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Ruben Mundaca
12-05-2009, 03:53 AM
I am just listening to a new released by investigative journalists in TV.

Morales, pressed by citizens and political partyes due to electoral fraud suspects and proofs in former electoral events (that he largely wins), has implemented a biomethrical identification registration system for citizens, in order to asure a clean voting for this sunday presidential election.


However, this biometrical registration is under heavy suspicion, due to has made by a venezuelan company that a journalist has say that will win the competition, A MONTH BEFORE the company actually wins.

Now, a crimialist law attourney has suited the president of the bolivian electoral court due to, making a little random sample of voting citizens registred, has discovered more than 70.000 citizens with exactly the same identification number. And was only in a little random sample. Is like if U.S. americans has exactly the same social security number.
Many criminals with police records has the same number than honest citizens, so they can't travel or work or qualify for bank loans, etc.

Another data: last former electoral event in Bolivia was performed about a year ago, and the voting people has barely reached four million citizens. Even in that time, was serious doub about the inflated registration of voters. But now we are nearly FIVE MILLONS TWO HUNDRED THOUSANDS votants, nearly 30% increase in only one year.

As evrytime government is discovered in fraud, accuse the oppositors for the same felony. The government is saying now that has "proofs" that opositor leader has try to make fraud by paying an employee of the national electoral court, to "tweak" the results in computers.

But the observants sended by the Organization of American States are saying that "evrything is clean and ok."....:laugh:

If you where a bolivian citizen as I am (be happy you are not), can you trust in the voting results?... can you respect the president, vice-president, deputys and senators that will be elected this sunday?.....Evo Morales claims he will win with "more than 70% of votes".

Democracy in my country is DEATH.:s:

(Sorry admin. if I am not posting in the right thread. I just realized that... I was in a hurry. :dong: )

Magda Hassan
12-05-2009, 05:34 AM
Can you provide a link to this programme or some documentation from the attorney?

Ruben Mundaca
12-05-2009, 04:22 PM
Can you provide a link to this programme or some documentation from the attorney?

The program is "Sin letra Chica", by independent journalist Carlos Valverde. I was writing the information at the time he was releasing it live by TV. I contact him to ask a reproduction of the interview in his blog, in the "video" section. He answer that he will do soon. Journalists are very busy with sunday presidential "election".

This is his link:

http://www.carlosvalverde.com/

But there are news about in the newspapers. Here is the attourney and his name, having in hand a registration of thousands of duplicated identification numbers, taken from biometrical electoral registration:

http://eldia.com.bo/index.php?cat=150&pla=3&id_articulo=21164

Anyway, too late: elections will be this sunday and anything he can do will take a long time (maybe YEARS) in a judicial court.
Meanwile, Morales ad his followers will be declared "winners" and will asume the presidentcy of republic and the total control of parliament. Lot of time and power to shut many mouths, by any means.

Jan Klimkowski
12-05-2009, 04:55 PM
Can you provide a link to this programme or some documentation from the attorney?

The program is "Sin letra Chica", by independent journalist Carlos Valverde. I was writing the information at the time he was releasing it live by TV. I contact him to ask a reproduction of the interview in his blog, in the "video" section. He answer that he will do soon. Journalists are very busy with sunday presidential "election".

This is his link:

http://www.carlosvalverde.com/

But there are news about in the newspapers. Here is the attourney and his name, having in hand a registration of thousands of duplicated identification numbers, taken from biometrical electoral registration:

http://eldia.com.bo/index.php?cat=150&pla=3&id_articulo=21164

Anyway, too late: elections will be this sunday and anything he can do will take a long time (maybe YEARS) in a judicial court.
Meanwile, Morales ad his followers will be declared "winners" and will asume the presidentcy of republic and the total control of parliament. Lot of time and power to shut many mouths, by any means.

Carlos Valverde?

Here's IKN's take on Valverde (my emphasis in bold):


In one of the worst articles to be written on Evo Morales in the last year (and my stars, there's some competition), some damnfool named Eliza Barclay managed to make Morales into Mugabe (she passed on Mandela...wonder why?) and tried to get chattering classes in NE USA nodding in sage agreement over another of her carefully chosen quotes;

"Instead of governing for a whole country, he is governing only for the indigenous class and has brought racism with him."

Now, Barclay's fetid hit-piece has already been thoroughly and correctly lashed by Abiding in Bolivia and other people that actually know the difference between a decent journalism and plain stupidity, but now it's time to gently explain to Barclay what real Bolivian racism is, what it sounds like and where it comes from. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Carlos Valverde Barberí (above), mainstay of Santa Cruz politics, TV and radio personality (his verbal vomit gets spewed out via friendly Santa Cruz media) founder of the now infamous Unión Juvenil Cruceñista (UJC) nazi youth thugs and all round piece of shit.

The issue is a commentary on the handing over of 38,000 hectares of land on March 14th that previously belonged to rich white landowners (Larsen, Branko, all the other boys) to indigenous Guarani people. This came about via the newly minted constitution that allows people to own a maximum of 5,000ha going forward, so Branko, his pals and his multizillion hectare soybean business has hit a bit of a bump in the road, all things told. But on to Carlos Velaverde's comments as featured on Radio Patria Nueva, Santa Cruz, today. Eliza, have a pen and paper handy to make notes for your next report, yeah? He said of the handover;

"We have to shoot those that have recently occupied our land. They have to be killed because they are individuals that subjugate. They have to be killed because we are not all the same. This is a subjugation of Santa Cruz. It's incredible that Cambas (Santa Cruz residents) don't agree with us because the indigenous don't have anything to do with us here."

This is the mindset of the people that were presented by Simon Romero in the NYT last year as the anti-Evo heroic resistance movement. These are the people Eliza Barclay decided to ignore when she wrote a 1,500 word expansion on her own prejudices. However, now that the rubber is hitting the road and the real reason behind all this "Autonomy Now!" claptrap is being exposed, namely that those in charge knew all along they'd lose their precious land, the masks have slipped and the vicious underbelly is being exposed for all to see. Ten years ago the racist slavedrivers had their vast tracts of very profitable lands and a virtual unpaid labourforce to work it for them. Now they're losing both and they don't like it...my oh my, dontcha feel sad for 'em?

http://incakolanews.blogspot.com/2009/03/bolivia-masks-slip-in-santa-cruz.html

Jan Klimkowski
12-05-2009, 04:57 PM
IKN states that Valverde founded the Unión Juvenil Cruceñista:


