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Susan Grant
03-16-2010, 10:40 AM
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-7797-0-15-15--.html

When the Supreme Court decided the case 'Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, henceforth allowing corporate soft money to to influence US elections, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) cynically opined that it would lead to the election of the "congressmen from Wal-Mart. Turns out, he may be right.

Meet Murray Hill, Inc., the first corporation to run for Congress in the US........

So which corporation would you vote for??????? What a lovely choice there will be!:ahhhhh:

Magda Hassan
03-16-2010, 11:07 AM
I wonder if it is not already happening now in any case. Have you seen these videos Susan?
http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6556#post6556
Apparently most MPs already are corporations. It was news to me too.

Susan Grant
03-16-2010, 03:34 PM
Yes, I have seen a lot of John Harris videos.
He quotes the difference between legal and lawful and also quotes the Magna Carta but David suggests there are quite a few versions of it. However 'squatting' is still done today in Britain today which is based on the MC whereby nobody can be thrown out of a property/off land without an order of the King which I presume today would mean the courts.
Despite David's reservations I feel there is something to what John Harris says or perhaps I would just like what he says to be true. Wouldn't it be a lovely kick in the teeth for the money grabbers. We would certainly be having some of this:party:

David Guyatt
03-16-2010, 06:19 PM
Yup, I checked out what Harris says and could find no factual legal basis to support his main claims. It would be great were it true. Sadly it's not.

There are several versions of Magna Carta, a few later than the one he references. There is also the problem that that Magna Carta was written specifically for the Barons of the day, because the King needed their support. And anyway, as soon as the ink was dry on the document, the King simply repudiated it and later had it replaced.

Paul Rigby
03-16-2010, 07:07 PM
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-7797-0-15-15--.html

When the Supreme Court decided the case 'Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, henceforth allowing corporate soft money to to influence US elections, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) cynically opined that it would lead to the election of the "congressmen from Wal-Mart. Turns out, he may be right.

Meet Murray Hill, Inc., the first corporation to run for Congress in the US........

So which corporation would you vote for??????? What a lovely choice there will be!:ahhhhh:

OK, the challenge then is how to work with the prevailing grain, and yet bring the entire system into complete discredit.

So, a suggestion.

We need, on both sides of the Atlantic, a campaign to win for the voter the same right - to be bought and sold - as that enjoyed by politicians & the traditional mainstream parties. What we should be demanding is the right to auction our votes, not least on ebay, to the highest bidders, precisely as the pols and the parties do. Only we'd retain the high ground by doing it openly and publicly. Such a campaign has the potential to unite a broad strand of public opinion, and would provide much amusement along the way. That's a very attractive combo - satire, laugher and principle. How about it?

Paul

Peter Lemkin
03-16-2010, 08:46 PM
How about a Halliburton / Palin ticket next election....?!?!?!?:shakehands:

Keith Millea
03-16-2010, 09:15 PM
We need, on both sides of the Atlantic, a campaign to win for the voter the same right - to be bought and sold - as that enjoyed by politicians & the traditional mainstream parties. What we should be demanding is the right to auction our votes, not least on ebay, to the highest bidders, precisely as the pols and the parties do. Only we'd retain the high ground by doing it openly and publicly. Such a campaign has the potential to unite a broad strand of public opinion, and would provide much amusement along the way. That's a very attractive combo - satire, laugher and principle. How about it?


Now that's the kind of creative thinking that is much needed at this time.Although,I must say being just a humble serf,I figure I'm only worth about a buck and a half. :toilet:

David Guyatt
03-16-2010, 09:51 PM
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-7797-0-15-15--.html

When the Supreme Court decided the case 'Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, henceforth allowing corporate soft money to to influence US elections, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) cynically opined that it would lead to the election of the "congressmen from Wal-Mart. Turns out, he may be right.

Meet Murray Hill, Inc., the first corporation to run for Congress in the US........

So which corporation would you vote for??????? What a lovely choice there will be!:ahhhhh:

OK, the challenge then is how to work with the prevailing grain, and yet bring the entire system into complete discredit.

So, a suggestion.

We need, on both sides of the Atlantic, a campaign to win for the voter the same right - to be bought and sold - as that enjoyed by politicians & the traditional mainstream parties. What we should be demanding is the right to auction our votes, not least on ebay, to the highest bidders, precisely as the pols and the parties do. Only we'd retain the high ground by doing it openly and publicly. Such a campaign has the potential to unite a broad strand of public opinion, and would provide much amusement along the way. That's a very attractive combo - satire, laugher and principle. How about it?

