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Magda Hassan
02-20-2010, 12:01 PM
Not sure about the good Doctor or this event but interesting in any case.

CSETI Expedition Yields First Ever Photograph
of an Extraterrestrial
The shot was taken at Joshua Tree National Park in California, November 17, 2009, during a CSETI contact event overseen by Dr. Steven Greer.
This photo graph offers extraordinary evidence of interstellar, transdimensional technology, and the efficacy of CSETI contact protocols.

http://www.cseti.org/images/joshuatree09/DSCF4289a.jpg (http://www.cseti.org/reports/ETinsertLarge-50percent.htm)

Please go to:
http://www.cseti.org/reports/joshuatree09pictures.htm (http://www.cseti.org/reports/joshuatree09pictures.htm)
for the Full Set of Photos and Measurements

NOTE: These photos look much clearer when viewed on a High Definition computer screen or a High Definition TV screen.

Steven M. Greer, M.D.
Director, CSETI and The Disclosure Project
Each year since 1996, CSETI has conducted an intensive training event in Joshua Tree National Park to contact extraterrestrial civilizations. From November 15 through 21, 2009, CSETI staff and a group of 40 national and international students spent six nights deep in the park, learning and practicing the contact protocols.
Late the night of November 17, 2009 a series of remarkable--and historic--events transpired, including the visit of an extraterrestrial being within a few feet of the contact team, photographed by a senior team member.
Some background: Since 1996 we have had an increasing level of contact in Joshua Tree. (See the new book "Contact: Countdown to Transformation" (http://disclosureproject.org/ccttbook.htm) for a full history of CSETI contact experiences, including many at Joshua Tree.) In 1996, while conducting a similar expedition in Joshua Tree, we were visited by a very large disc-shaped ET craft that descended quickly from space and merged into the earth. This craft was 200+ feet in diameter, flat on the bottom and rose to a tapered point, much like a Hershey's Kiss. It was teal green in color, sparkling and not fully materialized, but very brilliant and visible. As it approached the earth, the desert was illumined very briefly as if it were daytime, and the craft rapidly entered the earth.
We noted the exact spot of entry, which is very deep in the center of the nearly 800,000-acre Joshua Tree National Park, and have conducted our contact expeditions at that site since 1996.
This site is also where the Orion Transmissions occurred. These are a series of electromagnetic signals downloaded via the CSETI radar detectors, which began in 2007 and continued intensely during our 2008 and 2009 expeditions. (See "Contact: Countdown to Transformation" (http://www.disclosureproject.org/ccttbook.htm) and accompanying DVD for interpretations and recordings of the transmissions.)
On the night of November 17, 2009, a series of remarkable events transpired. Upon setting up at the site, The Orion Transmissions recurred, with full lock-on of electromagnetic devices, including magnetometers, tri-field meters and radar and laser detectors. During a break, a group of us walked east from our contact site out onto the high desert plain where the craft in 1996 had entered the earth. We observed a strange, scintillating light in the shape of a circular craft, associated with soft, nuanced areas of vertical moving lights which we knew to be ET beings. Suddenly, a brilliant white laser-like light emerged from the ground and shot into space at a 45-degree angle. At this point we knew a 'vector' had been set up for further contact.
After some time, we turned to go back to the contact circle and suddenly there was an emerald green burst of light in the north, which illumined the entire park area. It appeared to emerge from the ground and go upwards, like a fountain of light, evolving through a number of beautiful colors: gold, pink, and magenta. Around this time, a meteor was reported over Utah, and it is not known if this light was associated--or coincidental--with that meteor.
As we walked back to the circle, I observed a soft white orb, about 3 inches in diameter, appear to the north of the path about 10-15 feet from us. It blipped into linear space/time briefly, then vanished, but while it was present it was moving with us back towards the group.
We returned to the group, all of whom were remarking on the brilliant display of light in the north. As we re-established order and were about to re-form our circle, a number of team members heard 3 or 4 voices speaking, from the direction of the path where the white laser light and orb were observed. I distinctly heard 1 male and 2 or 3 female voices. These voices were not speaking a known language and were emanating from an area where no human team members were standing!
At this point, we knew that there were ET beings very close to our contact circle. It was then, around 11:30 pm, as I was asking people to begin to be seated, that Raven Nabulsi took a remarkable photograph of an ET being floating above our chairs to the east, looking directly at the camera. She also took several photos before and after the one that showed the ET being, but all the other photos were completely black.
Those who have followed our research are aware of reports of transdimensional manifestations of ET craft and beings. We have had countless such encounters, but to my knowledge this is the first time that an ET has manifested so completely in a photograph. It is one of the most historic events in the history of the UFO/ET subject.
Any civilization capable of interstellar travel will have, by definition and requirement, transcended the light barrier and mastered the sciences that allow for dematerialization, re-materialization, teleportation, levitation and, most importantly, the interface between consciousness, thought and technology. Such sciences, while studied extensively within compartmented classified projects by humans, seem mysterious to most people. But they are rather common by extraterrestrial standards.
Indeed, interstellar civilizations require full competency of faster-than-the-speed-of-light travel, and with all that this implies. They do not 'speed up' to the speed of light and go through it, but instead, by using very advanced physics and electronics, create resonant frequency fields that allow for an object or person to easily phase shift beyond the speed of light into a form that is transdimensional.
The closest analogy for humans would be the lucid flying dream, wherein the subtle, astral body leaves the physical body and flies in the 'dream' state. But in the case of ET technologies, this is accomplished electronically and technologically. Think of it as a type of electronic astral projection--highly reliable, well controlled and specific.
For nearly 20 years, CSETI has reported on such strange manifestations of ET craft and beings during expeditions, but in this case, an actual ET being has been photographed.
The provenance of the photograph is not in doubt. Raven Nabulsi is a long-standing, trusted member of the CSETI team. Moreover, in 2009, she had asked the ETs to allow her to photograph them, even when not seen with the naked eye.
It was at such a moment--after the Orion Transmissions began, after the white laser emerged from the earth, after the 3-inch orb floated up the path with us, after the ET voices were heard--that Raven took this picture.

See http://www.cseti.org/reports/joshuatree09pictures.htm (http://www.cseti.org/reports/joshuatree09pictures.htm)
for Full Set of Photos and Measurements

NOTE: These photos look much clearer when viewed on a High Definition computer screen or a High Definition TV screen.
You will note that the ET is suspended in a cone of light which is originating from a small orb to the left of the bush. This is precisely the orb that we had seen that followed us up the path, and is in the location where the ET voices were heard just before the photo was taken.
The ET appears to be a male, wearing a type of vision augmenting goggles, with a very large head with an indented area demarked by ridges in the forehead. The hairline, ears, eyes, mouth and chin are clearly visible. Both arms can be discerned, as well as a torso and both legs, with boots on the feet. He is hovering a foot or two above the chairs that make up our contact circle, and is just east-southeast of the circle. His size is estimated at 3-5 feet in height. Note that he is leaning forward, with his torso and head twisted to look directly at the camera. His right leg is bent behind him.
The digital camera was a Fuji S7000 6-megapixel camera set on ISO 400, with an exposure of 3.5 seconds, WITHOUT flash or tripod. The camera was hand held. Neither the orb nor the ET being was seen with the naked eye. That he allowed himself to be so photographed during a CSETI Ambassador contact event is remarkable and historic. Indeed, a crescendo is being reached, where increasingly close and intimate contact is occurring between the ET civilizations concerned with Earth and the senior CSETI Ambassador team.
It might be asked why nothing was seen with the naked eye, but was captured by the digital camera. CCD image sensors are used in digital cameras to provide high-quality images and excellent light sensitivity. They can sometimes pick up ultraviolet and other spectra not visible to the naked eye.
For years, we have observed unusual light forms, discharges of light and areas of scintillating light around the contact site. Then, suddenly, a being or craft may materialize and then vanish.
This can be understood if one considers that, even when hovering, an ET spacecraft can be resonantly shifted beyond the crossing point of the speed of light, and the only manifestation of it may be unusual electromagnetic discharges, tones, or subtle light energy emissions as the object (or being) interacts with linear space/time. (See http://www.cseti.org/position/greer/crossingpoint.htm (http://www.cseti.org/position/greer/crossingpoint.htm) for an explanation of the Crossing Point.)
Hundreds of times during CSETI events, we have observed electromagnetic and magnetic field flux events (measured by detectors) while subtle scintillating light forms move around the contact group. Not infrequently, members of the team have been physically and palpably touched during such events, but when they look to see what is there, only thin air is observed, perhaps with some subtle light movement or field fluxing.
From observing this photograph, one can discern that, given the 3.5-second exposure with a handheld camera, the chairs and bushes are extremely crisp and clear while illuminated by the orb. This indicates a very brief 'bleed through' transdimensionally of this orb and ET being--the duration of which was most likely a fraction of a second, making observation with the naked eye unlikely. Neither the human eye's optics nor the neurological system in the optic nerve and brain would detect such an event, except perhaps as a very brief flash of light.
Indeed, such flashes of light and rapid fluxing of magnetic and electromagnetic fields were being observed and recorded during this time period.
Understanding how interstellar civilizations travel among the stars, or may appear around us, requires a complete rethinking of conventional physics and cosmology. Transdimensional sciences that include transluminal (faster than the speed of light) travel, communications, and interactions are the specialty of CSETI and are at the core of the CE-5 contact protocols (See http://www.cseti.org/ce5.htm (http://www.cseti.org/ce5.htm) on the CE-5 Initiative.)
By way of analogy, think of an old-fashioned radio, where you can turn a dial and go up and down the radio frequencies and find various stations. One might go to one frequency and hear a station clearly, and then go up the frequency scale to another level and hear another station clearly. But one might also be between distinct stations and hear both, or several, stations at once, but not clearly.
Similarly, the advanced physics and electromagnetic sciences associated with ET travel, communications and interactions may be completely beyond the crossing point of light and not visible at all, or a craft or ET being may be fully materialized, or, in this case, quasi-materialized--between stations, if you will.
While conventional scientists may scoff at such ideas, these concepts are taken seriously by those in the classified intelligence and aerospace community with whom I have met.
Moreover, some scientific humility is required: Any civilization capable of reaching Earth from distant galaxies or star systems has, by definition, mastered transluminal and transdimensional sciences. And why would they limit themselves to early 21st century human sciences? Perhaps part of the challenge of the UFO and ET subject is to expand human awareness of what is possible--of contact in multiple dimensions, where thought and machine are one, and where the limit of what is possible exceeds even the sky and space, and reaches to the farthest limits of human consciousness.

David Guyatt
02-20-2010, 12:54 PM
It is an intriguing article. Like you Magda, I also have reservations about the good Doctor.

But there are some interesting statements concerning the interdimensional aspect.

Does anyone have any idea what the "contact protocols" are?

Is it my innate cynicism that wonders why they apparently have a fuzzy - probably meaningless - photo of an alien, but didn't take one of the 200 feet diameter ET craft that arrived and burrowed itself into the earth?

Magda Hassan
02-20-2010, 01:12 PM
Does anyone have any idea what the "contact protocols" are?

I expect that is on their web site somewhere though I can't find it. Nor on the 'Disclosure Project 'page.

David Guyatt
02-20-2010, 05:37 PM
Many thanks for looking. I'm sure it will become apparent sooner or later.

I imagine that this "protocol" will turn out to be some form of channeling. Certainly not scientific, which I think is somewhat of a myth that some of the Disclosure people likes to perpetuate.

For me there are distinct shadows here of George Adamski of 50 years ago. The question is whether Greer and co turn out to be as equally fake as Adamski was proven to be? Dunno.

Time will tell I expect.

David Guyatt
02-21-2010, 06:06 PM
I either did not know, or had forgotten about the stargate/time machine aspect of Kammler's "Bell". I also was not aware that's it Nazi code name was "Chronos" (Saturn) the God of time.

For all the pictures included with the article, simply click on the link. I am, however, pasting in the picture taken from the film Contact because it does, indeed, include WWII footage of Hitler and that cannot have been incuded in the film by mistake. The explanation offered makes perfect sense.

I can also see how the now famous Operation Highjump of August 1946 (shortly after the end of the war in Europe) could factor into the Kammler Bell story.

I have considerable doubts about the "heavenly stone" grail aspect the author discusses, this, I think, may be a case of conflation in the authors mind - but even so it is still an interesting read.


Holy Disk, Holy Grail - Countdown to Zero Point

By Goro Adachi
Date Oct. 16, 2002

...continued from Page 1:

Beyond Contact

The book/movie 2001: A Space Odyssey is on many levels the primer for the 'game' of the coded warning currently in progress. It specifies the timeframe (around 2001), key players (Odyssey, NASA), and the nature of the event (space exploration, First Contact, suppression of the information, evolutionary breakthrough).

Though the tale is about Contact with higher intelligence, '2001: A Space Odyssey' is notable for the no-show of any extraterrestrial creatures - which actually contributes to the mystical depth of the story.

There is actually another popular novel/movie about 'Contact' that similarly features no physical ETs and has a spiritual message. This is Contact, written by Carl Sagan.

Sagan, it should be pointed out, was a major figure in the scientific community and a major driving force behind the whole SETI movement, including the golden disk carried by the Voyager spacecraft and the Arecibo message transmission, i.e. the two SETI messages "answered" by the recent 2001 and 2002 'alien' crop formations. Therefore, indications are that Contact may potentially be viewed as a secondary primer.

This is an important development - because, as those who have seen the movie should easily recall, the very first coded message, i.e. First Contact, received by the radio telescopes in Contact was a video of Hitler making his energetic speech at the Olympic Games.