Santa Cruz Youth Union

The Santa Cruz Youth Union (Unión Juvenil Cruceñista) (UJC) is a militant neo-fascist and as one of its leader Yariel soliz group based in Santa Cruz, Bolivia. Founded in 1957 as an arm of the Pro Santa Cruz Committee (Comite Pro Santa Cruz)[6], the UJC has recently become the subject of controversy and accusation concerning its activities in support of the Santa Cruz autonomy movement in opposition to the government of Evo Morales and his MAS political party.[1]

Claiming a membership of more than two thousand, the UJC has violently enforced general civic strikes called for by the Pro Santa Cruz Committee,[2] intimidated and assaulted leftist political opponents,[3] and provided security for the illegal May 4 Santa Cruz Autonomy referendum[4], participating in violent clashes the day of the vote.[5] Two members of the UJC were arrested and accused of plotting to assassinate Evo Morales on June 20 2008, when encountered by police in possession of a rifle, scope, and ammunition in Santa Cruz prior to the president's flight arrival.[6] Some sources claimed that they were captured at the airport, but others located the suspects in a popular market.[7] Nevertheless, the prosecutor dismissed the case and they were both released shortly afterwards.[7]

[edit] References
^ [1] UDW, Ben Dangl. The Dark Side of Bolivia’s Half Moon January 2007
^ BIF Bulletin No 8 Santa Cruz and the banner of autonomy
^ [2] Amnesty Intl. Bolivia: Fear for safety 06 March 2007
^ [3] AIN Illegal Autonomy Referendum Deepens Division in Bolivia 17 April 2008
^ [4] UPD Santa Cruz Divided 08 May 2008
^ [5] Prensa Latina Suspected Attackers of Evo Arrested June 20, 2008
^ a b El gobierno boliviano dice que planeaban matar a Evo. El Ciudadano (in spanish). 21/06/2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Cruz_Youth_Union

Jan Klimkowski
12-05-2009, 05:22 PM
A Tale of Two Bolivias
Behind the Ongoing Gas Wars, a Geographic Rift Between Rich and Poor


By Teo Ballvé
2004 Narco News Authentic Journalism Scholar
August 27, 2004

Excerpt from the full article here:

http://www.narconews.com/Issue34/article1056.html


During the “gas war,” the Youth Brigade in Santa Cruz along with the officially unaffiliated, ultra-rightwing Unión Juvenil Crucinista — another militant separatist youth group — violently repelled an approaching march of mostly indigenous protestors. Amid a hail of flying rocks and shouts of “Colla (highlanders) pieces of shit,” the marchers were unable to enter the city.

The first president of the extremist Unión Juvenil Crucinista, founded in 1957, was Carlos Valverde Barbery. He is currently the primary ideologue of Nación Camba — a kind of unofficial godfather of the movement. Valverde first achieved national prominence in the 1970s when the brutal regime of Gen. Hugo Banzer rewarded him with the appointment of Health Minister for his role in leading a paramilitary group supporting the military coup. Valverde believes the creation of two independent republics is “the only solution for the country.” And adds, “Why should we keep unity, if [the two regions] are so totally different? We have absolutely nothing in common on so many levels.”

Nación Camba first began to organize in response to massive land invasions and occupations in Santa Cruz carried out by the Bolivian Landless Movement (Movimiento Sin Tierra — MST) in 2000. Of all Bolivia’s departments, Santa Cruz continues to have the most unequal distribution of land. According to the government’s Institute of Agrarian Reform (INRA), only 25 landowners hold around 22 million hectares in Santa Cruz — almost 60 percent of the department’s total territory, nearly the size of the U.S. state of Montana.

Inaction on promises of land distribution by INRA and the recent arrest of MST leader Gabriel Pinto has led the MST to step up their land occupations. Many MST members are recent migrants from the altiplano, which inflames the conflict with ethnic and regional connotations by pitting landless, migrant indigenous campesinos from the altiplano against lowland, mestizo landowners.

At a ranch owned by Rafael Paz Hurtado, MST leaders directed authorities to a weapons cache they alleged belonged to paramilitary “self-defense” units hired by landowners to protect their lands from encroachment. Paz told authorities he had the rifles, automatic weapons and grenades to protect his farming equipment and animals. A press release by the local bloc of the MST firmly denounced the arms deposit: “Our country cannot stand for the proliferation of paramilitary movements at the command of landowners due to the voracity of transnationals and local oligarchic interests.”

To counter the growing presence and strength of the MST, Nación Camba has its own program for providing landless campesinos with a small plot of land. It has even managed to build a small base of support among new arrivals from the altiplano by offering parcels to those that join the ranks of Nación Camba. It also seeks to sway public opinion throughout the media luna region to its favor by functioning somewhat like a think tank, publishing articles, editorials and position papers.

Because Nación Camba’s proposed separation from Bolivia is presented as a vehicle for greater economic independence and prosperity, the movement has found a willing partner in—and built a strong alliance with—the Santa Cruz Chamber of Commerce and Industry (CAINCO). CAINCO president Zvonko Matkovic, for example, declared, “What we should do is simply and smoothly separate ourselves [from Bolivia].” The alliance between these two groups represents the urban, mestizo elite at the helm of the autonomy movement.

When asked what he thinks should be done to the “radical” (indigenous) movements Matkovic responded: “A heavy hand, a heavy hand. In any other country, people that go against the economy of the country, of the state, are people that are arrested and tried. That is what this government does not have the will to do.”

CAINCO represents about 1,500 companies operating in the region, and according to its mission statement it “serves to protect and defend the interest of its member companies,” among them, oil and gas companies. In fact, many of the international conglomerates with existing gas contracts in the region—Repsol-YPF, Petrobras, Enron—are members of CAINCO’s board of directors.

CAINCO enjoys generous funding from local and international organizations. It has a long established relationship with the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB). The IDB’s Multilateral Investment Fund gave 1.3 million dollars to Bolivia’s Foundation for Business Development, of which CAINCO is one of four members.

The stated objective of the IDB loan is to “facilitate the entry into the formal economy of businesses located in Bolivia.” However, the category of “Awareness and Dissemination” in the loan accounts for an entire 21 percent of its total funds. The bulk of funds in this category finance a “communications campaign,” “printed materials,” “contracting the mass media” and “service promotion.”

Media has played a significant role in shaping public opinion on the gas issue, according to Bolivian political analyst Eduardo Gamarra in a risk assesment paper he wrote for the USAID agency: “An autonomous media-based opposition (oposición mediática) exerted an unusual degree of influence and was a significant source of conflict [in the gas dispute]. The media have indeed been extremely active and critical of government policy and also of … [indigenous] opposition groups.”

More striking, however, is that, according to documents released by the U.S. government under the Freedom of Information Act by Narco News journalism professor Jeremy Bigwood, CAINCO receives funds from the congressionally funded U.S.-based National Endowment for Democracy (NED).

