybe somebody was just having a good belly laugh while television engineers were pulling their hair out trying to explain how the signal took over theirs and where it came from. Obama of course is the sort of empty vessel Krishnamurti was and would make a fine Maitreya in the theosophical tradition.

That's the basic outline of it. Comments, criticisms, suggestions and thoughts appreciated.

Keith Millea
11-19-2009, 07:24 PM
This is hard for me to critique,as it's so wide ranging.Also some occult stuff that I don't understand.Truly interesting though.I have read Blavatskys' Secret Doctrine volumes along with Isis Unveiled,and Theosophist literature.I was very impressed for some years.I know Blavatsky seems to have aquired a bit of a reputation for being a little shady.

A Grand Conspiracy this is.I hope some others will add their thoughts.

Thanks

Helen Reyes
11-19-2009, 10:09 PM
Thanks for that much, Keith. I have no bones to pick with Blavatsky and am not even sure it was she who faked the Mahatma letters (http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-hp.htm). Further I have great respect for the theosophist GRS Mead as a scholar and the authority on gnosticism, and for Manley P Hall the eternally damned freemason.

Here is an audio file on Vril. It's not really all that occult. Sort of silly even:

BBC Radio 3 Sunday Feature - Vril (http://154.ca/otr/shared/BBC_R3_-_Sunday_Feature_-_Vril.mp3)

I guess Gurdjieff and his Meetings with Remarkable Men need to be included somehow. He did go to the Oxus/Amu Darya River.

David Guyatt
11-20-2009, 08:54 AM
Helen, thanks for this. I think you might also need to factor in the stream of Nazi occultism, Thule etc., into all this. The race aspect you outlined above plays into their thinking as you know. Himmler had emissaries scouring the Himalayas and elsewhere for Shambala to tap into their back Sun knowledge.

And as Peter Levenda has shown in his excellent trilogy, there are nazi/fascist pulses through many of the post WWII events and personalities ---- UFO's obviously, but also key figures who had Nazi/fascist associations.

I also know from my own researches that fascist associations with the occult continue and prosper -- and I think we can add here also the whole Martinism, SS Otto Kahn, Synarchism and Priory of Sion axis.

All in all it is very complex and convoluted, but like you I am convinced there is a very definite "governing mind" pulling all these strings together.

Helen Reyes
11-20-2009, 10:22 AM
Thanks David for your thoughts.

Interesting you mention Germany. Germany was one the most active players in Afghanistan along with the British Empire and the Soviet Union, so much so, that the Afghan government had to adopt a policy of strict neutrality and ask all German non-diplomats to leave. They went one further and made all foreign non-diplomats leave. They seem to have taken a lesson from what happened to Persia, i.e., Stalin and Churchill basically occupied it for the duration of the war.

The strange thing is, as soon as the war was over, the Germans came back. Germany again became the major foreign aid donor to Afghanistan along with the US and USSR, in the 1960s I think, and did large infrastructure projects.

The big connexion with the Third Reich in the region isn't talked about much: Mahatma Gandhi, Hitler's greatest fan. Burma, Thailand, Indonesia etc. all hailed their Japanese Axis liberators and used the rhetoric of the Japanese Greater Asian Co-Prosperty Sphere as a springboard for national self-determination. Woodrow Wilson, of course, had only advocated national self-determination for white people.

I understand Peter Levenda studied some primary documents from the Ahnereb. It would be interesting to see what he came up with. The film Seven Years in TIbet with Brad Pitt was a whitewash of history in several ways, putting a friendly face on Nazism but also clouding what the Nazis were really doing in Tibet.

It's also interesting how Japan conducted itself in Manchuria vis-a-vis Jews. The Japanese military leadership seems initially to have subscribed to the idea of the Protocols of the Elders of Sion, but with a twist: they didn't think the Jews were so bad anyway, and sought to curry influence with the secret rulers of the earth by adopting a policy of tolerance toward Jews. This lasted throughout the war, with some wrinkles now and again. There was Japanese milkitary intelligence agent/diplomat Chiune Sugihara in Kaunas/Kowno, Lithuania, who issued Jews travel visas to get to Manchuria, and there was a semi-tolerant Japanese leadership at the Shanghai ghetto who saw the Jews as fellow Asians. This is probably the source of the legend Philip K. Dick used in Main in the High Castle, a book about an alternate reality in which Germany and Japan win the war and partition North America. The book references another book called The Grasshopper Lies Heavy (yes, this is what some Israeli leader used to say there were too many Palestinians, but it's from the Old Testament) in which the Allies win the war.

"Allies"... During the war they usually called them the United Nations. After the war they renamed them Allies.

The idea of an alternate reality with a different outcome for WWII isn't new at all. For instance, see the audio files here (a Brothers Cameron production in Canada by the way):

Nazi Eyes On Canada directory (http://www.tennesseebillsotr.com/otr/Nazi%20Eyes%20On%20Canada/)

and especially this one:

Premiere Show (http://www.tennesseebillsotr.com/otr/Nazi%20Eyes%20On%20Canada/Nazi%20Eyes%20On%20Canada%201942-09-20%20(1)%20Premiere%20Show.mp3)

Japan has also had its share of novels where Imperial Japan won.

David Guyatt
11-20-2009, 12:11 PM
Thanks again Helen, especially for the links. I had no idea that Gandhi was a big fan of Adolph. How surprising.

My Sister is fluent in German and I have tried to interest her in the SS Ahnenerbe with the hope that she would be able to translate some of their records. Cunning plan eh. But thus far no luck whatsoever.:smokin:

I'm sure you're familiar with the fact that the Japanese royal house were regarded as honourary whites and the only Non European royalty invited to be members of Her Majesty's highest chivalric order, the Most Noble Order of the Garter. It is an honour that is still bestowed on the current Emperor.

Btw, have you come across the story of hundreds of suicided Tibetan monks wearing green gloves found in Berlin when the Third Reich fell? See HERE (http://tribes.tribe.net/conspiracypureevil/thread/18c7627c-5e5a-42ba-bfcb-244795a2c362)

I've always considered the story to be apocryphal /urban legend but wonder if there is any basis in fact for it. Any thoughts?

Helen Reyes
11-20-2009, 05:20 PM
Thanks again Helen, especially for the links. I had no idea that Gandhi was a big fan of Adolph. How surprising.

He later backed off his initial enthusiasm, but the letters to Berlin had already gone out.


I'm sure you're familiar with the fact that the Japanese royal house were regarded as honourary whites and the only Non European royalty invited to be members of Her Majesty's highest chivalric order, the Most Noble Order of the Garter. It is an honour that is still bestowed on the current Emperor.

I had no idea really. I knew the Trilateral Commission's third leg is Japan.


Btw, have you come across the story of hundreds of suicided Tibetan monks wearing green gloves found in Berlin when the Third Reich fell? ... I've always considered the story to be apocryphal /urban legend but wonder if there is any basis in fact for it. Any thoughts?

I looked into it a little back in 2000 and what I found was there were definitely Tibetan adepts in the Third Reich, I even found a cyanotype photo of some wild eyed monk looking like Charlie Manson if he had a more nutritious diet. I couldn't find more than a few Tibetans discovered by the Soviet forces, but it might be I just didn't find them and there were 200 yellowhats working for Himmler in some spiritual capacity. I always sort of thought Thomas Pynchon was hinting around about it in Gravity's Rainbow but his Rakettenkorps were Namibians, not sure if he stuck any Tibetans in there or if my memory did.

My understanding is that the Nazi expeditions were sent to find the "Aryan" Tibetans. A Nazi version of the Prester John myth?

There's also a rumor about a certain episode.... Hitler once opened (or at least mentioned in) a speech saying "I have met the Ubermensch. I spoke with him. He made me afraid." The rumor is he had just taken a call from G.I. Gurdjieff, who phoned him from Lhasa.

There is a pro-Fascist author who wrote under the name of W. Grimwald. I first noticed him because he was censored off the internet. I found his works mentioned in caches of search engines but they were always missing, no matter where the internet page was physically located. Eventually I located some of his works, which are really just little essays. I think if you search for him on scribd you'll probably find everything these days, and probably even him confessing his true name and affiliations, but this was interesting to me way back when:


National Socialist Germany and Tibet

By William Grimwald

There's a legend that Aryans, led by Thor, fled a cataclysm to settle in old Tibet. Sven Hedin, the Swedish explorer of Central and Inner Asia, went as far as Tibet. He was a friend of Hitler's and an outspoken admirer of National Socialist Germany. As we shall see, the National Socialist regime must have known much about Tibet and to maintain contacts with that remote nation. It is claimed that the SS sponsored various expeditions there, and this now seems likely given some of the connections which are finally being reliably discovered. That the Germans were permitted to enter a land forbidden to other foreigners is likely given that the Dalai Lama of the time was an enthusiastic admirer of Hitler.

OCCULT AND GEOPOLITICAL INTERESTS

As far back as the early 1920s when the National Socialist movement was struggling for power, the geopolitical theorist Prof. Karl Haushofer was teaching his pupils the geopolitical importance of Central Asia and Tibet. Among these pupils was Rudolf Hess who introduced Haushofer to Hitler at Landsberg Prison where the latter was confined as a result of the 1924 Munich Putsch. Haushofer had served on the Kaiser's Staff Corps in the Orient and had studied the mysticism of Japan and India. He believed the Indo-Germanic race had originated in Asia, and control of the region was pivotal to Germanic world power.

At this time there were two occult societies operating in Germany which were to have a lasting impact on National Socialism, and especially on the SS which was to set up a department specifically to explore occultic matters, "Ancestral Heritage". These societies were Thule and Vril. The Vril society was based on the ideas expounded by the Rosicrucian Sir Bulwer Lytton in his book The Coming Race. Lytton claimed that there is a psychic energy of immense power, latent in most humans, but being utilised by adepts living in Tibet. It is claimed that Haushofer introduced Hitler to both the vril concept and his geopolitical ideas.

Intriguingly, there was already a Tibetan community resident in Germany with its own Lama. While many fanciful claims are made by pseudo-scholarly books on the Third Reich, one of the most intriguing is the assertion that large numbers of Tibetans in German uniform were found amidst the ruins of Berlin by the Soviet Army. An article recently published by the US paper The New Order sheds a uniquely reliable light on some of these Tibetan-German connections, based as it is on the autobiography of the present Dalai Lama.