In other words, the momentous First Contact event was somehow overlaid with the dark imagery of Nazi Germany, just as the 2002 alien crop formation seems to relate to this regime of terror!

This is obviously a strong confirmatory clue that urges us to continue this line of investigation.

Another interesting aspect of Contact is the hyperdimensional transporter - a 'stargate' - constructed from the blueprint found encoded in the extraterrestrial radio signal. It was suggested that it was through hyperdimensional technology that mankind makes the next evolutionary jump. Mastering the (meta-) physics of hyperspace - the realm beyond our normal 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions - was therefore portrayed as the coming gateway through which the next New World opens up for the human race.

Is it, then, just a coincidence that the Third Reich has been found heavily entangled with antigravity and 'flying saucer' technology? The modern UFO phenomenon, in fact, started during the time of World War II with the mysterious 'foo-fighters' and such. Even the legendary Roswell UFO crash incident took place in 1947, just two years after the war (when a lot of Nazi technology had been brought over to the U.S.).

Could Nazi Germany have possibly developed antigravity/hyperdimensional technology? Could they have possessed such "Ultra-Tech" knowledge?

The Dark Legacy

It was around the beginning of October that I unwittingly started reading The Hunt for Zero Point by Nick Cook. The reason for purchasing the book was simple: I wanted to read something intellectually stimulating. It had been some months since I last sat down and lost myself in a book, that I felt growing internal hunger for some fresh input.

To feed my mind, I went to Amazon.com and looked for an interesting book or two. I went down the long list of books I had compiled in my web browser. These were books that I was interested in but wasn't quite motivated enough to purchase before. This time, one entry seemed a perfect read for me, as its subject matter, Zero Point Energy and antigravity, was something I had always wanted to know more about but hadn't had the chance to do so. After finding another promising book, dealing with ancient Egypt, I duly ordered The Hunt for Zero Point and hoped that it wouldn't be another disappointing purchase.

In two days, the book arrived by mail and I wasted no time delving into the story. And rather quickly, I found myself captivated by the detailed dark side of modern history. Nick Cook, aviation editor for the respected military-affairs journal Jane's Defence Weekly, had conducted a unique and journalistic investigation into the 'black' world of secret technology and, following the persisting whispers of antigravity, traveled around the world in search of the "Holy Grail," as gravity-control technology is often called in the field.

Inevitably, the label reminded me of the 'heavenly stone' theme. The Holy Grail of medieval legend was sometimes described as a stone; and in Parzival by Wolfram von Eschenbach,[9] the name given to the sacred relic is lapsit exillis, usually interpreted to mean 'stone from heaven' (lapis ex caelis) or 'it fell from heaven' (lapsit ex caelis). The Holy Grail, in other words, was just another name for the heavenly/meteoric stone variously called the Benben stone, omphalos, foundation stone, etc.

A variation on the same theme is also present in 2001: A Space Odyssey. The mysterious 'Monolith' that punctuates human evolution in the story has the same symbolism. The Monolith is the Holy Grail. The epoch of '2001' is therefore suggested to be a time for us to make Contact with the next 'Holy Grail'. And the movie Contact lets us know that the coming Grail will be hyperdimensional technology, i.e. Zero Point Energy, antigravity, time-travel, etc.

I wasn't consciously aware of it at the time, but the book in my hands was my personal version of the alien radio signal from out there carrying vital information about the Holy Grail.

As I read on, I realized that all roads stemming from the signs of this momentous technology would inevitably lead back to World War II, and specifically, the Third Reich. Cook is no conspiracy theorist, but even he increasingly found it difficult to deny the overwhelming connection as his investigation progressed forward.

An important key piece of the puzzle Cook managed to acquire was an old book long forgotten by the world titled Blunder! How the U.S. Gave Away Nazi Supersecrets to Russia by Tom Agoston. "What Blunder! contained... was dynamite," Cook wrote," for Agoston had established what no other researcher has managed to before or since." The unique information Agoston had came directly from SS colonel Wilhelm Voss who had become "Kammler's alter ego in the administration of the special projects group." As Kammler was the guy in charge of all the secret weapons operations, Voss was certainly in position to know deep secrets known only to the Nazi elite in the highly compartmentalized military system.

Agoston, who worked as an air photo interpreter and foreign correspondent during wartime, "ran into Voss" when he was in Germany to cover the Nuremberg war crimes trials. Voss then took shelter in Agoston's house, where he would tell the reporter everything. From those interviews conducted in 1949, Agoston learned of the deep black projects, the secrecy of which was beyond any other secret military project. This was the "most advanced high-technology research and development center within the Third Reich":

While Kammler [in charge of Nazi secret weapons projects] carried out his job to the letter, churning out the rockets and jet aircraft that Hitler hoped would turn the tide against the Allies in the closing weeks of the war, he also set up, unbeknownst to anyone connected with those projects, a top secret research center tasked with the development of follow-on technology, a place where work on "second-generation" secret weapons was already well advanced... What Kammler had established was a "special projects office," a forerunner of the entity that had been run by the bright young colonels of the USAF's stealth program in the 1970s and 1980s; a place of vision, where imagination could run free, unfettered by the restraints of accountability. Exactly the kind of place, in fact, you'd expect to find antigravity technology, if such an impossible thing existed.[10]

Voss described the activities of the scientists [in this secret operation] as beyond any technology that had appeared by the end of the war - working on weapon systems that made the V-1 and the V-2 look pedestrian.[11]

During the final phase of the war, Kammler was reportedly scheming to make a deal with the Americans, using his advanced weapons and specialists as leverage. By April 18, 1945, Kammler had disappeared without trace. Cook had to wonder: did Kammler negotiate successfully with the U.S. to realize his escape from justice? The fact that the U.S. official documents had virtually nothing on this central figure in the technological world of the Reich certainly hinted conversely that Kammler was very important to the U.S. and that the latter had something to hide about him.

Adding to this suspicion was what Voss said about his interview with the U.S. Counter-Intelligence Corps. When Voss told the agents about Kammler's secret weapons program, he saw that the Americans were not surprised by it and therefore had to conclude that they somehow already had this information. Voss also noted that the agents were simply not interested in finding Kammler. Additionally, it was found that "there were dozens of high-ranking former SS or Party members that had never been called to account. They had simply disappeared. Many of them shared the distinction of having had access to highly advanced technology."[12]

Kammler was a ruthless and powerful SS officer who had committed numerous war crimes. Even Operation Paperclip would have had great trouble importing him into the United States. It probably could have been done under extreme secrecy, but the operation would have been too risky and extensive to appear manageable to U.S. agents - unless, Cook speculated, Kammler had something so spectacular that the Americans just had to have, perhaps some exotic technology developed in one of his top-secret projects.

And Cook eventually does find just such a thing.

For Whom the Bell Tolls...

During his investigation, Cook was introduced to a researcher in Poland named Igor Witkowksi, a former defense journalist, who had done extensive research on secret Nazi weapons. And Witkowski was able to provide Cook with valuable information that he had managed to obtain from some official documents - he gained access to these with the assistance of a Polish government official.

In the documents were found references to a highly secret organization called 'the Special Evacuation Kommando' associated with Bormann's mysterious "General Plan 1945," some kind of evacuation scheme. This was evidently a matter considered very important by the Nazi leaders.

In charge of of the Special Evacuation unit's "northern route" cell was a very high-ranking SS general named Jakob Sporrenberg, who was captured by the British and handed over to the Poles. During interrogations, he let out his knowledge regarding some mysterious high-tech machine called "Die Glocke" - 'the Bell'.

Following his capture, as much as Sporrenberg was able to divulge to Soviet intelligence and the Polish courts about the Bell was this, Witkowski said. The project had gone under two code names: "Laternentrager" and "Chronos" and always involved "Die Glocke" - the bell-shaped object that had glowed when under test. The Bell itself was made out of a hard, heavy metal and was filled with a mercury-like substance, violet in color... The experiments always took place under a thick ceramic cover and involved the rapid spinning of two cylinders in opposite directions...[13]

The tests involved placing various plants and animals within the Bell's influence. Almost all of them were destroyed: "A crystalline substance formed within the tissues, destroying them from the inside; liquids, including blood, gelled and separated into clearly distilled fractions." People in the program also suffered from "sleep problems, loss of memory and balance, muscle spasms and a permanent unpleasant taste in the mouth." Many of the scientists even died as a result of their exposure to the activated Bell.

According to Sporrenberg, this enigmatic 'Bell' was evacuated by the Special Evacuation Kommando before the enemy forces arrived.

So, what the hell was this 'Bell' that was so important?

According to Sporrenberg, it was associated with "vortex compression" and "magnetic fields separation," and a related source suggested that the Bell had something to do with "spin polarization" and "spin resonance." These were, Witkowski pointed out to Cook, "physical principles that had come to be associated with the new wave of gravity and antigravity pioneers - people like Dr. Evgeny Podkletnov..."

Could this be it? Was the 'Bell' an antigravity device? Could this be what Kammler and others used to make a deal with the United States? If the 'Bell' really was an operational antigravity machine, it would have certainly been spectacular enough to effectively seduce the victors of the war.

Actually, the 'Bell' could potentially be something even more spectacular. "Marckus," an eminent scientist in one of Britain's best-known universities (Cook refrains from using this person's real name), who had become Cook's unofficial technical adviser, had an insight. Cook wrote:

Shortly before I boarded my flight at Munich, I checked my cell phone for messages. There were four and Dan Marckus had left three of them. Whatever was on his mind, I knew I was on to something, because, for once, Marckus was chasing me.
With one eye on the departure gate and another on the clock, I called him back.
Even over the bustle of movement in the departure hall and the static of a bad line, I could tell something was definitely up. [...]
"I know what they were trying to do," he said simply. [...]
My tone softened. "OK, go ahead. I'm listening."
"They were trying to generate a torsion field."
"What is a torsion field?"
"Laternentrager means 'lantern holder.' But it's the second code name that's the giveaway. Chronos. You know what it means, don't you?"
"Yes, Dan. I know what it means. What is a torsion field? What does it do?"
"If you generate a torsion field of sufficient magnitude the theory says you can bend the four dimensions of space around the generator. [...] When you bend space, you also bend time." [...]
"Now, do you understand what they were trying to do?"
I said nothing. It was Marckus who closed the loop.
"They were trying to build a fucking time machine," he said.[14]

In effect, then, the Nazis were constructing a 'stargate'! If only half true, this would still be an astounding development. Following this scenario, moreover, we would have the U.S. receiving this amazing but dangerous 'gift'. And, of course, in the movie Contact, the blueprint for the 'stargate' received by the U.S. came in the form of a video of the Nazis (!).

As I tried to digest all this, I was hit by a new wave of striking correlations. First of all, I realized that the text of the 'alien warning' had certain words/expressions seemingly hinting at the 'Bell'.

Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. EELRIJUE. There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING (BELL SOUND)

I noted that the reference to 'bell sound' was immediately preceded by 'conduit closing'. There was also a mention of 'time', and of course there was the 'false gifts' part and all its associations. The alien crop formation had led me to the Third Reich's secret technology, to the 'Bell'; and now I saw that the alien message seemed to be able to confirm, through the bell-conduit-time juxtaposition, the 'Bell stargate/time machine' theory and its function as the 'Ultra-Tech false gift' given to the U.S.

It had also struck me that the Bell's code name Chronos ('Time') would nicely relate to the Santa/Christmas/December theme. Chronos, I knew, was essentially another term for Saturn (or Cronus) the god/planet of time, and I also knew that Christmas had likely evolved from the festival of Saturn in mid-December, Saturnalia. Indeed, Santa could be viewed as an alter ego of Saturn (as well as Osiris).

So, from this I had to conjecture again, with a little more clarity this time, that there would be an event involving 'false gifts' from an 'anti-Santa', that is, hyperdimensional technology stemming from the Third Reich. Would this take place in December 2002? I was not so sure yet. But as the 'coincidences' kept piling up, the sense was certainly growing that something was definitely up and that the 'Monolith' - the 'Grail' - was well on its way.

With a sense of fascination and bewilderment, I closed the book. The Hunt for Zero Point was definitely a book I was supposed to read. Funny how things work sometimes. I felt as if there was some invisible force guiding my decisions at critical times. My random actions, in hindsight, were often not so random, and this seemed to be a pattern applicable to reality as a whole as well.

Still, it was difficult to comprehend or accept that this one book that I just happened to pick up was meant to be an integral part of the 'alien message' I was trying to understand at the time. I had to question whether I was detecting connections - signals in the noise - only because I subconsciously wanted them to be there.

In uncertainty, I quietly stared at The Hunt For Zero Point sitting on the table, silently asking 'Is this for real?' Then out of nowhere, a new question entered my mind. 'When was this book published?' For some reason, I already knew the answer. To check, I went to Amazon.com.

I was right. In the U.S., the book was released on August 13, 2002. And, of course, the alien crop formation was reportedly created on/around August 14, 2002 in England (the land of Nick Cook, the author of the book). Due to geography, U.S. time is as much as 8 hours behind Britain. So, the August 14 of Britain was necessarily overlapping the August 13 of the U.S.

In other words, for all intents and purposes, the 'alien warning' and The Hunt for Zero Point appeared simultaneously!

Now I was sure. What I had detected were no mere coincidences. I was detecting a deliberate and elegant design.