The NED has a controversial history of supporting groups in foreign countries hostile to governments that Washington deems unseemly. Earlier this year in Haiti, the NED contributed to the destabilization of the government of a democratically elected leader. The NED also gave funding to Súmate, a group whose sole purpose was to organize a recall referendum against twice-elected President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela.

In this case, the NED’s activities are seemingly business-oriented. CAINCO’s first ever NED grant came just in time for the July 18 gas referendum. CAINCO received the grant, totaling 128,285 dollars, on May 1. The stated purpose of the grant is to research and advocate for the modification of the federal law on “Contracts of Goods, Labor, General Services and Consulting,” which sets rules on purchases, bids and contracts. Gas exploration and exportation contracts, for instance.

According to the NED, the law needs changing because “the decree puts more emphasis on the private sector than on the public sector to reduce corruption at the same time that it does not guarantee bidders’ rights,” says the grant. And, says the NED, fighting corruption will make Bolivia more attractive to international investment.

The NED grant, among other things, is therefore helping CAINCO pave the way for private companies to obtain favorable government contracts and invest in the exploration and exportation of the region’s natural gas. Despite the pending hydrocarbons law still to be decided in congress to determine how the reserves should be developed, Matkovic firmly supported recent moves by President Mesa to prematurely begin selling gas to Argentina. And he did not fail to mention that he was worried by “pressures imposed by radicalized social sectors, looking for another upheaval in the country”—a veiled reference to altiplano groups.

Clearly, the gas issue has become the most divisive issue Bolivia has faced in decades. But the fallout from the gas war along with other recent and similar upheavals—the April 2000 Cochabamba “water war” and the February 2003 tax riots—are only symptoms of a more profound process currently underway. These insurrections have forced a nationwide evaluation of the gamut of neoliberal policies—market liberalization, privatization and the general dissolution of the state—carried out in recent decades.

The majority of the population in the altiplano, the part of the country most devastated and marginalized by these policies, is wholly rejecting the neoliberal economic model. Groups like CAINCO and Nación Camba—along with its offshoots—have recently gained prominence because they are directly contesting this blatant rejection, in some cases violently, because it is an economic system that continues to serve them particularly well as the landed elite and captains of industry.

Since they comprise a minority elite, these groups have manipulated and exploited prevalent threads of racism and regional divisions that have long-plagued Bolivian society. Much like the conservative movement of the United States, these groups have decided to maintain their economic hegemony by waging their battles in terms of culture rather than economics, because the latter would alienate their less affluent supporters.

Ruben Mundaca
12-06-2009, 12:50 AM
Wrong, Jan.....
He is not Carlos Valverde Barbery, he is Carlos Valverde Bravo.

He is son of Carlos Valverde Barbery, one of the most well known rigth wing representative man. He (the father) found The Union Juvenil Cruceñista as an arm of the Santa Cruz Civic Comitee. But don't be wrong: What the official government propaganda avoid to say is that The Santa Cruz Civic Comitee it has also some well known left wing leaders president, as Jerjes Justiniano, one of main supporters of Morale's MAS party in Santa Cruz.

Other thing that Morales party avoid to say, is that the most infamous and notorius (nazi) members of the Union Juvenil Cruceñista ( the ones filmed hitting indigenous farmers with clubs), now belong to Morale's party, as Chichi Pérez and Mario Cronenbold. They has been recived in a big public ceremony made it by MAS to the media, so their are not longer criminals just because they join the Morale's MAS.

http://vodpod.com/watch/2374212-mi-hermano-chichi-prez-se-vendi-por-dinero-al-mas

But right wing Carlos Valverde (Sr.) has been punished by destiny: Their two sons were known as left wing men since their where young, including the journalist Carlos Valverde Bravo (Jr). His other son has even recived training in urban and jungle guerrilla and political murder in Castro's Cuba. He is now an attourney at law (don't remember his name now).

The first journalist to celebrate Morale's first victory was Carlos Valverde (Jr) and he was one of most flattered journalist by MAS at that time: he invented the sentence: "How beautiful Democracy is", widely used by MAS party in his political propaganda.

But then the Morale's killings and frauds began he denounced them, and he becames one of the most hated journalists of Bolivia and discredited by MAS and his journalist allieds, including internal and external. But his sources has been proved to be right and seriuos most of the time in many capital events. He is critizised by the rude and plain language he uses, but no one has suited him by not sayin the truth.

MAS has been chasing him and pressing the media. That has lead to his work contract be resigned from PAT, one of the most biggest and well known TV network of Bolivia. Now his is still denouncing Morale's felonys fom a little TV network that has an agreement with him: that he take all personal responsability for what he show and say.

He has just presented a documentary film video about Morale's killings and felonys, named ¿que pasó? (what happened?).....

http://www.ernestojustiniano.org/foro/topic/iquestque-pasoacute-un-documental-de-carlos-valverde-trailer

He is one of the voices that probably be shut up when Morale's win this sunday.

Ruben Mundaca
12-06-2009, 02:04 AM
Ho, and about the "landowners"......
I see you are posting news that go to the times of Zvonko Matkovic. He has been authority a long time ago.

Actual reality is that most landowners has selled their land and the ones that remains are keeping 5000 Has. the most. But the fight was mostly not about land, but the physical situation of the land.

Let me explain: about just 50 years ago, Santa Cruz region was a territory in the middle of nothing, with no roads, no electricity, no services and no way to produce and carry goods to internal or external markets. So, landowners built roads and make most infraestructure to produce and export, with little or no participation of government in the big effort. It was a great success.

There is land for "colla" inmigrants (in fact, most of the land of Santa Cruz is gived to colla migrants (paynig political favours), but not the indigenous cambas, and that's the Camba Nation claims. The local indigenous where displaced from their land by colla indigenous. But colla indigenous want to take the land with services of roads and electricity, so they assault old oppositors farmers that make those services mostly by own effort.

The truth is that government is promoting those assaults, as a way to weaken resistance to them by local farmers, by taking away their economic support, placing "their" obedient farmers. Government do not give land to the "colla" farmers, but to UNIONs of colla farmers, under government control. So, if a colla farmer don't agree to obey government, he might be expelled from the community (UNION) because he is not the owner, but the union. He doesent have private property, so he have to obey OR ELSE.

As another step to archieve this goal (weaken resistance of local farmers), government has forbid the export of goods produced or quota them only by authorisation of government (authorisations that are frequently delayed by "burocracy"), weaken even more oppositor farmers. They even have great difficultyes to have loans from banks... Many of them has selled their land very cheap.