MEIN KAMPF IN TIBETAN

During the 1920s the Dalai Lama was Thutpen Gyatso. He was a scholar of impressive intellect who sought to achieve a balance between Western technology and Eastern spirituality. He had heard about Hitler when the National Socialist movement was still struggling for power. Among the many European books the Dalai Lama had translated was Mein Kampf. He filled his copy with enthusiastic annotations and underlining of his favourite passages on virtually every page.

Of Hitler he said: "The inji (honourable foreigner) is assisted by God for some high purpose in this life."

He also believed there to be a synchronicity for the swastika being the symbol of both National Socialism and the ancient Bon-Buddhism of his warrior monks. Also noted were certain similarities between National Socialism and Buddhist doctrines, especially that service to one's folk is the highest purpose or dharma in life.

Therefore when Hitler became Chancellor in 1933 warm congratulations were received from far off Tibet.

TIBETANS IN GERMAN UNIFORM

During the 1940s Tibetan volunteers formed brigades attached to the Cossack regiments fighting Communism with National Socialist Germany. The Tibetans with their endurance of sub-zero temperatures, refusal to surrender made them among the toughest fighters against the Soviets. They were exceptional horsemen and staged some of the last cavalry charges in history. It was the remnants of these brigades that the Soviet army found in the ruins of Berlin, having fought to the last.

After the war, Tibet took those National Socialist fighters who could make it into sanctuary. Among these was an Austrian, Heinrich Harrer, who became a close confident of the new Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso. Tenzin relates in his autobiography that Harrer was a delightful and humourous personality. He spoke fluent Tibetan and was well-liked by the Tibetans. Harrer had escaped British imprisonment in India during the war with another prisoner, and the two had lived as nomads for five years until reaching Lhasa. Harrer and Tenzin first met in 1948. For the next year and a half, before Harrer left they met about once a week. "From him I was able to learn something about the outside world and especially about Europe and the recent war."

Several years later the Tibetans were again in the frontline of the conflict between the materialist worldview and the spiritual/archetypal. Although the 80,000 troops of Red China overwhelmed the 8,500 Tibetan troops the Dalai Lama remarks: "it is necessary to say that the Chinese lost large numbers of men in their conquest of Tibet."

FOLKISH NATIONALIST

While Tenzin might be portrayed as a pacifistic internationalist by the media and scraps such as the Nobel Peace Prize are thrown at him by a condescending world Liberalism whilst his nation is subjugated by genocidal Chinese, Tenzin remains an opponent of those materialistic forces bent on driving humanity into a universal drabness. He is, like the National Socialists for whom his countrymen once fought, a proponent of folkish and national diversity.

Speaking at the 1993 Chicago Conference on World Religions, he said that the boundaries separating different peoples across the world were not bad if they preserved and defined genetic and cultural identities. He stated these differences need to be maintained in order that the individual have his own sense of identity. Tenzin is totally opposed to One Worldism, saying of the internationalists: "they fail to see that the so-called 'cultural diversity' they claim to admire would vanish in a One World system. No, true 'cultural diversity' values the different material and spiritual achievements of a people uniquely different from all others on the planet. Therefore it cannot exist without the barriers which separate and identify culture from culture."

Today, while the Tibetans are exiled and exterminated, their cause should be a worthy one for all Folkists to uphold, just as the Tibetans themselves once gave their lives in the service of folkish Dharma, from their remote homeland to the Russian steppes to the smoking ruins of Berlin.

Sources:

The Lost World of Agharti, A MaClellan, Corgi, Britain, 1983.
The Fuhrer & the Buddha, A V Schaerffenberg, The New Order #119.
Citing Freedom in Exile: The Autobiography of the Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, Harper Collins, NY, 1990.

The Bosnian Waffen SS were likewise highly regarded, I'm told. Or maybe it was the Crimean Tartar brigade. You know, the Crimea, which Stalin promised to special ambassador Harriman as a Jewish Homeland, and then started shipping Tartars east....

There is also something very similar between Nazi concepts of Heimat and Pure Land Buddhism, a sort of mysticism that translates well from Asia to Europe. This goes back to Bon religion, pre-Buddhism, and it's interesting that the myths and legends of Bon put their origins west, slightly west of Tibet, but ultimately from the Pamirs. Or Kish, or Kush, or whatever you want to call the ancient land there. Hindu Kush certainly doesn't derive from "Hindu killer," and must mean the Hindu-occupied region of Kush, Kish or whatever the vowel is best represented by. If you follow the Bon tradition back, they claim shakyas (great teachers of whom Buddha was one recent) stretching back something like ten thousand years, and there's an interesting story about lost knowledge written in a sacred but forgotten language called Kipa, but translated back into an intellible language from some Persian language in the area. btw the word Pamir is very interesting too. Mir as spiritual authority, mir as world, mir as peace... Bon says the religion was originally taught by people from Gilgit or Hunza, which is Baltistan, which is in the Pamirs. If you look at their way of life in Hunza and surroundings, you have to wonder if their ancestors didn't ride out the last ice age in some relatively warm corner of the world, maybe right there in the Pamir Range. For more on this, see Olmolungring/Tagzig Olmo Lung Ring/Zhangzhung and Bon religion.

PS The OSS lost some men while withdrawing from China through Tibet around the time of the end of the war in Europe. I think the CIA later did supply some arms to Tibetan nationalists too.

Jan Klimkowski
11-20-2009, 05:51 PM
I'm fairly certain that the Red Army did find a group of Tibetan adepts in Berlin in 1945, having researched this story over the years.

All the monks were dead, in a circle, having committed ritual suicide.

The Ahnenerbe were up to all sorts. A recent archaeological dig in the Ukraine discovered SS skeletons showing clear evidence of trepination in a sacred Scythian graveyard. The speculative interpretation is that the Ahnenerbe were drilling for evidence of the Third Eye inside the skulls of the "pure Aryans" of the SS.

:bandit:

Helen Reyes
11-20-2009, 06:10 PM
I'm fairly certain that the Red Army did find a group of Tibetan adepts in Berlin in 1945, having researched this story over the years.
... A recent archaeological dig in the Ukraine discovered SS skeletons showing clear evidence of trepination in a sacred Scythian graveyard. The speculative interpretation is that the Ahnenerbe were drilling for evidence of the Third Eye inside the skulls of the "pure Aryans" of the SS.

:bandit:

Any idea how many Tibetans were found dead in Berlin in 1945? Also, why were the archaeologists sure it was trepination and not systemtic blows or bullets to the head? Was the "Scythian graveyard" a collection of kurgans?

Keith Millea
11-20-2009, 06:25 PM
I guess Gurdjieff and his Meetings with Remarkable Men need to be included somehow. He did go to the Oxus/Amu Darya River.

Yes,how about some more on Gurdjieff.If I remember during the Russian civil war he left with his adepts,and traveled to somewhere in Persia.Was that Turkish land or Iran?I believe he was studying the sufi mysteries.:joyman:

David Guyatt
11-20-2009, 07:29 PM
Thanks Helen (again) and Jan also. Fascinating stuff.


Lytton claimed that there is a psychic energy of immense power, latent in most humans, but being utilised by adepts living in Tibet.

I’m feel sure the bit about "psychic energy of immense power" is probably true. It's been a recurring theme in a lot of the research I have conducted over the years. But like Arthur’s sword it can either be used to hack or to heal - to purloin a phrase from John Boorman’s film Excalibur. I am also quite sure that the purpose of the SS Ahnenerbe search for this secret was to gain access to this corruptive power. In other words to hack.


A recent archaeological dig in the Ukraine discovered SS skeletons showing clear evidence of trepination in a sacred Scythian graveyard. The speculative interpretation is that the Ahnenerbe were drilling for evidence of the Third Eye inside the skulls of the "pure Aryans" of the SS.

The mind boggles. Or should that be ogles?

Trepanation of the skull for the third eye is certainly evidence of extroverted thinking, and is evidence in and of itself that those in the SS responsible for this episode probably missed the deeper point. Unless, of course, there was an underlying ritual purpose to the procedure.

Speaking of curious SS outfits, the SS Charlemagne brigade was composed almost entirely of Frenchmen and has a particular resonance to the story of the Priory of Sion as it pertains to SS Otto Rahn. The following site contains much interesting material on things PoS:

http://www.perillos.com/rahn.html

On Rahn I was once told by someone who claimed definite knowledge (i.e., he met him after the war) that Rahn really did not die in an alpine accident and lived a sheltered life in the Vatican post WWII.

Another page from the same website linked above goes into more detail about the founding of the SS Charlemagne brigade inside Lupe (Wolf) Castle and its purpose:


The secret of the Charlemagne Division

But let us return to the castle of Lupé… which had sheltered two famous characters: François Rabelais and… Michel de Nostredame. We can only wonder why they came here…?But it lasted until the Second World War before the Lupé castle would have its most bizarre episode. It is in this castle, under the impulse of Mgr Mayol de Lupé, that the famous S.S. "Charlemagne" Division was created. ?The purpose of this division was to unite, after the war, an aristocracy of which the unavowed and "secret" goal was neither more nor less than the attempt to reconstitute the Holy Germanic Empire. Mgr Mayol de Lupé was Grand Chaplain of this Waffen-SS division, whose number was 33…?One is in right to ask why this "exceptional creation" occurred in the Lupé castle, and nowhere else, as the place had been forgotten, was not famous or did not conform with any of the known military practices or imperatives of the Nazis. ?The latter behaved very discreetly in the village… almost clandestinely. And then there were the German topographers who accompanied the German officers, to carry out strange measurements, in certain places adjoining the castle. Historians and experts in archaeology attest that Nazis were actually stationed within the walls of the castle. To devote themselves to what type of research?

http://www.perillos.com/lupe.html

Helen Reyes
11-20-2009, 07:45 PM
I guess Gurdjieff and his Meetings with Remarkable Men need to be included somehow. He did go to the Oxus/Amu Darya River.

Yes,how about some more on Gurdjieff.If I remember during the Russian civil war he left with his adepts,and traveled to somewhere in Persia.Was that Turkish land or Iran?I believe he was studying the sufi mysteries.:joyman:

Yes, he went to the Oxus River which was the Afghan border I think. There are Sufi orders in extreme eastern Afghanistan, probably eslewhere too. Gurdjieff sort of left country names out as I recall, but gave enough placenames to follow along somewhat. And didn't he organize an expedition to the Gobi which ended in someone being fatally bitten by a wild camel? I need to track his routes down somehow. I wonder if he went through Kafiristan. I remember something about him painting swallows to sell as canaries in Boukhara when he ran out of money!