Holy Physics, Holy Grail

In 2002, the issue of antigravity is suddenly being taken seriously. Just this month (October), for instance, there was a mainstream news story that reported on the potential breakthrough work of Dr. Evgeny Podkletnov:

Russian scientist Evgeny Podkletnov is challenging one of the most sacred tenets of physics -- the law of gravity. Podkletnov claims that when objects are placed above a high-temperature, superconducting ceramic disk rotating within an electromagnetic field, the objects lose as much as 2 percent of their original weight. He calls the effect "gravity shielding," and when word of his research reached the public in 1996, a brief media circus ensued. Many in the physics community dismissed his effort as wishful thinking.
Now, however, several mainstream organizations -- including Boeing (BA), NASA, and British aerospace giant BAE Systems (BAESY) -- are lending fresh credibility to Podkletnov's claims. Phantom Works, Boeing's top-secret R&D arm, recently disclosed that it is monitoring his research. "We've seen his work, and we'd like to see it developed further," says Boeing spokesman Dave Phillips. Meanwhile, NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center has awarded a $600,000 contract to Ohio-based Superconductive Components in an attempt to build its own version of Podkletnov's gravity-shielding device -- the effort should be complete later this year.

Dr. Podkletnov's work is also discussed in The Hunt for Zero Point. (Interestingly, it is speculated that he has some kind of indirect connection with the high-tech Nazi research.[15]) In fact, when Podkletnov first resurfaced after disappearing following his 1996 announcement, Cook was there to catch the lecture he gave. One of the specific pieces of information Cook obtained was that Podkletnov used 30-cm rotating disks (superconductors) to generate antigravitic effects.

Disks... 30 cm... Well, it's deja vu all over again. If we recall, the size of the German 'Sun Disk', Voyager golden disk, and the apparent relative size of the alien crop disk were all ~30 cm in diameter.

Antigravity. Zero Point Energy. Hyperdimensional technology. NASA ...Nazi legacy.

And of course, to nicely close the loop, we can't forget Mars. NAZI's...I mean, NASA's Odyssey spacecraft is orbiting the Red Planet as we speak and coming very close to revealing the secret of Cydonia. By now, we should not be surprised to remember that, according to Richard Hoagland and others, the 'Message of Cydonia', geometrically expressed by the "monuments" there, has long been found to involve none other than hyperdimensional physics. And, to add even more coherence, in The Monuments of Mars, written many years ago, Hoagland specifically pointed out the relevance of crop circles:

Implicit in this "urgent" interpretation of the "Message" (particularly, its dramatic reappearance in the "crop glyphs"), we suddenly realized, might be the promise of a "Cydonia technology" - which, if feasible, would have a desperately-needed positive environment impact. Could it be, we asked in growing wonder - as we gazed at what seemed more and more like highly intricate, engineering crop glyphs - that "someone," in our "hour of global environment crisis," was trying very hard to "subtly instruct us" in how to build a set of mechanical systems - designed to harness the benign energies and forces implicit in the "ultimate" development of a "new physics!"[16]

Very insightful. So Hoagland, in effect, had correctly anticipated the latest 2002 alien crop glyph's less subtle coded message.

The pieces of the puzzle are coming together beautifully, and the message is becoming loud and clear. The good news is, the 'future' is almost here. The bad news is, it may come with a dangerous virus. Cook's science adviser ("Marckus") aptly expressed this disturbing situation:

"When the Americans tripped over this mutant strain of nonlinear physics and took it back home with them, they were astute enough to realize that their home-grown scientific talent couldn't handle it. That it was beyond their cultural term of reference. That's why they recruited so many Germans. The Nazis developed a unique approach to science and engineering quite separate from the rest of the world, because their ideology, unrestrained as it was, supported a wholly different way of doing things. Von Braun's V-2s are a case in point, but so was their understanding of physics. The trouble was, when the Americans took it all home with them they found out, too late, that it came infected with a virus. You take the science on, you take on aspects of the ideology, as well."[17]

And because of this, Santa's special delivery may come, not from North Pole, but South Pole - i.e., 'false gifts'.

Things are moving fast now. Mankind is about to move into a New World. It's Mars, it's hyperspace, it's Psi -- it's 'the other side'. But like crossing the Atlantic, the transition will not be easy. The 21st Century is the era of this momentous shift for mankind, and we are about to be given a 'fire'. Unless we learn to handle the fire with respect and great care, there is a good chance that the ship of human civilization will be found at the bottom of the abyss in the next century.

Tick tock, tick tock... Waiting for the Bell sound.

Jan Klimkowski
02-21-2010, 06:22 PM
David - you and I have discussed this several times already, and I'm sure will do so again.

Goro Adachi's article above was of course written in 2002, before Joseph P Farrell's books, which as we both know, take this dark possibility further. Albeit with a large helping of educated speculation:

# Reich of the Black Sun: Nazi Secret Weapons and the Cold War Allied Legend (Adventures Unlimited Press, 2005)
# SS Brotherhood of the Bell: The Nazi's Incredible Secret Technology (Adventures Unlimited Press, 2006)
# Secrets of the Unified Field: The Philadelphia Experiment, The Nazi Bell, and the Discarded Theory (Adventures Unlimited Press, 2008)

Farrell worked extensively with Igor Witkowski too.

David Guyatt
02-22-2010, 09:35 AM
David - you and I have discussed this several times already, and I'm sure will do so again.

Goro Adachi's article above was of course written in 2002, before Joseph P Farrell's books, which as we both know, take this dark possibility further. Albeit with a large helping of educated speculation:

# Reich of the Black Sun: Nazi Secret Weapons and the Cold War Allied Legend (Adventures Unlimited Press, 2005)
# SS Brotherhood of the Bell: The Nazi's Incredible Secret Technology (Adventures Unlimited Press, 2006)
# Secrets of the Unified Field: The Philadelphia Experiment, The Nazi Bell, and the Discarded Theory (Adventures Unlimited Press, 2008)

Farrell worked extensively with Igor Witkowski too.

Much HERE (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread542065/pg1)on Farrell that is well worth a squint.

David Guyatt
02-22-2010, 10:34 AM
Just to add more flavour to this discussion - and on the understanding that a picture is worth a thousand words, here's 2000 words worth of pictures:

Stonehenge, Wiltshire, England:


Site of the Nazi Bell - "Die Glocke" - near Ludwigsdorf, Poland:


When listening to Farrell in his Project Camelot interview, note what he says about "torsion" using the soda can analogy -- or, in other words, the energy of opposing spirals. One might even think of Chinese Taoist alchemy utilizing these same forces and which they named Yin & Yang - and which is the foundation of a Tai Chi masters Pen (centrifugal) and Lu (centripetal) expression of Chi energy.


David Guyatt
02-22-2010, 10:48 AM
Per Farrell:

David Guyatt
02-22-2010, 11:29 AM
I'm not gong to post the whole article here, but just a few relevant extracts.


What is red mercury?
By Chris Summers
BBC News

Three men have been cleared of trying to procure the raw ingredients for a "dirty bomb" which the prosecution claimed could have devastated a British city if it fell into the hands of terrorists. But mystery surrounds the material at the centre of the plot. So what exactly is red mercury?


When he gave evidence Kanyare said he believed red mercury was a liquid...


That red mercury is a reference to cinnabar, a naturally-occurring mercuric sulphide.

Thus from a Chinese Taoist alchemical text:


Cinnabar Fields

Fabrizio Pregadio

The Cinnabar Fields, or dantian, are three loci in the human body that play a major role in breathing, meditation, and neidan ("internal alchemy") practices. Located in the regions of the abdomen, heart, and brain, but devoid of material counterparts, they establish a tripartite division of inner space that corresponds to other threefold motives in the Taoist pantheon and cosmology.

Upper Cinnabar Field,
located in the region of the brain

The three Fields. The lower Cinnabar Field is the dantian proper and is the seat of essence (jing). Different sources place it at 1.3, 2, 2.4, 3, or 3.6 inches (cun) below or behind the navel, and consider it to be the same as, or closely related to, other loci in the same region of the body: the Gate of the Vital Force (mingmen), the Origin of the Pass (guanyuan), and the Ocean of Breath (qihai). In the first stage of the neidan process ("refining essence into breath"), circulating the essence along these two channels generates the inner elixir.



From: gor_363 (Original Message)
Sent: 3/3/2006 12:51 AM

Dear Members:The story starts from Kamala-Jnana as one of nom de plume of a contemporary alchemists (maybe Roger Caro or Jean Deleuvre)that was a Superior of the Temple of Ajunta.During the 60's, the Temple Initiatique Alchimique d'Ajunta wasfounded by Jean Deleuvre (known also probably as Kamala-Jnana). A book waspublished with photographs showing the main steps of the alchemicalwork (Cinabre Path).After Deleuvre's death, Roger Caro became the new leader of this groupand changed the name of Temple of Ajunta into Freres Aines de la roseCroix. In 1973, the organisation decided to be "asleep" for 25 yearsin order to match with rosicrucian traditions (?).

In his interview Farrell briefly covers the Vril Society. I am pasting in the below article to further elucidate this very curious subject - principally because of the occult connections discussed and because Vril energy in connection to UFO was being openly discussed amongst "Ufologists" back in the 1950's and 1960's. Again I am only posting part of the article. Much f the remaining pat is so speculative as to be uninteresting imo.


The Vril Society, the Luminous Lodge and the Realization of the Great Work

- © Terry Melanson 2001
The Vril Society or The Luminous Lodge combined the political ideals of the Order of the Illuminati with Hindu mysticism, Theosophy and the Cabbala. It was the first German nationalist groups to use the symbol of the swastika as an emblem linking Eastern and Western occultism. The Vril Society presented the idea of a subterranean matriarchal, socialist utopia ruled by superior beings who had mastered the mysterious energy called the Vril Force.

"This secret society was founded, literally, on Bulwer Lytton's novel The Coming Race (1871). The book describes a race of men psychically far in advance of our own. They have acquired powers over themselves and over things that made them almost godlike. For the moment they are in hiding. They are said to live in caves in the center of the Earth. Soon they will emerge to reign over us."

While researching their classic book, Morning of the Magicians, authors Jacques Bergier and Louis Pauwels were given the above account by one of the world's greatest rocket experts, Dr. Willy Ley, who fled Germany in 1933. Dr. Ley said that the Vril Society—which formed shortly before the Nazis came to power—believed they had secret knowledge that would enable them to change their race and become equals of the men hidden in the bowels of the Earth. Methods of concentration, a whole system of internal gymnastics by which they would be transformed.

These methods of concentration were probably based on Ignatius Loyola's Spiritual Exercises. The Jesuit techniques of concentration and visualization are similar to many occult teachings, especially in shamanic cults and Tibetan Buddhism. The Nazi's revered these Jesuit Spiritual Exercises, which they believed had been handed down from ancient Masters of Atlantis. The occultists of the time knew that Ignatius was a Basque — some claimed that the Basque people were the last remnant of the Atlantean race — and the proper use of these techniques would enable the reactivation of the Vril for the dominance of the Teutonic race over all others.

The Vril Society believed that whoever becomes master of the Vril will be the master of himself, of others around him and of the world. The belief was that the world will change and the "Lords" will emerge from the center of the Earth. Unless we have made an alliance with them and become "Lords" ourselves, we shall find ourselves among the slaves, on the dung-heap that will nourish the roots of the New Cities that will arise.

In The Unknown Hitler, Wulf Schwarzwaller says:

“In Berlin, Haushofer had founded the Luminous Lodge or the Vril Society. The Lodge's objective was to explore the origins of the Aryan race and to perform exercises in concentration to awaken the forces of "Vril". Haushofer was a student of the Russian magician and metaphysician George Gurdjieff. Both Gurdjieff and Haushofer maintained that they had contacts with secret Tibetan lodges that possessed the secret of the "Superman." The Lodge included Hitler, Aalfred, Rosenberg, Himmler, Goring and Hitler's subsequent personal physician Dr. Morell. It is also known that Aleister Crowley and Gurdjieff sought contact with Hitler. Hitler's unusual powers of suggestion become more understandable if one keeps in mind that he had access to the "secret" psychological techniques of Gurdjieff which, in turn, were based on the teachings of the Sufis and the Tibetan lamas and familiarized him with the Zen teaching of the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon.”

The Vril Force and the Black Sun
In Lytton's The Coming Race, the subterranean people use the Vril Force to operate and govern the world (a few children armed with vril-powered rods are said capable of exterminating a race of over 22 million threatening barbarians). Served by robots and able to fly on vril-powered wings, the vegetarian Vril-ya are — by their own reckoning — racially and culturally superior to everyone else on Earth, above or below the ground. At one point the narrator concludes (from linguistic evidence) that the Vril-ya are "descended from the same ancestors as the great Aryan family, from which in varied streams has flowed the dominant civilization of the world."

The Vril Force or Vril Energy was said to be derived from the Black Sun, a big ball of "Prima Materia" which supposedly exists in the center of the Earth, giving light to the Vril-ya and putting out radiation in the form of Vril. The Vril Society believed that Aryans were the actual biological ancestors of the Black Sun.

This force was known to the ancients under many names, and it has been called Chi, Ojas, Vril, Astral Light, Odic Forces and Orgone. In a discussion of the 28th degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry—called Knight of the Sun or Prince Adept— Albert Pike said, "There is in nature one most potent force, by means whereof a single man, who could possess himself of it, and should know how to direct it, could revolutionize and change the face of the world."

This is the force that the Nazis and their inner occult circle were so desperately trying to unleash upon the world, for which the Vril Society had apparently groomed Hitler. A manifestation of the "Great Work" promulgated by the Adepts of secret societies throughout the ages. The Vril Society latched on to a very old archetype already in the minds of alchemists and magicians, which was only re-interpreted, by Lytton, in light of that age of occult revival and scientific progress.