This problem is very complex and can take a lot of space in the forum. But maybe with this you can understand it a little more.

Jan Klimkowski
12-06-2009, 12:38 PM
Senor Mundaca - does the biography and video below, relate to the Carlos Valverde Bravo whose material you want to post on DPF?


A Desmemoria: carlos valverde (with fine print)
Written by Jose Alvarez
Octubre 09, 2008

Now Carlos Valverde via their television aims to become the only pure voice of Bolivia, in the person that defiles the image of how many people would think and go through your mind, yet we know very well the Santa Cruz history, linked to the paramilitaries, drug traffickers, and the extreme right.


Quien Es? Quien Es? Que Hizo? He did? Cual es su entorno? What is your environment?
CARLOS VALVERDE : HISTORIA DE UN DESMEMORIADO
CARLOS VALVERDE: HISTORY OF A Desmemoria
Jose Alvarez (21/10/2006 14:36)

What is your environment?

1) Paramilitary University Gabriel Rene Moreno (UAGRM 1976-1980) perternecía paramilitary group (RAF) led by the Vice Chancellor of University UAGRM (Walter Parada), armed wing of the Bolivian Socialist Falange (FSB), part of the extreme right , neo-ally of the dictator Hugo Banzer. Carlos Valverde, was the fiercest patedor Flogger and student autonomy, along with Sullivan Camba, Nando stop and Rommel Pantoja, all of them militants FSB.

2) Head of National Intelligence under President Jaime Paz Zamora (MIR? DNA):

a) Participated in the murder of businessman La Paz Londsdale

b) Case Narco Figurines, was involved in the case called Narcoestatuillas, along with Fernando (Nando) Cutuchi alias Gutierrez, who exported statues stuffed with cocaine, this drug dealer had an intelligence department credential signed by Carlos Valverde Bravo, this fact caused who retired from office in the interior, it stopped and that the United States Embassy will remove the entry visa to that country. (Case commented by press time)

3) most closely related to Drug Trafficking: His father was loved NALLAR (brother-Razuk Widen, drug traffickers and former prefect of Banzer, disappeared by the Colombian mafia). NALLAR, fue el segundo hombre del narcotráfico después de Roberto Suarez (El Rey de la Cocaina), NALLAR, falleció hace unos años. Nall was the second man after drug Roberto Suarez (The King of Cocaine), Nall, died some years ago.

4) Visitas a la Estancia Perseverancia: 4) Visits to the Farm Perseverance: At 20-odd years Carlos Valverde, while still in love with Cinthia Nallar (his wife), daughter of Amado Nallar (1980 -1981), a frequent visitor to stay Narcotraficante PERSEVERANCE, property NALLAR and main manufacturing hub for cocaine in the department of Santa Cruz.

5) Jorge Nallar, The Cuñado Paramilitary: Your brother George Nallar Razuk, is the most known paramilitary Bolivia today lives in San Javier (Departamento de Santa Cruz), is known for the abuses against peasants and his humblest links with neo-Nazi groups, the Comité Pro-Santa Cruz and Santa Cruz Youth Union. There are classified reports that his wealth is hidden in the weapons they have entered the country clandestinely, in order to overthrow the government of Evo Morales. Jorge Nallar, the brother-in-law of Carlos Valverde, is a man hired by the DEA and by the intelligence services of Bolivia, as extremely dangerous man

6) Carlos Investigator: Currently has a research agency dedicated to chasing and photographing unfaithful husbands and wives to initiate divorce proceedings then.

This is the fine print of the story of Carlos Valverde Bravo and its surroundings, the fine print that is known for the Santa Cruz who are now between 40 and 55 years and should again be remembered as the era of drug traffickers, dollars, whiskey, the band and display, we destroy our values and ashamed to Santa Cruz.

Now Carlos Valverde via their television aims to become the only pure voice of Bolivia, in the person that defiles the image of how many people would think and go through your mind, yet we know very well the Santa Cruz history, linked to the paramilitaries, drug traffickers, and the extreme right.

Is it possible that we have to stand and listen to this character in his youth left him and other fascistic have fun beating up humble citizens of the interior (Collas)


Última actualización ( Octubre 09, 2008 ) Last Updated (October 09, 2008)

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Ruben Mundaca
12-06-2009, 06:51 PM
That's exactly what I mean by "government chasing and discredit" of Carlos Valverde.

You know Jan, Santa Cruz is not a big town. We know the background of each other, because 20 or 30 years back in time, we were a little population.

1.- FALSE. I was studyng in the Gabriel René Moreno University by the time Carlos Valverde was. He is older than me, but I saw a time of extreme violence carried by leftist and rigthist (both) for the control of University. We were there in the middle, trying to finish our careers while rocks and figths was all around. I saw Rommel Pantoja in the front of the right wing, but I dind't see Valverde anywhere.
In the University everybody was expecting some actions from him (due to his father background), but some people begin to call him " little radish", because his "red" ideas. He was not bold at that time, but with a kind of "afro" hair and scarce beard.

2.- He work in intelligence department during DEMOCRATIC government of Jaime Paz Zamora (MIR meaning= Revolutionary Leftist Movment or Movimiento de Izquierda Revolucionaria)= centrist left ("traitors" for the extreme left). That's not a felony, isn't it ?......

3.- Businessman Jorge Lonsdale was kidnapped by CNPZ leftist gerrillas, who wanted big money for his release. Intelligence police locate the building and quietly surrounded it. But the gerrilleros saw the police and opened fire against them and killed Lonsdale too. Why this people are trying to charge the responsability of that death to Carlos Valverde?...because he was working in the intelligence police department, behind a desk?...strange...

4.-In the case of narco figurines: Valverde know his name released in press linked to this case. He went by himself to Santa Cruz Police asking to be investigated, but Santa Cruz has no charges against him and released him. So he went to La Paz Police Department. There was caught in jail many months for "investigation", but latter he was released because lack of evidence or links with the case. I remember it because was a big scandal and his attourney want to release him imediatly, but he denied to place any judicial claim until police was satisfied. USA visa is automatically removed to ANY person (guilty or not) that has any trouble or even named in relation to traffic.

5.- I don't now his wife links or his wife's family links with traffiking, because I don't know his wife, so I can't say if is true or false about HER, beeing the DAUGTHER of a trafiker.