Jan Klimkowski
11-20-2009, 07:46 PM
I'm fairly certain that the Red Army did find a group of Tibetan adepts in Berlin in 1945, having researched this story over the years.
... A recent archaeological dig in the Ukraine discovered SS skeletons showing clear evidence of trepination in a sacred Scythian graveyard. The speculative interpretation is that the Ahnenerbe were drilling for evidence of the Third Eye inside the skulls of the "pure Aryans" of the SS.

:bandit:

Any idea how many Tibetans were found dead in Berlin in 1945? Also, why were the archaeologists sure it was trepination and not systemtic blows or bullets to the head? Was the "Scythian graveyard" a collection of kurgans?


The Ahnenerbe on the Steppes material comes from an article in Pravda circa 2002. Obviously not entirely reliable, but it's a fairly bizarre and esoteric subject to bother lying about 2002.


Ukrainian workers found strange graves at a construction in one of the towns in the south of Ukraine. The graves were found at a depth of two or two and a half meters.

At first, they thought that it was an ancient Scythian graveyard. Then, someone saw a medallion of a German soldier in one of the coffins. The finding was a grave of German soldiers. However, when archeologists arrived to the site, they were shocked with what they saw. Some of the human skeletons in the grave had their spines sawn lengthwise. Some of them did not have heads, while others had skull trepanation. Other skeletons had little holes drilled in their cannon-bones. After that, there were tens of other graves found. They were all covered with lime and calcium chloride. Some of the human remains preserved the vestiges of chemical impact. Someone was trying to find a “third eye” in the heads of several officers: their skulls were opened in several places.

Experts determined that the found graves were the vestiges of Ahnenerbe’s activities. This was the most secret organization of the Third Reich. The people of the true Aryan race were its victims. Ahnenerbe’s doctors believed that medical tests and experiments were supposed to eventually result in a new breed of a human being.

There was other material suggesting that the site was found near a Scythian Royal Kurgan, and that SS memorabilia was discovered in the graves.

It's unclear whether any laboratory testing for age/epoch was undertaken, but the use of lime and calcium chloride to cover the bodies suggests relatively modern burial.

I'm attaching a photo that Pravda said was taken by an archaeologist at the site. It's not evidence of trepanation.

However, it's most certainly not evidence for bullet wounds either... :smokin:

Helen Reyes
11-20-2009, 10:12 PM
Jan: ghastly. It could also be a post-war torture scene, with an SS ritual as good enough cover. Or it could be what the Ukrainians reported, but it does sound a wee bit sensational. I'd like to see more physical evidence, medallions and so on. If it's a single SS belt buckle, that could've fallen off while Jews were being butchered in sadistic ways by Nazis.

David: the first link in your post mentions Ebionites and the second mentions archbishop of Lyons, St. Ennemond. This is significant for catharism. The Ebionites were an early gnostic sect. GRS Mead in Fragments of a Faith Forgotten devotes a chapter to them:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/gno/fff/fff13.htm



THE EBIONITES.
Epiphanius would have it that the Christians were first called Iessći, and says they are mentioned under this name in the writings of Philo. The followers of the earliest converts of Jesus are also said to have been called Nazorći. Even towards the end of the fourth century the Nazorćans were still found scattered throughout Cśle-Syria, Decapolis, Pella (whither they fled at the destruction of Jerusalem), the region beyond Jordan, and far away to Mesopotamia. Their collection of the logoi was called The Gospel according to the Hebrews, and differed greatly from the synoptic accounts of the Canon. Even to this day a remnant of the Nazorćans is said by some to survive in the Mandaďtes, a strange sect dwelling in the marshes of Southern Babylonia, but their curious scripture, The Book of Adam, as preserved in the Codex Nasarćus, bears no resemblance whatever to the known fragments of The Gospel according to the Hebrews, though some of their rites are very similar to the rites of some communities of the "Righteous" referred to in that strange Jewish pseudepigraph The Sibylline Oracles.

Who the original Iessćans or Nazorćans were, is wrapped in the greatest obscurity; under another of their designations, however, the Ebionites or "Poor Men," we can obtain some further information. These early outer followers of Jesus were finally ostracized from the orthodox fold, and so completely

[p. 127]

were their origin and history obscured by the subsequent industry of heresy-hunters, that we finally find them fathered on a certain Ebion, who is as non-existent as several other heretics, such as Epiphanes, Kolarbasus and Elkesai, who were invented by the zeal and ignorance of fourth-century hćresiologists and "historians." ... The Ebionites were originally so called because they were "poor"; the later orthodox subsequently added "in
intelligence" or "in their ideas about Christ." ...

The great anti-gnostic heresiologist also happened to be archbishop of Lyons, Iranaeus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranaeus), but around 400 years earlier than St. Ennemond. You probably know about the Egyptian motifs in certain early Christian churches in the south of France. So you've got a group of Franciscans calling themselves Ebionites supposedly guarding the arma Christi in France and the theory that the Third Reich had something with which to blackmail the Vatican into compliance.

And then to tie it back into Jan's Ukrainian report, there's that Templar legend about John the Baptist's skull in Jerusalem, in some underground chamber under the Temple Mount, with the hint that the human skull is the Grail, with the implication that human sacrifice is involved in the Grail quest. There's some kind of inner coherence in that, but I'm not sure where the truth hides.

Well, just to mix it up some more, I just ran across this: Taeufer, Johannes - Vril - Die Kosmische Urkraft (1930, 25 S.).pdf (http://nsl-server.com/Buecher/Bis-1945/Taeufer,%20Johannes%20-%20Vril%20-%20Die%20Kosmische%20Urkraft%20(1930,%2025%20S.).p df)

David Guyatt
11-21-2009, 10:17 AM
The motif of John the Baptists skull is extensive, as is the Templar "talking head" skull Baphomet. Then we have another female skull that features in Southern France and, of course, not to forget the crystal skulls of current fame. And on it goes.

My own conclusion is that the skull recurs so often because it is a wonderfully gripping occult symbol. I am also convinced that its actual significance is that it is the Grail "cup", the alchemists alembic etc. In other words it an initiatic cipher of the " Great Work" -- the human ability to expand consciousness as a consequence of its journey to Hades/the centre of the Earth and so on. Since this journey and achievement can only be achieved inside the skull, it is a perfect symbolic fit.

I have been interested in the Black Madonnas of Southern France for some time and the Egyptian connection you speak of Helen, may well connect to the centre of Gypsy faith at the fortified church of Notre Dame de la Mer in the Carmargue. Although not recognized by the Vatican, Sara is depicted as having black skin and is said to have been Egyptian. Of course one can also trace Gypsies back to their Egyptian origins so the whole thing comes full circle. It seems an obvious conclusion that Sara is actually Isis in another guise (see HERE (http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?
section=104&article=36930)).

It is indeed most interest that Himmler's personal wizard, Nazi Satanist Karl Maria Wiligut claimed to be the King of the Gypsies and used to attend the annual gatherings linked above and was, apparently, well known at them.

I wonder if the creed of the Ebionites or "Poor Men" were adopted in some sense by the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon, more commonly known as the Knights Templars? Both were very active in the very same part of France as were the Cathars and the composed fable we know as the Priory of Sion.

Of course there would actually need to be the physical historical personage of Jesus Christ for the Nazorćans to follow, and I am unconvinced that what we nowadays regard as JC actually did live and breath (however, that there was a "wise man" named Joshua Ben Joseph I don't really doubt but also don't know very much about to argue the toss either). But that is not to say that the compound story of JC is not a remarkable occult/alchemical cipher in its own right that deserves much attention and even more understanding.

Jan Klimkowski
11-21-2009, 11:24 AM
Jan: ghastly. It could also be a post-war torture scene, with an SS ritual as good enough cover. Or it could be what the Ukrainians reported, but it does sound a wee bit sensational. I'd like to see more physical evidence, medallions and so on. If it's a single SS belt buckle, that could've fallen off while Jews were being butchered in sadistic ways by Nazis.



Helen - I have a great uncle who was most probably executed by the NKVD at Katyn, along with around 22,000 other Poles. Of course, for decades, the USSR blamed this on the Nazis, and British governments from Churchill's to Thatcher's, played along with this Soviet propaganda.

So, I examine all Soviet reports about the provenance of mass graves in the Steppes with deep scepticism.

However, this was Ukrainian reporting through Pravda in 2002, so the control mechanisms of the NKVD and KGB and the Soviet Communist Party are less of a factor than previously.

If the bodies are from the WW2 era, they are almost certain to be slavs or Germans, not Jews. They could be partisans butchered - by either side, with evidence left to blame the other.

If this was genuinely an SS medical experiment, and the Russians have long claimed that the Nazis saved much of their most brutal and unethical behaviour for the eastern front, then it is entirely plausible that it would be conducted on "aryan-looking" slavs, such as blond-haired Poles or Ukrainians. Or, alternately, on fallen SS soldiers.

There's not enough evidence to come to a definitive conclusion. However, speculatively, an Ahnenerbe medical unit could have been tasked with the grisly business of investigating the anatomical details of the "purest of the pure", SS corpses, for - shall we say - physical curiosities.

Magda Hassan
11-21-2009, 12:13 PM
Perhaps the Pravda journalist could be emailed for more information? Do you have the name or email contact?

Helen Reyes
11-21-2009, 12:38 PM
Helen - I have a great uncle who was most probably executed by the NKVD at Katyn, along with around 22,000 other Poles. Of course, for decades, the USSR blamed this on the Nazis, and British governments from Churchill's to Thatcher's, played along with this Soviet propaganda.

Yes, Jan. I hope this isn't presumptious, but I figured you knew about all the the permutations and possibilites a la Katyn, based solely on your Polish name.


However, this was Ukrainian reporting through Pravda in 2002, so the control mechanisms of the NKVD and KGB and the Soviet Communist Party are less of a factor than previously.

Sure, but there's retribution by locals as a possibility too, I know some very bloody revenge was taken on Nazis in the Ukraine.