The idea of mutation and transformation into a higher form of a "god-man" was envisioned, through the Vril-ya, in Buller-Lytton's The Coming Race. Lytton, himself, was an initiate of the Rosicrucians and was well versed in the arcane-esoteric philosophies (and of course the greatest advances in the sciences of his day). "Through his romantic works of fiction he expressed the conviction that there are beings endowed with superhuman powers. These beings will supplant us and bring about a formidable mutation in th elect of the human race."(J. Bergier)

David Guyatt
02-22-2010, 01:05 PM
On several occasions during his interview, Farrel references the Beehive. Indeed, Die Gocke was sometimes called the “Beehive” by the Nazis working on it, and when operating it gave off a buzzing or humming sound that was reminiscent of the noise made by bees swarming.

It must, therefore, be of some significance that occult-wise, the Bee and the Beehive is a profoundly important symbol. Gareth Knight, in his book: “A Practical Guide to Qabalistic Symbolism” has this to say on the subject:

The beehive is a profound esoteric symbol, traditionally brought to Earth
From Venus as a pattern for early man of. the goal of civilization, the co-operation of all for the common good,which is by no. means incompatible with the full development of
human free-will.

It is also said of the Bee and Beehive:

Two of the potencies of human consciousness that have their root in Venus or Netzach are creative imagination and desire. These are two sine qua non of occult development. Without knowledge of the right use of creative imagination and desire, the aspirant makes little progress.

I’m trying to avoid going too deeply into occult lore even though this has a tremendous bearing on the subject, as Farrell makes abundantly clear in his interview and book. One reason why occult symbolism was made so convoluted and difficult to understand was to avoid the abuse and misuse of the fundamental knowledge that was revealed by it.

“Weaponizing” ages old occult knowledge definitely was not the goal, but it was the one chosen by the Nazis and SS. But as John Bormann made clear in his epic film Excalibur, a sword can be used to to heal as well as to hack - or a Gareth Knight states “the right use” - unless, of course, one is set on the wrong use where progress of the aspirant is not the goal.

David Guyatt
02-22-2010, 02:44 PM
Finally, the Project Camelot interview with Farrell contains a fascinating discussion about the recent (and ongoing) financial crisis and what he considers are it's likely true causes.

And on this subject, forum members may also wish to download and read Paul Manning's important book, Martin Bormann - Nazi in Exile, freely available in .pdf format from Dave Emory's excellent Spitfire.com website. Direct download HERE (http://spitfirelist.com/books/manning.pdf)

Farrell, to my mind anyway, has the general contours - and some specific ones too - of the big picture that confronts our world today.

David Guyatt
02-22-2010, 04:21 PM
Where I diverge from Farrell's perspective - as expounded in the above-mentioned interview, is that post WWII the Nazis continued their experiments in Argentina and elsewhere in Latin America without the knowledge of or the assistance of the US. Or, at least some senior elements in the US - and indeed, in other allied nations.

Farrell discusses Bilderberg as being a funnel for laundering Bormann controlled money and investing it in western banks and countries across the world. This certainly is what Paul Manning reveals in his book on Bormann, although manning doesn't specifically mention the Bilderberg group.

What makes far more sense to me is that post WWII, many senior elements in allied and other governments, who politically favoured the pro business attitude of the Third Reich, joined forces to facilitate an ongoing "Nazi International", that had, in fact, existed prior to, and during the war, and which we know was used in the last year of the war to help Bormann funnel Nazi plunder out of Germany as the allied armies approached.

David Guyatt
02-22-2010, 07:07 PM
Multi-part 2007 iterview with Dr. Jacques Vallee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIydfxEzdiQ).

During the course of the Vallee interview, a discussion ensues on Vallee's involvement with Remote Viewing at SRI. Obviously this discussion involves Ingo Swann and references Swann's book "Penetration - The Question of Human and Extraterrestrial Telepathy".

The original dust cover of this book - it has apparently been changed on later editions (to an anodyne image) shows an alien head seemingly embedded in a curious technological device like a long crane (the book is freely available as a .pdf file on Scribd but I can upload a copy if requested).

I know I've alread covered this on another thread (HERE (http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26&)), but I am always struck by the likeness of this alien head to the alien character of "Mekon" from the Dan Dare series in the 1950's British comic The Eagle.


Click on the above DPF thread to see the similarities between Crowley's Master Lam, the modern day "Grey" alien of Whitley Streiber the fictitious comic figure of Mekon (above) and Swann's "remotely viewed" alien on the Moon (go to Scribd for the latter).

Very curious stuff indeed.

Keith Millea
02-22-2010, 10:53 PM
It is also known that Aleister Crowley and Gurdjieff sought contact with Hitler. Hitler's unusual powers of suggestion become more understandable if one keeps in mind that he had access to the "secret" psychological techniques of Gurdjieff which, in turn, were based on the teachings of the Sufis and the Tibetan lamas and familiarized him with the Zen teaching of the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon.”

listening to Farrell in his Project Camelot interview, note what he says about "tortion" using the soda can analogy -- or, in other words, the energy of opposing spirals. One might even think of Chinese Taoist alchemy utilizing these same forces and which they named Yin & Yang - and which is the foundation of a Tai Chi masters Pen (centrifugal) and Lu (centripetal) expression of Chi energy.

David,I found the quotes above to be interesting.In reading them and seeing the photos of Stonehenge and The Bell,I am reminded of the Sufi Whirling Dervish as a possible representation of this "energy of opposing spirals".The Sufi dancer whirls on his own axis,and also dances as part of the larger group circle.The fact that everything is moving in a counter-clock wise motion(just like chakra energy)might disprove this as being "opposing" though.Don't know if that makes any sense to the thread at hand or not,just thinking outloud.At any rate,the Sufi trance dances are just plain beautiful to me.


Ed Jewett
02-23-2010, 07:47 AM
Keith, the same was said by Genevieve Obert, the author of Prince Borghezi's Trail, Council Oak Books, San Francisco 1999 (a delightful account of two women driving in the Peking to Paris automobile rally).

-- --

FreedomFinder, one of the members at E PLuribus Unum, had this to say when I linked this thread in over there:

"After having a 5 day retreat in Big Bear California my ex and I retuned to our home in Quartz Hill in the High Desert region.We were driving on highway 18 and there it was as plain as day a visitor craft so I grabbed the Poloroid instead of the Minolta so that no one could claim that I had touched it up. I captured 6 photos that day as did others as they saw us pull off from the road.Joshua Tree is known to have many visitors there is a place called "Big Rock" that locals call the "Inter Gallatic Spaceport",it is an awesome feeling when you see one a "Communion"of sorts as Whitley Streiber puts it."

Then, later:

"This is a site that gives you some background of the area and the Rock.

http://www.integratron.com/2History/History.html "


"This website may be of interest to you also the person who puts this together has been on Coast2Coast Radio often."


Ed Jewett
02-23-2010, 08:48 AM
In re: contact protocols, several links from within the first several pages of a Google search for same shows:




First Assessments:

A1) Immediate Impact of Encounter: Assess two-way threat potential. Does the alien life form/entity (whether singular or collective in number or structure) and/or its accompanying technology, appear to pose an imminent threat or possibly cause harm to human life? Conversely, does human life and/or its accompanying technology appear to pose a threat or cause harm to the alien life form/entity? (Hereafter, the initials 'AE' will designate the alien entity, 'HE' will designate the human entity).

A1a) Course of Action:

If it is perceived or verified that harmful impact, whether mutual or unilateral, is imminent or likely, action must be taken to separate the HE from the AE. Practicality must dictate efficiency: if it is more practical to retreat from the AE, then it should be done. In general, withdrawing from the AE is the best option. (It is always advised to treat any AE as a potential source of unknown micro-organisms and/or pathogens. Conversely, it is advisable to assume that any HE is a potential source of said contaminants.). [1]

If it is more practical to separate the AE from the HE, then this must be done. If the AE is/appears to be cellular/multi-cellular, constructing an artificial environment for it may be required. (To this end, anti-contamination/prophylactic {radiation, toxin, contagion, etc} procedures must be utilized.) However, any action intended to separate the AE from the HE could cause harm to the AE or possibly be interpreted as hostile or threatening. Perturbation of an unknown AE should only occur as a last strategy. [2]

If conditions do not permit a retreat, or, alternately, if separation and/or isolation of the AE is not possible, and a potential impact/threat arises, a defensive posture or formation may be necessary. In such an event, self-preservation tends to dictate action. However, it is imperative to long-term survival advantage to exercise extreme discipline in choosing to take any defensive course. Action taken to cease a life-threatening attack should always follow the martial art dictum: Hurt rather than maim. Maim rather than kill. [3]

If injury or death of an HE occurs as a result of contact, and upon withdrawal no more injuries/deaths occur, then the incident was most likely accidental and/or a self-defense response. In which case, retaliatory actions are excluded from consideration. [4]

It is presumed that aggressive and/or martial engagement of any AE, or collective of AE's, is fundamentally excluded from consideration, except where the absolute survival of all involved HE's is imminently actionable [see A1 notes]. If, however, a long-term threat is perceived/assessed, then the HE should suspend contact indefinitely, but may be advised to monitor (remotely) the AE. [5]

Assessments of a long-term threat may prove difficult/problematic in that a long-term threat may be operant but not apparent. This will remain true in all human/alien encounters. In general, we may presume that if a cooperative relationship or mutualism emerges after initial contact, this will tend to promote the survival/evolutionary needs of both the HE and AE, and should be preserved if possible, until such future assessments can be made again. [1]

If first contact occurs on the 'home' or native world of the HE [earth or established colony], and the contact has been assessed to be threatening to the HE, then clearly survival must be the primary determinant of action, but always tempered with the previously stated protocols. [2]

All perception is limited, imperfect, and subject to error and illusion. Thus, assessments made on the basis of this perception are similarly qualified, and must be tempered with re-consideration and oversight. Truthful apprehension of the phenomena of nature begins with the thought: it appears to me. For, it is often true that things are not as they first seem. [3]

A1b) The impact of separation must now be assessed.

Is there any change in the status of the AE? (Does the AE possess motility? What is its morphology? {static, dynamic, periodic changes, etc.} Is there any organic/technologic functioning operant? Does the potential for further contact/research/observation still exist?) [1]

If there appears to be no immediate impact upon first encounter, and the impact of separation is low or nil, then proceed to the next assessment. [2]

It is possible that, in the process of exploration, a site may be discovered that appears to have been occupied by one or more AE's. This is a problematic situation. The drive to explore/study must be weighed against the imperative of minimal impact/interference, as well as the potential for danger to the HE. [1]

In such an event, one should always look for signs of recent occupancy/activity. (waste products, artifacts, etc.) Forensic evidence may be collected with great caution (see: A1a [2], A3b). If the physical dimensions of the site are extensive, exploratory efforts may be divided at significant risk. Reliable remote communications capability is mandatory in any such exploratory efforts. [2]

If the site is determined to be a nest or lair of some sort, its location must be noted, and it then becomes imperative at that time to withdraw from the site, until such time that conditions/signs of low-risk are ideal. If the practical possibility and minimal impact exists, remote viewing/monitoring (audio/visual/thermal/motion) should be considered. [3]

A2) The Environment: Assess the nature of the environment in which the contact, or the potential for contact, will occur. Is the initial encounter in space, on surface terrain, liquid, gas, or other/unknown medium? [1]

Is the environment generic (generally conducive to life-support) to human life or alien life, or both? If not, what are its apparent adaptations to this environment? What are yours? What are the geological, biological, chemical, and climatological conditions under which the alien life form currently exists? Is there any change in environmental conditions? Does any such change pose a threat/obstacle to contact? [2]
Does the presence of either the HE or the AE, and/or either's accompanying technology, diminish/augment, interfere/obstruct, or in some way impact upon this environment? (If impact is deemed harmful, revert to A1) Assess the present environmental conditions (and if possible, the optimal conditions) and their influence/impact on human-alien contact. How do present environmental conditions appear to be impacting on the present states {positive + negative} of the alien and human forms (Are life-support demands being imposed by environmental conditions?). [3]

Always consider/assess the impact of waste discharge/disposal upon the environment. EM Field interference (or other force/radiation interference) and its probable impact/effect will need to be determined. (This will require the appropriate technological instruments whose impact will need to be assessed.) What is the long-term environmental impact of the HE/AE presence? Often, these will be subjective, qualified determinations, but one's which must be considered. Whenever it is possible, and to the best of one's capabilities, always minimize one's impact. [4]

A3) The Compatibility of Means of Contact or Communication: In assessing the compatibility of means of contact/communication, it must be understood that one is really assessing one's own consciousness. As such, numerous assumptions come into play. But for the purposes of initial contact/communication, certain fundamental distinctions must be made: does it appear as though the AE possesses means of communication (sensory organs/appendages/interfaces, cerebroid mass, {bio}technological means, other, etc.)? [1]

In general, we may infer that the assessed sophistication of means of communication is a relative gauge of the range of adaptive intelligence of the AE. [2]

Given the immensity of interstellar distances, it is highly probable that first contact will occur via computer, or computer-assisted technology (probe, etc.). Communication therefore will be limited by the structural congruence of the computational systems involved. The AE may be utilizing a technological device that serves the same purpose/function as a computer, yet it may have had an entirely different developmental history. Also, the time lag between sender and receiver, as well as the rate of data exchange/processing, must be assessed to determine the most significant and appropriate message/response/form of communication (language or interface). [1]

It may be presumed that any AE that is of sufficient intelligence and technological capability to anticipate alien contact, would also provide or enable one or more means of bridging the two technological interfaces, e.g., providing a primer, or heuristic for language analysis. [2]
It should be noted that any message sent to any AE will be ambiguous, to some degree. Development of an unambiguous message is highly problematic, with the very notion based upon multiple assumptions. However, it may be argued that any highly advanced AE would be able to understand that a signal/message is an attempt to communicate, and would therefore take steps to understand the message. But this is human logic, not alien logic. [3]

A3a) A distinction must be made concerning rudimentary communicative capabilities. This requires some practical standard against which to gauge. Human communication capabilities must therefore be used as a gauge: does the AE appear to have communication capability less than, equal to/congruent with (visual/audial/chemical sensory modes, etc.), or superior/wholly different to the HE capability that is present? Does the AE appear to be communicating? (Sounds, movements, periodic/sporadic changes). Does the AE utilize/exhibit a spoken/written (audial/visual) language? Can you identify any language key or primer for decoding/translating this language? Conversely, can your language be encoded/translated into the AE's language system?