Paul

Truly original thinking. I like it. A lot.

But I do see a problem occurring after a period of years. Human nature being what it is, individuals will pool their votes together and vote en bloc, as this will have a higher reward ratio than as an individual. And a few grand barterings later, the realization will dawn that there is no need to hawk their votes at all, just simply elect themselves. And they will have a ready-made, fully-functioning money-making (hyphen) machine er, political party, ready to clean up in a big way by milking big mummy's big purse.

And then Tony Blair will come back and lead them.

And that would be too much and I'd have to kill myself.

And then kill you for suggesting the idea in the first place.

Is there such a thing as killing a Toffee? Toffee-cide perhaps? You see? It really wouldn't do at all. That would leave your team with only one other supporter.

And that would bring into material creation for the first time the well known Zen koan.... the sound of one supporter clapping....

http://www.messentools.com/images/emoticones/futbol/www.MessenTools.com-emoticones-soccer-futbol-090.gif

Paul Rigby
03-16-2010, 10:06 PM
[QUOTE=Paul Rigby;18432][QUOTE=Susan Grant;18401]http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-7797-0-15-15--.html

But I do see a problem occurring after a period of years. Human nature being what it is, individuals will pool their votes together and vote en bloc, as this will have a higher reward ratio than as an individual. And a few grand barterings later, the realization will dawn that there is no need to hawk their votes at all, just simply elect themselves. And they will have a ready-made, fully-functioning money-making (hyphen) machine er, political party, ready to clean up in a big way by milking big mummy's big purse.

And then Tony Blair will come back and lead them.

And that would be too much and I'd have to kill myself.

And then kill you for suggesting the idea in the first place.

Is there such a thing as killing a Toffee? Toffee-cide perhaps? You see? It really wouldn't do at all. That would leave your team with only one other supporter.

And that would bring into material creation for the first time the well known Zen koan.... the sound of one supporter clapping....

http://www.messentools.com/images/emoticones/futbol/www.MessenTools.com-emoticones-soccer-futbol-090.gif

Any connection between Everton Football Club and satire is, er, entirely out of order. However richly merited. And I'll have you know that at least one of my daughters has shown signs of precisely the kind of mental impairment that has made her father's football-watching career so richly unfulfilled. Except, of course, for three years in the mid-1980s, and a very glorious night in Rotterdam in May 1985. But enough of mediocrity; and the incident with the Moluccan pimp.

Back to the topic at hand: Bungs for All!

Now there's a slogan that could unite a nation, and enliven an election or two.

What I have in mind is a Reggie Perrin-style Grot campaign, based upon maximum honesty - Vote for me, I'm a venal fool! - and minimum ethics. You pay, we legislate. In other words, the real world, but with a serious, reforming purpose.

Paul Rigby
03-16-2010, 11:02 PM
I have been giving the idea serious consideration in the bath. I provisionally favour the title of the “Brown Envelope Party,” or the BEP, for short, if only from the point of view of sowing confusion (British Empire Party, that sort of echo.) Brown envelopes are not merely the time-honoured means of conveying the universally welcome backhander, but also frequently used for postal votes, which are, it almost goes without saying, a fertile source of fraud. And thus our friend.

I hasten to point out that I remain open to offers – preferably in the form of used notes of low denomination – and that any corporation, arms manufacturer, or intelligence bureaucracy with a bigger wedge will, of course, instantly acquire naming rights, however shifty or misleading. After all, in British and American politics, money has always been king, queen, and pretender. Let's celebrate that fact where all can see it.

Anyone interested in standing as a candidate for the proposed party most pass certain basic tests, chief among them, the ability to keep a straight face a la Blair while trousering the readies. Huge quantities of them. A certain kind of rhetorical absurdity is another prerequisite. Can you deliver speeches of this quality?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nxo0fS2VMM

If so, forget the BEP, BBC comedy needs you even more.

Keith Millea
03-16-2010, 11:05 PM
What I have in mind is a Reggie Perrin-style Grot campaign, based upon maximum honesty - Vote for me, I'm a venal fool! - and minimum ethics. You pay, we legislate. In other words, the real world, but with a serious, reforming purpose.