If the bodies are from the WW2 era, they are almost certain to be slavs or Germans, not Jews. They could be partisans butchered - by either side, with evidence left to blame the other.

This is the only part I didn't get: why couldn't they be Jewish? Not all Jews were murdered at Babi Yar, and there were plenty of Jewish partisans.

I'm not sure one way or the other, of course, but I'm sure curious what it was really about. Pravda isn't infallible either, I've seen a lot of sensational stuff in Pravda and other Russian newspapers. Very interesting it was next to the kurgan or kurgans. Marija Gimbutas the Lithuanian anthropologist at UCLA I think, made a lot of noise about kurgans being Scythian and proto-Indo-European, but a lot of her work is purely speculative and sometimes even simple circular reasoning based on very little physical evidence. There is another school of thought that thinks the Steppe was Kipchak long before it was Sarmatian, Cimmerian, Scythian, Roxani or Slavic. The Kipchak turks gave rise to the kingdom of Khazaria in Ukraine, but originally hailed from somewhere east of the Caspian (ancient geographers give us multiple Khazarias, just as there were three Indias, ranged roughly west to east).

Helen Reyes
11-21-2009, 01:12 PM
The motif of John the Baptists skull is extensive, as is the Templar "talking head" skull Baphomet. Then we have another female skull that features in Southern France and, of course, not to forget the crystal skulls of current fame. And on it goes.

And then there's Pope Sylvester II's oracle computer skull thing (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_council9_03.htm).


Examples of the Nine Unknown Men making contact with the outer world are rare. There was, however, the extraordinary case of one of the most mysterious figures in Western history: the Pope Sylvester II, known also by the name of Gerbert d’Aurillac. Born in the Auvergne in 920 (d. 1003) Gerbert was a Benedictine monk, professor at the University of Rheims, Archbishop of Ravenna and Pope by the grace of Otho III. He is supposed to have spent some time in Spain, after which a mysterious voyage brought him to India where he is reputed to have acquired various kinds of skills which stupefied his entourage.

For example, he possessed in his palace a bronze head which answered Yes or No to questions put to it on politics or the general position of Christianity. [cf. "Max the Crystal Skull (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_craneos_cristal_1.htm#max)" of current notoriety -B:.B:.] According to Sylvester II this was a perfectly simple operation corresponding to a two-figure calculation, and was performed by an automaton similar to our modem binary machines. This "magic" head was destroyed when Sylvester died, and all the information it imparted carefully concealed. No doubt an authorized research worker would come across some surprising things in the Vatican Library.

In the cybernetics journal, Computers and Automation of October 1954, the following comment appeared:


"We must suppose that he (Sylvester) was possessed of extraordinary knowledge and the most remarkable mechanical skill and inventiveness. This speaking head must have been fashioned ’under a certain conjunction of stars occurring at the exact moment when all the planets were starting on their courses.’ Neither the past, nor the present nor the future entered into it, since this invention apparently far exceeded in its scope its rival, the perverse ’mirror on the wall’ of the Queen, the precursor of our modern electronic brain. Naturally, it was widely asserted that Gerbert was only able to produce such a machine because he was in league with the Devil and had sworn eternal allegiance to him."



I have been interested in the Black Madonnas of Southern France for some time and the Egyptian connection you speak of Helen, may well connect to the centre of Gypsy faith at the fortified church of Notre Dame de la Mer in the Carmargue.

It's a very plain, masonry church I saw on some Templar special on Discovery or National Geographic once. It should be in the west of Luangedoc somewhere. The bay you mention is where the Cathars say Jesus and Mary reached France by boat.


Although not recognized by the Vatican, Sara is depicted as having black skin and is said to have been Egyptian. Of course one can also trace Gypsies back to their Egyptian origins so the whole thing comes full circle. ...

The last word in Gypsy research I heard put them as natives of Punjab or somewhere in modern India (Rajastan?), but I have to wonder:

LOC Country Studies Afghanistan - Chapter 2 The Society and Environment - Ethnic Groups - Other Groups - Jat (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/aftoc.html)

Afghanistan
Jat

There are other small marginal communities of occupational specialists based in eastern Afghanistan in provinces such as Laghman. They are commonly referred to as Jat which is a generic term indiscriminately applied by others with derogatory connotations implying low descent and low occupations. The groups reject the term and refer to themselves by specific names. Of Mediterranean-Indian type physically, speaking Indo-Aryan dialects in addition to Pashto and Dari, they are primarily gypsy-like itinerant petty traders, bangle sellers, fortune-tellers, musicians, jugglers, snake-charmers and performers with animals such as bears and monkeys. Some are specialized craftsmen, working as weavers, potters, sievemakers, knife-makers, and leather-workers. Some hire out as seasonal itinerant farm laborers. They rank lowest on the social scale and are stigmatized by many in the society.

Data as of 1997


It is indeed most interest that Himmler's personal wizard, Nazi Satanist Karl Maria Wiligut claimed to be the King of the Gypsies and used to attend the annual gatherings linked above and was, apparently, well known at them.

Hmm. Two points: "King of the Gypsies" is a title held by mutiple people simultaneously, it refers to the leader of a single band or group, traditionally. The other is the notion that Gypsies were inhabitants for a time in Agartha, and Fred Crisman's association with them, and early alien contact reports and MIBs describing swarthy Gypsy-type men.


I wonder if the creed of the Ebionites or "Poor Men" were adopted in some sense by the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon, more commonly known as the Knights Templars? Both were very active in the very same part of France as were the Cathars and the composed fable we know as the Priory of Sion.

That's what I was thinking. You can't gainsay the notion the Templars really did receive an early Christian Gnostic text in Alexandria either; the Masonic lore records it, and such manuscripts existed namely there. According to Mead the early Ebionites were strictly Jewish Christians and were banned from Jerusalem for being Jews by the Romans when they rechristened the Jewish capital. The Alexandrian gnostics who were more likely to persist underground until the Middle Ages would be Carpocratians perhaps or some further configuration of thought that is unrecorded.

Of course there would actually need to be the physical historical personage of Jesus Christ for the Nazorćans to follow, and I am unconvinced that what we nowadays regard as JC actually did live and breath (however, that there was a "wise man" named Joshua Ben Joseph I don't really doubt but also don't know very much about to argue the toss either). But that is not to say that the compound story of JC is not a remarkable occult/alchemical cipher in its own right that deserves much attention and even more understanding.[/QUOTE]

From the gnostic perspective the outer exoteric church, or corpus of believers, were unable to perceive the inner teaching, and had to be taught with parables and fables really. The birth story of Jesus and his living in Nazareth is probably made of whole cloth, pure fable. Nazir is a priestly office in the Mandaean religion, it's the first phase of priestcraft I think, like an acolyte priest. He's supposed to separate himself from the world for 40 days or something very much like Jesus's temptations in the wilderness. I'm not certain but I think nazir is related to the Arabic word for reader, someone who reads. Nazareth is just a way to explain away why Jesus was called Nazoraean by earlier Christians. Betheleham is a connexion with the Book of Ruth I believe, the "make-it-so" school of Christian Old Testament prophetical exegesis.

Chris Bowen
11-21-2009, 04:19 PM
the following text refers to something that this thread has reminded me of , from the following book by a former adviser to Hitler :

Wagener, O. (1985). Hitler—Memoirs of a Confidant (Henry Ashby Turner, Jr. Ed.). (Ruth Hein, Trans.). London: Yale University Press. (Original work published 1978)

It appears that Hitler did approve of close and affectionate relations between older and younger men, and found a compelling theory to legitimize this in Karl von Reichenbach’s half-baked ideas on personal magnetism, or “Odic force,” as
Reichenbach termed it in the mid-nineteenth century.

Otto Wagener describes how Hitler became positively thrilled as the former
explained Reichenbach’s scheme—“Hitler grasped my arm and looked at me as if he were facing a glittering Christmas tree.” What had caught Hitler’s imagination so
immediately?
Reichenbach postulated that there was an actual, magnetic, “Odic force” that humans produced, most strongly when they were young. The old could produce only inadequate amounts of the force, but they were able to soak up the overproduction of the young through contact with them, though only if both parties were compatible (—the force did not flow randomly). Hitler did not understand this necessarily to be physical contact, but he did view the flow of these magnetic waves as the very key to the success of any military or para-military unit. The officer and his men ideally formed an “Odic community.” The same would be true for the Nazi Party as well: “Wagener, the mystery of the political organization and the organization of the SA has been solved! It’s not racially determined, it’s grounded in this problem!” The more Hitler thought about it, the more he became convinced that he had felt this Odic force: “…it’s the same when I spend time with young men. I have always said that I draw strength to continue my work from the beaming eyes of my young storm troopers. It’s the very same thing.”

Countless contemporaries have reported the mesmerizing effect of Hitler’s
staring deeply into their eyes. And that is the extent to which one would expect the
intimacy to go, given the later homophobia of the Nazi state. But in 1930 Hitler
apparently gave a cautious endorsement to more physical contact. He had rushed off to read Reichenbach’s book, and reported to Wagener that he was applying the ideas to his own thinking. Speaking explicitly of the attraction that young men and boys must feel for a suitably creative older man to whom they wish to transmit their surplus Odic force, the Nazi leader stated: “In my judgment, this has nothing to do with sex. But since the transference of Od energies occurs with greater force and more immediately through physical touch—shaking hands, caressing, even kissing—the urgency of the Od contact also releases a desire for this kind of touch.” Hitler did not consider this inappropriate, as long as it did not deteriorate into a sexual encounter, and there he drew a definite line: “It seems to me all the more abominable if the older man allows this cuddling on the part of the younger man to seduce him into lewd acts or even to go so far as to exploit him for that purpose.” The extraordinary point about this remark is that Hitler does not seem to view a clearly erotic embrace between two men to be reprehensible per se. It was simply a means through which to stimulate the flow of Odic waves.

http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/publications/occasional/2002-04/paper.pdf (http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/publications/occasional/2002-04/paper.pdf)

Helen Reyes
11-21-2009, 04:59 PM
Yes,how about some more on Gurdjieff.If I remember during the Russian civil war he left with his adepts,and traveled to somewhere in Persia.Was that Turkish land or Iran?I believe he was studying the sufi mysteries.:joyman:

Hmm, I didn't find any itineraries for Gurdjieff, but this is interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Bennett

Idries Shah

While the educational work was progressing, Bennett learned of Idries Shah, an exponent of Naqshbandi Sufism. When they met, Shah presented Bennett with a document supporting his claim to represent the 'Guardians of the Tradition'. Bennett and other followers of Gurdjieff's ideas were astonished to meet a man claiming to represent what Gurdjieff had called 'The Inner Circle of Humanity', something they had discussed for so long without hope of its concrete manifestation.