A3a) NOTE:
There is the possibility that the AE may possess one or more paranormal/telepathic/ "psi" abilities, especially if the AE has been assessed as possessing means of communication that is superior to the HE. The operational potential or presence of any such abilities must be assessed (If necessary, revert to the Immediate Impact protocol, A1).

A3b) When assessing the possibility of communication, especially in the case of a capability assessed as inferior to the present HE capability, or apparently incongruent with the assessing consciousness, tests must be devised, data collected, records kept. Tests, if any, must be performed with extreme caution (Analysis of non visual spectra, EMF intensity/flux, molecular/chemical analysis {non invasive, if alive, prophylactic, if dead*} see Immediate Impact, "separation...", etc. A1).

*A3b) NOTE:
The determination of what may be described as a "life state" or "death state" natural to any AE may prove difficult. The AE may possess an estivation or hibernatorial stage, or a defensive catatonic response, or a completely different temporal mode of being, making such absolute determinations difficult {review A1 [1-4]}.

An unintentional/accidental communicative event or exchange may occur spontaneously or immediately upon first encounter. In this event, the second assessment (A2), unavoidably, will be by-passed until it is practical or imperative to make such assessments.

A3.1) Consequent Mode of Communication Selection: If means and capacity (i.e., if the AE is not injured/impaired, see A1) for communication are assessed to be congruent* between the HE and AE, the task then becomes identifying the optimum mode of communication. [1]

In the absence of signs or instructive signals from the AE to communicate within a specific mode, and given that it is the HE which desires to communicate (see A5 Motivation And Relationship Forming), it is incumbent upon the HE to adapt its exploratory efforts to the assessed means of contact/communication of the AE. (If the AE appears to have light spectra sensory capability, then forms of visible light-based communication may be explored) This may not be obvious through simple observation in that sensory apparata may be covered, hidden, or unrecognizable. The AE may have comparable visual-sensory apparata, yet it may be adapted to different conditions and may have evolved under different selective pressures (see A2). [2]

A3.1a) If the AE has been assessed as being superior in adaptive intelligence and means of communication, and also having been assessed as benign, then communication might first be initiated by the AE. However, such an AE may be acting upon a similar ethical principle of non-interference or minimal impact and may wait for communication from the HE, or its technological aid (computer messaging system, probe/satellite, robot/AI-form {see A3a,A3b,A3c, etc.). In such a case, the AE may provide a primer for one or more congruent modes of communication (see A3). If not, and if the AE seems to be making no clear instructive signs, then trial and error is the only way of proceeding. [1]

Always bear in mind that any assessed superior life-form may still be harmed and/or impacted by any 'less' intelligent entity, through an accident/mistake in the course of the interaction. On a potentially less severe level, sometimes this will be an error in the use/misuse of language that initiates a negative and/or unhelpful response. This is natural in any case where translation/interpretation of a foreign language is operant. Such an event is also an opportunity to assess the social intelligence of the AE [e.g., its 'sense of humor']. [2]

The term 'congruency' refers to a range of compatibility in communicative potential. The AE may be roughly equivalent to the cognitive capacity of a human child of the age of four, but perhaps lacking auditory (low EM wavelength) perceptual capacity. Alternately, the AE may possess slightly higher cognitive capacities and may possess an additional sensory organ and/or extended range of sensing. One must always be aware that in assessing any new species/life form [assessed as being 'congruent'], said AE will likely be engaged in similar assessments of you, and by extension, your species.

A3.2) Establishing Communication: If a direct form of communication has been established, whether rudimentory or advanced, whether auditory, visual {this includes more sophisticated forms such as symbolic representation or logic}, or tactile {or other sensory modality, see A1a [1]}, and the communicative environment is assessed to be non-threatening/hostile, then the acquiring of basic categories of information about the AE {and presumably the HE} should typically follow the following agenda: a) identity, b)purpose, c)needs, d) plans. [1]

a) 'Identity' means: to establish a basic form of indication {or distinction} enabling reference to both the HE and AE {verbal/visual names, symbols, or signs}. Once such basic indicators have been established, a more complete identification of the AE is necessary. What is the status/role/position of the AE in regards to its own kind? Is the AE a leader or representative of its kind? Alternately, is the AE a 'rogue', 'outcast' [see: A1a [2], or refugee of some kind? Despite the conventional human command posed in science fiction of "take me to your leader", it is advisable to gather as much information about the AE before seeking/requesting contact with its 'leadership'. If, however, the AE has communicated clearly that it is a scout/ambassador or representative of its species/kind, then this issue of leadership should be addressed. It is presumed that the HE is an 'ambassador' for earth. [2]

b) 'Purpose' means determining the specific and general reasons that the AE has come to be where it is. This can be problematic in that such determinations will often involve the AE's cultural reality {war}, beliefs {religion}, and/or customs. Alternately, the AE may have what is akin to a human scientific agenda/purpose. Such a possibility may provide a valuable opportunity for cooperation/collaboration. [3]

c) 'Needs' means the survival requirements of the AE. Needs assessments will typically follow from purpose assessments. An AE may have need to be where it is due to the presence of one or more resourses upon which it depends. This can also be an important opportunity to establish a cooperative/beneficial 'relationship' and/or trust {see A5}. It is important to be thorough in assessing the needs of the AE to avoid potential sources of conflict {see A4}. [4]

d) 'Plans' means the method{s} or strategies for securing its needs {see A4}. Needs assessments will require more advancement in communication, as well as mutual trust. An AE may be reluctant to communicate its plans, or may be so without communication with others of its kind, or those which it represents. Alternately, the AE may have no such plans in that in may be self-sustaining {via technological or organo-sructural means}, or simply engaged in its version of a 'pleasure trip' or 'vacation'. [5]

Subsequent Assessments

A4) Assessment of Survival Strategies and Priorities: In the event that contact and compatibility of means of communication has been assessed, and whether or not the AE possesses a congruent consciousness and communication has been established {see A3.2,}, more detailed assessments of the AE in question must be made. This is particularly so with AEs that are assessed to be incongruent with the HE's consciousness or ontological structure. It is presumed here that all life-forms, whether possessing an analogous physiologic nature (an analogous genetic "code" or replication memory structure) to the HE, or not, have evolved under selective pressure(s) of some kind (Knowledge of the indigenous conditions of the AE's native world will aid in identifying these pressures). Some information in this regard may be collected via the First Assessments Protocol {A1}. However, no such assessments, no matter how thorough/detailed, can accurately ascertain the full and true nature of the AE. [1]

Given the above presumption, what are the survival strategies of the AE? Basic (exo)-biological needs must be determined. It is likewise presumed that all life forms require the intake/extraction/utilization of energy of some kind in order to function, and that all life forms have developed strategies to obtain/secure said energy needs. Given this, what are the energy sources/resources required by the AE? (bio-chemical, thermal, electro-magnetic, nuclear, etc.) What are the AE's strategies for securing its energy needs/resources? [2]

We further presume that all life forms (unitary organisms) possess some means of autopoiesis (self-replication/regulation), although such means may not be obvious or immediately discoverable. What are the reproductive/replication needs of the AE? What strategies does the AE utilize to insure reproduction (e.g., long-term, hetero-morphic cycles)? How do these strategies impact upon the HE? [3]

Can the short and/or long-term survival strategies of the AE be determined? Can advantages/disadvantages to the HE be assessed? If such assessments can not be made at the present time, and communication with the AE is not/no longer operant or possible, then a committment to long-term study/analysis may be required. Remote viewing/sensing is often the best method of achieving this end (see A1b NOTE, paragraph [3]). [4]

Are the AE/HE strategies for autopoiesis or energy resource appropriation/utilization in conflict or competition with each other? Can this conflict/competition be successfully resolved? (see A2The Environment and A6Legal Considerations) If not, see A1a Course of Action, paragraph [5]). [5]

The above stated presumptions are based upon the high probability of universal evolution, that is, that the mechanisms and processess defined by modern evolutionary biology (such as 'life-data storage unit' [gene] variable/mutative potential, autopoiesis, adaptation [physical/cultural/psychological], and natural/artificial selection) are operant in some analogous manner, whether in aggregate or in part, on all life-sustaining/generating worlds. However, there is always the possibility of encountering/discovering an AE that has originated through entirely different ontological mechanisms/processes (inclusive of second-order or emergent entities akin to human robotic or artificial life-forms) which will warrant critical new study, and possibly the reframing of some or all of the stated assessments in this protocol.

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#2) Starship Fleet Ship Contact Protocols

http://web.missouri.edu/~heivilinj/ST-RPG/regs/SF-Protocols.pdf (http://web.missouri.edu/%7Eheivilinj/ST-RPG/regs/SF-Protocols.pdf)


The following is a very brief and cursory description of the protocols used by CSETI teams in real-time research and field work. Detailed information and instruction is contained in the Working Group Training Kit.


Lights, Sound, Thought

1. Lights - We use high-powered, portable halogen lights in our field work. The ones available to us in the USA are either half million or one million candle-power portable halogen lights. They can be recharged either by plugging into the cigarette lighter of a vehicle or by plugging into US household current. These lights are difficult to obtain in other countries.

Sometimes lights can be found that are high powered, but they must be plugged into the cigarette lighter in order to work - thus limiting your range to however long the cord may be. We suggest that you try boating suppliers and hunting suppliers for possible sources of high-powered portable lights in your country. We use these lights to signal to possible UFOs/spacecraft. Anything that returns a recognizable signal is not a star, not a satellite, not an airplane, and not a weather balloon. This is rudimentary CE-5 communication. It is human-initiated and/or
human-interactive encounters.

2. Sound - We use two types of sounds in our field work: 1) anomalous tones recorded inside a crop circle in England. It is a continuous tape with the speed slowed down incrementally, that repeats over and over. 2) beeping tones left in the landing trace from a reported UFO in New Hampshire, USA. We sometimes broadcast these tones, played on a portable tape player, over a walkie-talkie or radio transceiver. We use these tones as a signature or calling card. We hope that whoever made these tones in the first place might recognize them and realize that we are using them as a way to make contact. (These tapes are included in the Working Group Training Kit.

3. Thought - We employ a CSETI technique called Coherent Thought Sequencing. After reaching a state of unbounded consciousness and expanded awareness through any type of meditative technique, silence, or prayer, the team goes through a guided experience where each member sequentially sends his/her awareness out into the cosmos as a beacon which other intelligent living beings might recognize. We then guide any
biological lifeforms and their craft through the cosmos, into the solar system, to Earth, and directly to where the team is located in the field. (These techniques are explained and taught in the Working Group Training Kit.)


CSETI - Through CompuServe: Shari Adamiak - 102542,3573
CSETI - PO Box 15401 Asheville NC 28813 USA - OR -
CSETI - PO Box 587, Englewood, CO 80151 USA



“Ambassadors to the Universe Program: Protocols for Contact &
The Death of the 4th Estate”

Exclusive Interview with Dr Steven Greer – Crestone, Colorado - July 4, 2005
By Paola Harris

Paola: Steven, what is the focus of your career at the present time?

Dr Greer: My main focus is still the CSETI encounters that we are doing now like this one at Crestone, Colorado. But there are different levels of this. We have people who train people like Dr. Loder and his people. There are others that get a group together and take them out in smaller groups, and have done 20 or 30 of these expeditions. They know what they are doing. The big trainings like this of 20 or 30 people I do. The main ones are Mt Shasta, Crestone and Joshua Tree Wilderness area in California. The core basis of our focus is the fact that humans are going to have to learn to contact these nonhuman beings in a peaceful way and right now there is no initiative in the world that are doing this but ours. There are a few in Latin America that sort of have the same concept. Unfortunately the political structures have not dealt with the issue and the covert programs are military and hardly diplomatic. I mean they are actually increasingly hostile. so what we are doing is a citizen’s diplomacy effort and we have laid down protocols that are interrelated with very spiritually based and we believe that we are spiritually conscious beings and there is that one mind of the cosmos that shines in every being. This is the fundamental basis for helping to make contact and. because extraterrestrial technologies interface with thought and interface with what some people call the etheric or astral level of things, we have found that we can put together protocols that involve electromagnetic things like lasers and BP signals using this concept of sort of the center of the universe of mind. and in that center begin to see in sort of a remote sensing where the ETs are and connect with them mentally. We have had amazing contact, sightings and even things have come right to the field and what have you all over the world. So the concept is an very adapt one because it integrates the mind, the physical.