About his brother-in-law Jorge Nallar: that's another strange "information": How can he abuse humble peasants and can exists "clasified reports"¿? of "hidden clandestine weapons" to overthrow Morale's government..?.. Why then, police has done NOTHING against him, if for much less than that ( a dispute for a piece of land with "humble" colla assaultants), a farmer was recently kidnapped from Santa Cruz by Morale's police special force and carry to La Paz to be judge against the law?... with government Prosecutor and Judge, of course......?... when they where kidnapping him, a tv channel filmed them, so they turn against TV cameras, destroy it and shot with automatic weapons the TV news vehicle...
Is not the only case: many other citizens, farmers and oppositors have been kidnapped from Santa Cruz and other places and illegaly carried to La Paz, to be prosecuted by Morale's Prosecutor and Morale's Judge... Why they don't do the same with a man that have hidden arsenals?.....

About "he has fun beating humble citizens of interior (collas)": The one most active denouncing and releasing videos of collas been beaten (by the facists that now are with Morale's MAS, Chichi Pérez an others) was... Valverde.:D

I don't like to be anybody's defendant, but when I saw "José Alvarez's" ¿? defamatory writing, I can't stay silent.

(By the way: the picture of Valverde with Hitler's moustaches painted says all about the nature of the "Jose Alvarez" lampoon.)

Ruben Mundaca
12-06-2009, 07:46 PM
A little more I know from Valverde (that government "journalists" don't say :)

He fight against the infamous narco-government of Luis García Meza, doing strike of hungry in a Santa Cruz church. He was caugth by military and tortured. Because that, he lose the hearing in one ear, so he speak loud because he is barely deaf.

Later, in the only action joined together with his father (leader of the right wing Carlos Valverde Barbery) against Luis García Meza, they assault the TITA oil field and took it by force.

Luis García Mesa send military commandos at the order of the coronel Gary Prado, who commanded operations against Ché Guevara. They took the field peacefully due that any ressistance will be a massacre, but in the incident an accidental bullet destroy the vertebal spine of the general Gary Prado. He is in weel chair until now.

Jan Klimkowski
12-06-2009, 07:52 PM
So, Senor Mundaca, what is Carlos Valverde Bravo's position on the Unión Juvenil Crucinista and the Camba Nacion?

Ruben Mundaca
12-06-2009, 08:49 PM
If you search in his link and see some of his videos, his position will be cristal clear to you.

But the word he uses most when he speak about Union Juvenil Cruceñista, is "felons".

The Comité Pro santa Cruz, despite government propaganda, is very respected by people in Santa Cruz, due it has great popular leaders and there was a time that many vindications that carry progress and wealth to the region was leaded by Comité Pro Santa Cruz. But today's leadership is very criticized by Valverde. See the videos for yourself.

Union Juvenil Cruceñista is a paralell organization created many years ago (about 50 years) in times of great danger and sorrow: when another former populist party (MNR) send thousands of colla militia heavely armed against Santa Cruz, to chase "Camba" leaders that where protesting, trying that government fulfill a law that recognize a tax of 11% of oil production in favor of Santa Cruz region (by that time, government keeps 100% of production, with not a cent to producing regions).

The colla militia sended invades the city and commit many atrocitys: murder, rape, torture, burning houses, stealing, etc...under influence of drugs and alcohol generously delivered by their leaders. Many people die. For example, the father of a friend was tortured, flagellated and took all their teeth with tweezers, then penetrate his ass with a wood stake. He barely survived at the intensive bleeding. But his rage survived with him.

Maybe you now understand that camba hate against collas are not because racist, but due to the felonies committed that time, because many people that suffers is still alive and remember those months of horror. They are fathers, mothers and grandfathers of a new generation now.

But that colla militia want to chase the leaders of the movment, specially Melchor Pinto Parada. So, Union Juvenil Cruceñista was created to protect the leaders of Comite Pro Santa Cruz and protect their own families. Young Carlos Valverde Barbery (Sr.) was one of the fouders.

But later when things get calm, The Union Juvenil Cruceñista do not dissolve and keeps active "protecting" the Comitee, but only under nominal control of the Santa Cruz Comitee, because they develop their own structure. The structure is to support a fight.

It seems today that Morale's and other governments has infiltrated the Unión Juvenil Cruceñista to give bad press and/or destroy Comité Pro Santa Cruz. Some of their most notorius "members" (notorius for beting colla strikers with clubs) has joined Morale's party in public media presentation.

Ruben Mundaca
12-06-2009, 10:05 PM
Ho, the allmighty "Camba Nation" is a group of about 20-30 intelectuals that his only function is to write press articles about the need that local indigenous be respected and not be displaced of their land by colla migrants.
So, the land has to be gived to them in the first place, and then to any other migrants.

They emphatize in the need to keep the camba cuture and commmon values too, and the need of a federative or autonomic government system (like Spanish autonomy), in order that the political power be distributed in the regions and the resources too. The identity of regions have to be preserved and regions have to take control and responsability of their destiny.

Between his members you find radicals too ( some believe that Bolivia is a failed country because after 200 years of history, is still not able to give tranquility, freedom and wealth to their citizens. So, few radicals proposal is to separate from Bolivia and evry people find his own destiny, coz the most important in a country is not territory or government, but people and his happiness. That's the real meaning of a country") but the most of them support an autonomic state. They contribute to the ideological support to Santa Cruz Autonomic Movment.

But Morale's "socialism" crash with them, due to by nature, socialism need that political power and resources be centralized in the "papa" state.

So, he fight to destroy them and his media propaganda creates a monster. Finally, when he realizes that Autonomy is a conquest that he can't take off from the people's mind, he create his own "autonomy" and make a referendum to aprove it, wich happened with the aid of colla regions. His "autonomy" is barely a joke: is dis-funtional because create too many levels of autonomic government and give very little atributions to regions, most atributions that frequently mix between other regional governmental levels. Is so wrong that can't be applied until now.

Is inapplicable, because he does to be inapplicable, and to keep the power, resources and decissions centralized in his hands.

Magda Hassan
12-07-2009, 01:53 AM
Ruben, my information, from other Bolivians and South Americans, is that there are no biometric devices being used in this election as it is not ready to use yet and has just been discussed. It may or may not be used in future elections.

Ruben Mundaca
12-07-2009, 02:57 AM
Ruben, my information, from other Bolivians and South Americans, is that there are no biometric devices being used in this election as it is not ready to use yet and has just been discussed. It may or may not be used in future elections.

There is. I just vote a couple of hours ago. I have been registred. Some month ago they took me a picture of my face and all my fingerprints in a glass of a little machine, that transfered to a computer and registred, with all my data.

When I went to vote today, they have my registration, data and picture in a card. When I vote, they give me a little cardboard with my picture, place of voting and my ID number, as a certificate that I vote. Voting in Bolivia is a duty, not a right. You can be punished if not (they charge you money if you dont' show your certificate of voting)

http://www.lostiempos.com/ustedelige/coyuntura/coyuntura/20091205/oea-asegura-que-el-padron-biometrico-que-guia-las-elecciones-generales-es_48503_84665.html

There is a statement of Horatio Serpa, election observer from the OEA, sayin that the biomethrical registration that guide the bolivian election is "trustable". He was the same guy that avail Morale's election in 2005.