This is undoubtedly the Sarmoung Brotherhood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmoung_Brotherhood) Gurdjieff sought to contact in Central Asia, and claimed he had, I'm fairly sure.

It would be fun to speculate Sarmoung originates in some corruption of Sarnath, which is both a city in India and the city in Arabia Petra in Lovecraft's The Doom that Came to Sarnath, (and there is another connection here: Lovecraft wrote it was located near the Pillars or Irem, which turn up in Shah's work and are apparently an authentic tradition of a lost city or civilization located in the Empty Quarter in Arabia), but it might just as well be a corruption or alternate form of Shakyamuni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakyamuni), see Shakya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakya) and compare with Bön (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bön), Tagzig Olmo Lung Ring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagzig_Olmo_Lung_Ring) and Mount Kailash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kailash). This seems a better fit for what Gurdjieff is talking about.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Kailash_north.JPG/800px-Kailash_north.JPG

John G. Bennett was the founder of a Gurdjieffian schookl in England, knew him personally, and had performed various intelligence and diplomatic functions in Turkey, including issuing a visa to Kemal Ataturk. His school at Coombe Springs, an estate in Kingston upon Thames, Surrey, eventually gave its name to a publishing venture which published, among other things, Sufi, Mulsim and Traditionalist Rene Guenon's Lord of the World, a book about the secret ruler and/or rulers of the world in Central Asia and the fusion of temporal and spiritual power in a single monarch.

Probably coincidentally, "Gurdjieff established the Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man south of Paris at the Prieuré des Basses Loges in Fontainebleau-Avon near the famous Château de Fontainebleau. Gurdjieff acquired notoriety after Katherine Mansfield died there of tuberculosis under his care on 9 January 1923." This was the favorite haunt of French/Lithuanian symbolist, poet, Catholic Traditionalist Oskar Wladyslaw de Lubicz Milosz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Milosz), who used to speak to the bird there, by his own account, and died on the eve of World War II there in 1939. Gurdjieff went on to live through the German occupation of France. Milosz was concerned exactly with the those aspects of spiritual and temporal power Guenon was (a symptom of the age?) but believed the Pontiff as the builder of bridges would eventually rule over a renewed world based on Catholic science.

It's interesting the Milosz's cousin Czeslaw Milosz, the Nobel Prize Winner in 1980 for his 1953 work The Captive Mind, devotes a lot of that book to retelling a novel (Insatiability by Stanis?aw Ignacy Witkiewicz) about the Murti-Bing pill, a sort of instant gratification medication from the Orient, and connects it with the importation of Asian religion into Christian Europe at the expense of the ancien regime. Czeslaw Milosz connects this directly with Nazi flirtations with Buddhism, iirc. Nominally his book is about the effect of Marxist-Leninist doctrine on the populations of the Soviet satellites.

Captive Mind... Mind Control,... hmmm. Great White Brotherhods, the Mahatma Panel, Sarmoung Brotherhoods, renegade sufis in Eastern Afghanistan...

In Exegetic Notes to The Poem of the Arcana, Verse 81 The Tool Bag, Oskar Milosz explains:


In the commentary to verse 56 we have mentioned one of the most peculiar events of antiquity, the Persian communist revolution of Mazdek, a disciple of Mani. The Medes and the Persians were Indo-Europeans. Their native country was neither the Susiana of the Achaemenids, nor the mountainous region of the Parthians. Before they invaded these areas and founded their empires there, they had, for thousands of years, led a nomadic existence on the steppes of mysterious southern Russia, a land which in the night of prehistory seems to have influenced decisively the destiny of the Aryan race ... Were the "mushki" of Asia Minor simply Muzhiki? ... To come back to Mazdek and his communism, could it not be simply an attempt to return to the natural system of the Scythians, a system which, under the form of "mir," has survived until the present throughout the entire Muscovite empire, offering prepared ground for the Bolsheviks' social reform? Russian Communism is as old as Russia itself. Western Communism, a new and perhaps temporary form of theocratic Monarchy whose universal rule seems to us inevitable, certainly will be very different from Scythian bolshevism characterized by a double, Mongolian and Orthodox, imprint, as well as by a centuries-old tradition of groveling before German pedantry.

The East no longer has anything to offer us. ...
(The Noble Traveller, O. V. de L. Milosz, 1985, Lindisfarne Press, West Stockbridge, Massachusetts, pp. 371-372)

The concept of mir as the original social unit, akin to a commune, of the Slavs was a favorite idea of early 20th century pan-Slavicists. The word also means world, and peace, in Russian. In Central Asia it can be a temporal and/or spiritual leader, and is usually thought to derive from Arabic, as in emir. The semantic node covers a lot: cosmos, society, order, leader. I like to think Pamir is related, pa- meaning geographically proximate, so that the Pa-mir is the Edge of the World, or perhaps at the edge of the great ice sheet, and, at the same time, the sole village is the entire extent of the known world, or at least of society. But that last bit is pure speculation.

Helen Reyes
11-21-2009, 05:08 PM
the following text refers to something that this thread has reminded me of , from the following book by a former adviser to Hitler :..

I can't help thinking Vril stands in for virility, Odin Force is Orgone Energy and the abbreviation Od lies somewhere between the Id and Oedipus :)

David Guyatt
11-21-2009, 06:39 PM
the following text refers to something that this thread has reminded me of , from the following book by a former adviser to Hitler :

Wagener, O. (1985). Hitler—Memoirs of a Confidant (Henry Ashby Turner, Jr. Ed.). (Ruth Hein, Trans.). London: Yale University Press. (Original work published 1978)

It appears that Hitler did approve of close and affectionate relations between older and younger men, and found a compelling theory to legitimize this in Karl von Reichenbach’s half-baked ideas on personal magnetism, or “Odic force,” as
Reichenbach termed it in the mid-nineteenth century.

Otto Wagener describes how Hitler became positively thrilled as the former
explained Reichenbach’s scheme—“Hitler grasped my arm and looked at me as if he were facing a glittering Christmas tree.” What had caught Hitler’s imagination so
immediately?
Reichenbach postulated that there was an actual, magnetic, “Odic force” that humans produced, most strongly when they were young. The old could produce only inadequate amounts of the force, but they were able to soak up the overproduction of the young through contact with them, though only if both parties were compatible (—the force did not flow randomly). Hitler did not understand this necessarily to be physical contact, but he did view the flow of these magnetic waves as the very key to the success of any military or para-military unit. The officer and his men ideally formed an “Odic community.” The same would be true for the Nazi Party as well: “Wagener, the mystery of the political organization and the organization of the SA has been solved! It’s not racially determined, it’s grounded in this problem!” The more Hitler thought about it, the more he became convinced that he had felt this Odic force: “…it’s the same when I spend time with young men. I have always said that I draw strength to continue my work from the beaming eyes of my young storm troopers. It’s the very same thing.”

Countless contemporaries have reported the mesmerizing effect of Hitler’s
staring deeply into their eyes. And that is the extent to which one would expect the
intimacy to go, given the later homophobia of the Nazi state. But in 1930 Hitler
apparently gave a cautious endorsement to more physical contact. He had rushed off to read Reichenbach’s book, and reported to Wagener that he was applying the ideas to his own thinking. Speaking explicitly of the attraction that young men and boys must feel for a suitably creative older man to whom they wish to transmit their surplus Odic force, the Nazi leader stated: “In my judgment, this has nothing to do with sex. But since the transference of Od energies occurs with greater force and more immediately through physical touch—shaking hands, caressing, even kissing—the urgency of the Od contact also releases a desire for this kind of touch.” Hitler did not consider this inappropriate, as long as it did not deteriorate into a sexual encounter, and there he drew a definite line: “It seems to me all the more abominable if the older man allows this cuddling on the part of the younger man to seduce him into lewd acts or even to go so far as to exploit him for that purpose.” The extraordinary point about this remark is that Hitler does not seem to view a clearly erotic embrace between two men to be reprehensible per se. It was simply a means through which to stimulate the flow of Odic waves.

http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/publications/occasional/2002-04/paper.pdf (http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/publications/occasional/2002-04/paper.pdf)

Chris, in the event you haven't read it there is a very interesting book on Nazi buggery, or what we would today call homosexual paedophilia that was rampant throughout the Nazi Party and especially in its early enforcer outfit, the Brownshirts. Indeed, the chief of the Brownshirts, Ernest Roehm, was a very active players in these "manly" games.

The book is called "The Pink Swastika" by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams and is well worth reading imo.

David Guyatt
11-21-2009, 07:03 PM
Yes,how about some more on Gurdjieff.If I remember during the Russian civil war he left with his adepts,and traveled to somewhere in Persia.Was that Turkish land or Iran?I believe he was studying the sufi mysteries.:joyman:

Hmm, I didn't find any itineraries for Gurdjieff, but this is interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Bennett

Idries Shah

While the educational work was progressing, Bennett learned of Idries Shah, an exponent of Naqshbandi Sufism. When they met, Shah presented Bennett with a document supporting his claim to represent the 'Guardians of the Tradition'. Bennett and other followers of Gurdjieff's ideas were astonished to meet a man claiming to represent what Gurdjieff had called 'The Inner Circle of Humanity', something they had discussed for so long without hope of its concrete manifestation.


This may be slightly off topic so please forgive me.

Many years ago now, as a young City acolyte, I was poached by animator Richard Williams to run the day to day matters of his London studio. I was employed to replace the brother of Idries Shah, namely Omar, who Dick believed had spelled him or otherwise gained a deep control of him. That at least was the story Dick told me at the time. Prior to my arrival Omar had run the studio with an iron fist apparently and Dick was clearly terrified of him. For years Dick had cherished a major film project he called "The Thief" which was loosely based on Idries Shah books on the Mulla Nasrudin. This ambition only came close to fruition after he made the Disney film Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but ultimately failed (http://en.allexperts.com/e/t/th/the_thief_and_the_cobbler.htm).