Paola: This is a very spiritual place here in Crestone. It has an incredible energy. there are many religions represented in this valley. I saw a Zen center and an ashram, and a center of Carmelite nuns.

Dr. Greer. There is a beautiful white stupa with the gold on top authorized by the Dalai Llama

Paola: Yes I saw that.

Dr. Greer: Yes. Ambassador Jim George from Canada was involved and was asked to build the stupa here and he did it. and he is an advisor to our group and has spoken to Canadian officials the energy problem and alternative energies. I just spoke in Montreal and there were over a
thousand people there. I also spoke at the University of Toronto.

Paola: So Is the focus of your ET communication training a type of Universal Cosmic Consciousness?

Dr. Greer: Yes. You see the fundamental basis of being an ambassador to non-humans life forms, as I see it, is the understanding what it is, what’s the Nexus where we all have some point in common. Well it is not going to be that we are human with those who are non-human. So it is that we are conscious. And so, I remember Monsignor Balducci saying “we are all children of God” but there is this light of Conscious Mind , this one spirit within us all. And there is One Spirit shinning through all of us so by relating to that which ,I feel is very important. I train people to do is take people to higher states of consciousness. I am taking people who are ready for that to a cosmic consciousness development retreat in Palm Springs in November. We will use meditation techniques and the contact techniques to be able to center and experience Cosmic mind and then
remotely view, using Cosmic Mind. We don’t use the military system. It is very primitive. If we understand that the mind is omni-present and the Mind, and the Mind where you and I are awake right now, is a singularity; we can settle into that “non-local” or expanded reality, you can see
everywhere. People come on these retreats who have spent big bucks trying remote viewing and get these breakthroughs in three or four days because I am teaching them to stop and be still, and center; and then use some specific techniques that I have learned to be able to remotely sense places and distant different objects. This training is very riguous. And I think that people have to understand that the fundamental reason why that is important is that if you don’t connect or relate to that aspect of Universal Mind, then how are you going to relate to non-human people? It
doesn’t make any sense.Think about it .They are not going to have the same emotional quality; they are not going to have the same mental aptitude; they are not going to have the same font of knowledge ; they are not going to be biologically the same. So where are you connected? It is in this “ conscious mind” which is the spirit! So in this kind of world, you not only have a diplomatic foundation for communication, but you
also have a functional paradigm because their technology, it has been recorded at least in the 40’s and 50’s if not longer, they have devices that are electronic that interface with thought. They are not communicating with stellar systems in using microwave systems. They are using a subelectromagnetic signal that interfaces with what the mystics used to call astral or thought energy and it is scientific reproducible. We have covert programs in the United States that develop these systems as well.

Paola: Edgar Mitchell used “thought transfer” from the moon and it worked!

Dr. Greer. Right it does work. He and I talked about this. Every human being is a quantum hologram of the whole universe. In other words, I love this Sufi saying: “think yourself a puny form when within yourself the Universe is folded.” It is a rhetorical question. You are not a small thing. Within each person the entirety of the cosmic universe is unfolded literally. And opening to that you can not only communicate with these extraterrestrial life forms but you can also begin to relate to a universal
aspect of yourself. So you don’t have to react to xenophobically when
you encounter the diversity of extraterrestrial life.

Paola: Right. We already have trouble with diversity here on Earth.

Dr. Greer: My God, we are blowing people apart. We are spending a trillion dollars a year in military spending. So if we are going to be talking about a serious effort to become ambassadors to these other civilizations that are obviously involved with earth and obviously concerned with what we are doing, then those ambassadors in my mind, have to be knowledgeable about the universal component of conscious. So I find that as the fundamental foundation of being an interplanetary ambassador so that is how I train people. That is the basis of what we are doing. A lot of people say that is very far out but it is actually simple, Because if you don’t have something that you are anchored to that is deeper than the human, animal, intellectual emotional state, then you are not going to relate, First of all you can barely relate to another human from another culture. Look how different an Italian is to a Japanese? You are talking about different star systems and people, and so to be able to transcend that level of diversity, and the diversity is fine if you are able to keep that
perspective. But what happens is you get overwhelmed by the diversity or that becomes a cause of conflict which is what human beings normally do. You know someone looks different, thinks differently. If they are gay, they are straight; they are black, they are white; they are Arab, they are
Iraqi; they are Suni, they are Shite; they are Protestant, they are Catholic; whatever it is we find that for a reason to blow each other apart. Well, we cannot export that kind of thinking to the next stage of human development which is the cosmic moment. This is a cosmic moment. And the death throws of what is happening on Earth today is that the diversity is becoming a cause for conflict. It is really a spiritual problem as I see it. Now, I am not a religious person at all, but I am a spiritual person.

Paola: But you are optimistic? Right? You could get real pessimistic if you look at the reality of this. You are developing an alternative.

Dr. Greer: Very optimistic. The whole thing is I think that we have to create a world that is commiserate with the challenges of our time and we have failed to do that . In other words, we are 100 or 150 years into this chapter of human history and yet we have refused to make the
fundamental changes spiritually, socially, politically, geopolitically and technologically that would support a civilization commensurate with this time. For instance, we know that there have been technologies that could have elimminated world poverty and pollution that could have been here for
75 years. They went deep black in the 50’s. The reality is that the human situation has been in a sense, retarded from an evolutionary development point of view for at least 50 to 100 years and this is why we see so much imbalance today. I’m optimistic that will be brought back. But it is going to
take courage, good leadership, some sacrifice which we had to face in our group. It is going to take some thinking in how we are going to create a civilization that is commensurate with the challenges of the time. There are many power dynamics working in this dysfunctional world that need to be

Paola: You articulate that really well Steven. You are one of the only people who has it together. I mean you synthesize this problem well. I mean people have little pieces of it. They are talking about Zero energy here. They do not look at the spiritual, they don’t even talk about ET communication. Forget that! You synthesized the whole entire planetary situation and offered a possible solution in the CSETI Ambassador Program of Consciousness. You said you were working on three
things. What are they?

Dr Greer: CSETI, the Ambassadors to the Universe program, the other is Disclosure Project. We are still doing the Disclosure Project because we have a website with ten million people on it. People don’t realize that the Disclosure Project video has been seen by more people than who see
CNN every night. I am still meeting with members of Congress. Within the last year, I’m trying to say “look this information exists and it is not only related to UFOs and extraterrestrials and but also to alternative energies and propulsion systems that would solve most of our problems. And so
Disclosure still has to go on and we have a Disclosure Representatives Program..We also have dozens of people all over the world who host Disclosure project screenings….and meetings. So that is still going on.
We would love to do Disclosure II. Many have yet to understand that after we did the Disclosure Project event in 2001, we doubled the number of military assets in terms of the number of witnesses because they came out
of the closet. As a matter of fact, a retired Air Force general who has knowledge of these covert programs is one of them. The problem is that we do not have the funding to do it. We have got to find a source of institutional support and funding to be able to do the next level of it, or it’s impossible to carry forward. There is no funding for anything serious and
this is the whole tragedy of the whole UFO movement. It has become a carnival and caricature of itself, yet we are dealing with incredibly important things and my understanding is that the intelligence community which really does run the UFO subculture, wants to keep it that way. Now
what I’d like to do in the next year or two is do another level of disclosure where we would bring in some of the new top secret witnesses we have, and government officials including a former Clinton administration official. Also in technology where we can bring in scientists who can testify to the
existence of new energy and propulsion systems, and how they have been systematically acquired and suppressed by large transnational corporate interests. Most people post 9-11 really don’t care if there are UFO and ETs out there. The majority of Americans believe UFOs are real anyway. They just don’t know what to make of it You’ve got to connect it to something meaningful. The fact is that it is meaningful because there are enormous implications to the secrecy, and the secrecy is not because of the extraterrestrial component. The secrecy is because of the technology that would make obsolete all the oil and gas and coal power in the world Paola: I am asking if it is possible that disclosure can come from the United States? Maybe Canada. Did you even dream of doing Disclosure II in Canada? Dr Greer: Now I am going to say something here people hate to hear. You can not do this without the dominant Power, the only super power in the world. We have projects, in Norway and Canada. The dominant power is the American Transnational Corporate Machine. What I tell people is that geography is irrelevant!

Paola: But the Media could open it up there!

Dr Greer: I think that what most people don’t realize is the issue that we are dealing with has no geographical boundaries and hasn’t had for decades.

Paola: We still need the media support, don’t we?

Dr Greer: Of course. It would have the seed funding we asked for. We could have had another level of the Disclosure Project in Washington, D.C., then move the whole thing to Canada, and to Rome and Switzerland and these places. There was the Chinese news media that took it seriously.
You cannot ignore 110 military top secret witnesses who are cosmonauts, brigadier generals and so on. You can not ignore these people! The other problem is that the major media is corrupt and is the most corrupt institution in the world.

Paola: How does this affect disclosure?

Dr Greer: If you were to ask me what is the largest problem with getting disclosure out and getting these technologies out to the world, it is not the White House, it is not the Congress, it is not the UN, it isn’t the parliament; it is the Media which in democracies was supposed to be the “fourth estate” which means, one of the “watch dogs” of checks and balances to the other three branches of government: the judiciary, the executive and the legislative. That is where the fourth estate concept
came from. I have a man who was on the board of AOL Time Warner and CBS who told me in 1992, he told me basically” the Fourth Estate is Dead!” We have no Fourth Estate. I had a Washington Post reporter frankly tell me that nothing important will ever be published in the major media. Look at our website where I talk about the Peter Jennings special and you will see a link to a CIA document that was sent to me recently this year that was dated 1991 during the first Bush presidency. It clearly describes on page 6, if I remember correctly, that there are assets that the intelligence community has at every major news media in the world; to kill, change or alter stories that they want to have done. The problem is the corruption of the news media, and the lack of a truly free press at large. Now the minor media is irrelevant. The major media is corporate and they are shills for the shadowy transnational para-govermental entity. Again the problem with that is that we are living in a pseudo democracy where the people cannot get the information. I have said seriously recently that Gorge Soreas and others need to come forth and put a billion or two into a “new” media empire. I said this should be called the Disclosure Network News. DNN instead of CNN and basically say: “Ok. We need to be able to have the assets to pour this information into the public to educate them to what is
really going on Corporate America, or Corporate Italy or Corporate Japan”. Why is this secrecy going on? Who is sitting on the technologies and what is the truth? It is not going to happen. [Image: Dr Greer being introduced at 2004 X-Conference]. The major media right now is horizontally and vertically integrated with corporate interests that do not want this information out. One of the fundamental problems is the notion that we are living in a democracy without a free press, but a press that is corrupted by these secretive interests. It is very difficult for the masses to know what is really happening for that reason. It makes a mockery out of our democracy. It is interesting that I’m talking about this on July 4th. I think that what everyone has to understand is that we have to get some seriously committed people financially, professionally and with talent in the media to say: “look we really have to do some serious exposes.” For instance, this AOL executive told me that some of the secret UFO Documents he gave to Mike Wallace of “60 Minutes” TV show. Mike Wallace who is one of the most famous investigative reporters in the world, wanted to do a special on them, but all at once they pulled the plug on it.

During the Disclosure Project event, the executive producer of ABC news, who was the final call guy on “Prime Time Live” and 20/20, told me he wanted to do an hour special involving these top secret witnesses. A few weeks later I called him about it and I asked: “What are you doing about the special; and he said: “ well they won’t let me do it”! I asked “who are they? He said: “Dr. Greer you know who they are!” I have seen this up close and personal with the world’s media, not just with the U.S media. I have seen it with the BBC and I have seen it in England and other countries. So the inability, for even people who are in high places within the news media to be not able to be allowed by their corporate masters to tell the truth, is appalling. So since we do not have a truly free media, the Fourth Estate has been essentially assassinated.. You have a mockery of democracy because that is a “checks and balances” system that is no longer there.

About the Interviewer

Paola Harris, MEd. is an Italo-American photojournalist and investigative
reporter in the field of extraterrestrial related phenomena research. She has studied extraterrestrial related phenomena since 1979 and is on personal terms with many of the leading researchers in the field. She has been a speaker on many radio shows and conferences in Italy, San Marino, Belgium and Germany, and has appeared many times on Italian TV. She has written for Nexus, UFO Magazine, Notizario UFO and Dossier Alieni, among others publications. Her book is entitled, Connecting the Dots: making sense of the UFO Phenomena (Granite Press). Her principal website is: www.paolaharris.it (http://www.paolaharris.it)

Exopolitics Journal 1:2 (January 2006). ISSN 1938-1719 www.exopoliticsjournal.com (http://www.exopoliticsjournal.com)


David Guyatt
02-23-2010, 01:11 PM
David,I found the quotes above to be interesting.In reading them and seeing the photos of Stonehenge and The Bell,I am reminded of the Sufi Whirling Dervish as a possible representation of this "energy of opposing spirals".The Sufi dancer whirls on his own axis,and also dances as part of the larger group circle.The fact that everything is moving in a counter-clock wise motion(just like chakra energy)might disprove this as being "opposing" though.Don't know if that makes any sense to the thread at hand or not,just thinking outloud.At any rate,the Sufi trance dances are just plain beautiful to me.


I agree Keith, the image of a swirling dervish is a good one.