Yep,right out of the Wavy Gravy playbook(or should I say"Saint Misbehavin'); :flute:

He started campaigning on behalf of Nobody for President ("Nobody's Perfect, Nobody Keeps All Promises, Nobody Should Have That Much Power");
http://www.wavygravy.net/bio/images/bio4.jpg
In

Paul Rigby
03-16-2010, 11:16 PM
Yep,right out of the Wavy Gravy playbook(or should I say"Saint Misbehavin'); :flute:

Hate to appear ignorant, Keith, but didn't Nobody win in '76? Good old Jimmy, the Establishment's "Anybody-but-EMK" candidate.

Keith Millea
03-16-2010, 11:35 PM
Hate to appear ignorant, Keith, but didn't Nobody win in '76? Good old Jimmy, the Establishment's "Anybody-but-EMK" candidate.

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Mark Stapleton
03-17-2010, 01:00 AM
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-7797-0-15-15--.html

When the Supreme Court decided the case 'Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, henceforth allowing corporate soft money to to influence US elections, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) cynically opined that it would lead to the election of the "congressmen from Wal-Mart. Turns out, he may be right.

Meet Murray Hill, Inc., the first corporation to run for Congress in the US........

So which corporation would you vote for??????? What a lovely choice there will be!:ahhhhh:

Frankly, I applaud the idea.

Cut out the pretense and the middlemen, I say. Let those high paid lobbyists go and get a job. If they were digging ditches or sweeping streets at least they would be contributing something.

How will they work out all the perks if Murray Hill Inc. becomes President? Who would be the first lady?

Magda Hassan
03-17-2010, 01:03 AM
How will they work out all the perks if Murray Hill Inc. becomes President? Who would be the first lady?
Well, the first lady is meant to be a perk anyway. Along with second ladies and interns etc. I imagine the first lady will be a subsidiary of Murray Hill Inc. Second ladies and interns are usually outsourced.

Magda Hassan
03-17-2010, 01:14 AM
...Brown envelopes are not merely the time-honoured means of conveying the universally welcome backhander...

Do you use brown envelopes in the UK? I think some one is underpaying you. In Oz we have to have brown paper bags. Bloody great big ones chockablock full of baksheesh and still enough room for a sandwich.

Mark Stapleton
03-17-2010, 01:58 AM
I imagine the first lady will be a subsidiary of Murray Hill Inc.

Ughh! Wouldn't that be the corporate equivalent of being wedded to one's offspring?

No, if corporations assume all the characteristics of people, couldn't Murray Hill Inc marry an attractive young company in order to enhance its new career path?

I don't trust corporations who remain single. They could be gay.

Magda Hassan
03-17-2010, 02:07 AM
I imagine the first lady will be a subsidiary of Murray Hill Inc.

Ughh! Wouldn't that be the corporate equivalent of being wedded to one's offspring?

No, if corporations assume all the characteristics of people, couldn't Murray Hill Inc marry an attractive young company in order to enhance its career path?

I don't trust corporations who remain single. They could be gay.
Hey, what's wrong with a family business? But I suppose you are right, at least if Murray Hill Inc is the parent company. That would be wrong. I suppose it would have to be a merger then with an fully independent stand alone company/spouse. And not a hostile take over either.

David Guyatt
03-17-2010, 10:14 AM
I favour the idea greatly.

By a strange coincidence I have a whole stack of pre-stuffed brown envelopes (now sadly empty) that I borrowed from my old bank when I left. So I'm ready to go.

I can also make speeches in the desired fashion, which must be a plus to my candidacy. There are not many things I can remember at my age, but my sort code, account number, and procedure for depositing large bundles of low denomination banknotes remain as sharp as ever.

I'm less fastidious when it comes to dribbling down my tie or dripping gravy on my lapels, nor adjusting my garments properly when returning from a visit to the pre and post prandial drinking excess relief closet. So I should be in excellent company should I ever be elevated to the higher House - that "other" place, where old cocks hang out.

I am also able to pontificate on almost any subject, quite endlessly and tediously, in fact, which is an essential qualification. And I know many excellent restaurants and bars in close proximity to the House.

I commend myself to the House.