My time with the studio lasted, as I recall, exactly 28 days. On that 28th day I arrived in my office - previously Omar's - wet to sit in my comfy executive chair - also previously Omar's - to find a letter with a cheque for 3 months pay and a polite letter asking me to fuck off. Dick was in hiding.

Being young and daft I had earlier had the stupidity to honestly answer a question asked by Dick what I thought of his pet Thief film after he showed me the rushes of it. I told him I thought the character was flat and one dimensional. Bad move. :burnout:

What fun life is.

And how often these curious synchronicities turn up.

Okay, sorry for that trip down memory lane. Now back to the matters in hand.

David Guyatt
11-21-2009, 07:26 PM
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It's interesting the Milosz's cousin Czeslaw Milosz, the Nobel Prize Winner in 1980 for his 1953 work The Captive Mind, devotes a lot of that book to retelling a novel (Insatiability by Stanis?aw Ignacy Witkiewicz) about the Murti-Bing pill, a sort of instant gratification medication from the Orient, and connects it with the importation of Asian religion into Christian Europe at the expense of the ancien regime. Czeslaw Milosz connects this directly with Nazi flirtations with Buddhism, iirc. Nominally his book is about the effect of Marxist-Leninist doctrine on the populations of the Soviet satellites.


(My bolding)

I imagine (but certainly don't know) this is equivalent to the "pill of immortality" of Taoist alchemy that is aimed at sublimating the libido towards greater consciousness-spiritual growth (much like the abstemious practices of Catholic monks) and which I believe had it origins (like Chinese Shoalin Temple martial arts) in India, and which almost certainly equates to Arabic and European Alchemy in the production of the wondrous elixir/Philosophers Stone.

What this thread is telling me is that there is a common fountainhead to all these subjects and that the passionate hunt over untold decades for the underlying truth and knowledge of them is imbedded in the very nature of mankind.

But then as you all know, I am inclined to wax poetical in these subjects.:hmmmm2:

Helen Reyes
11-21-2009, 09:30 PM
David: Nasrudin aka Hasrudin is the famous sufi sage/mystic/jokester. If memory serves his real life personality was from Afghanistan or nearby. The famous sayings all come back in a rush: Nasrudin instructs his students to ride on a horse sitting backwards into the desert without thinking of the horse's left eye. Or one day Nasrudin walks into a shop, walks up to the proprietor and asks "Have you ever seen me before in your life?" "No, sir!" "Then how do you know it's me??" etc etc.

On Murti-Bing, I think Milosz said exactly what you did about it being the Taoist pill of immortality (ma huang and ginkgo pits/silver apricots aren't good enough for them I guess), but I don't have a copy of his book handy to check.

I thought Roger Rabbit was horrible, incidentally, and never understood why it got so much praise. Unless of course you happened to work on it, in which case it was a fine film, perhaps overly ambitious, but not my cupa. :)

Magda Hassan
11-22-2009, 01:52 AM
Chris, in the event you haven't read it there is a very interesting book on Nazi buggery, or what we would today call homosexual paedophilia that was rampant throughout the Nazi Party and especially in its early enforcer outfit, the Brownshirts. Indeed, the chief of the Brownshirts, Ernest Roehm, was a very active players in these "manly" games.

The book is called "The Pink Swastika" by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams and is well worth reading imo.

Here it is:
http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13743&posted=1#post13743

David Guyatt
11-22-2009, 10:03 AM
I thought Roger Rabbit was horrible, incidentally, and never understood why it got so much praise. Unless of course you happened to work on it, in which case it was a fine film, perhaps overly ambitious, but not my cupa. :)

I had left Dick Studio well before he made Roger Rabbit and, sadly, returned to the City -- and my best friend who was a principal animator there had also left to set up his own studio.

So yes, it wuz 'orrible! :dancing2:

Helen Reyes
11-22-2009, 01:40 PM
Thanks, Magda! My friends in Austria who do "Queer Studies" at an academic level are going to love that, if they don't know it already!

David, so this Omar Shah character had the power to mesmerize or do some kind of mind control on others? Does this relate to the money Mr. Williams said went missing? And how did he get onto the Nasruddin track, was that his own idea or was it suggested to him?

Sorry if this is too personal, but I think it completely relates to the topic.

Also, one of Puharich's friends from Netherlands wrote a biography to try to rehabilitate him, from what accusations I'm not sure, but there it is. Interesting enough, the biographer changes the name of one rich Puharich patroness whom I'm pretty sure Puharich names by name in Sacred Mushroom. She was one the Nine, which, according to my thesis, were the transplantation of the Mahatmas/Sarmoung/Kings of Agartha/Shakyas/the ancient Indian Nine into the American paradigm of the 1950s, as aliens in UFOs, ultimately for MK purposes.

I'll see if these are attachable.

Yes they are, but sacredmushroom.zip.txt needs to renamed sacredmushroom.zip, it contains a plain text html page sans images.

David Guyatt
11-22-2009, 03:11 PM
Thanks, Magda! My friends in Austria who do "Queer Studies" at an academic level are going to love that, if they don't know it already!

David, so this Omar Shah character had the power to mesmerize or do some kind of mind control on others? Does this relate to the money Mr. Williams said went missing? And how did he get onto the Nasruddin track, was that his own idea or was it suggested to him?

Sorry if this is too personal, but I think it completely relates to the topic.

It's not too personal at all Helen. Yes, you're on the right track to the extent that Dick was certainly frightened, if not terrified, of Omar and during conversations it was clear he had had a very strong hold over him. I forget whether I knew or not about the money issue. I think I probably did and that this formed part of Dick's story to me. It was almost 40 years ago now...

It was a pity that I never met Omar as I was very interested to know what made him so frightful in Dick's eyes. I am sure that it was though Omar's brother Idries, that Dick got hooked on Nasruddin in the first place. And it became an all consuming passion for him.


Also, one of Puharich's friends from Netherlands wrote a biography to try to rehabilitate him, from what accusations I'm not sure, but there it is. Interesting enough, the biographer changes the name of one rich Puharich patroness whom I'm pretty sure Puharich names by name in Sacred Mushroom. She was one the Nine, which, according to my thesis, were the transplantation of the Mahatmas/Sarmoung/Kings of Agartha/Shakyas/the ancient Indian Nine into the American paradigm of the 1950s, as aliens in UFOs, ultimately for MK purposes.

This makes perfect sense to me.


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Helen Reyes
11-22-2009, 03:33 PM
I forget whether I knew or not about the money issue. I think I probably did and that this formed part of Dick's story to me. It was almost 40 years ago now...

I just happened to notice it on the link (http://en.allexperts.com/e/t/th/the_thief_and_the_cobbler.htm) you posted:


In 1972, Williams had a falling-out with the Shah family. It has been reported that the late producer Omar Shah was conducting unscrupulous business practices for his own gain.

It sort of sounds to me like Omar Shah got Richard Williams to OK some money for something Williams didn't really want to spend it on, and when Mr. Williams asked himself "Why did I do that?" he didn't have an answer, except for Omar's compelling eyes. Or maybe Omar Shah was simply embezzling? Interesting.

Magda Hassan
12-01-2009, 11:37 AM
I have been interested in the Black Madonnas of Southern France for some time and the Egyptian connection you speak of Helen, may well connect to the centre of Gypsy faith at the fortified church of Notre Dame de la Mer in the Carmargue.

It's a very plain, masonry church I saw on some Templar special on Discovery or National Geographic once. It should be in the west of Luangedoc somewhere. The bay you mention is where the Cathars say Jesus and Mary reached France by boat.



The last word in Gypsy research I heard put them as natives of Punjab or somewhere in modern India (Rajastan?), but I have to wonder:

LOC Country Studies Afghanistan - Chapter 2 The Society and Environment - Ethnic Groups - Other Groups - Jat (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/aftoc.html)

Afghanistan
Jat

There are other small marginal communities of occupational specialists based in eastern Afghanistan in provinces such as Laghman. They are commonly referred to as Jat which is a generic term indiscriminately applied by others with derogatory connotations implying low descent and low occupations. The groups reject the term and refer to themselves by specific names. Of Mediterranean-Indian type physically, speaking Indo-Aryan dialects in addition to Pashto and Dari, they are primarily gypsy-like itinerant petty traders, bangle sellers, fortune-tellers, musicians, jugglers, snake-charmers and performers with animals such as bears and monkeys. Some are specialized craftsmen, working as weavers, potters, sievemakers, knife-makers, and leather-workers. Some hire out as seasonal itinerant farm laborers. They rank lowest on the social scale and are stigmatized by many in the society.

Data as of 1997
It is indeed most interest that Himmler's personal wizard, Nazi Satanist Karl Maria Wiligut claimed to be the King of the Gypsies and used to attend the annual gatherings linked above and was, apparently, well known at them.

Hmm. Two points: "King of the Gypsies" is a title held by mutiple people simultaneously, it refers to the leader of a single band or group, traditionally. The other is the notion that Gypsies were inhabitants for a time in Agartha, and Fred Crisman's association with them, and early alien contact reports and MIBs describing swarthy Gypsy-type men.

Linguistically they trace back to present day north west India/Pakistan possibly from the Jat people as the two groups share a hereditary disease related to glaucoma.

Latcho Drom - the story of Gypsy migration as filmed by a Gypsy told in music and dance:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47tom_latcho-drom-part-1_music
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47uqb_latcho-drom-part-2_music
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47v7b_latcho-drom-part-3_music
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47vps_latcho-drom-part-4_music
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47w7o_latcho-drom-part-5_music
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x48jw5_latcho-drom-espagne_music

Helen Reyes
12-03-2009, 12:07 PM
Linguistically they trace back to present day north west India/Pakistan possibly from the Jat people as the two groups share a hereditary disease related to glaucoma.

Latcho Drom - the story of Gypsy migration as filmed by a Gypsy told in music and dance:



Wow! Great information! I'll have to watch those videos later, not enough space on the hard disk right now.

Stumbled across http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Besant , she was a sort of feminist/suffragette a la Emma Goldman (Marxist not anarchist though, with ties to Fabian Society) who met Blavatsky, travelled to India and eventually became president of Theosophy there, but caused a schism with the American chapter by disclosing that the "Mahatma Letters" the Americans had been sending were counterfeits. She used her authority to protect Leadbetter from child rape charges in India, and later she sconspired with him to kidnap Krishnamurti and his brothers, nominally because Leadbetter thought Krishnamurti had a very pure aura and was the Maitreya, actually probably so Leadbetter could molest the boys. The British authorities in India found against the boys' father when he sued for custody and they were raised in the Theosophy compound in Adyar, India.