Back in the days I practiced Chinese martial arts, one of the three "inner" styles was Pakua, which, like Tai Chi is practiced with utter attention to posture, internal alignment, breath, energy flow etc etc. Pakua differs in that it is performed by walking an imaginary circle and within that one performs spinning and circular movements, which can be seen from the following youtube clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7hiWa22S3o). Note the circle embedded in the floor which is the guideline for walking the circle of the form (see HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndY4jMB9w6U&feature=fvw)). I was taught Pakua by my TaiChi master at his north London home on a Sunday morning. Take it from me that it is not wise to drink heavily the night before. :smokin:

When these techniques are performed by a properly taught master with developed chi, the results are devastating. The centrifugal expression of chi (Pen) is, without a question of doubt, anti-gravitational - which is why I have mentioned it in this thread. On the receiving end you fly upwards and backwards. The below image shows my old master, who now lives in Germany demonstrating Pen energy with one arm.


The recipient of Chi energy cannot feel what has happened - its unlike muscle or tendon power - and you're normally also busy trying not to land on your derriere - that is when you land on dry ground again. The wall in Master Chu's house was badly cracked where I and other pupils hit it at force with our backs after being tossed "up" against it. These are simply techniques for "testing" chi. When used with intention, the chi penetrates into the meridian system and internal organs of the opposing fighter, with potentially deadly consequences.

David Guyatt
02-23-2010, 01:48 PM
Many thanks for the "Contact Protocols" Ed, I'm very grateful. When I posed this question, and based on the sort of description provided in the earlier part of this thread, I pre-supposed that there were some form of meditational technique involved in the process. And, indeed, this supposition proved correct:

3. Thought - We employ a CSETI technique called Coherent Thought Sequencing. After reaching a state of unbounded consciousness and expanded awareness through any type of meditative technique, silence, or prayer, the team goes through a guided experience where each member sequentially sends his/her awareness out into the cosmos as a beacon which other intelligent living beings might recognize. We then guide any
biological lifeforms and their craft through the cosmos, into the solar system, to Earth, and directly to where the team is located in the field. (These techniques are explained and taught in the Working Group Training Kit.)

"... unbounded consciousness and expanded awareness from any type of meditative experience..."

I am very, very cautious of this description. "Unbounded consciousness" and "expanded awareness" are so different in concept that they should not appear in the same para. Expanded consciousness, I don't doubt, can be achieved with a bit of meditative experience. In the same way that car mechanics can be learned, a bit, from a book.

Unbounded consciousness, on the other hand, is nothing less than the Holy Grail.

Based on this I would assess the results claimed by Greer's people to be highly unreliable. In fact, speaking personally, I wouldn't credit it with any more potency that indulging in active fantasies after a glass or two of wine.

Earlier in this thread I pasted in a para about the bee and beehive that outline the occult technique of "creative imagination and desire". Unless one has been taught these and associated techniques, and spent a very long time developing and honing them (years not weeks or months) then the results are likely to be nothing more or less than random chance - and certainly could not be trusted, per se, to be valid.

Being in a critical frame of mind, I also wanted to add a few caveats to what I said earlier about Farrell's interview. I do not, for one second, accept the validity of Farrell's (in my mind credulous) argument that technology spun off the Bell has resulted in man landing on the Moon - or worse still, that Nazi man has now colonized other planets (the Hoagland story) using money derived from successive covert financial devices including the recent banking crisis.

In my view the Moon landing was a cold war PR exercise and little more than that. Farrell's argument that the LEM taking off from the Moon demonstrated to him that an unknown propulsion system was used ignores so much other evidence that the Apollo missions were faked up. What he believes was the curious lift off of the LEM could, I suspect be better and more rationally explained by a small lifting crane situated on a lofty gantry located in a dark movie studio.

Having said that I think the research he has done on the Bell is powerful.

I suppose this illustrates the danger we all face of propagating a favoured theory into the realms of the wholly unlikely. I suspect I am also guilty of this, too, at times.

David Guyatt
02-24-2010, 04:58 PM
I have just received Farrell's book The Philosophers Stone and look forward to reading it.

I am already intrigued because the title page contains part of the glyph of the Qabalistic Tree of Life - the lower five spheres. Within the pathways connecting these five lower Sephira of the Tree, the words "is not" and "is" have been placed, where each of the five Sephira the words "the American “Gold,” The Soviet “Mercury,” and "the Nazi Serum” are placed. The arrangement shows that none of these elements connect to each other (i.e., the American Gold "Is Not" the Soviet Mercury etc). But all three are directed to the Sephiroth Yesod with the word "Is" which contains the words "The Philosphers Stone". The words "Is Not" are repeated three times, whereas the words "Is" are repeated twice. Whether the author was cognizant, or not ( and I think not), by placing the two words "Is" together in the way he has done, he effectively has spelled out the word "Isis". Quite funny really.

On the next page is a paragraph from Manly P Hall's book The Secret Teaching of All Ages, which speaks directly to matters Qabalistic:

As one of the great alchemists fittingly observed, man's quest for gold is often his undoing, for he mistakes the alchemical processes, believing them to be purely material. He does not realise that the Philosophers Gold, the Philsophers Stone, and the Philosophers Medicine exist in each of the four worlds and that the consummation of the experiment cannot be realised until it is successfully carried on in four worlds simultaneously according to one formula.

The Sephira Yesod is generally regarded as being (what we call today) the Unconscious, but which formally used to be known as the etheric or lower astral or psychic realm (using the definitions of Gareth Knight referenced earlier).

I completely understand that discussions of this nature may appear too obscure for some, irrelevant to some, incomprehensible to others and downright wacky and pointless to still others. Be that as it may be, Farrell is telling us that in his investigations of the Nazi SS Schwarze Sonne technological experiments, that they were, in fact, dealing with experiments that penetrated deeply into other realities.

Having said all that, the Philosophers Stone is not to be found in Yesod, as his version of the glyph / diagram of the Tree of Life seems to suggest.

But it is a starting place - a gateway, the gateway to other immaterial dimensions. Perhaps that is what his glyph / diagram is telling us.

Having also said that, I still don't think Farrel is dealing with the Philsophers Stone. Not the Philosophers Stone. Which to my understanding anyway, is a state of complete, full and unfettered consciousness, and not a technological advancement - although the latter may be possible if you have achieved the former.

But who can be said to have achieved that?

Yours obscurely,


Edit = PS, my error. Participacion Mystique coloured my eyes.

Farrell was not referring to the lower five Sephiroth as I stated above. He was building on the Augustian "shield of faith" which involve the four lower Sephiroth of the personality. The fifth element is missing in this shield. Despite Farrell's quotation by Manly P Hall, I am not sure he even intended to reference the Qabalah, at least from what I have so far read.

Meanwhile, Manly Hall was unquestionably discussing the Qabalah; hence his reference to the "four worlds" (Atziluth (World of Emanation), B'riyah (World of Creation), Yetzirah (World of Formation), and Asiyah (World of Activity, Making or Physical Manifestation) in the carrying out of the formula as described.

Farrell seems to be focusing entirely on material alchemy and altogether missing the occult point I shouldn't wonder --- alchemical operators of the same narrow focus during the late middle ages earned the title of "puffer". But that has its place too, I think. I suspect I was secretly hoping for something more profound. Oh well, on with the read I suppose.

Ed Jewett
02-27-2010, 04:17 AM
Reviewing this thread and the contact protocols reminded me of Episode 13 of Sagan's Cosmos [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmQUMKys8ts ].

It also reminded me of the book by a fellow who has written on the white Doomsday plane over D.C. on 9/11, the book Dimona: The Third Temple?, and one that attracted me: Gnostic Secrets of the Naassenes: The Initiatory Teachings of the Last Supper.

In the latter, he speaks of "the reversal of flow", the Grail, Kundalini energies, shakti yoga, tantric practices, the double helix of DNA, Jung's Aion, the Ophite bowl, the pleroma, the singularity,the bindu and the chakras.

Interestingly, a recent podcast offered up at Electric Politics features an interview with Ellen Langer, a professor in the Psychology Department at Harvard University. Her books written for general and academic readers include Mindfulness, The Power of Mindful Learning, On Becoming An Artist, and Counterclockwise. [I have read the first two.] http://www.ellenlanger.com/about/

"Thinking conventionally about things distances us from ourselves. Instead, argues Dr. Ellen J. Langer, we could be mindful, alive to possibility. Being mindful — Ellen provides a boatload of empirical evidence for this — will improve our physical well-being, make us happier, and extend our longevity. Her latest book, Counterclockwise, tells the story. You should read it. I also happen to think her ideas have a profound application to politics, though we tread lightly on that question in this conversation. It was a pure delight to talk with Ellen and I learned a great deal. Total runtime an hour and one minute." http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/20...cal_monism.html (http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2010/02/empirical_monism.html)

David Guyatt
02-27-2010, 11:54 AM
Reviewing this thread and the contact protocols reminded me of Episode 13 of Sagan's Cosmos [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmQUMKys8ts ].

It also reminded me of the book by a fellow who has written on the white Doomsday plane over D.C. on 9/11, the book Dimona: The Third Temple?, and one that attracted me: Gnostic Secrets of the Naassenes: The Initiatory Teachings of the Last Supper.

In the latter, he speaks of "the reversal of flow", the Grail, Kundalini energies, shakti yoga, tantric practices, the double helix of DNA, Jung's Aion, the Ophite bowl, the pleroma, the singularity,the bindu and the chakras.

Interestingly, a recent podcast offered up at Electric Politics features an interview with Ellen Langer, a professor in the Psychology Department at Harvard University. Her books written for general and academic readers include Mindfulness, The Power of Mindful Learning, On Becoming An Artist, and Counterclockwise. [I have read the first two.] http://www.ellenlanger.com/about/

"Thinking conventionally about things distances us from ourselves. Instead, argues Dr. Ellen J. Langer, we could be mindful, alive to possibility. Being mindful — Ellen provides a boatload of empirical evidence for this — will improve our physical well-being, make us happier, and extend our longevity. Her latest book, Counterclockwise, tells the story. You should read it. I also happen to think her ideas have a profound application to politics, though we tread lightly on that question in this conversation. It was a pure delight to talk with Ellen and I learned a great deal. Total runtime an hour and one minute." http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/20...cal_monism.html (http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2010/02/empirical_monism.html)

I haven't yet looked at the Ellen Langer video Ed, but was impressed by Sagan's piece. It never ceases to amaze me how archetypes manifest themselves across the length and breadth of the planet, coursing up through the unconscious of different cultures and peoples separated by thousands of miles. The Tingit's Raven God being an example. It has so many pulses, from Odin and Wotan, through to Celtic and, of course, is a symbol par excellence for the shadow. In the below link it is amazing to read that in the Hopi and Navajo native American tribes, that the raven was viewed as having flown out of the darkness of the cosmos and brought with it the light of the sun -- the perfect description of the shadow confrontation (http://www.whats-your-sign.com/raven-symbolism.html). I had to smile that in the Tinget legends, those who looked upon the raven would be turned to stone, which captures the Greek Medusa legend to a tee. And, of course, the stone itself is central to alchemy and grail studies.

And, of course, there are some curious reverberations that directly relate to the strange physics (http://www.themindofgod.net/chapter_9.htm) discussed in this thread.

Keith Millea
02-27-2010, 07:46 PM
Your last link(under physics)seems to not be working.Is it just me?


Ed Jewett
02-27-2010, 10:29 PM
No, it's not just you, and that Ellen Langer video is actually an MP3, so you can take it with you if have one of those.

David Guyatt
02-28-2010, 11:23 AM
It was okay when I linked it, but yes it seems not to work now.