Peter Presland
03-17-2010, 07:13 PM
How will they work out all the perks if Murray Hill Inc. becomes President? Who would be the first lady?
Well, the first lady is meant to be a perk anyway. Along with second ladies and interns etc. I imagine the first lady will be a subsidiary of Murray Hill Inc. Second ladies and interns are usually outsourced.
(my emphasis)
Yet another coffee-spluttering moment! :laugh:

Paul Rigby
03-21-2010, 06:33 AM
I favour the idea greatly.

By a strange coincidence I have a whole stack of pre-stuffed brown envelopes (now sadly empty) that I borrowed from my old bank when I left. So I'm ready to go.

I can also make speeches in the desired fashion, which must be a plus to my candidacy. There are not many things I can remember at my age, but my sort code, account number, and procedure for depositing large bundles of low denomination banknotes remain as sharp as ever.

May I call you "Stephen"?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/21/mps-targeted-undercover-sting

MPs targeted in undercover sting over cash for influence

Former ministers said to have been caught on camera by journalists

Anushka Asthana and Toby Helm

The Observer, Sunday 21 March 2010


A group of MPs, including former ministers, have been targeted in an elaborate sting operation in which journalists set up a bogus lobbying company and offered to pay them in return for political influence.

Among the politicians approached was Stephen Byers, the former cabinet minister and arch-Blairite, who was filmed describing himself as a "bit like a sort of cab for hire". He offered to trade Westminster contacts for £3,000 to £5,000 a day…

Byers told her he had saved hundreds of millions of pounds for National Express through his contact with Lord Adonis, the transport minister, and had influenced food labelling proposals for Tesco after phoning Lord Mandelson, the business secretary. The MP said that his friendship with Mandelson was one of his "trump cards".

Pure class. Now, can we find enough candidates of similar probity to give them a run for their bungs? It's a tall order, and a fierce battle lies ahead. Nevertheless, I have every confidence the BEP (Belize Educational Project) is up to the job, the first of which will probably involve a bank. Taxi!

Paul Rigby
03-21-2010, 07:06 AM
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18247

Tony Blair's Secret Deal with a Multinational Oil Giant

by Jason Groves

Blair's Fight to Keep His Oil Cash Secret: Former PM's Deals Are Revealed As His Earnings Since 2007 Reach £20 Million


Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker said: 'These revelations show that our former Prime Minister is for sale - he is driven by making as much money as possible.

'I think many people will find it deeply insensitive that he is apparently cashing in on his contacts from the Iraq war to make money for himself.'

Here at the BEP, Mr Baker, we find your naivety offensive, and your moralising wearisome. Mr Blair is a perfectly normal and respectable Anglo-American war-criminal who engineered wars for personal gain, and then started a religious foundation. What could be more logical or fitting?

Truth to tell, the Supreme Court ruling in the US represented the law belatedly catching up with reality.

Peter Presland
03-21-2010, 08:07 AM
My last post was in haste having done a - by now near routine - coffee spluttering at one of Magda's posts whilst scanning new posts without paying proper attention - a bit preoccupied with other stuff right now.

I have only just taken time out to read the whole thread and it is a corker. I think PR and DG should form a partnership to write a new u-t-d Monty Python series - with the odd snippets thrown in from others here.

It's bloody hilarious. A real tonic. Thanks Guys and Gals

David Guyatt
03-21-2010, 08:57 AM
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Paul Rigby
03-21-2010, 09:36 AM
According to Sir Reginald Pike-Darkness, in his definitive The Bung in History: Illicit Lolly and the Rise of the Klepto-democracy (London: Anthony Gland, 1989), the secret of a happy society is an entirely corrupt one; and at the heart of any well-ordered state lies a civil service whose highest echelons find nothing remotely odd or questionable about ministers demanding modifications in proposed legislation which obviously favour big business. Quite so.

Let’s hear it, then, for those nameless men and women who also serve (the Klepto-democracy, that is) by doing the necessary when a figure such as “Minty Feltch”* gets on the blower.

*The fictional New Labour fixer and eminence grise so vividly brought to life in Pike-Darkness’ novel of the Blair years, Greasing the Pole (London: Anthony Gland, 2003), which won the Disreali Prize for political fiction that same year. John Rentoul, the New Labour cheer-leader writing in the Indie, described Pike-Darkness's magnum opus as "simply vile...and quite probably actionable." I can think of no higher commendation.