Arrested for campaigning for Indian independence, freed after protests by the Muslim league and others, differed with Gandhi over socialism (?).

Keith Millea
12-03-2009, 06:43 PM
Helen,
Thanks for the backround info. on Besant and Leadbetter.It's new stuff for me. :wavey:

Magda Hassan
12-04-2009, 01:36 AM
Thanks again Helen, especially for the links. I had no idea that Gandhi was a big fan of Adolph. How surprising.


http://history.eserver.org/ghandi-nobody-knows.txt
The Gandhi Nobody Knows
Richard Grenier
Bearing in mind that Grenier is a neo-conservative it is an interesting article about Gandhi the movie and the man.

Helen Reyes
12-04-2009, 05:34 PM
Thank you, Magda. That was a fascinating read. I looked up Gandhi's letters to Hitler, apparently he wrote two, and the first one was intercepted and held by the British, and neither was all that friendly besides being polite. Mohandis calls Adolf his friend, says he's not a monster but should not act like one either in Sudetenland. He seems to think the Czechs should lie down and die for their country, just like he seems to think Jews should submit to Hitler, but doesn't go much beyond that.

If the Japanese had invaded India, I find it hard to believe Gandhi wouldn't have found an accomodation with them against the British, as Burma, Thailand, Indonesia used the Japanese invasion to throw off the European colonisers and declare a kind of independence. Mongolia apparently was also waiting for the Japanese liberation.

Keith Millea
12-04-2009, 06:46 PM
Helen,
My Theosophical trail led me in the direction of Alice A Bailey.I see that she is quite controversial these days also.I guess she and Annie Besant weren't the best of friends,but apparently Bailey had a higher regard for Leadbeater.:dontknow:

Wondering if you have any take on Alice Bailey.I realise that she and her work have been characterized as a product of the NWO.I'll link to her Wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey

Thanks

Helen Reyes
12-04-2009, 09:09 PM
Helen,
My Theosophical trail led me in the direction of Alice A Bailey.I see that she is quite controversial these days also.I guess she and Annie Besant weren't the best of friends,but apparently Bailey had a higher regard for Leadbeater.:dontknow:

Wondering if you have any take on Alice Bailey.I realise that she and her work have been characterized as a product of the NWO.I'll link to her Wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey

Thanks

Thank you, Keith, for the link. I read it over, but I have to confess that's the most I've ever read about Bailey. I have a bunch of her ebooks tucked away somewhere but never cracked them open. I remember hearing somewhere that some of the neo-fascists in Chile appreciate her stuff. My free associations on the Wikipedia material? OK, if you twist my arm :)

She sounds rabidly anti-Jew, probably started out that way as a preacher's wife (wasn't she?) and then had her conviction strengthened by some of the pseudo-gnostic anti-JHWHism rife in Theosophy. She sounds concerned with
hierarchy so much that her alleged heterodoxy re: thesophy doesn't ring very true. I suppose it was really more about personalities, the Indian Theosophy Adyar didn't accept her stuff and Bessant wasn't happy about the Mahatma Letters from America, perhaps sincerely channeled by American theosophists, while Bailey felt the Indian branch was playing politics instead of doing the Work. Just a guess based on the wiki material.

On the NWO: it sounds like Bailey's NWO would have race theory taught in primary schools, there would be no Jews and "Aryans" (Anglo-American WASPs) would have to assume a tutelary position to ensure the welfare of "the Negro" until his race reached parity.

All her talk about Servers made me remember that Twilight Zone episode. The aliens land in their craft and say they have a great book for mankind. All our problems are to be solved by this book. It is called To Serve Man. At the end of the episode, as humans are walking up ramps to the UFOs, one guy breaks loose or something and screams: "It's a cookbook!"

Maybe I'm being unfair to Bailey, I just don't know enough. I have met some JZ Knight people before. They didn't inspire me with a lot of confidence in their supposed powers.

What's your take on her, Keith?

Helen Reyes
12-06-2009, 05:42 PM
Alfred Percy Sinnett moved to India in 1879 and was the editor of The Pioneer, the leading English daily newspaper in India. He and his wife Patience hosted Henry Olcott and Helena Blavatksy at Allahabad and in Simla. He was the first (and only?) recipient of the Mahatma Letters from "Koot Hoomi" (a spiritual working name supposedly based on Tibetan) who was said to be a Punjabi educated in Britain, migrating in the area between Ladakh and Kashmir. K.H. was one of the Brothers of the Great White Brotherhood and agreed to carry on a correspondence with Sinnett after he applied through Blavatksy. HP Blavatsky's regular contacts in the Brotherhood were uninterested but KH agreed to it. This application process was carried on psychically by HPB.

Sinnett describes a number of strange events and psychic phenomena while HPB was present, including the conjuring of objects that were subsequently dug out of the ground where HPB instructed. She used coins, tobacco and cagarette papers to perform these things, and it is slightly reminiscient of some of the MIB activities reported by UFO contactees/witnesses. These events convinced him and others that HPB was not a charlatan, and that she was neither interested much in proving her authenticity.

As the editor of the major English paper, Sinnett was probably not as disinterested his book The Occult World would have it: he stood to profit from the sensation. The first chapters are interesting in several ways, in respect to the topic at hand. He describes HPB as early on in India being suspected of espionage for Russia. He also dismisses the American spelling conventions of his Mahatma, the Punjabi educated in Britain:


The language of the note given above embodied many little points which had a meaning for us. All through, it bore indirect reference to the conversation that had taken place at our dinner-table the previous evening. I had been talking of the little traces here and there which the long letters from Koot Hoomi bore, showing in spite of their splendid mastery over the language and the vigour of their style, a turn or two of expression that an Englishman would not have made use of; for example, in the form of address, which in the two letters already quoted had been tinged with Orientalism. "But what should he have written?" somebody asked, and I had said, "under similar circumstances an Englishman would probably have written simply: "My dear Brother." Then the allusion to the Kashmir Valley as the place from which
the letter was written, instead of from a Lodge, was au allusion to the same conversation; and the underlining of the "k" was another, as Madame Blavatsky had been saying that Koot Hoomi's spelling of "Scepticism" with a "k" was not an Americanism in his case, but due to a philological whim of his.

I'm still working through it, but here it is, if anyone else is interested, attached.

Helen Reyes
12-10-2009, 09:46 PM
One of the early Yellow Peril examples in weird fiction. Robert W. Chambers's The Moon Maker sets the stage for a subsequent crop of dreamlands situated "coterminously" with Central Asia and has been called the prototype for the Plateau of Leng used by the Weird Tales pool of writers, specifically H. P. Lovecraft. The Plateau of Leng is a thinly-disguised Tibet, whereas HPL's Kadath (first appears as Kadatheron) is a movable feast, appearing north of Inganok, a sort of stylized Greenland that specializes in marble quarrying located next to Plateau of Leng, but then jumping to the South Pole or at least Antarctica in At the Mountains of Madness.

R.K. Locke
03-17-2015, 09:52 PM
http://disinfo.com/2015/03/roerich-and-tibet-the-road-to-shambhala-can-take-some-very-surprising-turns/


Roerich and Tibet: The Road to Shambhala Can Take Some Very Surprising Turns

By Andrei Znamenski on March 17, 2015 in Art, News, Philosophy

Nicholas Roerich

In the fall of 1923, a peculiar sage-looking European appeared in Darjeeling in the northernmost part of India near the Tibetan border. A plump man with a round face and a small Mongol-styled beard, he moved and talked like a high dignitary. He announced that he was a painter, and, indeed, from time to time people could see him here and there with a sketchbook, drawing local landscapes.

Yet, even for an eccentric painter, he acted strangely. To begin with, he argued that he was an American, although he spoke English with a heavy Slavic accent. He also demonstrated a deep interest in Tibetan Buddhism, particularly in the Maitreya and Shambhala legends, which was not unusual—except that the painter had a ceremonial Dalai Lama robe made for himself and donned it occasionally, hinting he was the reincarnated fifth Dalai Lama, the famous reformer in early modern Tibet. His behavior raised the eyebrows of local authorities who passed this information along to the British intelligence service.

As strange as it might sound, the “sage” did strike a chord with some local Tibetan Buddhists, for several visiting lamas did in fact recognize him as the reincarnated Dalai Lama by the moles on his cheeks. At that time, no one except a few close relatives and disciples of the painter knew that he had formed a grand plan, which included dislodging the sitting Dalai Lama and installing instead the Panchen Lama, second in the Tibetan hierarchy after the Lhasa ruler, reforming Tibetan Buddhism, and establishing in the vast spaces of Inner Asia a new theocracy, which he planned to call the Sacred Union of the East. On his occult map, which was tied to Tibetan-Mongol prophecy of Shambhala, the timing was right, he declared, to launch this exciting new project. The name of this ambitious dreamer was Nicholas Roerich.

What was so special about the Shambhala prophecy that made it so attractive for various spiritual and political seekers in the first three decades of the twentieth century—a time of great turmoil on the vast spaces of Eurasia? Shambhala was a prophecy that emerged in the world of Tibetan Buddhism between the tenth and twelth centuries CE, centered on a legend about a pure and happy kingdom located somewhere in the north; the Tibetan word Shambhala means “source of happiness.”

The legend said that the people of this mystical land enjoyed spiritual bliss, security, and prosperity. Having mastered special techniques, they turned themselves into godlike beings and exercised full control over the forces of nature. They were blessed, it was said, with long lives, never argued, and lived in harmony as brothers and sisters. At one point, as the story went, alien intruders would corrupt and undermine the faith of Buddha. That was the time when Rudra Chakrin (Rudra with a Wheel), the last king of Shambhala, would step in and, in a great battle, would crush the forces of evil called mlecca (or people of Mecca).

After this, the true faith, Tibetan Buddhism, would prevail and spread all over the world. The image of Shambhala as the Buddhist paradise and the motif of the final battle between good and evil (elements missing in original Buddhism), which may have been borrowed from neighboring religious traditions, particularly from Islam, which had violently dislodged Buddhists from northern India in the early Middle Ages.