Magda Hassan
06-02-2013, 01:49 AM
Stanford University Research: Atacama Humanoid Still A Mystery
Steven M. Greer MD
22 April 2013
After six months of research by leading scientists at Stanford University, the Atacama Humanoid remains a profound mystery.
The humanoid was first discovered in 2003 in the remote Atacama desert region of Chile, but I did not learn of the existence of the specimen until 2009, when invited to examine the mummy-like remains of the humanoid in Barcelona Spain. In the summer of 2012, RamĂłn Navia-Osorio Villar, President of Instituto de Investigaciones y Estudios ExobiolĂłgicos graciously permitted our team to do further tests on the humanoid.
We traveled to Barcelona Spain in late September 2012 to obtain detailed X Rays, CAT scans and take genetic samples for testing at Stanford University.
Dr. Garry Nolan (Rachford and Carlota A. Harris Professor in the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Stanford University School of Medicine) headed up the team examining the human-like specimen. He suggested the protocol for taking the DNA samples and, in consultation with Dr. Ralph Lachman, also of Stanford University, suggested precisely which X Rays and CT scan images would be needed for proper evaluation of the skeletal anomalies.
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Dr. Lachman, who is a visiting scholar and visiting professor at Stanford University and author of “Radiology of Syndromes, Metabolic Disorders and Skeletal Dysplasias” and is one of the leading experts in the world on skeletal dysplasia and abnormalities, examined the X Rays, CAT scans and photographs of the humanoid.
We obtained excellent DNA material by surgically dissecting the distal ends of two right anterior ribs on the humanoid. These clearly contained bone marrow material, as was seen on the dissecting microscope that was brought in for the procedure. The bone marrow and other material from the skull were obtained under sterile, surgical procedures and placed directly into sterile containers provided by Dr. Nolan.
Using forensic documentation procedures, this evidence was then hand-delivered by me to Dr. Nolan in Washington DC in October, 2012.
Dr. Nolan proceeded to set up a very detailed protocol needed for examining “ancient” or old DNA. This is a highly specialized area of research and the leading scientists in the world with expertise in this area consulted with Dr. Nolan in this endeavor.
The Atacama Humanoid is a 13 centimeter, or 6 inch, body that is very desiccated but completely intact. The CAT scan clearly shows internal chest organs (lungs and what appears to be the remains of a heart structure).(See CAT scan here (http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CAT-Scan-6-Slower.mov)) There is absolutely no doubt that the specimen is an actual organism and that it is not a hoax of any kind. This fact has been confirmed by Dr. Nolan and Dr. Lachman at Stanford.
The specimen has only 10 ribs, a finding not yet found in humans, and a very unusual cranium. It is noted that the cranial vault is, proportionally, much larger than is found in normal humans. The bones are quite well developed and are not those of a fetus (see below). There are multiple skeletal anomalies seen throughout the specimen. Importantly a mature, not fetal, tooth is seen in the mandible (jaw bone) A fracture of the right humerus (upper arm) is seen as is a concave fracture of the right posterior-lateral skull, which was most likely the cause of death.
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Importantly, Dr. Lachman has concluded that the humanoid’s appearance is NOT the result of any known deformity, genetic defect, skeletal dysplasia or any other known human abnormality. However, the most startling conclusion to date is that Dr. Lachman concluded the humanoid lived to be 6- 8 years of age. (See Dr. Lachman’s full report here… (http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/signed-Lachman-report.pdf)). This was assessed by examining the epiphyseal plates in the knees and comparing these to normal humans of various ages.
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He noted that there is no known form of human dwarfism that has this presentation and set of findings. No human has been known to be able to live for 6-8 years and remain only 6 inches in length.
It should be noted also that Dr. Manchon, of the Manchon Radiology Center in Barcelona, also examined the X Rays and concluded that the specimen was most certainly not a fetus and had lived for a year or more and probably several years.
Previously, there had been false reports published elsewhere that the humanoid was a fetus.
This is clearly not the case as can be concluded from the research of Dr. Lachman and the examination by Dr. Manchon. A comparison of fetus X Rays shows a remarkable difference between human fetus skeletal development and the X Rays of the Atacama humanoid.
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Painstaking and expert DNA extraction was done by Dr. Nolan at Stanford University. A very high quality and quantity of DNA was successfully extracted and analyzed.
Only preliminary analysis of the DNA has been done to date, and Dr. Nolan notes that it may be a year or more before full manual analysis and confirmation can occur.
Dr. Nolan notes: “The DNA was of high quality, showing little to no serious degradation.”
Dr. Nolan also notes that: “Sequence analysis definitively rules out the specimen as an example of a New World primate.”
Importantly, Dr. Nolan has found that: “Preliminary results demonstrate no statistically relevant alterations of genes encoding proteins commonly associated with known genes for primordial dwarfism or other forms of dwarfism. Therefore, if there is a genetic basis for the symptoms observed in the specimen the casual mutation(s) are not apparent at this level of resolution and at this stage of the analysis.”
It should be noted that Neanderthals are 99.5% genetically identical to humans, and chimps and apes are 96-97% identical.
As of this date, the genotype does not seem to match the phenotype (meaning physically expressed form of the genetics).
The answer to this mystery will lead in further analysis of the DNA and confirmation of the findings through the peer review process.
Dr. Nolan’s report (see full preliminary comments here (http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chile-Specimen_GPN-Summary.pdf) – NOTE: DNA testing continues and is not complete) concludes by stating further research is needed:

“This preliminary report demonstrates how currently available biomedical technologies can be readily applied to the analysis of archeologically and anthropologically relevant human specimens with genetic disorders of unknown origin. This report is not a formal conclusion on the nature of the mutations or the underlying cause of the disorder in this human specimen. Currently the data represents (conservatively) a 15 fold whole genome reading and as such is insufficient for definitive conclusions. Future plans include continued study of this specimen to establish up to a 50 fold WHS read that could point to targeted sequencing of hypothetical causal mutations. Comparison of the observed sequence variations against recently developed ethnically focused genome databases is planned. Full analysis of the DNA, and attempts to link genetics to morphology, will eventually follow in an appropriately peer-reviewed article in an accredited scientific journal. The results will be independently verified before publication.”
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Clinically, given that this humanoid lived many decades to centuries ago (exact date remains unknown but it is not a recently living specimen) it is hard to understand how a 6 inch baby or child could have lived to be 6-8 years of age in such a remote and undeveloped part of the world. Even in today’s best Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU) we would hardly be able to keep such a specimen alive. As an emergency physician, I have delivered premature infants, as well as a significantly deformed one with anencephaly, and am struck by how small and fragile this humanoid is. Medically speaking, IF this is merely a deformed human, it does not seem feasible that it would have lived to be 6-8 years of age. Speaking as a clinician, I, as well as other doctors with whom I have spoken, doubt it would have lived 6 hours. It should also be noted that the specimen has a visible, well-developed tooth in the mandible, also not consistent with a human fetus of this size.
Given how long ago he lived and how primitive that area would have been- totally lacking in modern medical technologies and facilities- how would this child have lived? And with whom? Certainly there are many more questions than answers at this juncture.
The mystery is further compounded by the reports from Ramon Navia-Osorio Villar and his associates who traveled to the region and obtained information from local native peoples of sightings of UFOs and very small living creatures fitting the general description of this humanoid. There are also reports that other intact humanoids may be stored in various remote sites and locations. These reports have not been confirmed, however.
It is necessary to do much more thorough research into this case. The DNA work is really in its early stages, and we need to take a scientific expedition to the Atacama desert to see if there are more examples of this humanoid- and to see if indeed there is on-going UFO/ ET activity in that region as reported.

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If the genetics continue to show a human connection to this humanoid, what does this mean? We cannot say the Atacama Humanoid is an ET. Nor is he any known – or clinically conceivable – human that could have lived. So who is he? He remains a mystery, and perhaps- just perhaps- a doorway to discovering much about who we are.
Recently, some scientists (see here (http://phys.org/news/2013-04-law-life-began-earth.html)) working on DNA and computer analysis found that DNA has been around for over 10 billion years- but Earth has been here for less than half that time. Perhaps life is indeed universal, and contact spreads life from world to world…
I have discussed with other scientists the possibility of epigenetic augmentation of the human genome. Is the Atacama Humanoid a so-called hybrid? Are we all some type of hybrid? Could this have occurred via contact with other extraterrestrial civilizations over millions of years? A source who refuses to be identified stated to me several years ago that he had seen a National Security Agency document that concluded that there had been 64 epigenetic augmentations of the human genome in the past that have resulted in modern humans. Could this be possible?
A Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) scientist once told me that the reason the objects found on and near Mars – like the obelisks that Astronaut Buzz Aldrin wants us to go back to Mars to examine- would show an ancient connection between ETs and humans- and that this is why that information is being kept classified. When I asked why, he said “Because the foundations of every fundamentalist orthodox belief system on earth would be up-ended”.
To pursue science is to pursue the truth of matters. What is needed from this point going forward is an open mind so that, together, we may discover the truth about many things yet hidden.
Click here (http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4-22-2013-FINAL-COMPLETE.pdf) for Dr. Steven Greer’s full report on the being in PDF form.

The DNA research on the specimen is in it’s very early stages and incomplete. Much research remains. There is a paradox between initial DNA tests, which are largely computerized data bases, and the clinical findings in X Rays and CAT scans, and Dr. Lachman’s conclusion that the specimen is 6 years of age and only 6 inches in length. To date, the DNA data cannot explain these perplexing findings. While human-like, it continues to represent an undefined specimen and a least a year of further genetic analysis will be needed by DNA experts. The un-matched DNA (approximately 2 million base pairs of DNA that are un-matched) will need to be carefully explored, and to date this has not been accomplished.
-Dr. Greer
Click here (http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chile-Specimen_GPN-Summary.pdf) for Dr. Garry Nolan’s preliminary comments – NOTE: DNA TESTING CONTINUES AND IS NOT COMPLETE.
Click here (http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/signed-Lachman-report.pdf) for the radiographic evaluation report by Dr. Ralph Lachman.
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Jan Klimkowski
06-02-2013, 10:29 AM
Magda - fascinating.

I hope this isn't a hoax.

The mystery is further compounded by the reports from Ramon Navia-Osorio Villar and his associates who traveled to the region and obtained information from local native peoples of sightings of UFOs and very small living creatures fitting the general description of this humanoid. There are also reports that other intact humanoids may be stored in various remote sites and locations. These reports have not been confirmed, however.

There are similar legends amongst some of the people who live in the cloud forest and high valleys of the Andes mountains, which are of course close to the Atacama desert and similary sparsely populated.

David Guyatt
06-02-2013, 11:33 AM
I remain very sceptical 0f Greer and his agenda.

For background on a race of very small dwarves - Homo Floriensis, also called the Hobbit dwarf, a now extinct species in the genus Homo, read HERE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis#Small_bodies).

Meanwhile, Greer's mystery has, apparently, been solved below (http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2013/05/bizarre-6-inch-skeleton-shown-to.html):

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/site-img/snow-header.gif (http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/)Bizarre 6-Inch Skeleton Shown to Be Humanby Richard Stone on 3 May 2013, 6:40 PM | 119 Comments (http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2013/05/bizarre-6-inch-skeleton-shown-to.html#disqus_thread)

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Alien? Subhuman primate? Deformed child? Mummified fetus? The Internet is buzzing over the nature of "Ata," a bizarre 6-inch-long skeleton featured in a new documentary on UFOs. A Stanford University scientist who boldly entered the fray has now put to rest doubts about what species Ata belongs to. But the mystery is not over.
The story began 10 years ago, when the diminutive remains were reportedly found in a pouch in a ghost town in the Atacama Desert of Chile (http://www.openminds.tv/background-of-ufo-documentary-humanoid-alien-revealed-964/). Ata ended up in a private collection in Barcelona; producers of the film Sirius (http://www.sirius.neverendinglight.com/) latched onto the bizarre mummy as evidence of alien life.
Last fall, immunologist Garry Nolan, director of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute's Proteomics Center for Systems Immunology at Stanford in California, heard about Ata from a friend and contacted the filmmakers, offering to give them a scientific readout on the specimen. They asked him to give it a shot.
Among the apparent abnormalities, Ata sports 10 ribs instead of the usual 12 and a severely misshapen skull. "I asked our neonatal care unit how you would go about analyzing it. Had they seen this kind of syndrome before?" Nolan says. He was directed to pediatric radiologist Ralph Lachman, co-director of the International Skeletal Dysplasia Registry at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, California. "He literally wrote the book on pediatric bone disorders," Nolan says. Lachman was blown away, Nolan recalls: "He said, 'Wow, this is like nothing I've ever seen before.' "
To study the specimen, Nolan sought clues in Ata's genome. He initially presumed the specimen was tens or hundreds of thousands of years old—the Atacama Desert may be the driest spot on the planet, so Ata could have been preserved for eons. He consulted experts who had extracted DNA from bones of the Denisovans (http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/08/genome-brings-ancient-girl-to-li.html?ref=hp), an Asian relative of European Stone Age Neandertals. It turned out that their protocols weren't necessary. "The DNA was modern, abundant, and high quality," he says, indicating that the specimen is probably a few decades old.
To the chagrin of UFO hunters, Ata is decidedly of this world. After mapping more than 500 million reads to a reference human genome, equating to 17.7-fold coverage of the genome, Nolan concluded that Ata "is human, there's no doubt about it." Moreover, the specimen's B2 haplotype—a category of mitochondrial DNA—reveals that its mother was from the west coast of South America: Chile, that is.
Meanwhile, after examining x-rays, Lachman concluded that Aka's skeletal development, based on the density of the epiphyseal plates of the knees (growth plates at the end of long bones found only in children), surprisingly appears to be equivalent to that of a 6- to 8-year-old child. If that holds up, there are two possibilities, Nolan says. One, a long shot, is that Ata had a severe form of dwarfism, was actually born as a tiny human, and lived until that calendar age. To test that hypothesis, he will try to extract hemoglobin from the specimen's bone marrow and compare the relative amounts of fetal versus adult hemoglobin proteins. The second possibility is that Ata, the size of a 22-week-old fetus, suffered from a severe form of a rare rapid aging disease, progeria, and died in the womb or after premature birth.
Nolan hasn't yet turned up hits for genes known to be associated with progeria or dwarfism. He's stepping up the search for mutations through additional sequencing and casting a wider net. Another possibility is a teratogen: a birth defect-inducing toxicant along the lines of thalidomide. Nolan plans to analyze tissue using mass spectrometry to look for toxicants or metabolites. But reports of a handful of other Tom Thumb-sized skeletons from Russia and elsewhere have Nolan leaning toward a genetic explanation.
At least one expert has a more prosaic take—but agrees that the specimen is human. "This looks to me like a badly desiccated and mummified human fetus or premature stillbirth," says William Jungers, a paleoanthropologist and anatomist at Stony Brook University Medical Center in New York. He notes that "barely ossified and immature elements" of the hands and feet, and the wide open metopic suture, where the two frontal bones of the skull come together down the middle of the forehead. "Genetic anomalies are not evident, probably because there aren't any," he says. Nolan responds that the rib number and epiphyseal plate densities remain a riddle; while he is open to the fetus hypothesis, he thinks that the jury is still out.
Nolan's analysis went viral this week; besieged as he has been by the media circus, he doesn't regret having gotten involved in debunking a claim of alien life. "I'm thrilled with the outcome," he says. Once the analyses are complete, he says, he'll submit his findings for peer review. The other claim Nolan debunks is that Ata is an elaborate hoax. The x-rays clearly show these are real bones, complete with arterial shadows, he says. "You just couldn't fake it," he says, adding, with a laugh, "unless you were an alien."