In july 2008, for the revocatory referendum, registred electoral citizens where barely 4.000.000 (four million), but for that time, oppositors say that was "inflated".

http://boliviasol.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/actualizado-padron-electoral-para-referendo-revocatorio-en-bolivia/

Now, just a year latter, we are almost 5.200.000 (one million two hundred thousands increase in ONE YEAR.) Interesting, isnt it...????:mad:

First partial results are released by media. Morales is wining by nearly 65%, wich give him total control of both congress chambers (all congress, in fact). With The Tribunal of Constitutional Guarantees destroyed (he destroyed earlier), no legal force can stop absolute power of Morales in Bolivia. He is above any law now.

Keith Millea
12-09-2009, 04:59 PM
http://www.counterpunch.org/dangl12082009.html

The Speed of Change in Bolivia

By BENJAMIN DANGL
Bolivian President Evo Morales was re-elected on Sunday, December 6th in a landslide victory. After the polls closed, fireworks, music and celebrations filled the Plaza Murillo in downtown La Paz, where MAS supporters chanted "Evo Again! Evo Again!" Addressing the crowd from the presidential palace balcony, Morales said, "The people, with their participation, showed once again that it’s possible to change Bolivia… We have the responsibility to deepen and accelerate this process of change."
Though the official results are not yet known, exit polls show that Morales won roughly 63% of the vote, with his closest rival, former conservative governor Manfred Reyes Villa, winning around 23% of the vote.
The Movement Toward Socialism (MAS), Morales’ political party, also won two thirds of the seats in congress and took control of the senate, meaning the MAS administration will have an easier time passing laws without right wing opposition.
Many of Bolivia’s indigenous and impoverished majority identify with http://www.counterpunch.org/dangl.gif (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/190485933X/counterpunchmaga)Morales, an indigenous man who grew up poor and was a grassroots leader before his election as president in 2005. Many also voted for Morales because of new government programs aimed at empowering the country’s marginalized people.
"Brother Evo Morales is working for the poorest people, for the people that are fighting for their survival," El Alto street vendor Julio Fernandez told Bloomberg reporter Jonathan Levin on election day.
"He's changing things. He's helping the poor and building highways and schools," Veronica Canizaya, a 49-year old housewife, told Reuters before voting near Lake Titicaca.
During his first four years in office Morales partially nationalized Bolivia’s vast gas reserves, ushered in a new constitution written in a constituent assembly, granted more rights to indigenous people and exerted more state-control over natural resources and the economy. Much of the wealth generated from new state-run industries has been directed to various social and development programs to benefit impoverished sectors of society.
For example, Bolivian mother Inez Mamani receives a government stipend to help her care for her newborn baby. The funding is thanks to the state-run gas company. Mamani, the mother of a two-month-old baby and five other children, spoke with Annie Murphy of National Public Radio about the program. "With my other children, there wasn't a program like this. It was sad the way we raised them. Now they have milk, clothing, diapers, and it's great that the government helps us. Before, natural resources were privately owned and there wasn't this sort of support."
In addition to the support for mothers, the government also gives stipends to young students and the elderly; the stipends reached some 2 million people in 2009. "I'm a teacher and I see that the kids go to school with hope, because they get breakfast there and the subsidies ... I ask them how they spend the hand-outs and some of them say they buy shoes. Some didn't have shoes before," Irene Paz told Reuters after voting in El Alto.
Thanks to such far-reaching government programs and socialistic policies, Bolivia’s economic growth has been higher during the four years under Morales than at any other period during the last three decades, according to the Washington-based Center for Economic and Policy Research.
"None of this would have been possible without the government's regaining control of the country's natural resources," said CEPR Co-Director Mark Weisbrot. "Bolivia's fiscal stimulus over the past year was vastly larger than ours in the United States, relative to their economy."
During Morales’ new term in office, with a majority in the congress and senate, the MAS government should be able to further apply the changes established in the new constitution, a document passed in a national vote this past January. The MAS base is eager for land reform, broader access to public services, development projects and more say in how their government is run. The mandate and demands for massive changes are now greater than ever.
As Bolivian political analyst Franklin Pareja told IPS News, "In the past four years, the change was an illusion, and now it should be real."
Benjamin Dangl is currently based in Paraguay and is the author of "The Price of Fire: Resource Wars and Social Movements in Bolivia (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/190485933X/counterpunchmaga)" (AK Press). He edits UpsideDownWorld.org, a website on activism and politics in Latin America, and TowardFreedom.com, a progressive perspective on world events. :bike:

Ruben Mundaca
12-10-2009, 12:41 AM
Only a few quotations about Benjamin Dangel's article, Keith:

- There was no doubt that Morales will win this election. But he wanted to win with so great difference, that allows him to control both congress chambers, wich actually did.

- The fact that right wing oppositors where controlling the senate chamber, has never be an obstacle to Morales. When a law don't pass or was observed due to unconstitutional (he frequently violate his own Constitution), he rule by presidential Decree. Under bolivian Law, any rule or act delivered by president is presumed legal and contitutional until The Tribunal of Constitutional Guarantees don't say the contrary.

Gess what?... Morale's first actions was to destroy that tribunal, wich did, so nobody has a legal rigth to correct his decrees. Senate do this function sometimes. But when that happen, he displace some thousands of his followers from El Alto and surround the Congress, practically kidnapping oppositor senators and attacking them.
The good thing about this, is that now he has no excuse to his lack of administrative capabilities. He has all the absolute power now.

Since he destroyed, he obstruct any action to replace the Tribunal Members coz the senate has the right to check the background of the judges elected by deputy chamber. Now he probably will, because he have the power of total majority to place any of HIS judges there.

- ...Building higways and schools?...maybe in the west, in the colla region..???...In the East, only one mayor highway is building, the one that will connect Santa Cruz with Brazil. But was not due Morales, but from the oppositor local government of Santa Cruz, with the aid of a loan from European Union. Other major roads (to Beni, for example) are full of deep potholes. Schools ...?.. yeah, during his political campaign, he delivered here about five schools with great propaganda. The Major of Santa Cruz (oppositor) quietly delivered more than a hundred schools just last year.

- The stipend for the elderly was not created by Morales, but by a former government. Was called "Bonosol", payed once a year. Morales change the way of payment (now is monthly) fractioning the yearly amount, and changed the name to "Renta Dignidad" (Dignity Rent), claiming he created.