In most recent times, indigenous lamas and Western spiritual seekers muted those “crusade” notions of the prophecy, and Shambhala became the peaceable kingdom that could be reached through spiritual enlightenment and perfection. Yet from olden times to the early decades of the twentieth century, the Shambhala prophecy was frequently revived whenever the Mongols and Tibetans had to face foreign invaders. In order to fully comprehend the geopolitical significance of this legend, it is important to remember that although old Tibet was ruled by the Dalai Lama (“Ocean of Wisdom” in Tibetan), the chief religious leader and administrator, he did not enjoy total power. The Panchen Lama (Great Scholar), abbot of the Tashilumpho monastery, traditionally exercised control over the eastern part of the country. Most important, people believed that one of the Panchens would be reborn as the king of glorious Shambhala.

Theologically speaking, the Great Scholar stood even higher than Dalai Lamas. Tashilumpho abbots were considered the reincarnation of Buddha Amitabha (one of the five top Buddhas, in addition to Gautama), whereas Dalais were only reincarnations of Avalokitesvara, who was only a bodhisattva and the manifestation of Buddha Amitabha. Panchen Lamas, whom many viewed as the spiritual leaders of Tibet, did not pay taxes and even had small armies. In modern times, this privileged status of the Panchen Lamas became a liability, undermining and chipping away at Tibetan unity and sovereignty, to the joy of its close neighbors, some of whom did not miss any chance to pit the Ocean of Wisdom against the Great Scholar. In 1923, when the thirteenth Dalai Lama attempted to curtail the autonomy and tax-exempt status of Tashilumpho, the conflict between the two powerful Tibetan leaders reached its peak; and the Panchen Lama, in fear for his safety, had to escape to Mongolia.

The flight of the Panchen Lama stirred diplomatic and spy games that involved England, Japan, China, and Red Russia. Surprisingly, each, for its own reasons, wanted the Panchen Lama back in Tibet. Driven by spiritual and geopolitical dreams of his own, painter Roerich joined this game. He is mostly known as a talented Russian émigré painter and a spiritual seeker. (Roerich’s paintings were exhibited throughout Europe and America; his designs for the original production of Stravinsky’s Rite of Spring won much acclaim; and his many ardent supporters included Albert Einstein, H.G. Welles, and George Bernard Shaw. In 1929 he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. —Editor)

Yet few know that Roerich’s spiritual quest led him to form a geopolitical plan that would have drastically changed the entire map of Inner Asia. By the early 1920s, he and his wife Helena had delved deeply into Theosophy, reading Helena Blavatsky’s works, frequenting occult and spiritualist salons, and eventually pioneering Agni Yoga, a school that was an offshoot of Theosophy. They also came to believe that the Great White Brotherhood, the hidden masters of Shambhala, acting through their otherworldly teacher Master Morya, chose them to speed up human spiritual evolution by establishing a great Buddhist theocracy in the heart of Asia.


Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Nicholas Roerich, and Mohammad Yunus. (Roerich’s estate, Kullu).

For the couple, the flight of the Panchen Lama from Tibet in December 1923 was an important and occult sign of the coming new age. The painter was convinced that he needed to act assertively by bringing the Panchen Lama to Lhasa, repairing the situation, and making sure that the thirteenth Dalai Lama would be the last. Roerich was convinced that all Tibetans were awaiting “the prophecy that a new ruler from Shambhala, with numberless warriors, shall come to vanquish and to establish righteousness in the citadel of Lhasa.” An expedition to Inner Asia, headed by the painter and disguised as a scientific archeological enterprise, was to accomplish this task. (The expedition was carried out under the auspices of the United States Department of Agriculture headed by Henry Wallace, later to serve as vice president under Franklin Roosevelt; and Wallace was one Roerich’s closest disciples.—editor)

The final goal was to bring all Tibetan Buddhist people of Asia, from Siberia to the Himalayas, together into the Sacred Union of the East with the Panchen Lama and Roerich presiding over this future theocracy. The spiritual tool to rally Buddhists around this plan would be the power of the Shambhala prophecy boosted by the Maitreya legend, another potent Mongol-Tibetan prophecy that announced the Buddha of the new coming world.

This theocracy was to be guided by reformed Buddhism, cleansed from what the painter and his wife considered “shamanic superstitions,” adjusted to the original teachings of Buddha, and injected with the Roeriches’ Agni Yoga. The couple envisioned this utopia as a commonwealth of people who would live a highly spiritual life and work in cooperatives—the economic foundation of this new state.

To accomplish such an ambitious project as the unification of all Tibetan Buddhists into a grand theocracy required a powerful sponsor. Yet, far from being helpful, English colonial officials of India were very suspicious of the adventurous painter and attempted to disrupt his plans that came to light after he turned up wandering along the Indian-Tibetan border. So, Roerich, who liked to call himself a practical idealist, decided to seek the help of Red Russia, which was obsessed with spreading its own gospel, Communism, to Mongolia, Tibet, and further to India, and which was fiercely competitive with England for influence in the region.

In the spring of 1924, the Reds, whom the Roeriches had previously viewed as the servants of Satan, suddenly became allies. Their otherworldly teacher Morya had blessed this political turnaround Roerich announced: “Now business needs to be done with the Bolsheviks.” Soon, after receiving these revelations, Helena noted in her diary, “Now everything has changed. Lenin is with us.”

Roerich openly approached Bolshevik diplomats in Paris and offered to gather intelligence on England in India and Tibet in exchange for logistical assistance. Red Russia became interested and eventually invited the painter to visit Moscow. On June 10, 1926, the Roeriches were in Moscow, where they met Chicherin, Soviet secretary for foreign affairs, and Meer Trilisser, head of the foreign espionage branch of the Bolshevik secret police. Without beating around the bush, Roerich laid out for the Bolshevik leaders his program to secure the alliance between Communism and Tibetan Buddhism:
1.1 Buddha’s teaching is revolutionary.
2.2 Maitreya represents the symbol of Communism.
3.3 The millions of Buddhists of Asia can be drawn into the movement to support the idea of the commune.
4.4 The basic law of Gautama Buddha easily penetrates the minds of the masses.
5.5 Europe will be shattered by the alliance between Buddhism and Communism.
6.6 The Mongols, Tibetans, and Kalmyk now expect the fulfillment of Maitreya prophecies, and they are ready to apply them to the current evolution.
7.7 The escape of the Panchen Lama from Tibet provides an incredible opportunity to stage a revolt in the East.
8.8 Buddhism explains the reason for the negation of God.
9.9 The Soviet government needs to act quickly, taking into consideration cultural conditions and prophecies of Asia.

Although they swallowed some of the Roeriches’ bluff, the Bolshevik leaders were not so naïve as to immerse themselves completely in such a reckless plan. Although they did provide logistical help for the painter’s expedition to Inner Asia, Chicherin and Trilisser made it clear that the direct involvement of Red Russia in their Tibetan venture was out of the question.

In 1927, the Soviet embassy in Mongolia provided automobiles, which allowed the Roeriches to quickly reach the southernmost border of Mongolia. There they switched to camels and entered western China, an area populated by warlike tribes, infested with bandits, and contested by several Chinese warlords. From Moscow the Bolshevik secret police sent a radiogram to a warlord friendly to the Bolsheviks, asking him “to provide all possible help to Roerich’s expedition.”

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“And We are Trying,” from the “Sancta” Series by N. Roerich

The traveling party, which, in addition to the Roerich couple, included their son George, three occultist friends, and twenty Buryat and Mongol armed guards, took the form of a spiritual march. Proceeding as an American expedition under the Stars and Stripes, the party also carried the Shambhala banner (tanka) attached to a flagpole. En route, the Roeriches spread word about the coming new age of spiritual bliss and prosperity. Special efforts were made to promote rumors among local nomads about the party as messengers of Shambhala and the new age of Maitreya. The painter constantly reminded his travel companions to remember that now they were all walking heroes: “All our steps are destined to become legends, which people will compose about our journey. And who knows, they might be great legends. On the threshold of the coming of the sixth race, all events are destined to become special.”

Otherworldly teacher Morya was pleased with how the legend-making was developing and encouraged his earthly students:


“The legend is growing. You need to proceed to Tibet without hurry, sending around rumors about your Buddhist embassy. The appearance of the embassy under the banner of Buddha is something that has never been seen before in the history of humankind. In the name of Maitreya Commune, you need to topple false teachings. . . . Each evening talk about Shambhala! Shambhala prepares the coming of Maitreya. . . . Plan your movement to make sure that each phrase you utter turns into a legend. Remember, you already stand above regular human beings.”

Yet, despite an official permission to enter the snow kingdom, when they reached the Tibetan border, Dalai Lama’s border guards suddenly detained them and marooned them on a high plateau in the freezing weather for five months without any explanation. Little did the travelers know that the formidable wall on their way to Tibet was erected by Lt. Colonel Bailey, the English spy stationed in Sikkim entrusted with monitoring all Bolshevik activities in Inner Asia. The English spymaster recommended that Tibetan authorities immediately block the movement of the “American” expedition, and Lhasa followed this advice.

paradigm-bustersOn February 17, 1928, after prolonged deliberations, Lhasa officials finally worked out a solution, forcing the party to quickly proceed straight to Sikkim and letting Bailey deal with them. Lt. Colonel Bailey welcomed the exhausted travelers into his residence, acting as if nothing had happened. It took the experienced operative only a brief chat with the painter to figure out that Roerich was not a Bolshevik but simply someone Bailey took to be a dangerous eccentric.

After parting with the hospitable Bailey, the painter suddenly announced to his friends that he, along with Helena and George, would leave the rest and proceed straight to the forbidden Shambhala kingdom—the Great White Brotherhood was calling them. Exclaiming “It is nice to believe in the fairy tale of life,” the Roeriches parted with their comrades. Although the Shambhala war that was to bring all Tibetan Buddhists into the Sacred Union of the East had apparently fallen through, it was not the end of the Roeriches’ ventures. The second part of this geopolitical drama, which unfolded in northeastern China and which involved FDR and his Vice-President Henry Wallace, was no less exciting and intriguing. But that is another story.

By Andrei Znamenski. Reprinted with permission from Red Wheel/Weiser, LLC., Paradigm Busters by J. Douglas Kenyon is available wherever books or ebooks are sold or directly from the publisher at 1-800-423-7087 or www.redwheelweiser.com.
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