Its ok. to give bonus to the elderly (equivalent to less that $US. 30,oo monthly), but they don't have health attention, medicine and hospitals, for example. That's the elderly need most.

The other bonuses are low too. Scholar kids recive BS. 200 YEARLY (about $US:30 too); and the mothers recive free attention in hospitals (that was not creation of Morales, but former administration) and some little money too ( about $US. 70 for his kid born, if I am not wrong, this one created by Morales), but all this is good to win elections and use as political propaganda. Oppositor governor of Tarija has ruled that local government take charge of all health in his region (any health attention is totally free there for EVERYBODY), but he doesen't have Morale's propaganda apparatus.

Oppositor Santa Cruz governor wanted to do something simmilar, but Morale's opposed (veto) saying that he will do it as a part of "his National Health Plan". Allmost 3 years since that, he doesen't have "his" health plan and we don't have our Basic Regional Health Plan, as Tarija is.

The problem of Morales is that he is absolutly lack of administrative skills and have big problems to accomplish with the yearly National Budget (he never has accomplish (spend) not even 50% of the yearly budget), so he NEED to spend. Creating bonuses (stipends) is one of the easiest way, and most profitable electorally.
In fact, all money "not spended" by not accomplishing the budget, has been sended to International Money Reserves, which has grow a lot. Any of you, who know Economics, know that's very, very bad for a country with so many needs.

But strangely, he has contracted huge private loans. Thank's that, we have the biggest debt ever.
That data I know thanks to senate oppositor members, who have hard time to know that information, due absolute lack of transparency of Morale's government. Now, citizen will have no legal way to know anything about his administrative disposals.

Yes, we are changing. But sadly, not for good.

Ruben Mundaca
12-10-2009, 03:03 AM
Some other economical data:

- Bolivia has recived a lot of money due to gas prices increase, Bolivia's main export product (as stated before, not specialy thanks to Morales nacionalizations as Drangel's article says. Former chief congressman has aproved a great increase in taxes to oil companys. Bolivia was allready reciving big money when Morales win the presidential election). Now if you look a statistics, we are not PRODUCING more gas or other goods during Morales government. In fact, in many fields we are producing LESS.
But the companies nacionalized by Morales, not a single one is producing more or is in better situation. The star companies nacionalized: Oil and gas; and comunications, are in very dangerous economical situation. We are exporting less gas, have lose export markets, not developing new fields or exploring. In comunications, ENTEL has lost about 30% of his former market, and increasing that lose evry year against other companies.
A Spanish company, encouraged by spanish government, will invest $US. 1.500.000.000 in exploration. Is not a big amount (for gas business), but hope that they can do what YPFB government can't.

- The first year of Morales government, thousands of bolivian citizens migrate to Spain, european countries and Brazil. The ammount of money sended by that people is about $US 900.000.000,oo at year. For bolivian little economy, thats a lot of money injected to the market.

- Another injection of money to the market come from drug traffiking. An estimate of at least $US. 1.000.000.000,oo goes directly to spending.

Keith Millea
12-10-2009, 06:16 PM
Ruben,
I do not know the political ins and outs of Bolivia,so it would be foolish of me to make an informed opinion.I will say this though.Your country had what at this time seems to be a free and fair election.Evo Morales recieved 63% of the vote.The great majority of your country seems to like the direction that Morales is taking.So I ask you this question.What don't you like about Democracy?Well,beside the fact that your choice didn't win.

Jan Klimkowski
12-10-2009, 07:54 PM
Bolivia: Revolutionary change

Editorial The Guardian,
Tuesday 8 December 2009

President Evo Morales won a stunning victory in Bolivia yesterday, taking 63% of the popular vote and guiding his party to win control of congress. Bolivia's first indigenous president has won the biggest popular mandate in recent memory, destroying three political parties that rotated the presidency between them for the last two decades. In doing this, Mr Morales has gone a long way to making the social transformation inside Bolivia irreversible. The Indian majority is getting back the voice denied to it for centuries. South Africa remembers Nelson Mandela, and eastern Europe the fall of the Berlin Wall. What a former herder of llamas has achieved in one of the world's poorest nations may be no less momentous.

Mr Morales has done this by defying the Washington consensus on development, natural gas and coca leaves. In his first term, he sent the IMF, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the US ambassador packing – all for different reasons. He renationalised the gas industry and increased royalties on hydrocarbons. The result was three years of budget surpluses and $8bn in cash reserves. He gave cash payments to school children, mothers and pensioners, giving poor families an incentive to keep children in full-time education. Curiously, Bolivia now wins praise from the IMF, which applauded the government's prudence in saving part of the windfall income from gas revenues.

The relationship with the US remains troubled, partly because Latin America is so low on the list of Barack Obama's foreign policy priorities. But there are also specific reasons: a decision by George Bush to suspend trade preferences benefiting Bolivian textile and jewellery workers, as punishment for failing to co-operate with his drug eradication programmes, was made permanent by Mr Obama. As a former leader of Bolivia's coca growers, Mr Morales's policy on the little green leaf differs little from the pragmatism British troops show to Afghan poppy growers. Mr Morales has allowed coca farmers to cultivate a limited acreage per family; he promotes the export of the leaf as a tea, and vowed to stop cocaine production. It should not be beyond the resources of the state department to get back on the right side of Bolivian history by re-establishing relations with a genuinely progressive president.

The future is clouded. It always is when one man is given so much power. There are question marks over how he will deal with his opponents, now that a national political opposition no longer exists. The country needs foreign investors to help it export value-added products instead of raw materials. But thus far, his efforts and his victory are to be applauded.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/08/bolivia-evo-morales-presidential-election

Ruben Mundaca
12-10-2009, 10:03 PM
Amazing, isn't it Jan?......

I am beliving that modern history is not writed by historicians, but by journalists that maybe spend some hours/day in a location, do a few interviews to certain people and run to write his history, coz newspaper have to be delivered in the morning....

Ho, well.....

Ruben Mundaca
12-10-2009, 10:59 PM
Ruben,
I do not know the political ins and outs of Bolivia,so it would be foolish of me to make an informed opinion.I will say this though.Your country had what at this time seems to be a free and fair election.Evo Morales recieved 63% of the vote.The great majority of your country seems to like the direction that Morales is taking.So I ask you this question.What don't you like about Democracy?Well,beside the fact that your choice didn't win.

Its not about my choice, Keith.

Maybe you live in an old democracy and is boring natural for you what is still a constant fight for us.

For example, to have a clean election, with vote not suspected to be fraudulenty inflated to gain total power. To have reliable electoral court that guarantee that voting is clean and don't promote or tolerate fraud.

Again:http://eldia.com.bo/index.php?cat=150&pla=3&id_articulo=21164 : Thousands of duplicated identification numbers found in the biometrical electoral registration, doing just a little sample of it. But the electoral court says "evrything's ok" and THEY VOTE. It's like duplicating your social security number, and give to other persons the same number.
That's concordant with the fact that electoral citizen registration has increased from Four millon voters to nearly 5.200.000 IN ONLY ONE YEAR.

He win with 62% of voter's choice?... that's nothing. Next election he will win with 200% of votes.

A Democracy is the rule of the law, and not the rule of a man (that's tyranny), where the voice and rights of minority have to be heared and respected too. Where the president is not only the first man of the country, buy his first server too.

A place where you can sleep quietly in your home, not expecting that Morale's send his "police" to take you in the middle of the night, carry you tied and hooded to a plane and sended to be trial in La Paz city accused of "felonies" that you never hear about, thousands of miles away from your home and city, with Morale's prosecutor and Morales judge. Because you are oppositor.

Democracy is transparency too. How can you pay your taxes if you see Morale's "Union Leaders" buying houses of thousands of dollars in exclusive city locations?... or driving the last Hummer vehicle?..... And when you want to know governmet revenues and expenses, they say, "yeah, shure... come tomorrow... and tomorrow... and tomorrow..."

When you see evryday that a man who swear to accomplish and enforce law and constitution, is the first to broke them...?.. when you see he is protecting drug traffiking?...( case of Margarita Teran's brothers, former Morale's lover caugth with 147 Kgs. of cocaine. That triggers Morale's decission to dismiss DEA from Bolivia. They are free now, despite they where caugth in flagrancy: http://www.lostiempos.com/diario/actualidad/local/20091010/hermanas-teran-faltan-a-audiencia-en-tribunales_40119_67750.html)

All that (and much more) is happening here. If you are interested, please take your time and read my previous posts.

Ruben Mundaca
12-17-2009, 02:19 AM
So, Senor Mundaca, what is Carlos Valverde Bravo's position on the Unión Juvenil Crucinista and the Camba Nacion?

A little more about Valverde: He just awarded again (by second or third consecutive year) the prize for "Best Analisis Journalism" gived by Bisa Group, the most important award for press in Bolivia.

Jan Klimkowski
12-17-2009, 06:22 PM
So, Senor Mundaca, what is Carlos Valverde Bravo's position on the Unión Juvenil Crucinista and the Camba Nacion?

A little more about Valverde: He just awarded again (by second or third consecutive year) the prize for "Best Analisis Journalism" gived by Bisa Group, the most important award for press in Bolivia.

Is that this bunch?


The BISA Financial Group is made up of Banco BISA, BISA Seguros, La Vitalicia, BISA Leasing, BISA Safi, BISA Titularizadora, Raisa and Bolsa. The Multimedia Communications Group is made up of the ATB television network and newspapers La Razón and Extra

Keith Millea
12-17-2009, 08:50 PM
Ruben,
The big problem is that you lost all credibility here for your positions way back in your very first post on this forum.


So, Morales government intelligence contact and hire Eduardo Rosza Flores as a double-agent. He went to Santa Cruz to contact opponents showing his war experience and his allegated capacity to organize a military resistance. Many oppositors take the bite and begin to give money and recive some training from Rosza, who begin to live a good life in the companion of his foreign friends (Michael Dwayer,Arpad Magyarosi, Elod Toaso) introduced as "military experts". But people begin to be tired to give money and recive allmost nothing, so they stop founding Rosza, specially when Rosza try to intimidate the catholic church cardinal by placing an explosive device in his residence while he was out of the city. Rosza do this as a way to justify the money he was reciving (without consulting his founders), telling people that they can blame the government, and asking more founding. By the other hand, he was asking more money to his real contractor ( the Morales government), threatening them to reveal the plot.

:hahaha:
Evo Morales hiring fascist assassins.

Ruben you're not gonna fool people here.

Ruben Mundaca
12-17-2009, 11:40 PM
Ruben,
The big problem is that you lost all credibility here for your positions way back in your very first post on this forum.


So, Morales government intelligence contact and hire Eduardo Rosza Flores as a double-agent. He went to Santa Cruz to contact opponents showing his war experience and his allegated capacity to organize a military resistance. Many oppositors take the bite and begin to give money and recive some training from Rosza, who begin to live a good life in the companion of his foreign friends (Michael Dwayer,Arpad Magyarosi, Elod Toaso) introduced as "military experts". But people begin to be tired to give money and recive allmost nothing, so they stop founding Rosza, specially when Rosza try to intimidate the catholic church cardinal by placing an explosive device in his residence while he was out of the city. Rosza do this as a way to justify the money he was reciving (without consulting his founders), telling people that they can blame the government, and asking more founding. By the other hand, he was asking more money to his real contractor ( the Morales government), threatening them to reveal the plot.

:hahaha:
Evo Morales hiring fascist assassins.

Ruben you're not gonna fool people here.

Yeah, whatever.....
Seems you ppl are way too much "smart" for me. No matter what I say or what I show to you, I allways will be "fooling you". Interesting...

Evo Morales HIRED those assasins and KILLED them too, that's what proofs points. If they where facist, maybe I can respect them, coz even facist fight and die for their beliefs. But they where just mercenaries. Big difference.

And what supposed to be my possition to have your "credibility" and some other people's of this forum, Keith ?... aplause the Morales crimes ?.... Ho, c'mon..... I live here, remember..??..

Ruben Mundaca
12-17-2009, 11:56 PM
So, Senor Mundaca, what is Carlos Valverde Bravo's position on the Unión Juvenil Crucinista and the Camba Nacion?

A little more about Valverde: He just awarded again (by second or third consecutive year) the prize for "Best Analisis Journalism" gived by Bisa Group, the most important award for press in Bolivia.

Is that this bunch?


The BISA Financial Group is made up of Banco BISA, BISA Seguros, La Vitalicia, BISA Leasing, BISA Safi, BISA Titularizadora, Raisa and Bolsa. The Multimedia Communications Group is made up of the ATB television network and newspapers La Razón and Extra

Yeah, that bunch.
I suppose that made them suspicious of some conspiracy, isn't it..??...

http://www.noticiasbolivianas.net/2009/12/12/nominan-a-erbol-a-dos-%E2%80%98premios-bisa-al-periodismo-2009/

Anyway, ERBOL (a governamental media) has been nominated too, and they don't seems to suspect any conspiracy. Maybe because BISA doesen't qualify the works, wich in fact are done by an independent jury conformed by representatives of journalism unions and organizations of Bolivia....??...